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Gonzalez to DL; Boone reinstated

The Nationals might not be able to halt their losing streak today, but at least now they'll have the power of 25 men when they try. Today's transaction deepens the Nats' bench, replacing Alberto Gonzalez with Aaron Boone.

The official swap:

Aaron Boone is back from the DL.

Alberto Gonzalez, who hasn't played in 10 days because of a left glut contusion, will be placed on the DL retroactive to August 5.

Now, today's lineups

New York

J. Reyes - 6
A. Reyes - 4
Wright - 5
Delgado - 3
Beltran - 8
Murphy - 7
Tatis - 9
Schneider - 2
Perez - 1

Washington

Bonifacio - 4
Guzman - 6
Zimmerman - 5
Milledge - 8
Kearns - 9
Flores - 2
Belliard - 3
Harris - 7
Balester - 1

By Chico Harlan  |  August 14, 2008; 3:27 PM ET
 
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Oh thank heaven, he's moved down a spot.

Posted by: No longer 4th | August 14, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see kearns out of the 4 hole. I like milledge there a lot better, i'd rather see flores hitting in the 5 hole though. We'll see how things progress.

Posted by: VT Nats Fan | August 14, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Since nobody cares about our craptastic lineup, does anyone want to guess the ration of Nats fans to Mets fans?

Last night it appeared that there was 1 Nats fan for every 2 or 3 Mets fans. I, for one, won't be going back tonight and I could easily see the place being 75% blue and orange.

On a related note, anyone want to predict the season ticket dropoff next year? The Lerners are not going to like the results of this debacle...

Posted by: 12-0 | August 14, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Since he's back, can't we have Boone at first? I like Belly, I really do, but his receiving skills are not on par with...well...anyone that could play first. Meat did a better job handling throws.

Posted by: Section 138 | August 14, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

got newposted...

"It would be a good choice to make Bergmann "face his demons" if you had a team like Boston that can come back from giving up 12 runs to win 19-17."

You think it matters if we win that game? Wow.

Posted by: mrm0to | August 14, 2008 3:26 PM
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I’ll also point out the fact that the eight-run inning had zero bearing on the outcome of the game. It’s the perfect chance to let Bergmann work himself out real-time, because he would have ended up with an L even if he had pitched an eight-inning, one-run gem. Keeping the run total down is a lot more of an issue in a back-and-forth nailbiter (like that Texas/Boston game) than a shutout, where you’re doomed either way.

Posted by: 3434 | August 14, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

got newposted...

"It would be a good choice to make Bergmann "face his demons" if you had a team like Boston that can come back from giving up 12 runs to win 19-17."

You think it matters if we win that game? Wow.

Posted by: mrm0to | August 14, 2008 3:26 PM
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I’ll also point out the fact that the eight-run inning had zero bearing on the outcome of the game. It’s the perfect chance to let Bergmann work himself out real-time, because he would have ended up with an L even if he had pitched an eight-inning, one-run gem. Keeping the run total down is a lot more of an issue in a back-and-forth nailbiter (like that Texas/Boston game) than a shutout, where you’re doomed either way.

Posted by: 3434 | August 14, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

argh! sorry for the double post!

Posted by: 3434 | August 14, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

3434, that's ok on the double post. I for one agreed with it the first time, and then I read it again, and I still agreed with it.

There's a fundamental difference, I think in both approach and conclusion between fans who think it matters that we lost 12-0 last night and fans who think it's much more important that Bonifacio drew two walks.

Posted by: Highway 295 Revisited | August 14, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Right! Just imagine how many walks Bonifacio might have had if he had been facing Bergmann!

Posted by: Bob L. Head | August 14, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Are Manny and the rest of the oaching staff. ith the possible exception of the Saint, sleepwalking through this part of the season or do I just think that because I'm tired?

If we're going to bring Boone back, a debateable strategy at best, why the heck aren't we playing him at first.

Belli, bless his heart, ranks right up there with the worst I've seen at the postion (Dr Strange Glove Stuart, erstwhile of the Pirates, comes to mind, although the Phillis had a slugger [name escapes me] who was positioned at first who drew pictures in the dirt.) Belli pays attention but he is severely linmited. He is a competitor but his footwork is so screwed up I can't believe he's been coached at all by the sleepwalking staff.

Oh well, maybe we'll get all flyball outs with a liberal number of Ks sprikled in.

Let's sign some draft choices and because I stll have hope...

Let's play two!

Posted by: SlowPitch63 | August 14, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"[A]nyone want to predict the season ticket dropoff next year?"

I do. It'll be nonexistent and the season ticket base may actually increase. Optimism is eternal in baseball and now that people know you can actually drive to the game and find a reasonable parking space I'd imagine it'll be easier to convince people to buy 20-gamers at least.

