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Shawn Hill: Out for season; will visit Dr. Andrews tomorrow

Just as part of the standard housekeeping, one media member today asked Manny Acta about the progress of pitcher Shawn Hill, who was due to return (after recovering from a long, mysterious forearm injury) in mid-September.

Acta's response, when asked about Hill.

"He's done."

Done for the season.

Hill, who was in Viera, Fla., working on a rehab/pitching program, felt elbow soreness and swelling -- a setback that ends this arduous comeback attempt and, frankly, puts his future with the team in doubt. GM Jim Bowden said he's "concerned" for Hill's career. Hill hasn't pitched for the Nats this year since June 24 -- he was shut down after that, and ordered onto a program of rest and rehab; no surgery -- but now, the team is terming this a new injury.

Tomorrow, Hill will be examined by Dr. James Andrews in Pensacola, Fla.

"This is a new injury to our knowledge," Bowden said. "Again, I'll wait for Dr. Andrews to really give us the report."

Here is an excerpt from the Q&A session with many Acta today.

You have to feel for Hill, who's never really learned the root cause of all the pain in his pitching arm. Now, Acta is talking about him in the same breath as John Patterson. Not good at all.


Q: Update on Shawn Hill?

He's done. He took a step back in his rehab where he was having a little soreness on his forearm and in the elbow area, and he's going to be seen by Dr. [James] Andrews again.

Q: How mysterious is this injury? Nobody can really find the problem

Mysterious. I mean, I'm not going to go into details at medical stuff, but it is mysterious - the fact that you do get MRIs and all that stuff and it's supposed to be strong and he still feels pain there.

Q: The step back was what, in particular?

Soreness. He was doing very well throughout the whole throwing program, and just a couple days ago he felt soreness in that area again.

Q: How far along was he before that?

He had already thrown a bullpen (session).

Q: Just from a personal standpoint, having seen Shawn and what he looks like at his best, how bad do you feel about what he's going through now?

I have felt bad for him for the last four years, because, I mean, even since we were in Montreal, this guy has been battling injuries. I hope he overcomes all this. You know, you're always going to wonder what he could have done if he had stayed healthy and what kind of pitcher, what kind of impact he could have made. Because some of us that saw Hill when he was healthy pitching and on his game, he looked like a pretty solid No. 3 guy on a winning ballclub.

Q: So next year, you can't really count on him being ready to perform. How do you handle that?

We handle that the same way we did this spring and last year with him and Patterson. We didn't go in there counting on them. If they were fine, it was a bonus, but we were prepared. That's why we brought all those guys to camp.

By Chico Harlan  |  August 28, 2008; 6:36 PM ET
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Oh man. My man Shawn out. Damm.

Posted by: charlie | August 28, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Just a reminder to do as I do and ignore him.
Posted by: O's Exec's Mom | August 28, 2008 4:05 PM

Exactly, OEM: Never argue with an idiot...they drag you down to their level, and then they win with their experience.

Posted by: Jim B | August 28, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Never would have guessed that in a million years.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse




Where is this coming from?!? and Zims doubled, Lastings WALKED!

Is Jupiter out of place?

Posted by: NattyDelite! | August 28, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Professional at-bats there, ladies and gentlemen..... 'Cept for Mr. Dukes.... He really needs to learn to be patient.

Like young Master Harris there, drawing a walk.

Posted by: cat daddy | August 28, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Should we just avoid the Christmas rush and "Patterson" Mr. Hill right now?

Posted by: TimDz | August 28, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

in re Boni:

Rizzo again:
... He's left-side dominant right now, and he's still a work-in-progress with the right hand.

He hits lefty 40-50 points above righty.

Posted by: Jim B | August 28, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

231 / re angelshunt for middle infielders. LDO, correct me, but they are pretty high on Sean Rodriguez, and if Brandon Wood is healthy, I'd imagine he'll get a call. I doubt Guz would be trade bait b/c he's signed for next year. The 3 recent MI acquisitions we just made are unlikely to get flipped because both Wood and Rodriguez are better than our trio.

If I were to guess a trade target for them, Alberto Callaspo might be one. Came up with Aybar but pushed aside by Kendrick.

Posted by: PTBNL | August 28, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

So he's still day to day right?

Posted by: Sactown | August 28, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

At least one of the local teams is making our hearts glad. Lannan looks great, Belli, Guz and Elijah look great, Zim looks great, and OUR HOME TEAM who give us the privilege of watching the most difficult sport played at the highest level! SWEEEEEEEEEET!

