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If You're Tired of Tex Talk, Skip This... (Update)

A new report from the Los Angeles Times: Scott Boras says he's received offers for Teixeira. He won't say from whom. He won't say what they are. But he's received offers.

Let's hope Tex sticks to his Christmas deadline.

(Earlier post)
So the Los Angeles Times is reporting that the Angels are cooling toward Mark Teixeira and warming toward CC Sabathia. Seems the Angels don't want to give Tex more than seven years.... Interesting.

I'll add more Tex Talk here today if anything crops up, rather than start new posts.

By Tracee Hamilton  |  November 25, 2008; 2:21 PM ET
 
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The LA Times article sites that Boras is asking for the same money and length of contract as Beltran. I haven't really looked at all the numbers but would you say they are of a similar value to a franchise?

Posted by: GoNatsTerps | November 25, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Obviously, this is turning into something of a soap opera, although now that the election is (mostly) over, the papers have space that needs to be filled.

Before any of us begin to breath heavily at the serious prospect of Tex, because the Nats may become the most logical place for him to land, lets remember one thing: GENERAL MANAGERS AND AGENTS LIE! That is part of their job description.

Posted by: Catcher50 | November 25, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Too true. We are going to see so much smoke blown up various oraphises between now and when he signs it's not worth us all getting in a tizzy.

I just hope this is not occupying all of Bowdens (or Rizzo's) time and preventing us from also working on a Plan B. Because no matter how hard they try it is always going to be likely they'll need one.

Posted by: soundbloke | November 25, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

I tried putting together a composite lineup of the best Nationals at each position over the first four years here in Washington. Kind of disheartening in a way, but it was good for five minutes of amusement. Here's what I came up with:

C - Flores over Schnedier based on youth
1B - Johnson over Young
2B - Vidro over Lopez/Beliard/etc. No good choices
SS - Guzman
3B - Zimmerman
LF - Soriano
CF - Milledge over Wilkerson/Logan
RF - Guillen over Kearns/Dukes

2B, CF, and 1B have been weak spots due to injury, age, player limitations, etc.... If Johnson could stay healthy, and if Milledge could play good defense in CF, then those spots would evaluate better, but we have never had a 2B who was well rounded (defense, offense, legs, attitude, etc...)

My choice for best rotation would include Livon Hernandez (05), Esteban Loaiza (05), John Patterson (05), John Lannan (08), and some combination of Shawn Hill (06) and Jason Bergmann (06). Which is to say that we have never had a full rotation of decent starters. Except for 2005, we never even had three at the same time.

If Milledge, Dukes, Zimmerman, and Flores all take the next steps that you expect 24/25 year olds to take, then this year could be dramatically different offensively. Add in an anchor in the middle of the lineup and that team could score some runs. If Jordan Zimmermann, Balester, Mock, and/or Von Allen can combine to provide 60+ major league starts, then the team would start to get very interesting. But the lone brightspot over the first four years - the bullpen - appears to be at its lowest talent level ever.

My conclusion sign or trade for a middle of the order batter, a leadoff hitter, a starter, and a closer.

Posted by: natbisquit | November 25, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Guillen? No thanks. Piece of garbage, as they say.

Posted by: Section506 | November 25, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I don't think the fact that the Angels may be losing interest in Tex means that there is now a better chance (better than .001%) that the Nats can get their hands on him.

Posted by: mike8 | November 25, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Granted little chance we get Tex.

Beltran agot $119 for 7 so $17 per. That actually seems low for Tex. If the Nats could get him at that, I think they would be willing and should be. I think it will take more like $150+ for 7 years and I'm not convinced the Nats should do that even if he would come here. 7 years is a long time to lock up over $20m per. Lot of risk and opportunity cost.

For sure bats are ahead of arms in terms of pipeline. Flores, Dukes, Milledge, Guz, Zim can all be excellent very soon. Much harder to predict the rotation and pen. Need some guys to blossom quickly or a couple of good signings.

Plenty of reason to hope.

Posted by: Avar | November 25, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Why is there no chance in getting Tex? I kinda think it's a lack of imagination. Just because we've never had a big name signing like this before doesn't mean that we never will in the future.

