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Guzman Back, and the Other 17 Starters

Wanted to get you these lineups once they came out...

Washington
Hernandez -- 4
Guzman -- 6
Zimmerman-- 5
Milledge -- 8
Belliard -- 3
Flores -- 2
Kearns -- 9
Harris -- 7
Redding -- 1

Philadelphia
Rollins -- 6
Werth -- 9
Utley -- 4
Howard -- 3
Burrell -- 7
Victorino -- 8
Feliz -- 5
Ruiz -- 2
Moyer -- 1

-- Zach Berman

By Chico Harlan  |  August 21, 2008; 3:39 PM ET
 
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Comments

First post?!?

Posted by: N@sfan | August 21, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Tell me Boni isn't day-to-hay. Tell me this is just because he can't hit the back side of a barn wall with his bat.

On second thought...I'll go with the former.

Posted by: NattyDelite! | August 21, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

austin powerless batting seventh? i'd be insulted if i was willie harris and had more home runs this season.

Posted by: natsscribe | August 21, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

and by day-to-hay I clearly mean that he must do a special workout pitching hay in order to build arm and core strength...

yeah, that was a stretch

Posted by: NattyDelite! | August 21, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Hallelujah. 25 players available. First time since July 25.

Posted by: Steven on Capitol Hill | August 21, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, has it gotten so bad that a terrible-hitting natural shortstop is now leading off and playing second over a non-hitting natural second baseman?

Posted by: John in Mpls | August 21, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

4 middle infielders in the lineup tonight...

Posted by: 756* | August 21, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

N@TSFAN R TEH WINNAR! A COOKEE 4 TEH 1RST POST!!!

BUT NO CHOKO CHIPZ CUZ HE WAZ UNCONFIDENT W TEH ????S

Posted by: WINNAR | August 21, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

In earlier posts people were talking about leadership. You wanna know who I think ought to show some leadership? Kasten & the Mark Lerner. I don't think I've missed anything, and I can't remember any significant statement they've made in weeks. I think they should rise to the occasion & give the team and the fans some realistic reason for hope in whatever time period they think is feasible, based on their plan. We need a Churchill or something. The players keep going out there every day--they deserve some leadership from the top. Manny has had to talk to the press after 12 consecutive losses. Other teams were terrible and are now good--give everyone some inspiration & hope that this will happen to us. I think it will, and I'll wait as long as it takes, but I think at the minute Kasten & Mark Lerner are not doing their jobs as leaders. Am I wrong?

Posted by: Section 109 | August 21, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

WINNAR, that was a very disturbing post...

Posted by: SF Fan | August 21, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

The Nats remind me of my softball team. Lots of second basemen and catchers. Not much else. Well maybe a few rightfielders with no pop in their bat too.

Posted by: ChrisC | August 21, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

John in Mpls - you did not see the memo? The Nats believe that it is sporting to concede the first out. That is why they bat their #8 hitter leadoff and their leadoff hitter #8.

If you took a mirror and reversed the top 8 positions in the order, how much worse would it be?

1) Harris
2) Kearns (takes pitches, walks, meh power)
3) Flores
4) Belliard (one our top OPS players!)
5) Milledge (did well hitting in this slot after the allstar break)
6) FotF (good place to work out his problems)
7) Guzman (a bit low, but not as bad as batting Harris 8)
8) WTH 2d (Whatshisname Thenon Hittinguyat 2d)

Posted by: PTBNL | August 21, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I take it we've grown tired of Mr. Bonifacio. Ryan Church, if well, would be the star of this team. For that matter, Endy Chavez would be a star of this team. I love Willie Harris, but he should not be the third best offensive threat on a major league club. And a lead off hitter with a terrible OBP is no use no matter how fast.

Posted by: Arkymark | August 21, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Ouch. Philly is SOOOOO much better than the Nats from top to bottom. Howard Utley and Burrell have more HR's than the entire Nats team.

Posted by: dh | August 21, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

True, Ryan Church, if well, would be a star on this team. As likely would

Nick Johnson
Elijah Dukes
Wily Mo Pena
Dmitri Young
Chad Cordero
Shawn Hill


If well.

Sixteen players from the 40-man have spent time on the DL this year. Is there any way to easily figure out how many player-games this team has lost to injury? Some of this is undoubtedly due to Bowden's fondness for retreads, but still, this has been an exceptionally bad year for injuries on this team. The Nats need to work with the 'Skins training staff - they have guys whose knees get scoped and are back on the practice field less than two weeks later. Nats players have a mild muscular strain and are out for a month.

Posted by: Tom Servo | August 21, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

They say you should not buy retreads, because they can blow-up and you drive over the cliff.

Posted by: CBinDC | August 21, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

PTBNL, I like your lineup almost as well as the current one, and definitely more than most that Manny has concocted this year. Kearns should bat 13th, however... With any other team, Zim would (and should)be batting 6th at this stage of his career.
The fast leadoff guy with no OBP is such a huge problem that I cannot believe the concept still exists in the minds of baseball professionals.

Posted by: cat daddy | August 21, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

"The Nats need to work with the 'Skins training staff - they have guys whose knees get scoped and are back on the practice field less than two weeks later. Nats players have a mild muscular strain and are out for a month."

Big difference between baseball and football players when it comes to injury recovery. Baseball players have a game every day, and coming back to play a game is a lot different than coming back to practice. Football players play once a week and can take it easy in practice if need be. Once in the game, many football players have a much more limited role than a baseball player does, who has to field, bat and run. The football player might just be rushing the passer or blocking, which can be done without full range of motion or with a lingering ache and pain from a not-quite-healed injury. In contrast, a thumb injury like Guzman has can affect one aspect of his game but not others, but he still needs to sit out because to play means he has to be able to hit, run AND field.

Posted by: can you say apples and oranges? | August 21, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

@apples and oranges: then what's your excuse for hockey players who play every other night with all manner of sprains and strains and often times broken bones?

