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Dukes to DL?

Welcome back to the blog. Let's start with some news.

The team hasn't made this official yet, but GM Jim Bowden told me that it looks like Elijah Dukes will be headed to the disabled list "either today or tomorrow." He had an MRI on his calf injury this morning, and he'll need further time to recover -- more than originally thought. Chances are that the team will use this as a chance to promote Garrett Mock back from Class AAA Columbus; he'll be the seventh arm in the bullpen.

Mock pitched 2-1/3 innings yesterday for the Clippers, allowing one run.

Dukes, meanwhile, has appeared in just two games since returning from a month-long absence while recovering from a right knee injury. He sustained the latest setback in Saturday night's game against Cincinnati.

By Chico Harlan  |  August 6, 2008; 6:21 PM ET
 
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we kept being told that dukes's injury was "minor" and he was "day-to-day." now from day-to-day to DL? the lerners need to fire this team's medical staff.

Posted by: natsscribe | August 6, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

got newposted ...
--------------------------------
"Let La Russa keep watching Aaron Miles at 2d, who is 3-28 in his last 10 games. "


Psst, Flynnie ... FLop is 4-27 in his last 9 games.

I can almost guarantee you that if FLop is still with them, the Cardinals will almost be eliminated from the playoff race by this time next month ...

Posted by: e | August 6, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we could put him on the DL today, so we can, you know, at least try to have a full 25 man roster available for Manny tomorrow?

Posted by: Offense/offensive | August 6, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I can almost quote the first report from the training staff after Dukes pulled up lame. The tv crew said that they were being told that Dukes hit himself in the calf with the bat and that it was a very minor situation.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 6, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

newposted:
per Ken Rosenthal, who must enjoy a job where one can publicly ponder speculation on the job security of others:

"Some who know John Hart say that the former Indians and Rangers general manager is thinking about pursuing a third stint as a GM. Hart, in his third season as a senior advisor with the Rangers, could be a candidate for potential openings with the Mariners and Nationals, among other clubs. He was not immediately available for comment."

Posted by: nat in beantown | August 6, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Worst training staff in the business.

Posted by: No doubt | August 6, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

of AG, Guz, and Zim (the remaining "day-to-day" folks, I wonder who else is likely headed for the DL? Chico mentions Guz is "very close" to coming back, but that's been the status for over a week now...

Posted by: nat in beantown | August 6, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Chico,

Take the week off from game duty....we will watch the games, you can do some reporting on the medical staff.....just write it up like you did for Lenny Harris, we can do the opinion stuff based on the facts you write. I want to know what the medical staff does in these cases, step by step until 10 days letter it is DL time…..time after time.

Posted by: JayB | August 6, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Chico, then tell us what the Post Tech people do....this still sucks.

Posted by: JayB | August 6, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Last time on this topic (sorry to go on)

295 - I added up the innings wrong on Bergmann. You are right - 130 so far, not 140. As for the load stress, don't forget this is only his 2d year the bulk of his appearances are as a starter (converted in 2006) and that he was injured last year.

Balester, by the way, seems fine - on target for about 170 innings total. 140 in 2006, 150 in 2007.

I expect they'll do the right thing and begin to limit the innings of Lannan and probably Bergmann by shutting them down or going to a 6 man rotation, and that we will see Mock, Clippard, and Zimmermann get their shots in September.

But really, isn't this one of the more pleasant, unexpected topics - are our starters throwing too many innings this season?

Posted by: PTBNL | August 6, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Yes, maybe he was 4-27, but he wasn't treated with the dignity and respect that everyone, from the manager to the lowliest employee, gets at Arbie's, I mean, St. Louis. An he is La Russa's man of the hour at 2d now. We got played!

Did you never listen to Ken Beatrice? Yourrrrrre next on Sportstalk!

Posted by: flynnie | August 6, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Chico, I mostly try to refrain from telling you your business, but I'd like to know to what extent this injury is maybe a result of Elijah pushing himself too hard in rehab, and possibly weakening the calf? Is it the same leg as the knee injury, or the other one? Regardless, is it a freak thing or is it the result of a player not being sufficiently supervised by the medical staff?

Sorry to see him go, especially since I think another month or two of solid production would have solidified his starter's job next year.

Posted by: Highway 295 Revisited | August 6, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

295-Same leg.

Posted by: flynnie | August 6, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

You guys need to chill out on Lopez. I think he is going to suck just as bad in a Cardinal uniform as he did in a Nats uniform. Let's move on.