Posted by: Section506 | November 25, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

So far all we're doing is acquiring pieces without any regard for where, or whether, they fit on the roster, or on the field. Same as last year -- just stockpiling assets (and last year, many of those "assets" proved to be anything but -- see Patterson, Hill, Cordero, LoDuca, Estrada, Young, Johnson, FLop, WMP and AK).

We have two left fielders, two right fielders, two injured first basemen, three middle infielders that would bat 8th on a good team, and nobody who would bat first, second or fourth on a good team. And we don't have a #1 or a true #2 starter. And our closer is green, and our bullpen doesn't look like a strength, particularly from the left side.

What we do have, though -- and this is the silver lining from 2008 -- is a fairly sizable pile of C+ prospects (meaning, slightly above-average prospects with somewhat limited upside who nevertheless look like they can have some semblance of a career in the majors).

So, is it time to start packaging redundant assets with prospects in order to acquire some of the missing pieces? A leadoff-hitting, slick-fielding CF; a #2 hitting middle IF, a #4 hitting 1B, and 1-2 top of the rotation starters?

This isn't going to get done all at once. But it would be nice to see some steps taken. Sign Teixeira, or trade for the Friars' Adrian Gonzalez. Trade for Rox CF (and LHB) Carlos Gonzalez (hey, the Rockies evidently have four CFs and two RFs; can anybody see Lastings in left at Coors?)

Posted by: BobLHead | November 25, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Why does everyone hate Jose Guillen? That guy gave me one of the best summers of my baseball life, he is the reason I'm a diehard Nationals fan today, sure he was crazy but that made it even more fun. Nobody provided more big hits or clutch throws from the field than he did in 05.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | November 25, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

>Why is there no chance in getting Tex? I kinda think it's a lack of imagination. Just because we've never had a big name signing like this before doesn't mean that we never will in the future.<

Never get tired of taking about Tex-xy. Yeah, there seems to be fewer and fewer teams involved with the Tex process. Sounds like the Nats can trump people by offering more years, not necessarily more per year. All I've heard is the Nats and O's, and MAYBE the Red Sox and Yankees. That's it. I like those odds. A lot. Get in there TEX-XY TEX-XY TEX-XY!!

Posted by: Brue | November 25, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Hard to believe, but Chico is on fire.

New Post.

Posted by: WebberDC | November 25, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Not everyone--I thought he was worth seeing. But Jose approaches baseball the way some bloggers approach politics--he's right, up yours, and that's that. Frank could sorta handle him (being familiar with the RA view himself), but Jose won't get elected mayor of Kansas City any time soon.

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Why does everyone hate Jose Guillen? That guy gave me one of the best summers of my baseball life, he is the reason I'm a diehard Nationals fan today, sure he was crazy but that made it even more fun. Nobody provided more big hits or clutch throws from the field than he did in 05.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | November 25, 2008 11:06 AM

Posted by: CEvansJr | November 25, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I dunno, BobL. It takes a long time to fill a minor league system with credible talent. I don't think they have enough to start culling even this modest herd.
Keeping in mind, these C+s are also the Nats roster for July and August, when the acquired actual talent goes a-Weimi.
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"[We] do have a fairly sizable pile of C+ prospects.
So, is it time to start packaging redundant assets with prospects in order to acquire some of the missing pieces? A leadoff-hitting, slick-fielding CF; a #2 hitting middle IF, a #4 hitting 1B, and 1-2 top of the rotation starters?"
Posted by: BobLHead | November 25, 2008 10:37 AM

Posted by: CEvansJr | November 25, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Chico:

Combining these two threads... Have you talked to Nick Johnson? How is his annual rehab going? Has he heard from the Nats about his place with the team? Has he considered covering himself in bubble wrap when he plays?

Posted by: wigi | November 25, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

>No team has confirmed making an offer to Teixeira, although the Red Sox, Orioles and Nationals are expected to pursue him.<

I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER TEAMS GET. IN. THERE. TEX-XY TEX-XY TEX-XY COME ON TED!!!