Posted by: Scott in Shaw | August 21, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Blame Canada! (Sorry Expos lurkers).

Posted by: @ Scott | August 21, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Everyone: Blame Canada
Sheila: With all their beady little eyes
And flapping heads so full of lies
Everyone: Blame Canada
Blame Canada
Sheila: We need to form a full assault
Everyone: It's Canada's fault!
Sharon: Don't blame me
For my son Stan
He saw the damn cartoon
And now he's off to join the Klan!

Posted by: SF Fan | August 21, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the new team name should be the NAUGHTS. Thus, every time they record a homestand shutout the fans who bought tickets would get a prize, like some crackerjack thingy. Each shutout would have a unique prize. Just think, by the end of a season like this season ticket holders would come to the park just to trade off their collections of free prizes to each other. You could string them together to make plastic hope bracelets. You could decorate Zimmerman or Dmitri bobble heads with them. You could make little stick pins out of them and use them to stick into Bowden-like pin cushions. Or perhaps you could find a voodoo specialist who could make real lucky charms out of them to give to AK. Indeed, we would all feel lucky to finally have a major league team that lived up to its name.

Posted by: Dale | August 21, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Seriously Hernandez is our leadoff hitterI know we have no leadoff hitter on this team or a cleanup hitter for that matter, but we just picked up Hernandez off the scrap heap and despite going 3/4 last night is not a good hitter.

Welcome to rock bottom

Posted by: Screech is your new lead off hitter | August 21, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

@Screech I thought you had a back sprain and was "day-to-day"? or was that just a blog rumor?

Posted by: SF Fan | August 21, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

And to think, the worst loss would be a shutout recorded on the road, because no one would get a prize. More's the pity.

Posted by: Dale | August 21, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Fascinating-The last two entries have managed to crap on the Lerners,Bowden,Acta, Chico, other coaches,practically every player in the major league organization,including Zimmerman who until this injury riddled year has been terrific.
Well, other than many of the absurd specimens who constantly whine and complain about everything they can, then reverse the whining if the occasion suits them, I don't see that much to be negative about. This season has been tough, injury wise, and there are a lot of young players learning their trade at the big league level. Bonifacio is good. Wait he's terrible. Hell! Which is it with you guys? Give him a chance. Certainly makes me wonder what deficiencies some of you have in both your character and your work.
Sorry, you guys who hang in there through it all with some justifiable complaints and yet keep a relatively objective and optimistic approach. I enjoy reading your blogs but unfortunately you are fast becoming the minority.
Oh, do I have any complaints? Of course. Who wouldn't this season? They had to sign Crowe, for example.
But this team is not going to be as bad as so many of you think.

Posted by: Jeeves | August 21, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I miss you...

Posted by: 2 weeks ago | August 21, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

"But this team is not going to be as bad as so many of you think."

Ha yeah we are. I still love them though.

Posted by: Dagger | August 21, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Lastings batting cleanup. Oh boy. Well, the way he's hitting maybe he'll give Zim some protection. Then again...


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Wow | August 21, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

I hope I can make it to the game tonight. This Philly traffic is terrible...

Posted by: clutch hitting | August 21, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

PTBNL - I like it - get it to Mr. Acta!

Posted by: Patty | August 21, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

The game hasn't even started, but based upon their starting lineup the Nats have been declared the loser.

They were declared the loser after the umpire and the Phillies finished laughing

Posted by: It's Official | August 21, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Clutch Hitting...we must be stuck in the same traffic jam! Well, we've missed so many games lately, so what's one more?

Posted by: reliable bullpen pitching | August 21, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I have one of the MASN networks on waiting for the pregame. I realized I have the wrong station on. This leads me to another gripe. On my cable system sometimes the Nats play on 102 and sometimes it is 74 and it changes all the time. The O's are on the other station. Why not use dedicated numbers for them? But I digress

Anyway on the other station they are showing CST programming. And what show are they showing? A show about the Mets AAA team the Zephyrs. Geez at least show us something about Columbus. Pathetic

Posted by: I hate MASN | August 21, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Holy crap. Kearns is scheduled to make $8mil next season........Yikes.

Posted by: AK 8 mil | August 21, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

you know, milledge at cleanup right now isn't the worst idea. his OPS for august is 1090. he's been pretty hot this month. unlike everyone else.

Posted by: 231 | August 21, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

plop plop fizz fizz oh what a relief it is!

Posted by: 6th and D | August 21, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Lord, save me from the banjo-hitting infielders Manny uses as leadoff batters. Maybe he's partial because Manny was a banjo-hitting infielder in the minors.

Posted by: leetee1955 | August 21, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Goooooo Tim!

Posted by: Patty | August 21, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

From the Denver Post: "The depth provides adequate explanation of why the Rockies made Taveras available at the trading deadline, according to opposing executives. The Washington Nationals have interest and could become a fit this offseason if they move Lastings Milledge out of a center field, according to a major league source."

I cannot believe that this team would have any interest in Taveras. Actually, I can believe that JimBo would have interest because he seems to covet speed over other, more important skills (such as the ability to get on base or hit for power). Hopefully Bowden will be gone before he has a chance to trade for him...

Posted by: Offense/offensive | August 21, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I hope we don't trade for Tavarez unless they want a light hitting middle infielder of which we have plenty.

If they do trade for him they need to move Elijah Dukes to right and try and move Kearns even if we have to eat part of his contract

Posted by: No Way Jose Rijo | August 21, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Taveras is an outfielder, not a middle infielder, and he's a lock to steal 50 bases a year

Posted by: Sal | August 21, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

@Sal

Not saying Tavarez is a MI, just saying that we don't need him unless we can get him cheap for one of our MI. Mostly joking because noone would want our bounty of middle infielders

Posted by: No Way Jose Rijo | August 21, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, stealing 50 bases doesn't make up for his other shortcomings, like inability to get on base or hit for power (two skills this team lacks). With the make-up of the team right now, we don't need another speedy, slap-hitting, low OBP player.

