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Nader on Nats

The old "First in war, first in peace, last place in the American League" axiom -- the famous, pejorative one-liner that's long-branded baseball in DC -- no longer applies. And yeah, that's mostly because DC's team now plays in the NL. But it's also because Ralph Nader, just when you thought he was destined to run a presidential campaign without leaving a single footprint, has come along with a Nats-related witticism to trump the old one.

I'll excerpt several paragraphs from the bottom of this Politico article, which had nothing whatsoever to do with baseball, until Nader brought it up.

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Nader, 74, is in the midst of his fourth bid for the White House; he ran in 1996 and every election cycle since then. As in his previous campaigns, he has struggled to gain traction with the electorate and has expressed frustration at limited media attention to his campaign.

"Our main problem is the uniquely pronounced blackout by national TV," Nader said, adding that television networks had devoted 10 seconds of news coverage to his campaign. "This is not journalistically sustainable."

Nader recounted a recent meeting with editors at The Washington Post, who he said told him the paper wasn't covering his campaign because he had no chance of winning. According to Nader, he replied: "Then why are you covering the Nationals?" a reference to Washington's long-suffering baseball team.

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Anyway, we've got the final game against the Mets tonight.

The morning reading:

Gamer about yesterday's 9-7 loss.

Notebook, which leads with a look at Austin Kearns' injury.

And the '09 schedule.

Finally, and here's a link to Nader's Web site. So long as the Nats keep getting the top-of-SportsCenter treatment -- and they will, until NY leaves town -- it only seems fair to help others escape the obscurity, too.

By Chico Harlan  |  September 18, 2008; 8:02 AM ET
 
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Nader thus aspires to recieve as much media coverage as the Nationals, but unlike the Nationals will have absolutely no impact on the contest he thinks he is in.

Posted by: NatBisquit | September 18, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Take that, CIL!

Posted by: We could use more though | September 18, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

He is clearly out of touch. If he wants national attention, it should be “lowly Nationals”.

Posted by: ChrisC | September 18, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Why does Ralph assume the Post does cover the Nats? They have a beat writer who occaisionally goes to the games, but didn't last night.

Posted by: Ira | September 18, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

I got newposted, but it is more appropriate here anyway.

Now they are "the lowly Nationals" in the hometown paper? Unbelieveable. Chico, please tell Marc Carig to suck it. Better yet, invite him to the next NJ get-together and I'm sure some of us will be happy to tell him ourselves.

Posted by: Coverage is lacking | September 18, 2008 8:26 AM

Posted by: Coverage is lacking | September 18, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Good one, NatB! (but introducing politics to a baseball blog is a slippery slope, Chico)

Posted by: natsfan1a | September 18, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I hadn't noticed the "lowly Nationals" until now but good point. hmmm, it *was* that other team's beat reporter...you know, the team that recently clinched on finishing with a losing record for the 11th consecutive season...the AL's longest stretch of futility...

(disclaimer: ellipses in this comment indicate pregnant pauses rather than omitted words)

Posted by: natsfan1a | September 18, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Nader would do much better if he'd run with Andruw Jones.

Posted by: ntr Boz | September 18, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Does this mean you'll come to the next NJ get together, CiL?

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | September 18, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

"ellipses in this comment indicate pregnant pauses rather than omitted words"

I'm freaked out!

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | September 18, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

On the schedule -- the real highlights on the schedule are that the Nats play at home again on Father's Day and July 4.

Also, they play at home on several Sunday afternoons of long holiday weekends with the Monday holiday like Memorial Day and Labor Day.

Posted by: Ryan | September 18, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Sure I will 506, if I'm free. I would have come to the last one but I had a conflict as I was headed to NY for the All Star game.

Posted by: Coverage is lacking | September 18, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

The Post has deleted "lowly" from the online gamer. Hilarious.

Posted by: mojo | September 18, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

They should have replaced "lowly" with an ellipse instead.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | September 18, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Are there day games during the week?

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | September 18, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else catch or appreciate the humor in Chico's last line from the chat yesterday:

"(That said, doesn't the Nats' font bring to mind the Fuddruckers logo?) Hey, it's been on my mind."

I thought that was hysterical and really, he's right. See for yourself:

http://www.entreesontrays.com/Fudruckers.gif
http://www.msmary.edu/bin/n/j/Nationals%20logo.jpg

It's like whoever designed the Nats logo used the Fudruckers logo as a template. Good stuff Chico!

