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Globe: Sox Offer to Teixeira Will Make History

The Boston Globe's Tony Massarotti has this to say about the Red Sox and Mark Teixeira:

Here's a prediction: By the time this is over, win or lose, the Red Sox effectively will have made Mark Teixeira the largest contract offer in the history of your storied franchise.

Discuss.

By Tracee Hamilton  |  November 19, 2008; 3:16 PM ET
 
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How's that for a discussion?

Posted by: JohninMpls | November 19, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I second that.

My vitriol towards all things Red Sox may soon surpass that of the 1995-2003 Yankees.

"Look at my pink hat with the pretty B on it. I bought it because my favorite player is that new guy at first base, you know, whats his name." Errrrr.

Posted by: LosDoceOcho | November 19, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

OK. Look I know Teixeira is all that and a box or rocks but is he worth "historic" offer? He's a great player don't get me wrong but do people honestly look at him and say he should be the highest paid player in baseball history? I'm not sure. Rhetoric like this is starting me thinking maybe he's not worth all this.

Posted by: RicketyCricket | November 19, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Heyman weighs in again, I guess the unrealistic expectations are that we can't hope to match the Red Sox.

"The Washington Nationals are indicating they are preparing to seriously pursue some marquee free agents in an effort to remake their last-place team, sources tell SI.com. Star first baseman Mark Teixeira, who is a local player from Severna Park, Md., is expected to be one of the Nats' top targets.

While Nats president Stan Kasten was quoted in the Washington Post saying, "I don't want people to have unrealistic expectations,'' he said in an interview with SI.com that nothing should be inferred from that comment or any other public remark he may make.
Kasten simply doesn't want anyone to have expectations. That doesn't mean they hope to do nothing bold.
"I want to be careful not to convey any guidance whatsoever,'' Kasten said. "I don't need people ahead of time to know what we're doing.''
Specifically, as for whether they plan to pursue Teixeira, Kasten in his own way stuck to his word to convey nothing. "We are exploring all possibilities,'' he said."

Posted by: psubman | November 19, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree with Stan all of a sudden. If the Red Sox are going to sign a Boras contract which they will regret later, we shouldn't get drawn in, simply to feel better about ourselves as an organisation.

Posted by: soundbloke | November 19, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Holy Stuffing Batman, Don't spend that kind of money Nats. We could buy all the prospects for the next 10 years with that kind of money.... Don't spend it. Think Strasburg, think 9a pick and than go get Adam Dunn. You were going to go get him anyways, eh...

Posted by: Berndaddy | November 19, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Largest in BoSox History NOT MLB History... can anyone dig up what the largest contract the Sox have ever handed out?

Posted by: Keenan1 | November 19, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Manny got 20 million a year for 8 years.

Posted by: soundbloke | November 19, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I pulled this quote from the article:

"Teixeira is a 28-year-old switch-hitter with power who plays excellent defense and comes with a great makeup. He is precisely the kind of player worthy of a landmark contract."

I agree with this statement. This guy is not a primma donna like ARod or Manny. Offer the guy a fat contract that competes with the Red Sox. If I were him I would pick Boston. But, it's worth a shot.

Posted by: Section505203 | November 19, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Post: Nats Offer to Teixeira Will Make Page E7

Posted by: Zornado | November 19, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I do think Teixeria is worth it and I think we should give more years in order to get him. Five straight seasons of 30 hr and 100 rbi don't grow on trees. Plus he's under 30 and a gold glover to boot. If we give him $20 mil a year, our payroll is still only in the $70-80 mil range, which is what it should be. We could still add a pitcher and keep it under 90.

Last season Kasten could not stop talking about how bad the free agent market was and how they were not going to be a part of it. Not so this year. I take his comments to be a glorified 'No Comment' and that they are in it for real.

Time will tell, I suppose. But they need to do something to show Zimmerman they are serious in order to lock him up long term.

Posted by: sec307 | November 19, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Other than A-Rod, I do not think any non-pitcher has ever had a higher AAV than the $20 million Manny had with the Red Sox. Clemens and Santana also beat that on AAV. Jeter signed for $189 million over 10 years, and Manny's 8 year, $160 million is the next highest position player in total dollars.

What Mazz says is almost common sense. Any offer made with the intention of signing Teixeira will have to have a higher AAV of enough years and total dollars to top Manny's. Mazz has been the #1 advocate of the Red Sox trying to sign Teixeira, so he's going to make that statement.

Plus, I'll get to taunt LDO all next season if they do sign him. I might even get him a Dustin Pedroia jersey. K-Rod my #@$!