Posted by: Offense/offensive | August 21, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

I may have underestimated this Hernandez kid. I am not going to get all crazy like people did for Bonifacio, but he has played well so far

Posted by: NatsVerse | August 21, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

While the sports commission and the Nationals are expected to enter into arbitration to resolve the issue of substantial completion, the two sides are still negotiating over a number of related issues, including who should pay for certain items such as tarps, wireless networks, and video cameras. The two sides are scheduled to resume talks on Aug. 25.

Posted by: http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/sportsbiz/2008/Aug/20/sports-commission-lawyers/ | August 21, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Must. fight. urge. to be negative......

Posted by: PJ | August 21, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Forget free agents, forget draft picks, forget an upgraded coaching staff, old man Lerner wants his damn tarps and he wants them now.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

lessee...the midget at first base can't handle zim's throw and then one of the nationals' most reliable relivers then allows a home rin putting the phils ahead. hmmm...sounds like natsluck to me.

Posted by: natsscribe | August 21, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the front office will be more responsive to fan complaints next year if the city provides wireless internet access. Having to run down to Starbucks in order to answer their e-mails is really cutting down on productivity.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I would have bailed you out there, Natty D., but it seems like you managed to do it on your own, no farm hands necessary. ;-)

==============

and by day-to-hay I clearly mean that he must do a special workout pitching hay in order to build arm and core strength...

yeah, that was a stretch

Posted by: natsfan1a | August 21, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Nats are winning in the 9th inning. I can barely contain myself

Posted by: NatsVerse | August 21, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

I hear you, Jeeves.

Also, Go Nats!!!

Posted by: natsfan1a | August 21, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Letting Hanrahan bat with bases loaded in the 9th

Posted by: This is Nuts | August 21, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

He had some hits as a starter, I think, but yeah.

Posted by: natsfan1a | August 21, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

That double-switch was just all wrong.

Posted by: cat daddy | August 21, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Halllujah!

Posted by: flynnie | August 21, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Yes!!!!!!!! Good game. streak over

Posted by: NatsVerse | August 21, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

A win! Saints preserve us!

Posted by: leetee1955 | August 21, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

i can't believe what i just saw!

Posted by: natsscribe | August 21, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Ding dong, the streak is dead!

Posted by: natsfan1a | August 21, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

For summer has o'erwhelmed their clammy cells!

Posted by: flynnie | August 21, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, Jack Buck - I mean natscribe. :-D

Posted by: natsfan1a | August 21, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Hanrahan gets the first two inning save in Nats' history! Redding shuts down the big bats!

Posted by: flynnie | August 21, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

That was a very creative way to end the losing streak. I like bringing in Hanrahan as a stopper for the meat of the order, and considering it unlikely that the Nats would get guys on base to bring his spot up in the order.....
But if that wouldn't have ended with a win, there'd be no end to the gnashing of teeth.

Posted by: cat daddy | August 21, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

In the last week we have lost ground in the Steven Strasberg sweepstakes. We've won once, and Seattle hasn't.

Posted by: John O. | August 21, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Tell Harlan to stay away. He's bad luck.

Posted by: leetee1955 | August 21, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Great moments in broadcasting: Charlie describing the wedding of the Philly Phanatic on Jewish Heritage night, which "just goes to show you, Dave. There's someone for everybody." Dave was laughing so hard he struggled to call the next at bat. And, on TV:

Bob: When's the last time we talked about insurance runs?

Don: The last time we did a Geico commercial.

Posted by: flynnie | August 21, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

They won....really, they won...how is that they won, really...oh my, how wonderful is that....they won, really, they did...off to dreamland.

Posted by: SC Nats Fan | August 21, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

... a hard fought win to break a gut-wrenching 12 game losing streak nets exactly zero new posts for over an hour after the final pitch.

Boy this franchise has some serious work to do to restore its dignity with its dwindling fan base.

Posted by: And the surest sign that apathy has sunk its teeth in deep... | August 21, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

... the Nats won and F5 netted me exactly zero new posts. The NJ faithful netted a fair number. Eesh.

Posted by: and the surest sign that strange things are afoot at the Circle K tonight... | August 21, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Redding allowed one run and three hits in six innings.

Kearns hit a tiebreaking RBI single in the 8th.

Hanrahan bats, but saves.

Player of the Game
Anderson Hernandez, 2-5 .556, rbi and run scored.

Nice win...

Posted by: cat daddy | August 21, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Seattle is down 1-0 heading into the 9th.

Posted by: the fly in the ointment | August 22, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Aaron Crow still has not appeared in a game for the FW Cats.

Posted by: Public Service Announcement | August 22, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

Ouch. Unflattering story about the Lerners paying their bills. Is the real estate market that bad?

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10942442

Posted by: No Way Jose Rijo | August 22, 2008 2:00 AM | Report abuse

The Sportsline article is just more evidence of the cheap poor management style of this team's ownership. Ken Rosenthal's earlier article on the Lerner's financial shenanigans has received further substantiation. Incredible.

On a positive note I am glad the Nats finally won last night.

Posted by: Count Demoney | August 22, 2008 3:32 AM | Report abuse

The CBS story:

You can take the team out of Montreal.
But apparently, there's no removing the traveling carnival atmosphere from the team.

As the Nationals' fourth season in Washington, D.C., swirls badly down the drain, even a brand new stadium isn't enough to cover the ugly organizational warts and blemishes:

• On the field, the Nationals are wretched, their 12-game losing streak through midweek is the franchise's longest since a 12-gamer in August, 1976 (Perhaps the club just doesn't play well with the Summer Olympics going on.)
• On the farm, the club whiffed on signing its first-round pick at last Friday's deadline, right-handed pitcher Aaron Crow from the University of Missouri, despite the fact that, according to various reports, the two sides moved within $500,000 to $700,000 apart from each other.
• On the couch, television ratings for the club are the worst in the game, with only 9,000 households in a metro area of 5.3 million watching on any given evening.
• On the legal front, the Washington Post reported last week that the Nats have refused to pay $3.5 million in rent to the District of Columbia, charging that the publicly financed Nationals Park is not "substantially complete." Even though it has been open for business all season.
That the Nationals would squabble with D.C. over rent -- whichever side is in the right -- shouldn't be surprising because this is an organization that continues to give every sign of financial trouble or mismanagement, take your pick.
The Nationals, according to multiple sources, are habitually late in paying their bills on matters ranging from road trips (hotels, reimbursements to players for their expenses) to other matters (Their scouts often have had to wait four and five months for their expenses to be paid, though one source said this week that that's finally been sorted out and mostly corrected.)