Posted by: flynnie | August 28, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

my comment was more tongue in cheek, PTBNL, but your point is taken. i'm surprised they're even looking for someone with wood on deck, to be honest. but i'm guessing they want some experience.

Posted by: 231 | August 28, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, 231. When I skim through back comments in my catch up mode, I miss the obvious sometimes.

Posted by: PTBNL | August 28, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Are we really gonna sweep the Dodgers? Isn't getting swept by us a firing offense?

Posted by: SF Fan | August 28, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

w t f us wrong with don sutton. did he just say "i'm almost emarrassed to admit the dodgers don't have a hit since the first inning."
hello. youre the nats announcer. why are you embarrassed to admit that the nats have finally done something good.
am i missing something here?
and old bob carpenter cant go 1 innint without giggling like a little schoolgirl.
man i cant stand these posers.

Posted by: dk | August 28, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

What a great night! The Nats look awesome, there's so much to be hopeful for and most of it is a very young hope! It feels real good for the future.

And, the reports are that at 10 pm there will be something else to be excited about too. Now, I know we don't do politics on this blog and I love that about this place.

At 10, though, a black man will be nominated by a major party (one that started a war to preserve slavery!) to be President of the United States of America. Not everyone here is going to vote for him and I'd be kinda disappointed if everyone did, because it would mean not everyone's thinking about what is best for their conception of the right course, but is it no EXTREMELY awesome to be alive for this?

I mean, centuries from now, kids are going to have to read about this for school projects and we get to watch it with our own eyes. And just forty-five years after another man had a dream.

And, ah, let's hope our dream for another World Series in Washington doesn't take quite so long.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | August 28, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Millidge is about to start a fight with someone. Just watch.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Dr. Andrews may as well open an office in the Nationals club house.

Posted by: leetee1955 | August 28, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

We are up 7-2! Against the 2d place team in the West! Who swept us at Chavez Ravine! We are about to make them look just like the Redskins - 3 and out! Thirsty for victory, D.C.? Turn the channel to baseball!

Posted by: flynnie | August 28, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Why would he fight someone when we're up 8-2? Is the TV showing something? cuz nothing (of course) get through MLB gameday...

Posted by: SF Fan | August 28, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

506 - I never thought I'd live to see it -same goes for the Nats sweeping the Dodgers!

Posted by: flynnie | August 28, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see some very clutch hitting, and Lannan the Ace (after the 1st)...

Welcome back Elijah, you were missed...

Posted by: cat daddy | August 28, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Also, Brainwashed Sheinin who said there were real questions about whether Dukes was a real ballplayer...


Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | August 28, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

MASN caught some of Milledge's verbal reaction when he was plunked on the forearm. As the camera followed Milledge, you could see some stunned patricians in the Presidents box. I doubt they get much of that action at the country club.

Wow, Dukes just hit his second homer. No doubt about that one.

231- Without blathering on about LAA, the Angels are looking for a short term, experienced stop gap for little cost. Scioscia has never been one to ride the slumps of an inexperienced player and while it would be great to see Wood (just coming off a huge power tear at AAA) play in low leveraged games, its not preferable to Scioscia (Wood was just recalled with Kendricks injury, so maybe thats the move). Aybar & Itzturis are team controlled next year so no big $ or long term commitements needed.

6-4-2 is an Angels/Dodgers blog I follow. Their not so high on the Dodgers right now. Not much west coast love for the Nationals.

Posted by: Los Doce Ocho | August 28, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Ahem indeed, Section 506 (Before moving) I posted my welcome back to Mr. Dukes before his latest at bat... 2 homers, 4 rbi, 3 runs scored...

Ooh, Mock struck out Manny.
Mock struck out Kent.
...and recovers to get Blake.

[SF Fan, it may be in reference to getting HBP two nights in a row]

Posted by: cat daddy | August 28, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: natsinthevalley | August 28, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Guzman hits for the Cycle!! Lets go NATS.

Posted by: Sec 204 Row K Seat 11 | August 28, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I don't know the small print on 40 man rosters so someone bail me out if I'm wrong here.

Shawn Hill is on the 40 man roster but the 15 man DL. Moving him to the 60 day DL effectively opens a roster spot on the 40 man roster to bring someone up Sept 1 and also protect them from the Rule 5 draft.

Will the Nats do it?

The only question I dont understand is will Hill have to be reinstated to the 40 man roster once the season ends like the 15 day DL guys or can he still be roster protected on the 60 day DL in the offseason?