You may even see some price cuts in some sections (especially in those areas where you can't, you know, see the scoreboard) and deals similar to the Weekender from the beginning of the season.

As for last night's game, every team gets destroyed every now and then. I'm pretty sure (translation - I'm too lazy to research) that the Nats have shelled everyone in the division once this season except Florida.

I know it's blog comments where neither cost nor thought is a barrier to entry, but let's not overreact, eh?

Posted by: Not Really Stan Kasten | August 14, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone explain why Manny is so reluctant to move Flores - his best RBI man - higher in the lineup? Granted, Milledge will probably be better at No. 4 than Kearns but Flores is hitting SIXTH. I just don't get it. Also, while I hate Belliard at first I guess one of the team's "power" guys has to play somewhere. Is this season over yet?

Posted by: leetee1955 | August 14, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

is anyone else worried about the lack of visibility lately of stantheplanman? kasten's been publicly seen and heard from as often as daniel snyder. maybe he's as PO'ed as the fans are and realizes it's going to take more than words to keep this team's fan base intact.

Posted by: natsscribe | August 14, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

sp63: Willie Montanez.

My guess is that Boone's back as a right-handed bat off the bench, and may not be healthy enough yet for a full game in the field.

Posted by: joebleux | August 14, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

2009 Season ticket drop predictions:

If deposite is due between now and NOV 1, it will be down 30-40%.

If the deposite is due between NOV 1 and FA signings, it will be 20-30%.

If the deposite is due after FA signings and they sign 1+ legit FA's, it will be 15%.

If the deposite is due after FA signings and they sign no one and try the same thing they are doing this year, it will be 40+%.

The only reason I do not think it will be higher is that a lot of businesses own season tickets and will keep them. The company I work for has 8-10 seats. But the bottom line is it will drop. They will also spin it and we will never know the true drop in season tickets for 2009.

Posted by: Lenny Harris Must Go | August 14, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

There's a fundamental difference, I think in both approach and conclusion between fans who think it matters that we lost 12-0 last night and fans who think it's much more important that Bonifacio drew two walks.

Posted by: Highway 295 Revisited | August 14, 2008 3:40 PM
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I think this nicely sums up a divide between two camps of commenters here, in terms of how they view the entire season.

Setting aside the silly screeds, be they opti- or pessimistic, there are plenty of people willing to advance perfectly valid arguments on both sides of the question of what we should expect (or at least hope for) over the next few seasons.

I believe that those who want wins from the big club will continue to be disappointed, because the people who run the team don't so much agree with them. Doesn't mean they're wrong; it just means they'll be perpetually disappointed.

Posted by: Scooter | August 14, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

You don't a see a blog called FireStanKasten.blogspot.com, do ya?

My momma raised ugly babies, not dumb ones.

I'll be more visible again in the offseason when hope is back on the menu.

Posted by: Not Really Stan Kasten | August 14, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

PS - If they increase ticket prices and/or parking add another 10% drop.

Posted by: Lenny Harris Must Go | August 14, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"They will also spin it and we will never know the true drop in season tickets for 2009."

Buck sez you're wrong.

Posted by: I Love Winning a Bet Because you Can't Prove a Negative | August 14, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

2009 Washington Nationals Lineup:

Bonifacio - 4
Guzman - 6
Zimmerman - 5
---------- - 3/9
Milledge - 8
Flores - 2
---------- - 3/9
Dukes - 7
Pitcher - 1


Tonight's Starting Lineup

Bonifacio - 4 (OK)
Guzman - 6 (OK)
Zimmerman - 5 (OK)
Milledge - 8 (Move to 5th)
Kearns - 9 (Replace)
Flores - 2 (OK)
Belliard - 3 (Replace)
Harris - 7 (Replace, prob DUKES)
Balester - 1

That's why the order is the way it is. Manny has been trying to make Kearns produce so he could keep Milledge in his spot for 2009, but it didn't work, so he caved and swapped them, but kept minimum movement in the lineup.

With these guys so young, Manny seems to want to have them learn hitting where they will be for the future, rather than keep them adjusting to new spots while at the same time learning to hit major league pitching.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | August 14, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

"Since nobody cares about our craptastic lineup, does anyone want to guess the ration of Nats fans to Mets fans?"

MMMMM . . . Rations!

Posted by: Dmitri | August 14, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

No, No, No, 506BM. Dukes #3, Zimmerman (or Johnson) #4, Flores #5 (or Zimmerman), 1B (or Flores) #6.

Leeteee - last time I checked, the two spots Flores has batted the most this year are 5 & 6. He's done much better at #6.

Posted by: PTBNL | August 14, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Pathetic Nats Stat of the Day, courtesy of SI.com:
"Nick Johnson leads the Nationals with 33 walks. Did I mention that Johnson has been on the disabled list since May 13? Nationals baseball: Embarrassing our nation's capital one day at a time."