"They're late on all their payments -- all of their payments," one industry source says. "People hate dealing with them. All aspects of what they do.
"They've got problems. Big problems."
All signs point to a complete and utter mess, as far as the eye can see in nearly every direction.
Regarding last week's draft-signing deadline, the Nationals, Seattle and the New York Yankees were the only clubs that failed to sign their first-round picks. But schoolboy pitcher Gerrit Cole, who will start at UCLA in the fall, essentially told the Yankees that he wanted to go to college and would not sign, period, whatever they offered. The deadline did not apply to the Mariners because right-hander Josh Fields has already finished his senior season at Georgia.

There was plenty of back-and-forth, he-said, she-said between the Nationals and Crow's representatives -- Alan and Randy Hendricks -- as last Friday's deadline came and went. He demanded a major league contract, then he didn't, he wanted $9 million then lowered it to $4.4 million, yada, yada, yada.


Bottom line, though, is when you come within $500,000 or so and you're as bad as the Nationals, you can't let a first-rounder get away.
The club's stance now is it won't hurt the Nats that badly because they'll have two of next June's top 10 picks -- including, possibly, No. 1 overall, if they finish with a worse record than the Padres. And true, the Nationals have a history of getting deals done with their number ones: Ryan Zimmerman, Chris Marrero and Ross Detwiler among them.
But combine the failed negotiations with regular delinquency in paying their bills, and the picture is of stormy seas and questionable management.
Combine that with the on-pace-for 56-106 final record (granted, the Nats have had their share of injuries this year but, still), the awful television ratings and embarrassingly low attendance (even with the new ballpark, the Nationals still rank 12th in the NL and 19th in the majors), and the Former Wards of the MLB Estate don't appear much better off than they were in Montreal.
And in some ways, perhaps, worse off. Unsolicited, one coach for a major league team approached me earlier this season and wondered when I had last seen the Nationals. Why? Because he wanted to compare notes, he was so disgusted with the way the Nationals conducted themselves, casually walking on and off the field, among other things.
"That's the worst I've ever seen," the coach said.
The same could be said on several different levels in D.C. right now.

Posted by: ohplease | August 22, 2008 5:15 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, Little Miss Sunshine...

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 6:28 AM | Report abuse

Who is Zach Berman?

Posted by: ubi est chico? | August 22, 2008 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Chico is working on a story like the CBS Sports article. Would that be possible? Would the Post actually write the story that every national media outlet is either writing now or is preparing to write -- that this franchise is a disaster and a national embarrassment?

What would it take for the Post to write that story?

Bowden photographed in a perp walk?

Zimmerman saying he wants out?

Kasten quitting?

A 22-game losing streak?

Posted by: ohplease | August 22, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, we can't hear what you are saying due to the noise made by your ax grinding.

Posted by: NJ denizens | August 22, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Cheap is too kind of a word to describe Ted Lerner. Cheap is almost a compliment, it's good to be frugal. Lerner's greed knows no bounds. Whether it be vendors contacted to run the stadium services, baseball players, or the city that gave him a stadium, Lerner doesn't want to part with an extra cent, he'd rather give his money to a lawyer than pay his debts. What will it take to remove this cancer from our precious baseball club that we wanted for so long?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Why would you want to read the same article twice? That doesn't make the statements in the duplicated articles either more true or more false, it just makes them twice as repeated.

And assuming that your point is true (and I'd bet it's not) that "every national media outlet is either writing now or is preparing to write" a column like the Sportsline one, then why would even more repetition by the Post of the exact same point add anything more than just noise?

Posted by: faNATic | August 22, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

fanatic,
Yeah, you're right. The local paper should ignore the story. Can't imagine why I didn't see that before. I somehow was blinded to the possibility that local newspapers would be the first to cover local issues.

Posted by: ohplease | August 22, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

"The Sportsline article is just more evidence of the cheap poor management style of this team's ownership. Ken Rosenthal's earlier article on the Lerner's financial shenanigans has received further substantiation. Incredible."

The Sportsline article is just a rehash of Rosenthal's article from LAST YEAR, written as if it all went down yesterday. The only thing in it that's actually NEWS is this line they buried deep within: "one source said this week that that's finally been sorted out and mostly corrected." Of course, once one source told them that they quit looking for any more sources to ask, because that just might have forced them to refute their entire article. Better to print yesterday's news as if it's still true and go off to the bar and get loaded. That's how "newsmen" work, y'know.

"On a positive note I am glad the Nats finally won last night."

Yeah, so you could pause from your constant spewing of negativity and catch a nap.

Posted by: francisco franco is still dead | August 22, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

No one said that they should ignore any story, ohplease. But perhaps I'm alone in thinking that spewing more unattributed vitriol in a "story" on the pages of a newspaper won't really achieve the results for which you appear to be looking.

Posted by: faNATic | August 22, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

It's so nice to see that Ray King's Gut Feeling/419+1 hasn't left us but is now just posting under silly names. Anyway, there is, actually, new information in the Sportsline story. The following is new:

"The Nationals, according to multiple sources, are habitually late in paying their bills on matters ranging from road trips (hotels, reimbursements to players for their expenses) to other matters."

The following is also new and additional insight:

"They're late on all their payments -- all of their payments," one industry source says. "People hate dealing with them. All aspects of what they do.
"They've got problems. Big problems."