Posted by: Brue | November 25, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Be still Brue's heart.

Some dude at cbssports.com says the Angels are out on Tex. http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/blogs/entry/8590096/11911510

He also says that the Angels doctors don't like something in Tex's knee so they won't give him more than 6 years.

Tracee and Chico:

It's time to get that investigation thing on.

Posted by: WebberDC | November 25, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

BobL: I doubt Colorado is going to let C. Gonzalez go anywhere (he's LH, he's only 23 & he's under control for another 2-3 years). They would love to dump Helton, and would probably be available if 1) he approved the move, and 2) the Nats' would eat most of his salary. If the team doesn't get Teixeira, he'd be a short-term option that shouldn't cost much in terms of prospects (Willems+low-level IF?).

Posted by: BinM | November 25, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

BinM

I put this challenge to someone else. Go to a Rockies site and say you heard that the Rox were going to trade Helton for a low level IF and Willems. They say you think it's a good idea. They will tear you to shreds because it's a terrible trade from their point of view.

Posted by: soundbloke | November 25, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

sound: They've already lost Holliday, they're full of venom at this point - Of course the fans would jump all over the downside of this trade. The point is, the Rockies Management might bite on it, if Helton was willing. That's what "hot-stove" talk is all about - Who's out there, GM's talking trades, all that good off-season gossip.

Posted by: BinM | November 25, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, just looked up Helton's contract (thanks to Cot's website) - Yuck! 2009-2010 [$16.6M per], 2011 [$19.1M], 2012 [$23M Club option / $4.6M buyout]. As Emily Litella once said "Oh, well... nevermind".

Posted by: BinM | November 25, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

That last post saying that Kearns and Johnson are "remarkably similar" offensive players just may be the single worst-informed statement I've ever read on NJ. I mean, at least Boz has the excuse that's he's a senile old goat.

Posted by: sbiel2 | November 25, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

@sbiel2: Harlan is still learning the nuances of baseball (1B coaches have stopwatches, etc.) - the OBP & W-K ratio differences jump out at the stats junkie. Give the kid a chance; He's not Barry (who spoiled Planet NJ to the extreme), but he writes well.

Posted by: BinM | November 25, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I believe Chico actually provided fairly impreical evidence that Kearns and Johnson are similar players statistically by lining up the career stats. He then went on to give the advantage to Johnson for all the right reasons. You have to read what he actually wrote. Both players bring good defense to their respective positions. Neither player brings enough power to their position. Both are good baserunners, but neither is fast. Neither is prone to stupid mistakes in the field or on the basepath. Johnson is the better player when he plays. Kearns has been more durable. Kearns had a bad year. No question. He was strong in the second half of 2007, but he really has not delivered what we hoped for. All evidence is that Johnson would have put up 3 solid seasons in a row if he could have stayed on the field, but all evidence is that he never will stay healthy. It would be a fluke if he did.

Posted by: natbisquit | November 25, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Apparently, Fire Joe Morgan has now been supplanted by SoCH without the incredible wit and analysis. I take it the WP baseball writers are your current target. Must be slow on the Jim Bowden side of things. Thanks for the contempt, SoCH.

I might suggest a reasoned argument in lieu of ridicule.

Posted by: LosDoceOcho | November 25, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

>He also says that the Angels doctors don't like something in Tex's knee so they won't give him more than 6 years.<

Ah yes. The injury excuse. If they don't like his knee, then they shouldn't bid on him at all, let alone 6 yrs. This gets better all the time. Odds are way up for the Nats baybee. It's all good.

Posted by: Brue | November 25, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Ah, the mad chase for Teixeira. It would be great to land the man in DC.

But chances are just as high that Dmitri will make his return and claim a second Comeback Player of the Year award.

Just saying.

Posted by: nattydread1 | November 26, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

@LDO--here's the longer post on why Chico's Kearns v. Johnson post was so absurd.

http://firejimbowden.blogspot.com/2008/11/remarkably-similar-like-my-fastball-is.html

But really, how long do you have to follow baseball to understand that a 40 point difference in OBP is a lot? You don't have to be a stat junkie to understand that making more outs is bad. Ain't that complicated. What if you said a .240 batting average was "remarkably similar" to a .285 batting average?