Posted by: Matt | August 14, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Right! Just imagine how many walks Bonifacio might have had if he had been facing Bergmann!

Posted by: Hey-O! | August 14, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey, PTBNL, I'm totally with you on Dukes batting third. But Manny isn't. #4 they want for a big hitter that they're going to try to land in the off-season. And I think they ultimately see Milledge as a fifth batter, which is why he's going in there, too. It's not a lineup designed to win tonight is all I'm saying.

Flores does hit for a higher average sixth over fifth, but his slugging and OBP are almost the same:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=floreje02&year=2008#lineu-lineu

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | August 14, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me? It's time to sit Kearns and in all honesty the entire team. This is likea broken record!

Posted by: Carl Goldstein | August 14, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Section 506,
I think that's the first reasonable explanation I've read for the line ups. It may be wrong or it may be right but it makes sense. Thanks.

Scooter,
Good points.

Joebleux,
Thanks but I was thinking of someone even worse. Prepare for a posting at 3:00 am or so when his name pops unbidden into my dreams.

Let's play two!

Posted by: SlowPitch63 | August 14, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I also run like a catcher so it makes sense not to have me in front of a potential RBI guy until my power blossoms.

Posted by: Not Really Jesus Flores | August 14, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

The heck with Boone, what happened to playing Casto everyday at first base?

Posted by: Sec 317 | August 14, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I've actually been wondering whether Acta doesn't want to put pressure on the youngsters by batting them 3rd or 4th. (With Dukes and Milledge -- who, admittedly, has spent some time in those spots.) His idea would be that once a player sees his name in that slot, he expects a certain thing of himself, and Acta is trying to avoid that.

Does that sound plausible? Or have the kids batted 3rd and 4th lots of times, and I just wasn't paying enough attention?

(Note that I'm not saying I believe it's the right thing to do. I'm trying to determine whether Acta might be thinking that way.)

Posted by: Scooter | August 14, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I think for next year I'd prefer Milledge at the #2 spot and Guzzie back down in the #7 or 8 slot. Dukes needs to be #3, Zim #5 and Flores #6:

Boni - 4
Milledge - 8
Dukes - 9
???? - 3
Zim - 5
Flores - 2
???? - 7
Guzman - 6
Pitcher - 9

Posted by: e | August 14, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me? It's time to sit Kearns and in all honesty the entire team. This is likea broken record!

Posted by: Carl Goldstein | August 14, 2008 4:42 PM

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Yes! Let's sit the entire team! Since no one on the roster is really good enough to play major league baseball, let's just bench all 25 of them. Those little kids who get to run onto the field sometimes before Jerome announces the lineups can play instead.

Posted by: gimme a break | August 14, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Yes, because Flores, Milledge, Zimmerman, and Harris have been WAY worse than anyone we could bring up (and grab a 40 man roster spot, too). The ridiculous postings on here are getting... ridiculously ridiculous.
Quick, Carl Goldstein, who would you bring up, or start, after you bench all 8 guys? Or, did you not even really think about what you were proposing and just wanted to throw your crap up on the screen?
.........head about to 'splode!.........
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it's time to sit Kearns and in all honesty the entire team. This is likea broken record!

Posted by: Carl Goldstein | August 14, 2008 4:42 PM

Posted by: Section 138 | August 14, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey! That's right. Where the heck is Casto??

Posted by: NatsNut | August 14, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

IF we bench the entire team and allow little kids to play instead: 79.27% dropoff in the season ticket base.

The others won't come but will keep the tax deduction.

Posted by: Unifying the Various Threads | August 14, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Hey! That's right. Where the heck is Casto??

Posted by: NatsNut | August 14, 2008 4:53 PM

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Okay! Now that someone has noticed a regular isn't playing recently, the clock starts ticking. $20 says he has a mysterious injury within two days and is on the DL in a week and a half.

Posted by: GHE | August 14, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Guys,
My comments about sitting the team are from frustration. I have been an Expos fan since 1969. I have lived these teams for almost 40 years. Even my son laughs at the Nats!

Posted by: Carl Goldstein | August 14, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"Where the heck is Casto??"

Duh ...

Casto's on the bench with the rest of the guys at whom Carl's son is laughing.

Please try to keep up - I know it's tough, what with the the level of discourse here being so top-notch.

[I mean, really - it's not like the Mets' starter tonight is a lefty or anything crazy like that.]

Posted by: Unifying the Threads - the Saga Continues | August 14, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Carl, everyone here is frustrated. Mark Twain once said, "Everything human is pathetic. The secret source of humor itself is not joy but sorrow." At this point, what is there left for us to do but laugh? I can understand feeling frustrated, but I see no benefit in expressing or encouraging negativity.

Posted by: 3434 | August 14, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

sp63: hmmmm. I think Richie Allen also had a penchant for doodling in the dirt at first; don't remember how well he played the position (although, with his bat, who cared?)