Now, I'm sure Fat Ray King/419+1 will discount this stuff as meaningless, sour grapes, anecdotal, etc. But tell me--can you point me to the articles saying the same things about the owners of the other 29 major league baseball teams?

Posted by: Coverage is lacking | August 22, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Who cares if they pay their bills late or not at all, I don't pay my bills either. The Lerners have a plan, get on board or get out of the way!

Posted by: (419 + 1) * 0 | August 22, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Oh CIL, how's this for an ironic guess: maybe coverage is lacking in the other 27 cities as well?

If the writers are not complaining about us in this city's paper, and the writers are not complaining about the other teams in their home cities' papers, what could that possibly mean?! (perish the thought that maybe our issues aren't all that different from anyone else's).

Ooh, ooh, I got it. The NATIONAL media is the only one who knows what is going on... Must be it. THEY know we deserve to be picked on.

For all the supposed outcry, the national "outrage" and "embarrassment" in the media outlets over the Washington Nationals pales in comparison to the media coverage of, for instance, the Seattle Supersonics and their ownership group. Again, that could just be from my seat, but don't worry, folks, let's be angry in all directions because we're just as flawed as the worst of teams of all time (we're special!!).

Posted by: faNATic | August 22, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, so you could pause from your constant spewing of negativity and catch a nap.

Posted by: please get some more zzzzzs | August 22, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

I log on this morning expecting to read a learned discussion about the meaning of last night's win as to what this means for winning 50-60--are our hopes for the number one choice next year dashed, etc etc. Instead, I see arguement over some lame ner tab story that makes no sense?

By the way, I think Moyer might be done after this season. Our batters were timing his junk to a fare thee well (11 hits). Also, I am ready to give Hanrahan (sp?) the Closer title.

Posted by: Sec 204 Row K Seat 11 | August 22, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Right, fanatic, that must be it, you've got it all figured out. The national media has decided to write about the Lerners for no reason, but they could just as easily write the same stuff about any other major league team.

And when you have to compare the Lerners to owners who want to move their team to Oklahoma, what does that say for your argument? I thought the goal here was that the Lerners sought to make this a model franchise? Is not being the worst of the worst something to now be proud about?

Posted by: Coverage is lacking | August 22, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Here's a thought: maybe it's not *just* the sucky team keeping folks away?

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Yeah, so you could pause from your constant spewing of negativity and catch a nap.
Posted by: please get some more zzzzzs | August 22, 2008 8:53 AM
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... a hard fought win to break a gut-wrenching 12 game losing streak nets exactly zero new posts for over an hour after the final pitch.
Boy this franchise has some serious work to do to restore its dignity with its dwindling fan base.
Posted by: And the surest sign that apathy has sunk its teeth in deep... | August 21, 2008 11:14 PM

Posted by: Just Sayin, Sr. | August 22, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Here's a thought: maybe the sucky team isn't the only reason for the crickets among what used to be a thriving discussion even thought the team has pretty much always sucked.

Posted by: Just Sayin, Sr. | August 22, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

OK, that was weird.

Posted by: JSS | August 22, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Right, no other sports clubs owners have ever been called greedy by the national sports press:

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/owners/greediest.html

Posted by: flashback | August 22, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Ryan Church
Hits/Atbats 63/205
Runs 40
HR 10
RBI 36
SB 1
K's 50
AVG .307

Lastings Milledge
Hits/ABS 105/402
Runs 47
HR 12
RBI 45
SB 17
K's 69
Avg. .261

I thought it would be next year before the Milledge trade paid off, but given that Church has a history of not being able to stay in the lineup and that once again he could not do that, it seems to me that the trade is already looking pretty good for the Nationals. Schneider is hitting .256 in 260 at bats and is not trusted in the Mets lineup. Milledge is still only 23 and may be 2-4 years away from his most productive years, but Church and Schneider have likely already had their most productive years. I can't really see the Mets going in to 2009 with a starting position carved out for Church at this point.

Posted by: anomolous | August 22, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Blah blah blah. If you listen to Adrien Fenty, he admits that there are significant punch list items in the stadium that need to be completed. For example: Every rainfall we get, the clubhouse leaks in several places (I have a sister who works at the stadium and she's one of many that have to round up buckets to catch the leaks). I was at the O's game on a Saturday night sitting in the stars and stripes club. I witnessed not 1, not 2, but 3 separate leaks during the rain delay.
Fenty says that the city is going to get the repairs done during the off season. There are many more issues (including backed up sewers that put off an odor in some of the suites and the visitors clubhouse).
Now, if this were your apartment or new home, would you enthusiastically write your rent check? Hell no.

As for the 9,000 households that watch Nats games on TV? BS.

Posted by: 6th and D | August 22, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Is there a corollary to Godwin's Law about how long it takes a discussion to recover after all useful exchange is over? Maybe that's the problem here -- it takes a certain amount of time for the rock to roll back downhill before we can start pushing it up again.

Posted by: Just another thought | August 22, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

You nailed it. It's not the team or the coverage that keeps many readers away from NJ, it's the hostile takeover.

Posted by: also just sayin | August 22, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

WAHOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
YIPEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
HOORAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

Excuse me, all, that's my celebrating a WIN.
I wish it happened more often but thus far it has not, so when it does happen I'm happy.


Sorry, I was away from my keyboard for a moment there doing my happy dance. It may have beren best that you couldn't see it.

Let's play two!

Posted by: SlowPitch63 | August 22, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I remain as dedicated a fan as ever. I have posted less in the past few weeks because of work, vacation, and family. Apparently only the bitter, whiney, malcontents are able to make time for their postings everyday....

I just suffered through 12 losses, but last night we won! I still believe in the Plan, still believe we are executing the plan effectively, and still believe in the management team's ability to complete the plan.

I also believe in Santa Claus and would not mind if he brought me a free agent or two at Chtistmas, but whatever....

