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The Minor League Report

You must wait no longer. Courtesy of Nats PR man Bill Gluvna, here is the final, official, end-of-the-year, last-word-on-everything Minor League Report. I know Gluvna has spent an exhausting amount of time on this; in fact, he started the work of writing this document when he was 7 years old. It's 4,009 words.

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2008MinorLeagueSeasonSummary.pdf

By Chico Harlan  |  September 24, 2008; 11:23 AM ET
 
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With PUNS!

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | September 24, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Wow, that one is definitely chock full of information.

Also, just for old times' sake: Josh Smoker!

Posted by: natsfan1a | September 24, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

new posted:

Tampa stopped going after top-tier FA's after the Canseco/Boggs/etc fiasco. They were determined for the past couple of years to let their draft and player development make them a winning ballclub. How's that working out for them?

Also, back in the early '00's, the Tigers were a disgrace. Terribly run organization, worst records in the majors, yada, yada. They still got Pudge and Magglio and Kenny Rogers to sign as FA's. How'd that work out for them?

Posted by: e | September 24, 2008 12:19 PM

Posted by: e | September 24, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

@e, it's working for Tampa about as well as things have been going for the Cubs. Detroit failed to follow through with more FAs, kept the old guys, and got old fast.

Posted by: ce | September 24, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

It's been pointed out here before, but wth.
Free agents, by definition, are not young guys, and are increasingly expensive. So if you rely on them, you either:
1) have a spiraling-up payroll, replacing guys whose career is over before their contract is up with expensive new guys, at least some of whom are going to do the same thing, or
2) accept that if it works, you'll tie up your money, but be good for a while, and then bad again, and broke (and if it doesn't work, you'll tie up money and just stay bad).

If you rely solely on the draft, you'll lose players to free agency just as they, and the team, are getting good. That's OK as long as you have a wide and deep supply of new young guys, but even that is starting to get expensive as bonuses ratchet up.

But either way, you gotta spend money, because it isn't hard to find examples of teams that WIN either way, but there aren't so many examples of teams with small payrolls that draw 3 million fans every year.

Posted by: ce | September 24, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

If the Nats had signed Andruw Jones they wouldn't need a farm system.

Posted by: ntr Boz | September 24, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Tampa stopped going after top-tier FA's after the Canseco/Boggs/etc fiasco. They were determined for the past couple of years to let their draft and player development make them a winning ballclub. How's that working out for them?

Also, back in the early '00's, the Tigers were a disgrace. Terribly run organization, worst records in the majors, yada, yada. They still got Pudge and Magglio and Kenny Rogers to sign as FA's. How'd that work out for them?

Posted by: e | September 24, 2008 12:19 PM
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re: Tampa Bay
It just goes to show you that if you finish dead last (or close to it) for over a decade, you're bound to win sooner or later (or much later).

Posted by: 756* | September 24, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Oh, really?

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It just goes to show you that if you finish dead last (or close to it) for over a decade, you're bound to win sooner or later (or much later).

Posted by: 756* | September 24, 2008 1:16 PM

Posted by: every Senators team since the Hoover Administration | September 24, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

So what time is the chat, really? The Discussions page says 2:30, Chico says 2pm.

Posted by: CE | September 24, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

you all realize that if the nats sign a top free agent they would lose their top 3 draft pick right? the team that lost the player would get 1a compensation. Besides, the ted lerner wouldnt even spend a dollar on his wifes bday

Posted by: yes sir | September 24, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

you all realize that if the nats sign a top free agent they would lose their top 3 draft pick right? the team that lost the player would get 1a compensation. Besides, the ted lerner wouldnt even spend a dollar on his wifes bday
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Wrong. Picks from 1-15 are "protected". The Nats would lose their 2nd round pick if they signed a type-A free agent.

Posted by: 756* | September 24, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

First of all, a tip of my smelly cap to the poster who snuck this beauty into his/her FA analysis in the last thread: "The Lerners-are-cheap crowd will say it's because the Lerners are cheap."

Secondly, also from the last thread, would somebody please consider performing the hat voodoo suggested by PTBNL? He uses a Braves hat in his example, but I'm just as happy - maybe even happier - with a Mets or Phillies hat.

And finally, but most importantly, thank you to Bill Gluvna. The news he brings is almost as great as the way he brings it.

Henceforth, kudos for baseball puns on NJ will be referred to as Gold Gluvnas.

Posted by: John in Mpls | September 24, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

As has been stated repeatedly, if the Nats signed a premium FA, they would NOT lose their top 3 or even top 15 draft pick. They would lose their 2nd round pick instead.

Ex. see the Cubs after they signed Soriano - we got their 2nd round pick.

Posted by: VladiHondo | September 24, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Oh, really?