The large quantity of injuries, however, is disturbing and frustrating. The rash of injuries this team has experienced is really remarkable. I'm not sure of the stats, but it certainly does seem like more than past years. Could it be a result of the training staff? Could it be that Bowden has a knack for acquiring injury-prone players? Does it seem worse because of the losing? Not sure, but something needs to be done about it - before 2009 preferably.

Posted by: Patty | August 6, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Our medical staff sucks.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 6, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

@flynnie,

That was "SportsCall." And if Mock is coming up, Manny please use him as the long man in the pen. Give him stints of 2-3 innings when possible. Both to give him experience facing major league hitters and to cut down on appearances by "Gasoline Alley" Ayala.

Posted by: leetee1955 | August 6, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

*Pant* *Pant* Must sign all draft picks!!!! *Gasp* *Drool*

Here's the checkbook kid, write it for whatever you want.

I don't think so.

Posted by: Really | August 6, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

There is a reason the Marlins and Rays are winning games with young players... THEY SIGN THEIR PICKS! It's called an investment. If you aren't going to spend on talent you invest in the future. There is no option D, done of the above.

Posted by: natrat | August 6, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

I believe it was "We will build through the draft and acquiring young talent." not "We will sign every draft pick every year regardless of any other considerations." But maybe that's just me?

Posted by: Huh? | August 6, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

JayB, what exactly did you expect to see different here? And why the need to insult the Post tech staff? Chico can now post again. Your comments are showing up. It's all good.

Posted by: misschatter | August 6, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm also tired of "day-to-day" turning into DL stints about 85% of the time. Guess the same thing will happen to Guz and Gonzalez.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 6, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait for all the built up posts do descend from the "new and improved" message board servers that are holding them right now (and all the duplicate posts resulting from it).

Heh.

Posted by: It'll be a party! | August 6, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

"Day-to-Day"=Dl 85% of the time.

This sucks.

Say goodbye to Gonzalez.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 6, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Willie Harris gets some love:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/43898-willie-harris-is-the-washington-nationals-mvp

Posted by: natsfan1a | August 6, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Oh, they fixed the clock...

Never mind...

Posted by: Emily Latella | August 6, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Chico isn't gonna tell you jack about Dukes's injury, He won't even acknowledge the speculation that Dmitri is in rehab.

Posted by: Carl Williams | August 6, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

So the post techies spend 27 hours on upgrades and the end result is that our post-times are a half hour later.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 6, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

How come the times of the posts are in the future?

Posted by: TimDz | August 6, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

@flynnie,

jimbow probably asked for albert pujols and a prospect for flop. the nats desperately need to get rid of the clown prince of general managers.

Posted by: natsscribe | August 6, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

All these DLs compute to GLs.

Posted by: SC Nats Fan | August 6, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

@flynnie,

jimbow probably asked the cardinals for albert pujols and a prospect for flop. the nats desperately need to rid themselves of the clown prince of general managers.

Posted by: natsscribe | August 6, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

The board is trying to reset itself and is now posting comments in real time, meaning that some earlier posts are now BELOW the most recent entries.

Posted by: leetee1955 | August 6, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Chico,

Can you provide an update on the our unsigned draft picks? Nine days left and wondering where we are with Crow? Thanks.

Posted by: phillip | August 6, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

And last night RISP=RIP.

Posted by: flynnie | August 6, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

I gotta believe there is some brinksmanship going on with the Aaron Crow negotiations... It might look bad for the Nats not to sign a number one pick, but it is a costly choice for a draft pick to walk away from a market offer, unless you have some other irons in the fire, and in that case, you would assume that the Nats knew about his other options before they drafted him.

Eleventh hour... remember what happened with McGeary last season.

(Kasten's comments are probably posturing...)

Posted by: Wigi | August 6, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

either we have the most completely inept medical staff in all of sports, or we've got some lying, Alwasy-Spinning-PR bastards in our front office.

or both.

Posted by: MrMadison | August 6, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

the time stamps are fixed, but the comments are going to mix together until after 7:46 PM when they straighten out. Frankly, if that's the only kink after that massive of a data migration (all blogs and comments) and upgrade which was back online before the stated time, I just feel sympathy for the staff that had to stay awake through the night working 30 hours straight so you all could start whining about timestamps and not realize that this massive undertaking was successful and not down a week or something.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 6, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

carl, why would a beat reporter "acknowledge speculation?" that's not his job, his job is to report facts. if you've got any "facts" out there you think he's missing, feel free to point them out. speculation is left to columnists (which we seem to have few, if any, who report on baseball here at the post) and bloggers.