Posted by: jca-CrystalCity | November 19, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I wonder which is more important to Teixeira, total dollars or dollars per season? I think the Nats might be the only team willing to go out to 10 year, so would you rather take 10 yrs for $200mil or 6 yrs for $150mil?

In the end I think the competition between LAA, LAD, NYY and BOS will get soooo crazy that we'll eventually walk away and get Dunn instead. IF Nick Johnson is healthy (and too bad this program won't let me use a large font, because that is one HUGE IF) then you might be a better team in the short run than with just Teixeira.

How about if we sign Dunn to a 3-4 yr deal for say $48mil, trade Milledge, Kearns and/or Willingham to get a say C. Gonzales some other CF and have a outfield of Dunn/Gonzalez/Dukes? Heres that line-up;

1. Guzman
2. Gonzalez
3. Johnson
4. Dukes
5. Dunn
6. Zimmerman
7. Flores
8. Hernandez
9. Redding/Olsen/Balester/Lannan/Zimmermann

Posted by: estuartj | November 19, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

If the Nats want to get into the bidding on Teixera, it will take an extreme contract. It may be more prudent to look into a short term signing of an Ibanez to play first, a trade for a Konerko, or something more creative as a stop gap and hope that Marrero gets back on track for 2010 - 2011.

Posted by: jca-CrystalCity | November 19, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

On the player development front today in AFL action Bill Rhinehart went 2for4 with a double and a HR (2RBIs) raising his average to .326. Leonard Davis also went 1 for 4 with a double and run scored.

Best of all Cory VanAllen went 5 scoreless innings giving up 2 hits and had 6 Ks lowering his ERA to 5.84 which is fairly respectable given his early struggles and the hitter friendly nature of the AFL.

I see Davis and Rhinehart getting ST camp invites before starting the season in AAA. I think both will make it to the bigs in '09. I think VanAllen starts the season in AA and has a decent chance to make the bigs as a reliever in the next year or two.

Finally, Ross Detwiler didn't play today, but after two very rough outings in a row he seems to have settled back down and gone 1 scoreless inning in each of his last two appearances. He started the AFL season going 5 games and 11 innings without giving up a run (he was rocked for 6 runs in 1.2 innings in those two back-to-back performances).

Posted by: estuartj | November 19, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I think most Nats fans will agree on these two points, as well as how they relate to one another:
1)Management needs to spend on young(ish) impact free agents - probably more than one - THIS YEAR.
2)Management does not need to do something stupid to land said impact free agent(s). Dunn will probably move to 1B if we can get him on a decent contract and if we can't get Sexy Texy. There are multiple options out there, the team is bad enough that just about any position can be improved or be provided with quality options, so it doesn't have to be Tex for $250m or CC for the same.

Posted by: ajtrue78 | November 19, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Look, Tex is a good investment because he'll have trade value down the line. You look at Soriano, for instance, and he's wiry, always getting nicked up, and at the end of his contract he'll be almost 40. The last three years of the deal he'll have very little trade value. Tex is rock-solid strong, doesn't sprain his wrist on a checked-swing, plays several positions, and by all accounts is steady eddie. If Tex signs for eight years, and after a few years, if they want to unload him, he'll be in his hitting prime (32-34), and somebody will want him. Unless he starts acting like Man-ny. Nah, somebody will still want him. Believe me.

Gimme one or the other. It really doesn't matter MAN-NY TEX-XY MAN-NY TEX-XY

Posted by: Brue | November 19, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

jca, I think the solution is that neither the Halos nor the Sox sign Teixeira but rather that the Nats do, and then you and LDO can both be happy about Tex along with the rest of us.
* * *
Plus, I'll get to taunt LDO all next season if they do sign him. I might even get him a Dustin Pedroia jersey. K-Rod my #@$!

Posted by: jca-CrystalCity | November 19, 2008 5:17 PM

Posted by: CoverageisLacking | November 19, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

CiL - so you've been reading team of rivals too?

Posted by: jca-CrystalCity | November 19, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I think that I'll stick by the original story. The Nats offer is likely 200 Mil over 10 years. That would be, as they say in the classic car auction business, well bought and well sold. If the Saux choose to up it to 225 or shorten the contract to 8 years, that is their business. I, frankly, don't see any value in that. OTOH, Boren/Tex should take it. No hard feelings (forget the hometown discount balderdash). It is illogical and bad business to sign a player with the thought that, in 8 years, you can trade him and get value.

If the Saux or Yankees are willing to go that far overboard to sign one player long term (well, we already know that the Yankees are and have), that is simply an explanation of why the O's should have found a way out of the AL east, although maybe even Peter the Troll couldn't really anticipate that the Saux v. Bombers would really come down to a "my er...wallet" is bigger than yours.