Posted by: joebleux | August 14, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

someone needs to start a "LernersSellNats.com"

Posted by: Dagger | August 14, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

"someone needs to start a LernersSellNats.com"

We're ready when you are ... just post your credit card number here and we'll take care of it right away.

Posted by: Not Really Register.com | August 14, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Thread going on here whether the Lerners should be termed as cheap or not:

http://www.wnff.net/index.php/topic,9564.0.html

Posted by: Speaking of Lerners | August 14, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Today's August 14th, the anniversary of the death of Pee Wee Reese, Captain of the Brooklyn Dodgers who befriended and put his arm around Jackie Robinson when Jackie was being heckled. From Roger Kahn's "Into My Own" (available in paperback):

"He died [of cancer at age 81] on August 14, 1999, a good day to play a little hardball. ... Anywhere a white and black work side by side in friendship, Pee Wee is there. Where one finds humanity and kindness and humor and love, the captain is surely there as well. For all the torment that besets America, there is something profoundly right with a country that can produce a Pee Wee Reese."

Posted by: flynnie | August 14, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Worth a read in the Washington Times: Dick Heller: Kahn recalls stories of summer
Dick Heller
Thursday, August 14, 2008

Posted by: flynnie | August 14, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Manny has no fire, is a slave to pitch counts, is complacent and is a horrific game manager. He's a nice guy though and ownership is also complacent so he's our guy.

Posted by: Rick.Felt | August 14, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Sure, I'd answer if the Nats called.

*snicker*

Posted by: Not Really Frank Robinson | August 14, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Heh, I wouldn't want to hear what some people might say about *those* lineups.

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Those little kids who get to run onto the field sometimes before Jerome announces the lineups can play instead.

Posted by: Little League Mom | August 14, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Manny is a slave to pitch counts because he either has to trot out there young kids that haven't spent enough time in the minors building up their arm strength or retread veterans that are coming off injuries or ineffectiveness throughout their entire career.

By all means, let's bring Frank back. He was one heckuva game manager ... I don't think he knew that you were allowed to make a double switch in the middle of an inning!

Posted by: e | August 14, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I don't usually engage mere assertions, but I can't let this notion get traction ... how do you square a charge of complacency with releasing and eating the contracts of three veterans after the deadline? Trading a serviceable closer/reliever and a young arm with upside for two young infielders with potential?

A complacent team just slogs along with the craptastic hand they've dealt themselves, no?

As for Manny's so-called "complacency," who besides bat-wing crazy Ozzie Guillen is that emotional AND currently managing a division leader? Even Piniella's mellowed.

Really ... there's already plenty to complain about with this team without just makin' stuff up.

Posted by: Complacent? Really? | August 14, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse


Thread going on here whether the Lerners should be termed as cheap or not:

http://www.wnff.net/index.php/topic,9564.0.html

Posted by: thanks but no thanks | August 14, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Steven's got a great second part of his interview with the guy from Baseball America, in which they talk about some of the guys we have down on the farm. I found it interesting and informative, you may want to check it out.

And for those of you retaining your firejimbowden.blogspot virginity, I have not seen any overt, uncalled for shots lately. Steven's all grown up!

Posted by: NattyDelite! | August 14, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

As for Manny's so-called "complacency," who besides bat-wing crazy Ozzie Guillen is that emotional AND currently managing a division leader? Even Piniella's mellowed.


So you agree with me that he's a garbage game manager? Nice to have some support. Charlie Manuel and Ned Yost btw. Maybe even Scioscia too. Oh, and just because Bobby Cox and Tony Larussa's teams aren't leading their divisions "currently," doesn't make them ineffective managers.

Posted by: Rick.Felt | August 14, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Yep, I finally meandered over to firejimbowden today as well and I have to admit, it appears that at least one leopard has been able to change his spots. Or at least, diversify them.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | August 14, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

What is this, sports talk radio takeover day??

Posted by: geez | August 14, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey everyone, let's change the karma. Blood drive at the ballpark Saturday! Maybe if a bunch of us give blood...um...the team won't get so many injuries. And BTW I don't like that sign "Sibley, where the Nationals go." Well, I hope not except maybe their wives to have babies.

Posted by: Section 109 | August 14, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Nats strengthen thier bench? Guzman just got scratched, Belliard to start at SS. chew on that for strong bench.

Posted by: Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball | August 14, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

New post up.

Posted by: natsfan1a | August 14, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

MLB.com has Belly @SS - 2nd, and Boone @1B - 7th. Slight upgrade @1B defensively while RZimm & Bonifacio will have to stretch it defensively tonight, unless Belly plays a short LF.

Posted by: BIM | August 14, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Also, Flores is a scratch with a stomach virus and Nieves will catch.

Posted by: natsfan1a | August 14, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

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