295, i completely agree with you that 200ip is quite normal and is actually the right target for experienced pitchers. and 200+ is where we want to aim for.

*but*

pitchers have to build up to 200+ ip. bergmann needs to hit 175 for a season before he aims for 200.

Posted by: 231 | August 6, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

The best Chico will be able to tell you is that Crow is unsigned. Any "status" given out by either side will be lies. Sort of like the VP-pick statements by Obama and McCain. Until something actually happens, most everyone who knows anything will lie, and most everyone who don't know anything will keep on pontificating.

Posted by: SF Fan | August 6, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather get paid 4.9 mil to stay at home than play left field... where I am starting tonight.

Posted by: FLop | August 6, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Dukes's recurring nagging leg problems this year have got to be a concern. Have we got another Alex Escobar on our hands?

Of course, a competent medical staff, if we had one, would go a long way to allaying those concerns.

Posted by: CapPeterson | August 6, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

This entire season has been a FLop. The training staff has to be fired. I have never seen so many people get hurt before playing a non contact sport. Maybe instead of focusing on prospects we should focuse on DURABLE prospects.

FLop playing for St louis is embarrassing that we could not even get a Single A player for him.

I would think that trader Jim and the trainers should be gone after this season

Posted by: Felipe Lopez | August 6, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone expects them to sign every draft pick. But the expectations that the team will sign most, if not all, of their HIGH draft picks rests on management's shoulders. They are the ones who keep telling us to be patient while they build a winning major league team through the minor leagues via the draft and signing international talent, rather than signing free agents. If they want us to be patient, then they need to follow through and sign the players they drafted (especially the high draft picks, where presumably the most talent is). That doesn't mean signing them at any cost, but I find it hard to believe that all of the players' demands are so outrageous that they cannot get a deal done. Kasten's comments are definitely posturing, so I'll wait to pass judgment until August 16 rolls around.

Posted by: PJ | August 6, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Kasten: Nats not likely to sign all picks
08/05/2008 9:57 PM ET
By Bill Ladson / MLB.com

DENVER -- Of the Nationals' top five picks in the 2008 First-Year Player Draft, four of them -- right-hander Aaron Crow, shortstop Daniel Espinosa, left-hander Graham Hicks and catcher Adrian Nieto -- are unsigned.
Major League teams have until Aug. 15 to sign players taken in the Draft.

Destin Hood, a second-round pick, signed with Washington on July 17 and will make a total of $1.1 million over the next five years. That sum of money is considered to be a little over the baseball slotting system, when it comes to second-round picks.

Nationals president Stan Kasten acknowledged on Tuesday that the team most likely will not sign all of its top picks. Kasten declined to say which players he felt were unsignable. However, late last week, general manager Jim Bowden said negotiations with Crow, the Nats' top pick, weren't going well. Crow is represented by advisor J.D. Smart, who works for the Hendricks brothers. Smart was not available for comment.

The Nationals feel that Crow's salary should be similar to what pitcher Ross Detwiler received. Detwiler, the team's first-round pick in 2007, received a $2.15 million signing bonus.

"The Crow case is a little interesting. In some respects, that decision is easier than all. It's kind of pretty well determined," Kasten said. "We know what the Chad Corderos, the Ryan Zimmermans, the Chris Marreros and the Ross Detwilers received. We know what their value is. We know what the No. 10 pick [in the first round] is already getting. The feeling is, [regarding Crow] it's between No. 10 this year and what Detwiler's contract was. That's the appropriate value. It's fairly easy to figure out."

Kasten said the organization will have an idea by next week on who it will sign before the deadline. Overall, the Nationals have signed 25 out of their 50 picks thus far.

"I'm sure we'll sign some more of our picks, but I don't think we will sign all of them, but we will try," Kasten said. "We studied this pretty carefully. We decide the value that we place on prospects. That's the No. 1 consideration. Sometimes it's more than Major League Baseball's recommendations, sometimes it's less than the recommendations.

"It still comes down to what value we place on guys. And to determine that value, we pay close attention to the market activity and comparable signings. We are just not going to pay something ... because extraneous voices decide, 'Well, this is what I decide I have to have.' We are not going to do that."

If the Nationals are unable to sign their top Draft picks, the money slotted for them would most likely go toward signing young players outside the United States.

In fact, Kasten told the Nationals' board of directors right after the Draft that the team would most likely not sign most of its picks like it did last year. He told them it would be similar to the 2006 Draft, when the team didn't sign four of its first 12 picks, including left-hander Sean Black, its second-round pick.