Posted by: MKevin | September 18, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Good question, S506(BM). Some of the away games have times, but no home games do. It will be interesting to find out.
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Are there day games during the week?

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | September 18, 2008 9:25 AM

Posted by: Section 138 | September 18, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Long suffering?

Posted by: prophet | September 18, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

If the Post is going to start calling the local nine the Lowly Nationals on a daily basis, shouldn't the Nationals counter by referring to the newspaper as the Lowly Post? (I would suggest that the Lerners change that ad on the big scoreboard to read The Lowly Post, but all the posters here who aren't RKGF/419+1 would just counter that the Lerners are too cheap to ever do that - or at least not until Ryan Zimmerman walks, along with his excessive salary demands.)

And would Nader's first act as president be to rename the local flight facility Ronald Reagan Lowly Nationals Airport? If so, all the posters here who are really RKGF/419+1 would probably vote for him.

Posted by: RKGF/419+1 moved to Lowly, but still you guys can't move past him | September 18, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I nominate Eli Saslow for Sports Editor of The Lowly Post.

Posted by: another poster who's really RKGF/419+1 | September 18, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

http://www.bobbar2008.com

Libertarians FTW

Posted by: If that's the case | September 18, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

You know, a number of posters on this blog have been advocating that over the off-season the Nats should become the Lowe-ly Nationals.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | September 18, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

"You know, a number of posters on this blog have been advocating that over the off-season the Nats should become the Lowe-ly Nationals.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | September 18, 2008 10:15 AM "


Posted by: i'm really RKGF/419+1 and i approved this message | September 18, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Will the real me please stand up?

Posted by: RKG/419+1?? | September 18, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

So is this gonna be a once-every-two-years kinda thing, when in the year the Nats play the Red Sox and Yankees, they alternate between playing one team at home and one on the road? I sure hope so.

Posted by: Juan-John | September 18, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

What I really want to say about Ralph Nader is unprintable, but I want to credit the Post for sticking a much-deserved thumb in his eye.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 18, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

"So is this gonna be a once-every-two-years kinda thing, when in the year the Nats play the Red Sox and Yankees, they alternate between playing one team at home and one on the road? I sure hope so."

No. It will be once every three years. That's how interleague play works. The Nats played the AL East in 2006 and will play them again in 2009. 2007 was the AL Central, so presumably 2010 will be too. 2008 was the AL West, and that will happen again in 2011. Except that there are always screwy things thrown into the schedule, like playing the AL Central Twins both last year and this year, and both times on the road to boot. Of course the Nats play the Orioles home and home every year, since they're our "natural rival". (Although it feels like we play the O's every game, doesn't it, thanks to those bozos who yell "O" during the anthem...)

Posted by: and thanks to sweet caroline we play the red sox all the time too | September 18, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Will the real me please stand up?

Posted by: RKG/419+1?? | September 18, 2008 10:36 AM

Posted by: i cannot tell a lie. it's not me. | September 18, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

i cannot tell a lie. it's not me.

Posted by: George, is that you? | September 18, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

At least the Nats win a third of the games they play. When has Nader even won a third of the votes cast in an election?

Posted by: Lindemann | September 18, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

i cannot tell a lie. it's not me.

Posted by: George, is that you? | September 18, 2008 10:58 AM

Yes, in addition to making every post on this blog not signed Lerners ARE Cheap, RKGF/419+1 is the guy inside all of the Racing President costumes.

Posted by: that's why no one ever posts here during the main event | September 18, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Eli Saslow is still in hiding since his wife humiliated him in the Sunday magazine.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Saslow's wife. You can find him in the Phillies clubhouse. You just need to figure out what city they're playing in tonight.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"At least the Nats win a third of the games they play. When has Nader even won a third of the votes cast in an election?"

I don't know, but he did at least manage to drive way more than a third of the Corvairs ever made off the road.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Look, the Nats have lost 94 games. That's more losses than the Angels have wins. That, my friends, is lowly. And when a team in earnest competition for a playoff spot loses to such a team, fans should and do scratch their heads at how their team could lose to the lowly Nats.

It doesn't mean they have to be lowly in their own home paper. But still, it's not like it was an outright fabrication.

Posted by: John in Mpls | September 18, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

@and thanks to:

Thanks. Didn't realize there was actual logic to what MLB does. I just figured the schedulers did a version of fifty-two pick-up.

Posted by: Juan-John | September 18, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and here's hoping the Nats reach an agreement with the Cedar Rapids Kernals.