Guzman just hit for the cycle. Cool. I doubt the Vegas odds on that were 2 to 1.

Posted by: Los Doce Ocho | August 28, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Guzman and Dukes are both currently in the top 2 spots for ESPN's top performers. Doubt the Vegas odds on that were 2 to 1 too.

Posted by: Los Doce Ocho | August 28, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Natosphere -

Which is more exciting?

Tonights game with Guzie's cycle and Dukes' triumphant return.


The 15-6 drubbing of atlanta.


Posted by: natsinthevalley | August 28, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to hear that about Hill. Seems like he's been under an injury cloud - and he is so good when healthy.

I am soooo jealous of those who were there - seeing Guze hit for the cycle. Hope that he got a curtain call. Also hope that they aren't able to erase Dave's rendition of "Nuts About the Nats" from the archives - classic! Dave said that they should replace "Hail to the Redskins," as it didn't seem to be working. Charlie said that some of their staff should sneak into FedEx Field and tune all of the televisions and radios to the Nats broadcast in order to boost ratings. :D

Posted by: natsfan1a | August 28, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

I'd go for the game with the cycle all the way, NitV.

Posted by: natsfan1a | August 28, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Los Doce Ocho, I read a blog post that all players have to be removed from the DL, 15 days after the World Series. So yeah, Shawn would be exposed to the Rule 5 draft if he wasn't on the 40 man roster. Considering his injury history, I doubt that would be much of a gamble if the Nats really need to protect someone else.

What a game! What a team!
Tonight, natsinthevalley.....

Posted by: cat daddy | August 28, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

It can be a firing offense, sf. Hope it's not so for Torre - he seems like a stand-up guy.

Posted by: natsfan1a | August 28, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Although I love seeing this team win, we are now only 1.5 games ahead in the Strasburg Sweepstakes. Season's over anyway, so it makes it so hard rooting for this team to pull out a string of wins knowing that if we do we most likely go ahead of the Mariners or Padres.

Posted by: Jason | August 28, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Jason, if it'll make you feel any better, scan through this and see if you notice some pretty good guys showing up lower in the list. And most who made it were drafted by someone else.
And, Lannan was drafted in the 11th round (324th overall) of the 2005 Major League Baseball draft.

Posted by: cat daddy | August 28, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I'd be less disappointed if the Nats land pick #2 or #3 than not signing Crow. The draft is still too much of a crap shoot.

The last college pitcher to receive the same type of Strasburg hype was Mark Prior. MIN bypassed him in favor of more signable, home town boy Mauer, but still, Prior was THE pitching prospect over the last 10 years.

Posted by: Los Doce Ocho | August 28, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, and these guys didn't make it until the 2nd round of the '84 draft.

Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine, the chicks dig the long ball guys...

Posted by: cat daddy | August 28, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Exactly, LDO. Lotsa hype= lotsa dollars and no guarantees. I say screw all Boras clients. Let them be someone else's headache. Maybe pick a bat instead.

Posted by: cat daddy | August 28, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

NITV -- Tonite --- because it was at HOME!!!!

Posted by: masnstinks | August 28, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Great showing tonight. It's a reminder that when they're really healthy, the Nats have a decent lineup.

With that in mind, one has to hope that the doctors can properly diagnose what's wrong with Hill. They failed to help Patterson, and they completely missed with Cordero earlier this year. It's obvious there has been something wrong with Shawn's elbow, even if the so-called "experts" can't figure it out. I have my own theories -- based on my own experience with forearm pain -- that it's a repetitive motion injury unrelated to pitching. If I were Hill, I'd lay off bicep curls, video games and the computer...and get regular massages of the entire area.

If the Nats can get a No. 1 type starter like Hill can be, I'm pretty hopeful about what the team can achieve in the next year or two.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | August 28, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Come on over!

Posted by: New Post | August 29, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Is there any concern in the Nats organization about how many pitchers are blowing their arms? Let's see- Patterson, Cordero, Zach Day, and now Hill. I'm sure I am probably missing someone.

Did they expect any changes when Hill pitches with the same delivery that got him injured in the first place? Isn't that the definition of madness?

Dr. Andrews is good at operating, but does he help prevent injuries? I can't believe the Lerner's aren't investigating this.

Posted by: Cal | August 29, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Cal, name 2 teams that haven't lost pitchers to injuries.
I mean, ever. In history.

Posted by: OK, just one, then. | August 29, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

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