This year's Draft is in sharp contrast to last year's for the Nationals. In 2007, the Nationals signed their first 20 picks. They even went over the slotting system to sign pitcher Jack McGeary, a sixth-round pick who signed first-round money.

"[The 2008] Draft felt like one of those years where we wouldn't sign all of our top picks, which is like a normal year. Last year was an aberration," Kasten said. "This Draft has felt [different] to me, because of the kind of guys we drafted and some of their circumstances, and I think that's how it's playing out.

"Last year, we were among the leaders in amateur signing bonuses. We are prepared to do that this year, but we are not going to do unreasonable contracts."

Posted by: flynnie | August 6, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Commenting insanity! This time stamp issue is completely messing with my head.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 6, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

As I've noted in the past, I share the concerns voiced by others about injuries and roster management. Specifically, I wonder whether Dukes might have been brought back too soon for his own good?

Posted by: natsfan1a | August 6, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

From Kristen at We've Got Heart:

Stan says despite allowing Jim to throw away 13.5 million dollars this year on players that have been released, the organization won’t be able to find the cash to sign our draft picks. The Nats fall far behind other teams in locking up draft choices this season. Their only achievement was talking Hood out of football and into a Nats jersey. The plan says we can’t spend on free agents, and apparently, now we can’t spend on draft picks. The only thing we can spend on? Discounted players past their prime.

Congrats to Felipe Lopez for finding a new home with the St. Louis Cardinals. GM John Mozeliak said they considered picking up Lopez BEFORE the deadline but nothing came of it.

Posted by: flynnie | August 6, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

*shrug*

on 8/16, i'll worry about it. today? eh. just people looking for things to b1tch about so they have another reason to claim the sky is falling.

Posted by: 231 | August 6, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

From The nationals Enquirer: The Plan's A Sham! "I'm sure we'll sign some more of our picks, but I don't think we will sign all of them, but we will try."
(Stan Kasten, via Nationals dot com, 8/5/2008)

Sounds like the Lerners won't be holding up their end of the bargain, Nationals fans.

Still 10 days to go to sign the remaining 2008 draft picks, but it seems like there's no StanSpeak Translator necessary here, folks, and it's doubtful they're using the media as a negotiation channel. Time to say goodbye to top pick Aaron Crow...and maybe the remaining unsigned top picks...?

Posted by: flynnie | August 6, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Thank you very much for the courteous and informative reply, Mr./Ms. Post Tech Support Person. :)

"the time stamps are fixed, but the comments are going to mix together until after 7:46 PM when they straighten out. Frankly, if that's the only kink after that massive of a data migration (all blogs and comments) and upgrade which was back online before the stated time, I just feel sympathy for the staff that had to stay awake through the night working 30 hours straight so you all could start whining about timestamps and not realize that this massive undertaking was successful and not down a week or something."

Posted by: Anonymous | August 6, 2008 7:33 PM

Posted by: the customers | August 6, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Ok. guys. let's decide once and for all.

Either Jim asks for too much (Soriano in 06, Cordero in 07, Lopez in 08) or he doesnt ask for enough (Rauch in 08.)

Obviously everyone has the right to their belief that he needs to be replaced, but lets dont beat him from both directions.

Posted by: All 9000 Agree | August 6, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Couple things:

1. Regarding Dukes' injury and the "day-to-day" to DL crew: Nobody in any major sports league gives the total picture about injuries. I'm pretty sure that hockey teams are the most secretive (saying someone has an "upper body" injury that turns out to be a fractured fibula or some such nonsense), but all teams attempt to keep injuries under wraps. It is possible that Dukes came back too soon and aggravated the calf because of his knee issue. However, trainers are not psychics. If a guy says he is good, and doesn't show indications of pain in his rehab, then what is the team to do?

2. Regarding FLop catching on with the Cards: I don't buy the Cards GM saying that he tried to do something at the deadline, but nothing came of it. Nobody was going to offer a single thing for any of the three guys the Nats dropped, because they were awful here. Chances were, the Nats were going to release these guys, and they did.

3. Regarding the Nats picks, not signing them and the Plan: I'm sure there is a lot of posturing going on on both sides of all of those negotiations. However, if they don't sign Crow, they will likely get a comp pick in the top 10 next year. So, they'll have the first pick and the 10th pick. I understand that seems to go against the plan, but it would also set a poor precedent if the Nats just throw money at guys and give them whatever they want.

Posted by: Cavalier | August 6, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

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