Speaking of that, you can bet that the Rays' excitement will die down and they will go back to the numbers that they had before '08. Bet they do a salary dump before the '10 season.

Posted by: Catcher50 | November 19, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

i think the largest red sox contract in their history is doable in years and dollars. i expect teixiera to get a complicated contract with lots of options. not sure how kasten feels about that. if i remember correctly the no trade clause is a no no with him.

i suspect that kind of stuff will litter this contract and we'll be frustrated over something minor and another round of finger pointing begins. that would be worst case scenario of course.

somehow or other boras will claim $200 mil contract even if Tex opts out after 5 years 120 mil. it will just be a fixed starting point for the next round. a la jd drew, manny, arod, etc...

Posted by: longterm | November 19, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

by the way, congrats to mussina for a great career. always loved that guy.

Posted by: longterm | November 19, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Lost amid all the contract talk is this gem: he wears great makeup! Is it the Marilyn Manson kind, or the Marilyn Monroe kind? Where's the investigative reporting on this paper??

What? Oh.
Nevermind.
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I pulled this quote from the article:
"Teixeira is a 28-year-old switch-hitter with power who plays excellent defense and comes with a great makeup. He is precisely the kind of player worthy of a landmark contract."

Posted by: Section505203 | November 19, 2008 4:29 PM

Posted by: CEvansJr | November 19, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

longterm: wait, Mussina retired??!

Posted by: CEvansJr | November 19, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Moose: http://tinyurl.com/5bafq8

Posted by: CEvansJr | November 19, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Just posted a few thoughts on the Crisp trade on Insider. W/R/T the Nats, this may open up a new destination for Austin Kearns. Sox probably a RH bat who can play CF and RF as a backup to Drew and Ellsbury. Their first choice might be Baldelli, but of course he has health issues. There has been talk of a bad contract swap with Detroit, Lugo for Willis or Robertson, but after acquiring Ramirez, the Red Sox can more easily move Masterson to the rotation if they don't sign Lowe or Burnett. What might make more sense than a straight Lugo for Willis trade might be a 3 way salary swap: Lugo for Willis for Kearns. Salaries roughly balance. Willis is still young . . .

Just my own idle speculation.

Posted by: jca-CrystalCity | November 19, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Chris Schroder has signed with the A's.

He contributed nicely in 2007, but was ineffective in his limited 2008 opportunities. Very replaceable, but he might do well in Oakland.

Posted by: natbisquit | November 19, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

So a source 'close to Texeria' just told MLB.com that he has interest in Washington, then named a massive sum of money her want.

The optimist in me read this at face value: "I want to hear from you, but take negotiations seriously" The cynic heard Boras say "I have options and I want money so if you mean business Boston bid now and bid big".

Shenanigans!

Posted by: soundbloke | November 19, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Moose ranked 2nd in my heart directly behind Cal for several years... then the rat B@5t@rd traded in his soul for pinstripes. I'll always remember the day I ran your jersey through our company's document shredder. I had to buy a new one because I cracked one of the blades on a button. You'll always be the Bird who bailed for a ring and missed the golden years by exactly 365 days. Sorry about your luck. I always wanted to see you blow out a rotator cuff. Good riddance to Benedict Arnold.

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by the way, congrats to mussina for a great career. always loved that guy.

Posted by: longterm | November 19, 2008 8:40 PM

Posted by: RicketyCricket | November 19, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

@CEJr.

All that means is that Tex is truly up to date on modern technology. The new HD TVs require special and much more elaborate makeup than the old analog types.

Now that MLB players no longer spit tobacco, I think that it is a good thing that they climb all of the way into the 21st century, and look their best on TV. Let's face it, with TV cameras more and more avoiding showing ballplayers adjusting their "equipment", we'll see more closeups of their faces. Got to have proper makeup!!

Posted by: Catcher50 | November 19, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Hey jca, I wanted to respond earlier, but I haven't been able to post from my blackberry since they introduced the new login system. Anyway--yes, good call, great book.

Soundbloke, more money than Cabrera is certainly massive, but not surprising or unreasonable given the market. Also remember that Tex turned down an 8/144 offer from Texas middle of last year, and he has further enhanced his marketability since then. So he certainly expects to get more than that--or he just really hated playing in the Arlington wasteland.

Posted by: CoverageisLacking | November 19, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying he's being unrealistic. I'm just upset that he is toying with dreams to do it.

Posted by: soundbloke | November 19, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Ah, that's nothing. Any contract the Nationals offer any quality free agent -- now THAT'S history.

Posted by: rushfari | November 20, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

10/$200 still sounds right to me and sounds in line with what Teixeira wants. Do not think it's an accident he suddenly commented on the desirability of Washington so soon after Stan commented on his semi-desirability here. It's a solicitation for a big offer and I would say that means he has some real interest in signing here.

