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Thoughts on Crow, and not for the last time

This is no science, I know, but I'm getting the sense that blame in the Crow debacle is very evenly divided. We're putting this to the test. Any poll about the Nationals' decision not to meet Aaron Crow's demands can be stretched into a far more nuanced framework, but we're gonna keep it simple. Two options. Take whatever rationale you want for selecting.

By the way, I'll have more from Bowden - much more - regarding Crow in a little bit.

Today's lineups

Colorado

Barmes - 4
Taveras - 8
Holliday - 7
Atkins - 3
Hawpe - 9
Tulowitzki - 6
Torrealba - 2
Stewart - 5
Hernandez - 1

Washington

Bonifacio - 4
Harris - 7
Zimmerman - 5
Milledge - 8
Kearns - 9
Flores - 2
Belliard - 6
Casto - 3
Lannan - 1

By Chico Harlan  |  August 16, 2008; 4:38 PM ET
 
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Comments

Wasting a top-10 pick over less than a million dollars seems kind of silly considering that this franchise got a $611 stadium from taxpayers, and considering that they've wasted millions on fringe veterans over the past couple of years while not even trying to sign premium free agents. I guess its the Lerners' money but I don't see any real reason to come to the ballpark or follow the team anytime soon.

Posted by: Mike (Arlington) | August 16, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

but I don't see any real reason to come to the ballpark or follow the team anytime soon.
Posted by: Mike (Arlington) | August 16, 2008 5:04 PM

people are still following this joke? youre kidding-- right?

Posted by: dk | August 16, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

While the blame may be subject to debate...what is not is that the Nationals wasted A LOT of time and money scouting, negotiating etc. with Crow AND have lost at least 10 months (depending on how fast next years 9B signs...or doesn't) development time.

Posted by: Still Missing Florida. | August 16, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

So what was Bowden doing when the Hendricks Bros supposedly didn't give him a number until this Tuesday? Was he doing anything while Mark Lerner was talking to Boz and Chico last month about "ridiculous" bonus demands? Are we supposed to understand that Lerner wasn't even referring to Crow, since Bowden didn't get a demand until this week?

In my mind this is on Bowden, with a bit of Lerner cheapness mixed in. He managed this process horribly to end up only $700k apart at the deadline. Never should have happened. It does take two, but clearly the Hendricks Bros wanted to make a deal.

Posted by: Coverage is lacking | August 16, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Still Missing Florida nailed it.

How can Nats scouts feel about this? I'd quit.

Posted by: Andrew Stebbins | August 16, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I wish Manny would move Harris back into the lead-off spot and take a little pressure off Bonifacio.

Posted by: lowcountry | August 16, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

...but clearly the Hendricks Bros wanted to make a deal.

Posted by: Coverage is lacking | August 16, 2008 5:12 PM

You bet they did. They would have taken 9 million dollars until 11:40 Friday night.
Do you call that wanting to make a deal?
Do you think that twenty minutes is seriously enough time to negotiate a difference that wide? That is the most assinine negotiating that I have heard of on the part of an agent that wants to make a deal. If they were truly serious about negotiating off of 9 million don't you think they could have started the process a few hours earlier so some real horse trading would have taken place? I think in the end the Hendricks just wanted to throw the midnight figure out as a way of saving face for themselves.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 16, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, that was me in the above post. I hate Anonymous.

Posted by: Dale | August 16, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Dale has it.....Crow did not want to be a National......can you blame him? Look at Lanan’s record.....he would never win here.....He might well have a 3.50 ERA in 2009 and have a 2-15 record.....Nats are going to have to overpay to crawl out of the huge whole they have dug for them selves.

Oh and Chico....the pole as worded means nothing at all.....waste of everyone’s time.....how appropriate for the the topic really.

Posted by: JayB | August 16, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

just want everyone to keep in mind who is telling Crow's side of the story here.

Randy Hendricks.

aka the man behind Roger Clemens' steroid defense.

think about that.

Posted by: MrMadison | August 16, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Right you are, Mr. M.

Posted by: natsfan1a | August 16, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Oh and Chico....the pole as worded means nothing at all.....waste of everyone’s time.....how appropriate for the the topic really.

Posted by: poll | August 16, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I think if we go back and look at Stan Kasten's remarks yesterday before the game you see that Crow was not negotiating in good faith. Stan was clearly pissed off that Crow was trying to put the team over the barrel, to continue asking for 8-9 mil after Matusz (sp?) had signed is absolutely crazy. Refusing to come visit the new stadium and signing a contract with Ft. Worth and then showing up in their dugout a few nights ago?

This can't all go on the scouts either, what was Rizzo supposed to say "Plus fast ball, but don't drop the soap in the shower?"

It is NOT in baseball's interest to let players decide who they will and will not play for, it will destroy competitiveness if instead of drafting for talent teams have to draft for signability, as I said earlier, why not scrap the whole draft and make players FA out of HS or whenever, works in the D.R. right (wait, no....).

Finally, forget the Lerner's are cheap crap, it's not like the Lerners are paying these guys out of their own pockets...they borrowed the money to buy the team and the salaries for the players (and everyone else) is coming from operating profits, which means Crow wasn't trying to take Mark Lerner's money, he was tring to take OURS! I'm all for paying a player a fair (even in sports/entertainment dollars) wages, but I don't want to be put over the barrel any more that Stan does.

Posted by: estuartj | August 16, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

The strategy the Hendrick's tried, was setting an unrealistic start point like 9 million, and then at the last second swoop in and give a more realistic number but still be 700K to 1 million more then the Nats were willing to offer.

Their hope was that the team would pay to save face with the frustrated fan base. In this high stakes game, the real looser is Crow, who walked away from millions. Maybe he will get what he wants next year, but in the end this is about being a successful pro ball player, not get the biggest signing bonus. He has put his pro career off a year.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 16, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

>I wish Manny would move Harris back into the lead-off spot and take a little pressure off Bonifacio.<

I hope he doesn't hang himself. But then again, it's beyond whatever we think. Way beyond. If he really wanted to be productive, he could take the Rod Carew approach and bunt .260, the way Rodney used to when he was injured. I think Bonafacio would have a shot at doing that. Yeah, it's unorthodox, but if he's going to continue to hit right-handed especially, then it's going to have to be unorthodox imo.

Posted by: Brue | August 16, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

post.

Posted by: New | August 16, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

On the heels of so many suspect free agent signings this debacle is truly disheartening. When are these guys planning to field a competitive team? 3 years? 5 years? This is not a team that is 1 or 2 free agents away from being competitive. The core is not solid. Outside of Zim and a couple of the pitchers I really do not see any legit major league talent. I have owned season tickets since day 1, and I have never seen so little that is positive. It is not just losing out on Crow - who clearly is a jerk and miscalculated badly - it is the lack of intelligent free agents, good trades and young talent coming up. Every non-Nationals generated analysis of the farm system seems to indicate an improved but unimpressive collection of middling talent. This is Bowden's 3rd draft. Most teams start to see talent bubble up at this point. This accumulation of poor performance has got to seal Bowden's fate. He has got to go.

Posted by: 117 F | August 16, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Looking at the current poll results, it would seem that the blame as assigned by NJ posters is not so evenly divided (and that evidently the naysayers are more vocal).

Posted by: natsfan1a | August 17, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

I think Crow didn't want to play for this franchise.

Posted by: the truth | August 17, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

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