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It just goes to show you that if you finish dead last (or close to it) for over a decade, you're bound to win sooner or later (or much later).

Posted by: 756* | September 24, 2008 1:16 PM

Posted by: every Senators team since the Hoover Administration | September 24, 2008 1:21 PM

Posted by: See also Every Cubbies team since 1908 | September 24, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I happen to be very good friends with a long-suffering (take that Red Sox, Rays were bad forever)Tampa fan. She reports to me that things didn't start getting better until the Naimoli take over. The first five or six years was floundering, before a commitment to a Plan was made.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | September 24, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Does a *visor* work for the voodoo? I have an old Braves visor plus an old Braves tank top too. I could always the tank inside out, lay it on top of the upside down visor, and pile my 15 Nats caps on top of them. ;)

Posted by: NatsNut | September 24, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Oh, really?

********
It just goes to show you that if you finish dead last (or close to it) for over a decade, you're bound to win sooner or later (or much later).

Posted by: 756* | September 24, 2008 1:16 PM

Posted by: every Senators team since the Hoover Administration | September 24, 2008 1:21 PM


Posted by: See also Every Cubbies team since 1908 | September 24, 2008 1:44 PM
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"or much later"...

I'm not as well-versed on the Rays, but they have signed some FAs. Namely, Iwamura and Floyd. Did they trade for Pena or sign him? Regardless, they inked him to a long-term deal.

Posted by: 756* | September 24, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm not versed in voodoo, NatsNut, but I would think that a visor would work. That said, a Mets or Phillies totem would be ideal. hmmm, barring an item of official headgear, perhaps a standard baseball could be fashioned into a Mr. Met effigy? Just an idea...

Posted by: natsfan1a | September 24, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Oh, also, I second the Gold Gluvna motion.

Posted by: natsfan1a | September 24, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Here's a model for a Mr. Met effigy:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2008/09/23/2008-09-23_psychologists_advice_for_new_york_mets_f-1.html

Posted by: natsfan1a | September 24, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

If tomorrow night's game is a rainout, which it looks like it very well might be, will there be a makeup? There are no more off days, and neither team is in the playoff hunt. The loss of that game might affect the outcome of the Strasbug Sweepstakes.

Posted by: BSG | September 24, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

We have to give up our #2 pick if we sign a type A FA, but what do we give up if we sign at type B FA?

Posted by: estuartj | September 24, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I will not be able to participate in the creation or manipulation of said Mr. Met effigy.

Mr. Met scares me. An approximation of his likeness, using a real baseball, would probably send me spiraling into madness.

Posted by: John in Mpls | September 24, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

We have to give up our #2 pick if we sign a type A FA, but what do we give up if we sign at type B FA?

Posted by: estuartj | September 24, 2008 2:08 PM
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Type A: the other team would get a sandwich pick and our 2nd rounder.

Type B: the other team would just get a sandwich pick. We lose nothing.

Posted by: 756* | September 24, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

estuartj - nothing. A team losing a type B is compensated by a sandwich pick after the first 30 picks in the 1st round but before the second round. There used to be sandwich picks after the 2d, too, but I'm not sure about that anymore.

Posted by: ptbnl | September 24, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Laughing here, JiM (Mr. Met *is* kinda creepy).

Posted by: natsfan1a | September 24, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Pena was a low end FA having been released or not resigned by Detroit, NYY, and Boston the year before. Iwamura was posted by his Japan club and the Rays won the bidding rights for $4-5 million (the same year as Matsuzaka and Igawa were posted). Hinske is another low end FA who anyone could have signed last winter. Jackson and Navarro were acquired in a trade for Hendrickson and Lugo. Wheeler in a trade for Wigginton or Huff. And Kazmir was fleeced from the Mets.

The Rays actually had only about 5 prominent draftees: Crawford, Upton, Longoria, I think Shields, and Sonnanstine. Baldelli did not have a big role this year. Some of the middle relivers too are homegrown.

Garza and Bartlett were acquired in a trade with Delmon Young, so that is a draftee for useful assets, but, for the most part, they had a nice run of picking through the scrap heap. You know, the stuff we criticize JimBo and the Lerners for doing this year.

Posted by: PTBNL | September 24, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Chico - any reason why the Nayts don't have anyone playing in the Hawaiian Winter League this offseason?

Posted by: Sec 114, Row E | September 24, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Thought this might be of interest to Nats fans everywhere, particularly Lastings’ fans:

1st Annual Arlington Academy of Hope Charity Date Auction featuring Lastings Milledge of the Washington Nationals.

