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Lineups from Miller Park

Hey folks,

Just landed here in Milwaukee, where the weather is beautiful and the retractable roof at Miller Park is stacked up along the third base side like a wedding cake. I only have a few minutes before the clubhouse opens for the pre-game chatter, but I wanted to post the lineups, since they've already been announced.

Washington

Bonifacio - 4
Guzman - 6
Zimmerman - 5
Kearns - 9
Milledge - 8
Flores - 2
Belliard - 3
Harris - 7
Balester - 1

Milwaukee

Weeks - 4
Hardy - 6
Braun - 7
Fielder - 3
Hart - 9
Counsell - 5
Cameron - 8
Kendall - 2
Sabathia - 1

By Chico Harlan  |  August 8, 2008; 4:27 PM ET
 
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Comments

Is it just me, or should the Nats try batting someone else at cleanup?

Posted by: WN | August 8, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

It's just you, WN, for the moment. We're 6-1 in the last week with a lineup roughly approximating this one, and Kearns has actually been contributing at a fairly high level for that time period (strange, I know).

Posted by: faNATic | August 8, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

The second game of yesterday's double header had Milledge at clean up. Kearns at #4 is Manny being Manny. *shrugs*

I am not sure why Kearns is still looked upon as a clean up hitter by anyone in the organization.

Posted by: Dale | August 8, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

yeah kearns is not a clean up hitter. throw milledge or flores in there, flores is in the top 2 with RISP for god sake put him behind ebone guzie and zim and he could drive in 130 runs a year!!!

Posted by: love | August 8, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

On the other hand, with the way they're playing, why mess with the line up? I guess i'm just concerned that Kearns seems to only be hitting singles...

Posted by: WN | August 8, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I thought I saw a theory that a high OBP guy actually may be more valuable batting 4th than 3d unless you have very high OBP guys #1 and #2, which we don't. IIRC, the thinking is more foten than not, your #3 guy will come up in the 1st with 2 outs, and that a walk with two outs does not lead to a run as often as a walk with no outs. I can't find the reference, though. In any event, the #3 and #4 hitters should still be your best hitters, and its hard to argue that Kearns is better than Flores right now. Flip'em.

Posted by: PTBNL | August 8, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Trust me though, I'm enjoying Nationals baseball thoroughly.

Posted by: WN | August 8, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

You see, captain, the foten torpedoes really mess up the scoring often.

Posted by: PTBNL | August 8, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Sabathia? A southpaw.

Posted by: Scooter | August 8, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I remember seeing the same thing, where it said you want a high on base guy leading off (duh) followed by another with your #3 man your 3rd lowest. Then your #4 hitter to be your 2nd best on base guy, and so on so every 3 spots you have power followed by an on base machine. I don't neccesarily agree with this theory. I also don't agree with batting your pitcher 8 and a position player 9 unless you're talking about Livan Hernandez and Wil Cordero. Give your best hitters the most at bats, meaning hit them highest in the order.

Posted by: Andrew Z. Stebbins | August 8, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

PTBNL: The #4 hitter leads off the second-most innings (behind the leadoff dude, of course). After that, it's a massive jumble of randomness. I saw this mentioned in Total Baseball back in the 90s or something.

Posted by: Scooter | August 8, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Manny, please flip Flores and Kearns in the batting order. Flores leads the team in runs batted in and Kearns can better get himself together batting lower in the order, his recent streak not withstanding.

Posted by: leetee1955 | August 8, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

There has been a lot of talk about the Nationals needing "more power" in their lineup. I don't know if that's true.

I lived in St. Louis during the early-to-mid 1980's when Whitey Herzog put together a bunch of singles hitters and won a whole lot of ball games.

Here's the 1985 lineup:

LF-Vince Coleman .267-1-40 (110 steals)
CF-Willie McGee .353-10-82 (56 steals)
2B-Tommy Herr .302-8-110 (31 steals)
1B-Jack Clark .282-21-87
RF-Andy VanSlyke .259-13-55 (34 steals)
3B-Terry Pendleton .240-5-69 (17 steals)
C- Darrell Porter .221-10-36
SS-Ozzie Smith .276-6-54 (31 steals)

Those starters hit just 75 homers but stole 286 bases (the team stole 314). A team full of speedy contact hitters doesn't need to hit a lot of homers. With a pitcher-friendly park, it might make sense to go the rout of the '85 Cardinals and not the '61 Yankees.

Posted by: The Beltway Boy | August 8, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Kendall is one of the easiest to run on in the league. Hope Bonifacio gets on base.