Posted by: NatBisquit | August 22, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

It only took 2 years for the Lerners to be associated with the owners on that list? Art Modell? Bill Wirtz? Loria? Hardly something to point to for comfort.
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Right, no other sports clubs owners have ever been called greedy by the national sports press:

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/owners/greediest.html

Posted by: flashback | August 22, 2008 9:01 AM

Posted by: Lerners ARE Cheap | August 22, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

"habitually late in...reimbursements to players for their expenses"

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Who associated them with that list, LAC - you? I have to say, and its really truly honestly nothing personal because some of what you say does have merit (just like you probably believe that only some - if that much - of what I say has merit), that your designation falls pretty far short of universal acclaim or acknowledgment that they belong anywhere near that list.

Even the silly Sportsline column doesn't rise/stoop to placing them in the pantheons of greediest or worst owners ever.
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It only took 2 years for the Lerners to be associated with the owners on that list? Art Modell? Bill Wirtz? Loria? Hardly something to point to for comfort.

Posted by: Lerners ARE Cheap | August 22, 2008 9:12 AM

Posted by: faNATic | August 22, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

"habitually late in...reimbursements to players for their expenses"

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

No, faNATic, I assure you it was not me who associated them with that list. I wouldn't do that--make an anonymous post and then comment on it as if it was written by someone else. Anyway, I agree with you that the Lerners--for now and hopefully forever--do not belong near that list. My point was only as I said, that pointing to that list to recognize there are other bad owners is hardly something that should give any of us comfort. That's like saying the Lerners aren't as bad as the Griffiths or Short as reason to be happy.

Posted by: Lerners ARE Cheap | August 22, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Oh, those fun-lovin' Lerners:

From the Washington Business Journal:

"Is Nationals Park complete or isn’t it?

The Nats owner, the Lerner family, is withholding $3.5 million in rent and seeking $100,000 per day in damages from D.C. because they say the stadium wasn’t completed on time.

But Ted Lerner & Co. appear to sing a different tune when wooing users to the ballpark. Just consider their eagerness to rent it to the Archdiocese of Washington for Pope Benedict XVI’s visit in April. That sublease, according to a source familiar with the deal, includes the following: “There is conclusive evidence that the ballpark, including the field, was in good repair and in satisfactory condition, fitness and order, when possession was taken.”

The stadium seemed to work during the pope’s visit, according to Archdiocese spokeswoman Susan Gibbs. “The bathrooms were good, the suites were done, the field looked great,” she says. The main problem, Gibbs says, had nothing to do with the building itself: “There was not enough coffee for nearly 50,000 people.”

No lawsuits have been filed in the city’s dispute with the Nationals, but the D.C. Sports and Entertainment Commission has selected a Chicago-based law firm, Seyfarth Shaw LLP, to represent the District in arbitration over the rent. Erik Moses, chief executive of the commission, says D.C. is “working through all outstanding issues with the team and the general contractors.” A Lerner spokeswoman declined to comment.

Maybe D.C. can commiserate with the Archdiocese. While the Lerners charged “market price” for the pope’s visit, Gibbs says the New York Yankees donated the far more famous Yankee Stadium for the pope’s visit."

These cheap bastards charged the Pope market prices while Steinbrenner donates Yankee Stadium!

Posted by: ohplease | August 22, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Bring me my tarps, now!

Posted by: Ted Lerner | August 22, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

"Posted by: Coverage is lacking | August 22, 2008 8:27 AM "

Posted by: talk about a silly name! | August 22, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

LAC, I very much appreciate your response and we can certainly agree that we should have higher aspirations than the bottom of the barrel.

New topic: with 6 games left against each of the Mets, Phillies, and Marlins in the last month and a half, do we think that the Nats can again play a meaningful role in the playoff race this season? I'd absolutely love to ruin somebody else's chances. If nothing else, schadenfreude and playing the spoiler was mighty entertaining last season.

Posted by: faNATic | August 22, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

No, faNATic, I assure you it was not me who associated them with that list. I wouldn't do that--make an anonymous post and then comment on it as if it was written by someone else.

Posted by: Lerners ARE Cheap | August 22, 2008 9:42 AM"

Aren't you rather anonymous yourself behind that silly name?

Posted by: who the hell ARE you, anyway? | August 22, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

ohplease ... there's more to the stadium than just the playing field and the bathrooms. Just because those were working fine doesn't mean that the rest of the stadium is ...

Posted by: my reaction matches your screen name whenever you post | August 22, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

"The Nationals, according to multiple sources, are habitually late in paying their bills on matters ranging from road trips (hotels, reimbursements to players for their expenses) to other matters."

The following is also new and additional insight:

"They're late on all their payments -- all of their payments," one industry source says. "People hate dealing with them. All aspects of what they do.
"They've got problems. Big problems."
______________________________

The national media just loves to quote these unnamed "industry sources." (Even the industry doesn't have a name!) Can't they find any sources that are at least willing to hide behind silly blog names?

Posted by: a source is a source, of course of course | August 22, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Wonder if the Pope had to pay six months in advance like Nats' season ticket holders.

Posted by: ohplease | August 22, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

"ohplease ... there's more to the stadium than just the playing field and the bathrooms. Just because those were working fine doesn't mean that the rest of the stadium is ... "

The Pope used the bathroom at Nationals Park? How does he do that with all those robes on, anyway?

Posted by: is there a hidden stall-cam? | August 22, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Didn't someone ask the question here awhile back:

"Are the Lerners cheap? Well, is the Pope Catholic."

Now we can say:

"Are the Lerners cheap? Well, is the Pope one of their victims?"

Posted by: ohplease | August 22, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

"Now, if this were your apartment or new home, would you enthusiastically write your rent check? Hell no."

Posted by: 6th and D | August 22, 2008 9:03 AM

A good point, for sure, but if you had been given the house/apt. shouldn't you be a little less likely to point out the flaws, at least out of respect? I have not witnessed the leaks or smells but this is the first I've read about it, which leads me to believe that for all intents and purposes the stadium is "substantially complete." IMO, if fans can come to the stadium and watch a baseball game, it's complete.