Posted by: sbiel2 | November 26, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Ken Rosenthal reports:

"The A's have requested and received the medical records of Nationals first baseman Nick Johnson, who underwent season-ending wrist surgery last June"

So who do the A's have that would be a viable CF/lead off option? Buck? Sweeney? Cunningham? Ugh. Hopefully the A's would consider some of their minor league pitchers.

Posted by: LosDoceOcho | November 26, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

No, Walter, you're not wrong.

Posted by: CEvansJr | November 26, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Nick's medical records? That's some heavy lifting right there.

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The A's have requested and received the medical records of Nationals first baseman Nick Johnson, who underwent season-ending wrist surgery last June

Posted by: JohninMpls | November 26, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

"Scott Boras says he's received offers for Teixeira. He won't say from whom. He won't say what they are. But he's received offers."

If he is telling the truth, I'm sure they will leak in due time. Nothing says up the ante like revealing competing offers.

Posted by: jctichen | November 26, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Of course, the other thing about the A's is that they've always liked Lastings Milledge. Nick, if healthy, would be a real upgrade for them at first. Package deal? "You want Lastings, you have to take Nick, too."?
FWIW, the A's are talking to Furcal, too. Holliday is way out of their normal salary structure, so if they are talking to Furcal at all, they must be planning on moving somebody expensive, no?

Posted by: CEvansJr | November 26, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

>Hopefully the A's would consider some of their minor league pitchers.<

The Nats could do a lot worse. We could pull a Billy Beane and unload Nick's salary and get some budding pitchers in return. Beane is gonna sign Furcal, so you know he'll continue plugging holes with veterans in order to get them back into the playoffs. At least it looks like that right now.

Posted by: Brue | November 26, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

>FWIW, the A's are talking to Furcal, too. Holliday is way out of their normal salary structure, so if they are talking to Furcal at all, they must be planning on moving somebody expensive, no?<

I didn't know they had anybody expensive.

Posted by: Brue | November 26, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

My guess is that if we trade Johnson we get a B+ level prospect or we eat his salary and get a serviceable major league utility guy.

No one is going to give up a top prospect or major leaguer for a guy who can't be relied on for more that 40 games.

Posted by: soundbloke | November 26, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

It would be nice to acquire Holiday. The A's have also been reported as wanting to move Crosby and/or Ellis. I don't know if Crosby can play 2B, but he is another one of those guys that could increase in value if only he would stay healthy for a full year. I like Daric Barton too. He is their current 1B. A Todd Helton type who struggled in his rookie year but could be a solid 1B for years to come. So lots of possibilities there. Trading for Holiday might involve a sign and trade deal. He's a free agent next year, so I'm sure the Nats would like to be able to negotiate a deal with him consecutive with the trade if that is who they are after.

Posted by: natbisquit | November 26, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

If waiting for the Tex signing isn't looking far enough ahead for your, the P-Nats just announced that they will be honoring 2008 All-Rookie pitcher John Lannan with a bobblehead night on August 22nd.

Posted by: JohninMpls | November 26, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I would take Daric Barton back for NJ in a heartbeat, hard to believe they would give up on him so soon though.

Posted by: BobLHead | November 26, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

BobLHead

Yeah, I'm going to file that under 'trade pruposed by Nat's, for nat's fans'.

I'd take it though.

Posted by: soundbloke | November 26, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Sox signed Billy Traber

Posted by: Section506 | November 26, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Could someone please tell me that guy thinks the a's would trade holliday?

Posted by: Baseball95der26 | November 26, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Ladson says more than one team has Nick's medical records:


http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/11/is_nick_johnson_on_trade_block.html

Also, check out the first comment from an A's fan who supports dealing Nick for Barton (there you go, soundbloke!).

Posted by: BobLHead | November 26, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

No way!

That's hilarious! Hoisted by my own petard!

Posted by: soundbloke | November 26, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

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