Posted by: NatBisquit | August 8, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

If you follow the logic of having your #4 hitter leading off the second most innings then I would bat Milledge or Harris in that spot. I still see no reason for Kearns to be that high in the order.

Posted by: Dale | August 8, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Manny, please flip Flores and Kearns in the batting order. Flores leads the team in runs batted in and Kearns can better get himself together batting lower in the order, his recent streak not withstanding.

Posted by: leetee1955 | August 8, 2008 4:59 PM

Kearns .421 OBP in August. Hmmmmm. Maybe Flores is getting RBI chances because he's hitting with men on all the time?

Posted by: Gal Revels in Pee | August 8, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Hi from Florida!!!!!

Posted by: PloD | August 8, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

The 1985 Cardinals are a real anomaly nowadays, BB, and not really a good point of comparison - they did well in an era where run scoring was WAY down. They scored 747 runs that year and led the NL. Last year, 747 runs was 9th in the NL, in 2006, it was 11th (one run ahead of the '06 Nats, by the way), and that's just the NL. In the AL, 747 runs would have put you third from the bottom. In an era where nobody was scoring, you could survive by pitching well and playing small-ball and averaging 4.6 runs a game. But the idea that somehow, the '85 Cardinals give you a template of how to win in 2008 is just misguided, I think. Even the teams that are viewed as suspect offensively that have had success (like the Angels) tend to score more than 800 runs a year.

While I'm totally on board with the pitching and defense first thing, the simple reality is that you have to score runs to win games, as we're seeing this week. If you can manage somewhere around 5 runs a game, you'll have plenty of offense. For every notch below that, you're pitching has to be that much better. Take last year's Padres - they scored 741, so more or less in Cards-ville. To be competitive, they had to have the NL's best team ERA at 3.70, and they ended up in that one-game playoff to miss the Wild Card

Posted by: Highway 295 Revisited | August 8, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

"Hi from Florida!!!!!

Posted by: PloD | August 8, 2008 5:19 PM"

Which track you at tonight?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 8, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

That would be Miami, FL, back with the Marlins.

Posted by: natsfan1a | August 8, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Kendall is throwing out about 40 percent of attempted steals.

Posted by: Hal | August 8, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

-- The Marlins signed veteran catcher Paul Lo Duca to a Minor League contract on Friday.
Lo Duca will report to Triple-A Albuquerque on Saturday, and will likely catch and serve as a designated hitter. He said there is no timetable as to when he'd be called up to the Majors.

Posted by: NR a MLB Player | August 8, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

We have no real cleanup hitter. Kearns is as good as any one we have at the moment. Maybe someday we will have a cleanup hitter

Posted by: Nick Johnson | August 8, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Who to bat cleanup? Who? WHO??


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Hmmmmm... serious power, good OBP, hits lefty, can play left field, maybe draw a few fans, but there's no serious competition to sign him ... yes, but who? WHO??


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I'd love to see them get another LF/1B lefty, but can anyone think of one that might be available?
Posted by: estuartj | August 8, 2008 2:02 PM

Posted by: Section 25, my couch | August 8, 2008 2:09 PM

Posted by: flynnie | August 8, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Damn you, Beinfest!
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The Marlins signed veteran catcher Paul Lo Duca to a Minor League contract on Friday.
Lo Duca will report to Triple-A Albuquerque on Saturday, and will likely catch and serve as a designated hitter. He said there is no timetable as to when he'd be called up to the Majors.


Posted by: NR a MLB Player | August 8, 2008 5:52 PM

Posted by: flynnie | August 8, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

while i enjoy watching small-ball, i also enjoy the long-ball.

the "big bopper" era is no longer in force, with only a couple of guys on pace for more than 40 HRs this season, but i don't think we'll be going back to the dead ball era any time soon. so i think it's best in today's game to have a good balance of both. that way when the sluggers aren't hot, you still have the capability of manufacturing runs. but you're still capable of mashing out some big numbers occasionally.

but hey, i've always been a proponent of balance in most things. i'm not much of an extremist.

Posted by: 231 | August 8, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

2 fungo bats and a bag of used balls might fetch Andruw Jones....uh...don't tell Jimbo...he might fall for it...ouch.

Posted by: SC Nats Fan | August 8, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to note, for the record, that the Nats have increased their odds for winning the division and making it to the playoffs (from 0.0 to 0.1).

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/standings

Let's not get to excited, though!

Posted by: Patty | August 8, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

*too excited

Posted by: Patty | August 8, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

@GRIP

Until recently, Can O'Kearns wasn't one of those runners on base for Flores to drive in.

Posted by: leetee1955 | August 8, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

new post

Posted by: new post | August 8, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

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