Posted by: John in Mpls | September 18, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

In hopes of restarting yesterday's conversation about the off-season plans here is the off-season outlook from mlbtr.com;

"The Nats have about $40MM committed for '09 before arbitration raises. After that they could be around $45MM (mainly due to Zimmerman and Redding). The Nats entered the '08 season at $55MM, so they can add a few free agents without increasing payroll.

Odalis Perez was a nice signing for around a million bucks; the Nats should re-sign him at a small increase or attempt to find a similar veteran to stabilize the rotation (they pursued Bartolo Colon last year). Beyond that, they can just let guys fight it out. Hill will try to stay healthy, Bergmann has potential (he was recently removed from the rotation). Prospect Jordan Zimmermann looks interesting and nearly ready. Redding could have value on the trade market, but there's no rush to deal him.

Young and Kearns are the team's worst contracts, and they'll be near-impossible to move. If everyone's healthy next year, hopefully Manny Acta will ensure regular playing time for Dukes and Milledge. Pena may choose to stick around for $2MM.

The bullpen is questionable, but it'd be best not to spend significant money there for a team not expected to compete. Big-name free agents in general would be a mistake. Last year the Nationals pursued Torii Hunter and Andruw Jones; neither would've been a good signing for them. Hopefully Jim Bowden won't become too obsessed with Adam Dunn this winter (assuming Bowden keeps his job). Dunn doesn't fit on this team. They're in the beginning of a long rebuilding process."

The more I look at things and especially given the offensive resurgence since we've been able to play at least 3 of our 4 core players (Dukes, Millege, Zimmerman & Flores) full time, I think this team will stand pat on position players. Despite Jim Bowden's talk of not going into '09 with DY & NJ as our only 1b options I don't think the team will invest more big money on the position (they already owe almost $11M to those to for '09), if they can find another outfielder who can play 1B too maybe, but as stated above, please not Adam Dunn...

Anyway, I DO think it would be worthwhile, and indeed should be the top and perhaps ONLY goal of the team to sign a top flight SP, if we need to pay a premium to make a real run at Sabathia or take a chance on a full term of years on Sheets (despite his injury concerns) or maybe the likes of Burkett or Lowe. Anyway the team needs a top flight SP, and unlike 1B, you can never have too many. Rather than get another stop gap like O.Perez or keeping Redding we need to upgrade at least one slot in the rotation while developing the existing "kids" like Balester, Lannan & Martis and Zimmerman. In fact a rotation of those 4 behind Sheets sounds pretty good.

They don't need to do it via FA either, does anyone know a top starter that is headed to FA after '09 that we might pick up for their contract year (ala Soriano)?

Posted by: estuartj | September 18, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

The Nats ARE lowly

Posted by: You can put lipstick on a pig | September 18, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I appreciate the sentiment estuartj, but it looks like more of the same. Break out those rose-tinted glasses people, cause '09 us going to be ugly too.

Posted by: 756* | September 18, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I want to see a real move at Teixiera. They don't need to sign him, but let's go after him at let everyone know it. We're not just fooling around here, we want to make it for real.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | September 18, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, 756*, does that make you feel good?

"Ahhh, I just posted something extremely gloomy - one might say Eeyore-esque - anonymously on a blog on the internet that did nothing more than try to kill a legitimate conversation starter."

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | September 18, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Nader just lost my vote. That now leaves him with fewer votes than the Nats have wins. Who is the lowlier? The lowly or the lowly who compare themselves to the lowly?

Posted by: joNAThan | September 18, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

"I want to see a real move at Teixiera. They don't need to sign him, but let's go after him at let everyone know it. We're not just fooling around here, we want to make it for real."

What good would making a move at Teixiera but not signing him do over not even bothering to go after him? Would letting everyone know that they made a move for him put more butts in the seats? Not likely. The real Manny Ramirez really playing in Nationals Park didn't bring any extra fans in, so why would the knowledge that Teixiera could have been there, but won't, do it? And certainly making an unsuccessful move at Teixiera isn't going to win the Nats any more games, is it? What, it's gonna inspire the players that do end up here to play better knowing that the team lost out on Teixera?

RKGF/419+1 and LAC would have to agree that your comment was one of the dumbest ever made here on this blog, at least during the Chico Harlan administration anyway.

Posted by: they reached across the aisle and found agreement. how bipartisan of them. | September 18, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Next year the Nats open and close on the road and that other "Beltway" team opens and closes at home. What the?