Friday October 10, 2008
8-11pm
Josephine Lounge
1008 Vermont Ave NW, WDC

Calling all sexy singles:

Join us for the charity event of the season! The Arlington Academy of Hope Young Professionals is proud to present an evening of desire with DC’s hottest bachelors and bachelorettes. The lineup includes:

Lastings Milledge of the Washington Nationals
Liton Midels Amanda King and Quan Nguyen
Miss Virginia International Tina Montgomery
Black Boo of Mambo Sauce
National Geographic Research Reporter Jamie Miller
Melissa Kresslein, Corporate Attorney at Paul Hastings Janofsky and Walker LLP
Angela Crews, Settlement Agent with MBH Group
International Business Consultant Philip Alipio
…and more!

$10 suggested donation at the door buys you a raffle ticket for the following items:

Washington Nationals Home Game Tickets
Spa Services from Radiance MediSpa
A cruise for 2 on the Dandy
McFaddens gift certificate
2 tickets to the AAH Gala
and much more!

Raffle tickets will then be sold in increments of $5/ea.

$6 Red & White wine by the glass
$5 Selected bottled beer
$6 Absolut Mixed Drinks

Arlington Academy of Hope

Helping children and communities in rural Uganda have a fighting chance by providing education and health care!

http://www.arlingtonacademyofhope.org

Posted by: NatsLover | September 24, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Good for Lastings!

In other news, and speaking of our minor league teams, league championship tees are now available from the P-Nats team store:

http://potomac.nationals.milb.com/index.jsp?sid=t436

Posted by: natsfan1a | September 24, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Yay, Nationals championship swag! Thanks!

Posted by: John in Mpls | September 24, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Trouble in D.C.

The shotgun marriage of Washington Nationals president Stan Kasten and general manager Jim Bowden should end soon.

According to several major league officials, Kasten wanted to fire a member of the Nationals' scouting staff for an embarrassing display in the press box before a game at Colorado. The scout loudly and profanely criticized the Rockies' player-development operation. Bowden convinced ownership to keep the scout in question.

That showed Kasten that he lacked the authority to do the job as he did with Atlanta. As Braves president, Kasten was an unheralded hero for the manner in which he brought order to the organization and allowed the baseball operation to do its job without outside interference.

The Nationals desperately needed the same type of leadership. If Kasten leaves, as expected, it will be a huge setback for an organization mired in chaos. That seems to be Bowden's preferred manner of operation.

Posted by: Oh crap | September 24, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Source?

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | September 24, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=462356

Posted by: Sporting News | September 24, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

> Source?

My money's on Jon "I have a huge crush on Jim Bowden and flirt with him shamelessly by writing about him at all opportunties" Hayman over at SI.

Posted by: joebleux | September 24, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Whoops. Looks like Hayden has a rival suitor for Jimbo's affection.

Posted by: joebleux | September 24, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

WRONG!

Posted by: NR Gerry Fraley | September 24, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

If you want to be snarky, at least get my name right

Posted by: NR Jon Heyman | September 24, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

According to several major league officials, Kasten wanted to fire a member of the Nationals' scouting staff for an embarrassing display in the press box before a game at Colorado. The scout loudly and profanely criticized the Rockies' player-development operation.
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Wait a minute. Was the "display" embarrassing? Or was the fact that the scout criticized Colorado's player development embarrassing?

Posted by: 756* | September 24, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

@756* - Both would be embarassing in my book

Posted by: Brian | September 24, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

756*, his loud and profane criticizing was accompanied by a shoebox diorama.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | September 24, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I don't see much wrong with Colorado's player development operation. They tend to develop some pretty good players.

Posted by: 756* | September 24, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

These adverbs usually imply embarrassing acts, at least in households other than Jim Bowden's.

Posted by: Loudly and Profanely | September 24, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Hey, man, I had all of the letters in there. Just required some reassembly.

Posted by: joebleux | September 24, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Chico's absence is embarrassing. 59 wins is embarrassing. Certainly, Jim Bowden is the most embarrassing of all.

Posted by: 756* | September 24, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I agree with John in Mpls and natsfan1a about Gluvna. These minor league reports were awesome to read all season long.

Love the Puns.

And LOVE LOVE LOVE Gold Gluvna's

Posted by: NatsFan7 | September 24, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Having your fiance defend your drunk driving is embarrassing.

Posted by: 756* | September 24, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Could Chico's absence for this unexpected meeting have anything to do with the aforementioned Kasten blurb?

Posted by: X-Files Fan | September 24, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"Bowden convinced ownership to keep the scout in question."

X-Files Fan,
I bet the scout in question has dirt on Bowden in the bonus-scandal...

Posted by: 756* | September 24, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

FYI, the P-Nats championship shirt is not available in the online store. You either ahve to visit the team store or call them up.

Posted by: John in Mpls | September 24, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

If Chico can't do the chat, can we get Yanda?