Posted by: WN | August 22, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Umm, I watched Moyer give up 2 runs (1 earned) in 6 2/3 innings. I believe he only gave up 5 hits as well. Also, he's given up 3 runs or less in his last 13 or 14 starts. That's far from being "done" in my dictionary ...
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By the way, I think Moyer might be done after this season. Our batters were timing his junk to a fare thee well (11 hits).

Posted by: Sec 204 Row K Seat 11 | August 22, 2008 8:55 AM
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Posted by: e | August 22, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Chico / Zach, others - Was Lannan in the dugout last night? Was he offered a chance to fly out early so he could check in and get a normal night's sleep at the hotel?

On TV, I think it was Sutton who mentioned how Lannan would get several seats to lay across on the flight out to Chicago because he'd be pitching today. With a day game after a night game in a new town, you'd think the Nats would want him to fly out early and get some rest, rather than arrive at the hotel after 2 AM EDT when the team gets there. Don't most teams fly guys out early? I can't imagine any team not doing this for a west coast series, and with a night game then day game combo, I think the same would hold true.

I'm not in the LAC camp, but this is curious. It's at least worth a question to Manny pre-game.

Posted by: PTBNL | August 22, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

so if you've never read about it before, WN, that means it can't be true? i saw/heard stories about the water leaks months ago, and i've seen several stories about them since.

Posted by: 231 | August 22, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

"A good point, for sure, but if you had been given the house/apt. shouldn't you be a little less likely to point out the flaws, at least out of respect?"

Well, gee, if you're GIVEN something, then that would mean that you're not supposed to pay rent for the use of it, wouldn't it? Which would then make it kind of difficult to withhold your rent payment in order to get your landlord to fix up the place that he isn't GIVING you in the first place, wouldn't it?

Bottom line: Even though legions of silly-named blog posters say all the time that the Lerners were given the stadium, that's not the case. They are tenants, DC is the landlord. As Casey Stengel once said, you could look it up.

Posted by: talk about missing the point! | August 22, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I would look it up, but the Lerners won't buy us any reference books.

Posted by: natsemployee | August 22, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

You want water leaks? Check out A DC United game at RFK when it's raining. Some of the ramps are impassable because of waterfalls.

As for the Aaron Crow debacle, plenty of blame to go around. There's no way it should have come down to such a last-minute game of chicken. Nats should have found a way to get it done, and Crow has failed to reap the rewards of all his hard work that resulted in being drafted 6th. I blame both sides for the way it played out. As for whether the Lerners are trying to run this team on the cheap, I think that there are volumes full of evidence already. Not sure why baseball preferred them to the Malek group, which would have been more committed to the baseball side of things, but the fans are paying for it.

Now then, I was going to post this last night, but got distracted:

The Nats win????

Posted by: Fisch Fry | August 22, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

231 -

I didn't mean for it to sound like I didn't believe it because I hadn't heard about it, my point was only that since the stadium can be safely occupied by fans/media/players, etc... it says to me: "substantialy complete."

Posted by: WN | August 22, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Why Malek lost:

From the Washington Post's Marc Fisher:

Malek Downside: Malek himself is his group's greatest burden. He did the dirty work for one of Dick Nixon's ugliest deeds, combing the roster of employees at the Bureau of Labor Statistics to identify Jews working there because Nixon thought they were conspiring against him. Malek has spent decades courting Jewish supporters to make the case that he is not anti-Semitic. (Lerner, Smulyan and Zients are Jewish, as are Selig and the team owner playing the largest role in this process, Jerry Reinsdorf of the Chicago White Sox.) Going further back, nearly half a century ago, Malek, then 22, accompanied friends who killed, gutted and barbecued a dog, as Post columnist Colbert King reported last month. The dog story dealt Malek's bid a big blow but has also created a backlash of sympathy. Arf.

Posted by: ohplease | August 22, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

eh... "occupancy" isn't the same "substantially complete."

i could move into a house where the roof leaked in some of the rooms. but i'd still tell the builder/owner that it wasn't substantially complete if my roof leaked. and if he told me he wanted to wait until i went on vacation to fix it, i probably would withhold my rent (if i had a clause in my lease allowing me to) until it was fixed, too.

Posted by: 231 | August 22, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

It's a slow news day after all, so let's take an in-depth critical look at one of these statements from the national media, okay?

"The Nationals, according to multiple sources, are habitually late in paying their bills on matters ranging from road trips (hotels, reimbursements to players for their expenses) to other matters."

Reading between the lines, we can deduce that for this sentence to be written one of two things had to have happened. To wit:

(A) A majority of the hotel managers in the cities where the Nationals play were contacted, and these hotel managers stated that the Nationals had paid their hotel bills late. Also, quite a few players (who, mind you, get their travel and hotel expenses paid for them and collect meal money over and above their salaries for every day they are on the road, so what expenses do they really have that are reimbursable anyway?) were contacted, and those players all said that the Nationals were late in reimbursing their expense vouchers. (And who here has an employer who ISN'T later in reimbursing expenses than they'd like them to be?) Also, managers of whatever businesses fall under the rather nebulous heading of "other matters" were contacted and reported the same tardiness in payments from the Nationals. Rather a lot of work, all that investigation. Must have taken quite some time to complete.

OR

(2) The reporter and a couple of his drinking buddies sat around the hotel bar one night swapping yarns, and this is what emerged.

Posted by: so who you gonna believe? | August 22, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Oh - I might ad, that despite playing in the rat's nest that is RFK, without any decent concessions that might draw in more fans and repeat customers including more families, and despite the power outages, and despite the fact that Nationals fans park for FREE (????) at RFK while DC United fans are paying $12 a pop, DC United is paying the city rent for the privilege of playing in RFK and working in the 45 year-old offices there that the Nationals got rent-free while the finishing touches were being put on the offices at Nationals Park.

The Nationals are being miserly and poor citizens. Plain and simple. They can say they're making a good-faith legal argument based on the letter of the contract, but what it comes down to is they're trying to extract blood from a stone and get a whole lot of something for absolutely nothing.