Posted by: tin foil hat crowd | September 18, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

What's with the season opening AND closing on the road? I thought baseball officially started when the President through out the first pitch in WASHINGTON? So much for Bud Selig's sense of history.

Posted by: DAJ | September 18, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Maybe if 506 had used some ellipses his comment would have made sense.

Posted by: RKGF/419+1....Lerners ARE Cheap | September 18, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Yet another reason to hate Ralph Nader.

Posted by: hb | September 18, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, 756*, does that make you feel good?

"Ahhh, I just posted something extremely gloomy - one might say Eeyore-esque - anonymously on a blog on the internet that did nothing more than try to kill a legitimate conversation starter."
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estuartj's post has the exact same Nats lineup as '08, plus a #1 starter. Whoopie!!! Did I kill the conversation or has it been killed for the past month?

Yes, I agree with estuartj. Sign a #1 pitcher. Awesome. Sign anyone! Please! But talk is cheap, and honestly, the Lerners aren't going to front the $50mil on anyone, so the whole conversation is futile. Don't you get it?

So common, now that estuartj and I advocate signing a FA pitcher, now please, 419+1 posters can now write how stupid it is to sign a FA pitcher for tons of cash when we have so and so many prospects at A and AA. Then we can argue, call it a day, and start all over again tomorrow. And then a year from now, when we're wondering why the team payroll is $50 mil and there are 15K fans at the stadium each night, we can debate whether we actually live in the nation's capitol or if it is instead Pittsburgh.

Posted by: 756* | September 18, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Since it looks like the Marlins are going to start selling parts, maybe instead of going for the FA SPs like Sabathia, Sheets, Lowe and Burkett we could follow the example from last year (when we traded for Dukes and Milledge instead of signing an Andruw Jones or Aaron Rowand - I won't even mention Torii Hunter since he wanted rings not dollars IMO) and trade for someone like Ricky Nolasco (26yo & 3.52ERA) or Scott Olsen (24yo & 4.31ERA) and try to develop them into fronline starters.

It wouldn't resolve our need for a top of the rotation starter, but for this team having 5 guys who are 2-4 level starters would be a real improvement, especially since they would all be pretty young and since very few team in the league actually have a #1 level starter, IMO that kind of designation is meaningless until you get to the playoffs and are trying to throw a top level guy at your opponent twice in a 5 game series and 3 times in a 7 game series.

Posted by: estuartj | September 18, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

or capital...

Posted by: 756* | September 18, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

"we can debate whether we actually live in the nation's capitol or if it is instead Pittsburgh."

If that happens, how will you know who I am?

Posted by: steven of squirrel hill | September 18, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

756*, my point was that IF the team is going to pursue a top talent player, then with the current salary outlays to position players (10.5+M to 1B and 9M to RF) in the last year of their contracts then it makes far more sense to go for a starting pitcher then a position player.

The organization may not be wiling to go out and spend the money necessary to really change the dynamic of this team by singing the likes of Texiera or Sabathia, but I certainly don't think they'll stand pat either.

I'm willing to assume the Lerner's are not cheap, but are just unwilling to send good money after bad and will spend money where it can do good and not just to make fans happy during the off-season, but just as miserable during the season when increased payroll doesn't lead to a significantly increased win totals.

My blueprint for The Plan going into '09 would be this, no more LoDucas, no more Estradas, no more Mackowiaks. Lets improve the team by getting younger, faster and stronger - fans will be willing and even excited to see young guys develop into winners rather than watch old guys slowly disappear. Give us more guys like Zimmermann, Martis, Balester and Lannan on the mound, more guys like Dukes, Milledge, Bonifacio, Flores and Zimmerman on the field and we'll love them as they struggle, and when they do turn it around they'll have our hearts and our minds (and all the money they could wish for).

The real test for the Lerner's isn't signing big FAs, but Barry said this a more than a few time, the test will be if they are willing to pony up the money to keep the talented players they do have once they hit arbitration, so the real test is signing Zimerman to a long term deal and then the other youngsters afer that, if they sell of the talent before they get expensive (Like FLA is about to do) then they certainly are cheap (or greedy depending on where the money is going).

Posted by: estuartj | September 18, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Oh good, I was beginning to worry that I would have to survive lunchtime without being able to read an argument tangentially related to baseball!

I'm with 506 -- I do think the Nats need to make a run at Sabathia and Teixeira. They need to offer something like 6 years and $120 million. If we get outbid, fine, but at least we've shown a willingness to spend money -- just not on guys that will be in their late-thirties by the time our 23-year olds hit their prime.