Posted by: PTBNL | September 24, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Here, I've found it! Photographic proof that Aaron Crow plays hardball!!!

http://www.photoreflect.com/pr3/ThumbPage.aspx?e=4050846&s=75

Posted by: 756* | September 24, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they pulled Chico for political coverage.

Contest: write Chico's lead for the McCain story.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | September 24, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I like the Chico chats (Weingarten, too), but if Chico is blowing us off to cover the dismissal of Bowden, it's well worth the price.

Posted by: Sec 114, Row E | September 24, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Yea, the Rockies player development system is crap. They got Jamey Carroll from us for nothing.

Posted by: Miss you Jamey | September 24, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

maybe after the learners were woodshedded in yesterday's times, they invited chico to hear their side of the story - sort of playing one paper against the other, maybe?

Posted by: natsscribe | September 24, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Chico and the rest of the Sports staff are in a meeting to discuss WP policies concerning reporting the news as opposed to making the news.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Bill! The minor league report was spectacular. I too have enjoyed them all season and the "Gold Gluvna" suggestion was excellent. So sad (er, relieved?) that we have reached the end of the season already. I'm not ready for a long, cold, dark off-season yet.

Posted by: Patty | September 24, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm not ready for that either, Patty. But it ain't over 'til it's over and we have 5 more games, so go Nats!

Hope that you'll still be able to get a tee, John. Let me know if not and maybe I could pick one up and send it to you.

Posted by: natsfan1a | September 24, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Chico and the rest of the Sports staff are in a meeting to discuss WP policies concerning reporting the news as opposed to making the news.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 4:34 PM

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Is that in reference to Laconfora?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

On the consolation prize front in the Strasburg Sweepstakes, the POY in the Cape League was SS Grant Green of USC, who Baseball America rates as the top college position prospect.

Posted by: PTBNL | September 24, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

That's cool, PTBNL.

On another note, this wild speculation and rumor-mongering on potential FO moves is exciting and all but the Nats still have five games to play, including one tonight. Uh, go Nats?

(also, I loved Jamey, too)

Posted by: natsfan1a | September 24, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Marlins
SS Hanley Ramirez
CF Cameron Maybin
3B Jorge Cantu
LF Josh Willingham
2B Dan Uggla
RF Jeremy Hermida
1B Gaby Sanchez
C Matt Treanor
P Josh Johnson

Nationals
2B Emilio Bonifacio
SS Alberto Gonzalez
CF Lastings Milledge
RF Elijah Dukes
1B Kory Casto
3B Pete Orr
C Wil Nieves
LF Roger Bernadina
P Tim Redding

Posted by: Lineups R Us | September 24, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Ladies and gentlemen, your post of the day.

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756*, his loud and profane criticizing was accompanied by a shoebox diorama.

Posted by: John in Mpls | September 24, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Really? Those are the lineups? Did Manny read Chico's post this morning and see something he didn't like?

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If you're looking for the reason why the Nats scored nine runs last night, you might as well focus on the first four batters in the lineup: Anderson Hernandez, Alberto Gonzalez, Ryan Zimmerman and Lastings Milledge. Combined, they had 19 at bats, six runs, 11 hits (the team had 13 total) and all nine Washington RBI.

Posted by: John Mpls | September 24, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

That lineup is depressing. What did we ever do to Manny to make him force such a lineup upon us?

Posted by: Ugh. | September 24, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I've got the answer.

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That lineup is depressing. What did we ever do to Manny to make him force such a lineup upon us?

Posted by: Ugh. | September 24, 2008 6:19 PM

Posted by: new post | September 24, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Redding: Hard Hit or Hard Luck

Do you re-sign him

Posted by: Brue | September 24, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Billy Bob Ladson weighs in:

Kasten committed to see job through
09/24/2008 7:58 PM ET
By Bill Ladson / MLB.com

WASHINGTON -- Nationals team president Stan Kasten denied reports on Wednesday that he is unhappy and wants to leave the organization.

Reports from the Washington Times and other media outlets indicated that the Lerner group was not listening to Kasten's advice on improving the franchise, but Kasten said he plans to stick with the Nationals and see them become championship contenders.

"I have no plans to leave at all," Kasten said. "I came here committed to making this a championship franchise. I continue to be optimistic that we are going to get it all done here.

"We have had bumps and bruises. We've had some hurdles and some challenges. But we have accomplished a great deal in the two years. My plan is to stay here."

Kasten also said he gets along with the Lerner group. Kasten acknowledged debate on certain issues, but would not discuss those with the media.

"I think there have been wild exaggerations, but overall, we continue to be on the right track," Kasten said. "I absolutely get along with the Lerners. We discuss everything vigorously, debate it and work through things. My relationship with every member of the family has been outstanding."

Kasten joined the Nationals in 2006 as team president and a founding partner.

Posted by: natsfan1a | September 24, 2008 10:09 PM

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