What they don't realize is that sometimes image is everything. The Irsays, etc. -- examples of cheap ownership that ran their teams into the ground and lose the suport of much of the fan base.

It may seem penny-wise, but it's dollar-stupid...unless one doesn't care about how the team does on the field or at the gate, and one is just trying to hold down expenses until the big payday comes when they sell the team.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | August 22, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

examples of cheap ownership that ran their teams into the ground and lost the support of much of the fan base.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"Malek, then 22, accompanied friends who killed, gutted and barbecued a dog, as Post columnist Colbert King reported last month. The dog story dealt Malek's bid a big blow but has also created a backlash of sympathy. Arf."

Posted by: ah, now i see why centerplate nixed the dog tacos from the menu! | August 22, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

"DC United is paying the city rent for the privilege of playing in RFK and working in the 45 year-old offices there that the Nationals got rent-free while the finishing touches were being put on the offices at Nationals Park."

Well, maybe if DC Untied put their foot down with their landlord the landlord might do something about fixing up the slum they're occupying. Ya think?

Posted by: dc united: lerners stole our plan! | August 22, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

"With two runners in scoring position and two outs in the sixth inning, Acta faced a difficult decision. * * * Boone popped out to first base. But Anderson Hernandez . . . picked Boone up with an RBI single."

Ah, the rare four-out inning saved the Nats!

Posted by: Don't Let Interns Write Gamers | August 22, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I guess in the end what I would like to see is for DC to fix the items that are still problematic (roof, drainage, whatever else) in a timely fashion so the Lerners can pay the rent, and for them to not feel the need to seek damages from the city for the stadium not being 'completed' on time.

Posted by: WN | August 22, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"habitually late in...reimbursements to players for their expenses"

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Break up the Nats!

Posted by: 307 | August 22, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

i think that's what the lerners would like to see, too, WN.

Posted by: 231 | August 22, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

"habitually late in...reimbursements to players for their expenses"

Which players? What expenses? (Remember, they don't pay their own hotel and travel expenses, and get meal money handed to them daily per the CBA.)

Posted by: habitually forget to mention these details | August 22, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I hear the Pope is habitually late in reimbursing nuns for the expense of dry-cleaning their habits.

Posted by: a source within the poping industry | August 22, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I hear the Pope is habitually late in reimbursing nuns for the expense of dry-cleaning their habits.

Posted by: a source within the poping industry | August 22, 2008 11:47 AM

Posted by: post du jour | August 22, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"habitually late in...reimbursements to players for their expenses"

Per Diem

Posted by: (419 + 1) * 0 | August 22, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Aaron Crow still has not appeared in a game for the FW Cats.

Posted by: Public Service Announcement | August 22, 2008 1:50 AM

Posted by: just 2 regular season games to go | August 22, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Ummm. . . . everyone here is missing the BIG NEWS (if Chico is correct). Redding did so well last night that he is starting again today, giving JL the day off.

Posted by: Twinbrook, MD | August 22, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Break up the Nats!

Posted by: 307 | August 22, 2008 11:37 AM

Sounds like a good idea to me....

Posted by: Fisch Fry | August 22, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

In other news tangentially related to the Nationals:

"loser Stephen Strasburg who allowed three runs in four innings while fanning five and showing a fastball that topped out at 97 mph and a sharp curve."

I'm not calling him a loser -- just noting that he took the loss to Cuba today. It was the bullpen that got pounded in the 8th innning, so Strasburg looks good by comparison.

Meanwhile, good riddance to the Olympic baseball competition. It's a shame, but until MLB allows good players a chance to compete, the tournament is a bad joke. To limit it to retired players, college players and those who aren't in any teams' plans this year is incredibly short-sighted. No wonder the IOC finally pulled the plug.

Posted by: FIsch Fry | August 22, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

"habitually late in...reimbursements to players for their expenses"

Per Diem"

That's not an expense that you get reimbursed for. It's an advance handout of a fixed daily amount in lieu of having to itemize your expenses for later reimbursement. Back in the day, a club's GM used to stand in the hotel lobby every day and dole out the meal money to the players. (see Jim Bouton, "Ball Four") The same GM used to also sit in the hotel lobby every night at the curfew hour to catch players trying to sneak in late. (ibid.) I doubt the GM does the curfew thing any more, but maybe the GM or the traveling secretary or his assistant George Costanza is still responsible for handing out the daily meal money. So are you saying that those very same players who don't hustle on the field are complaining that the GM or his representative isn't hustling to hand them their daily wad of cash on time?

Posted by: gee, what a shame! | August 22, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey Nats! Where's my meal money? You're late! Can't you see I'm starving here?

Posted by: dmitri young | August 22, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

This is what it has come to??

The front page of CBS Sportsline

Capital Stench

Their team stinks, they fail to sign their top pick, no one watches them in their hometown and they're squabbling over rent. ... Scott Miller says these are just a few reasons the Nationals are so darn bad

WHY!!!! is there such silence from the FO

Posted by: CBinDC | August 22, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Meat Hook been stealing my meal money the day after I get it a day late. You dead dawg.

Posted by: elijah dukes | August 22, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I used my meal money to bet on the fourth race at Hialeah. But don't tell anyone, okay?

Posted by: paul loduca | August 22, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Gee, I sure wish I was still getting that major league meal money, even if it did always come a day late.

Posted by: ray king (and quit using my name, you gut feeling guy) | August 22, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

@e

He would have lost the game if the Phils had not scored 2 in the bottom of the 7th. I have a watched him a lot during and since the Baltimore days. So...next season will tell.

Posted by: Sec 204 Row K Seat 11 | August 22, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm finally here!

Posted by: New Post | August 22, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

fly someone out by themself? That would cost the lerners more money...Cheap

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

How is it that Ray (Dinner Bell) King got all his per diem (and then some)? Could it be HE got everyone else's McDonald Bucks?

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