But the main thing, as always, is that "We need more Zimmermans."

Posted by: Bob L. Head | September 18, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

estuartj, I'm halfway there with you. I don't think dealing prospects for a 1-year rental is in the Plan. And I think there are more Mackowiaks in our future. That is Bowden's MO. What I would like is to stop the senseless spending on those guys for a decent power bat and/or arm. The path to contention isn't going to be like the Rays, it'll look more like 60-100, 70- 90, 81-81, 90-70. A top FA would add wins. A dependable FA pitcher would reduce the workload on young arms.

Posted by: 756* | September 18, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

"What good would making a move at Teixiera but not signing him do over not even bothering to go after him?"

Do you go to buy a car assuming that no matter what price the dealer gives you, that you're going to buy that car? No, you make an offer, slowly moving up to the point of value to you.

Sheesh. Everything has a value to you and if you ever pay more than its worth to you, then you've been ripped off.

There is an indirect benefit, and that's that making a run at a serious free agent sets a price. This is the caliber that the Nats are looking for and this is what they're willing to pay right now. Again, when you go to buy a car, do you not tell the dealer that you're looking elsewhere for negotiating purposes?

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | September 18, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

6 years, $120 mil sounds right to me, too, Bob. For Lowe, make it 4, $72 mil.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | September 18, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Did anybody else read Ladson's insightful article entitled "2009 Should be Exciting for Nationals"? It's pretty high on the unintentional comedy scale. For example, Ladson notes that the Nationals will, in fact, play all four of the other teams in the NL East! Imagine that!

Also, he writes, "Thanks to Interleague Play, the Nationals will face their natural rival, the Orioles, six times, with each club hosting three games." How novel!

I can hardly wait.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | September 18, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I got suckered into that Ladson column too. The title made me think there actually might be some insightful look into how the lineup might stack up, what FA's they may be pursuing, what the teams' needs might be, etc. That's 5 minutes of my life I'll never get back.

Posted by: MKevin | September 18, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"Did anybody else read Ladson's insightful article entitled "2009 Should be Exciting for Nationals"? "

Nah. I'm gonna wait for Lerners ARE Cheap's sequel entitled "But the Lerners Will Find Some Cheap-O Way to F*** It Up."

Posted by: i'm RKGF/419+1 and you're not | September 18, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

756*, we didn't give up prospect to get Soriano or Milledge. I'm not sure we have pieces to get another deal like those done, but perhaps...we did sell a prospect to get Dukes, but that was such a lopsidded deal (as long as Dukes remains out of jail anyway) it isn't fair to use it in comparison with other potential deals. This is the one part of having JimBow as GM that I do like, he's very creative - I bet Kasten has to put the leash on him to keep him from doing all kinds of crazy deals. Hopefully Stan can focus his zeal on more deals like Milledge and Dukes and fewer "Blockbusters" like the 8 player swap-o-rama with Cincy.

Posted by: estuartj | September 18, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Bob L.: And Zimmermanns, too!

Posted by: Ira | September 18, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

It's December, 2007.

Jim Bowden: "I just want to let you all know that I'm about to seal a deal with the New York Mets. I will acquire their best young prospect in exchange for Brian Schneider and Ryan Church."

The Constituency: "AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"

With Omar Minaya in the world, who knows what value we might have.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | September 18, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but Alfonso Soriano was traded to the Nationals for Brad Wilkerson, Terrmel Sledge and a minor league pitcher, Armando Galarraga (http://tinyurl.com/4d7wur).

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756*, we didn't give up prospect to get Soriano or Milledge.
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Posted by: estuartj | September 18, 2008 1:05 PM

Posted by: ce | September 18, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

506 - I still just wish we had sent Kearns to NYM instead of Church, we could use that lefty bat it would be much easier to upgrade our corner OF slot opposite Dukes if we didn't have that $9M albatross of a contract for Kearns...

Posted by: estuartj | September 18, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry, estuartj, I'm confident Minaya would trade someone amazing for Kearns. It is his favorite thing to do.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | September 18, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Ira -- Agreed!

Bob L.: And Zimmermanns, too!

Posted by: Ira | September 18, 2008 1:09 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I was at the game last night but looked down when Gonzalez inexplicably took off ofr third. I look up and he's getting thrown out by 10 feet. What happened.