AND THE O's WERE NOT MENTIONED. There's no way he forgot about his childhood team, but he's either playing some serious hardball with them by mentioning Washington, or sees something he sorta likes around here.

Come to us, Mark. You will be God in Southeast.

Posted by: Section506 | November 20, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

I'm pretty convinced that $20 million AAV will not get a Teixeira deal done. Note that the Cabrera deal mentioned in the MLB.com article bought out 2 years of arbtration and 6 years of free agency. If you look at the free agency years, the price is 6 years at $21 AAV. Given that the Tigers were taking on the risk of Cabrera eating himself out of baseball and rewarding him a extra over his last two arbitration years, you can say the $21 million is less than what an FA eligible guy like Teixeira would get.

Given Boras likes to set a record every year, my guess is that the first team he'll negotiate with will need to go higher on AAV ($23+ million) with a player opt-out after 5 years (similar to how A-Rod's deal was structured), and 8 - 10 years in length. Perhaps start at $21 million, and add a million a year for the next 5 or 6 years.

Posted by: jca-CrystalCity | November 20, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

I'll bet this is just a bargaining chip with the Sox and Yankee. Basically a 'source' mean 'someone who works for Boras'. And all he did was name the thing that the three richest clubs in the chase cannot provide. So when the Angels/Sox/Yankees call Boras demurs and say "well, what he REALLY wants is to be near his Mom's apple pie... but it you were to add another two million a year I might be able to persuade him."

Either way, go Rhinehart!

Posted by: soundbloke | November 20, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Teixeira interested in playing for Nats. Any help here Chico?

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081119&content_id=3685476&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp

Posted by: GregHerrick | November 20, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Weak blog post.

Posted by: jctichen | November 20, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

"Moose ranked 2nd in my heart directly behind Cal for several years... then the rat B@5t@rd traded in his soul for pinstripes. I'll always remember the day I ran your jersey through our company's document shredder. I had to buy a new one because I cracked one of the blades on a button. You'll always be the Bird who bailed for a ring and missed the golden years by exactly 365 days. Sorry about your luck. I always wanted to see you blow out a rotator cuff. Good riddance to Benedict Arnold."
___________________________________________

Someone is a little bitter, and may have anger management issues.

Posted by: Section505203 | November 20, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"Weak blog post."

That pretty much sums up the whole post-Svrluga era here, doesn't it?

Posted by: nunof1 | November 20, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I've been thinking a lot about free agents lately and come to one conclusion:

I think baseball needs a salary cap.

Posted by: Section506 | November 20, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Seconded 506.

For what it's worth...

Posted by: soundbloke | November 20, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"Here's a prediction: By the time this is over, win or lose, the Red Sox effectively will have made Mark Teixeira the largest contract offer in the history of your storied franchise."

Where's Dan Duquette when you need him?

Tex is overrated in this market. He'd have marginal impact with the Sox, but would have a huge impact in DC. The shame is that Boras will drive his price out of range of the teams who really need him.

My prediction: He signs for an astronomical sum with a Red Sox organization that is still trying to prove that it's bigger and badder than the Yankees and is an expensive face in the crowd five years from now.

Funny that the Mussina references should come out now. He was another above-average player who went (probably overpriced) to the highest bidder to be an average-sized fish in a very big pond when he could have taken less money to be a much bigger fish in a smaller pond.

Posted by: Aterio | November 20, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Given their current payroll and lineup, I just don't see the Sox being as interested in spending on Tex as they might be on an Ace plus a Rocco Baldelli type to fill out the OF/DH.

Posted by: dfh1234 | November 20, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Bah! No anger management issues just a little alcohol abuse and a post with no PC filter applied. This is in no way an apology... Dude sold out to a division rival. At the time I knew in my gut he wasn't resigning with the O's but to go to the Stankees? It seriously made me want to barf. I've never been happier to see someone retire without winning a ring.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Someone is a little bitter, and may have anger management issues.

Posted by: Section505203 | November 20, 2008 9:57 AM

Posted by: RicketyCricket | November 20, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

True, Crick, but would YOU want to re-sign with Mr. Angelos?

Posted by: Section506 | November 20, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

A point I've wrestled with in trying to decipher my own lingering resentment over Mussina. I've since stopped caring at all about anything that happens with the Orioles. This one stuck though. It was a betrayal that for some reason I took personally. It's not so much that he left Baltimore, it was more about where he went. If it had been any other team he went to...

Posted by: RicketyCricket | November 20, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

http://www.delawareonline.com/blogs/2008/11/nov-20-breaking-surgery-for-utley-feliz.html

Posted by: Section506 | November 20, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

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