Posted by: NatBisquit | September 18, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

As long as today's topic is free agent targets, one pitcher who has not been mentioned much is Ryan Dempster. He'll be 32 next May. He is a type A free agent, but that would only cost us a 2d round pick, and on August, 15, we upgraded our second pick in the '09 draft!* Why I think this is at all possible is because of the Cubs sale situation. They may not be able to commit big bucks to Dempster without an approved new owner, and the current owner may not want to commit big bucks to him. He is about 5 years younger than Lowe (who I like a lot). Not a bad injury history - nothing significant since elbow surgery in '04. I'm not sure if I would not prefer him to Sheets, given Sheets injuries.

I do think there is a purpose to resigning Perez at a slight bump up, along with offering Redding arbitration. I would Martis or Zimmermann (or Bergmann) to push out of the way the ## 4 & 5 starters and not have any slot conceded to them. It also is likely that we will go through 8 or so starters, so having M & Z start the year in Syracuse / Las Vegas is not bad.

Dempster or Lowe / Lannan / Balester / Redding / Perez would be OK by me, with Bergmann longmann.

*I'm available if anyone is looking for spin this election season.

Posted by: PTBNL | September 18, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

"I would [want] Martis or Zimmermann (or Bergmann) to push out of the way the ## 4 & 5 starters and not have any slot conceded to them."

Posted by: PTBNL's editor | September 18, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"I was at the game last night but looked down when Gonzalez inexplicably took off ofr third. I look up and he's getting thrown out by 10 feet. What happened."

I was watching the whole thing and that's still something I could have said. Who knows.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | September 18, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Ummmm ... Tim Tolman was back at third last night ....

Posted by: Bob L. Head | September 18, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

In other news, I believe I read that Tolman was back from vacation last night. hmmm...

Posted by: natsfan1a | September 18, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Jinx, Bob L. Buy me a Coke! :D

Posted by: natsfan1a | September 18, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

PTBNL, now you've gone and changed the whole meaning of what you wrote with that bracketed language!

Hey, why have my ears been burning today?

Posted by: Lerners ARE Cheap | September 18, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

New post up.

Posted by: natsfan1a | September 18, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"PTBNL, now you've gone and changed the whole meaning of what you wrote with that bracketed language!"

Nah, only ellipses do that. Bracketed language just replaces where the original author said "Lerners ARE Cheap is an idiot", but does not change the meaning thereof.

Posted by: go back to mooching freebies off of people you insult, LAC | September 18, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Inre the sentiment about going after "big free agent" pitchers:

What makes you guys think that Sabathia or Sheets will WANT to play in Washington? Why would any major free agent come here right now? The ownership has stated they're building from within and has no intentions of trying to compete for several years. Why would a top end pitcher go anywhere in free agency except a contender who gives him a shot to make the playoffs immediately?

We'll be looking at the same typeB/typeC retread free agents trying to find lightning in a bottle if we decide to go that route.

I think we cut loose OPerez, resign Redding in arbitration and go into next spring training with
- Lannan, Balester and Redding as rotation locks
- Hill, MEstrada, Martis, JZimmerman, Clippard, Mock, Bergmann and Brownlie competing for 2 rotation spots.
OR
- we find next year's Kyle Lohse and the above guys all compete for the 5th starter position with the rest filling out AAA rotation. And the current Columbus rotation of O'Connor, Stammen, Kown, Bascik and Tankersly are all cut to make room.

Mock, Bergmann probably will stay/become bullpen guys. Hill has to show he's healthy or he'll get cut ala Patterson. JZimmerman may be ready to go. Martis looks like he needs one season at AAA. Clippard should be ready to go and could be our 5th starter. Brownlie probably needs a season at AAA as well.

Early predictions:
Nats: Balester, Lannan, Redding, JZimmerman, FA
AAA: Martis, Clippard, Brownlie, MEstrada and one from VanAllen, Jones, Alainz, Stammen, Kown

Posted by: Sec131 | September 18, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

For what its worth please lose the "man love" for Hill and Bergmann. Stick a fork in both of those guys, they are toast. Hill will probably be back in Canada next season and Bergmann will be teaching third grade in Jersey!

On a serious note: O'Dog Perez is looking for a two year deal (told that to Charlie last night), O'Dog unless thats a two year deal for less then 1M per your not on the Lerner-Stans radar.

Now for Sh*ts and Giggles; Nats need to take a serious look at Mike Jacobs of the Marlins. Apparently he is not happy in Fish-Land. Young guy, great bat, good glove and has a smokin-hot wife to boot. I would say a package deal might include an arm or two and maybe "willy-mo"!

Posted by: Tippy Canoe | September 18, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

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