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Angels Reportedly Withdraw From Tex Derby

Here's the latest bit of odds-shuffling news in the Mark Teixeira free agency game. Yahoo.com's Tim Brown is reporting that the Los Angeles Angels -- one of the four teams (or five, if you count the Yankees) in the running -- have withdrawn their offer, certain that Teixeira did not intend to sign with the Angels. According to Brown, the Angels "would not reenter the bidding war" ala the Red Sox, who seemed out of things Thursday and now stand again as the favorites.

By Chico Harlan  |  December 21, 2008; 7:11 PM ET
 
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Chico, what do you make of Olney stating that the Nationals do not count on placing the winning bid according to a front office person? What have you been able to gather from Nats front office people on where they stand?

Posted by: Keenan1 | December 21, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Verry interresting...

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | December 21, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

I think Teixera wants to play on the east coast, closer to home. I also read that his wife didn't like the west coast because it was too far from home. His family could drive to games on South Capitol Street and he could sleep in his own bed. Tex might have to negotiate an "Amtrak clause" for his family if he signs with Evil Empires I or II.

Posted by: leetee1955 | December 21, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

we'd be dumb to say we expected him to sign with us. it's another nonstory from espn.

getting close to decision time...

Posted by: longterm | December 21, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

completely agree with you longterm. I'll say it again. He ain't coming here. I am enjoying the show, though.

Posted by: NatsNut | December 21, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

I can hardly wait to tell you naysayers "I told you so."

I think (hope) he's coming here. I really do.

Posted by: dand187 | December 21, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone suggested we start posting a pool here (so forgive me if this is redundant)?

Team, Years, $.

I'll put up a SWAG first:

Nats, 9 years, $200M.

Yes, Boras could be lying his butt off, but for him to be jacking around BOTH the Red Sox and the Angels, I'm guessing he is sitting on a bigger offer.

Posted by: ArlingtonNatsFan | December 21, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I know Aaron Boone had been a free agent since filing shortly after the World Series, but I was still sorry to see him finalize his departure this week - signing with the Astros. Over the years we have seen good teammates and bad teammates come and go from the Nationals. It seems clear that Boone fit in the Jamey Carrol, Matt LeCroy, Willie Harris category of good teammates. Had he stayed healthy himself, he probably would have finished the year getting the most starts at 1B this year, but like everyone else on the team he got hurt. Still, other than Johnson, he probably was the best 1B we fielded - certainly better than Belliard, LoDuca, and Dimitri in 2008. Good Luck to Aaron!

Posted by: natbisquit | December 21, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

So much for Torii Hunter's comments...

Another thing that the Nats have going for them over the Sawx, Yanks, and O's on the "close to home" front - the Nats go through ATL three times a year. I think that's his wife's hometown.

They have got to figure out a way to convince Tex that they can contend for the play offs by 2010. Hopefully they've made some assurances that they will raise payroll to $120 million and sign both 1st rounders. If they don't, we're looking at an ARod/Rangers situation anyway.

On another note, moving to the NL should not reduce a starter's IPs. Not being pulled for a pinch hitter in the AL is balanced by the weaker line ups in the NL. I'm betting there are more early exits in the AL because the pitcher gets pounded. It'd be an interesting study.

#4

Posted by: db423 | December 21, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Anecdotally, #4, I've found that there's very similar pitching changes in an AL game.

Posted by: Section506 | December 21, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Two Tex points:

1) The Nats more than likely have the high offer out there already. I think Boras, through a media leak, has pretty much said that the only way the Nats win Tex is if their bid is better than everyone else's.

2) Why are the Red Sox interested in Tex when they have Youkilis and Lowell? The Red Sox are trying to line up a young middle of the order hitter as their line up ages. Bay is not at that level and is only signed for a year. Youkilis is older than Tex, and Lars Anderson is still only a prospect. The interest is not phoney.

Otherwise, here is a nice profile of Tim Redding and the interest in him on the FA market. I think it was a mistake not to offer him arbitration. My guess is he would have had a hard time getting more than $2 - 3 million in arbitration because he would have been coming off a base of $1 million last year, and in that range, he's worth it.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-redding-market

Posted by: jca-CrystalCity | December 21, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

jca

The Red Sox feel that Lowell is never going to be same after his hip surgery. As for Ortiz, the jury is really out on whether his knees have completely gone. His numbers badly dropped off last year and the Sox are trying to put some scary back in their line up. Youkilis is a good fielding third baseman so they shift Youk to third, play Teix at first and see if either of the other two can recover.

Posted by: soundbloke | December 21, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Those explanations make sense for why they like Teixeira, but what I don't understand is why they would spend so much money for him. They have nothing in their system or nothing they can trade for that would both be cheaper and build a better bridge to the future?

Posted by: Section506 | December 21, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Good point. Hadn't thought of it.

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On another note, moving to the NL should not reduce a starter's IPs. Not being pulled for a pinch hitter in the AL is balanced by the weaker line ups in the NL. I'm betting there are more early exits in the AL because the pitcher gets pounded. It'd be an interesting study.

Posted by: JohninMpls | December 21, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Man, I kind of wish the Nats would announce they're out of the bidding, just to keep up with the Joneses.

Posted by: JohninMpls | December 21, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

This is ridiculous, if the Lerners weren't so cheap they would stop making us a laughingstock of the league and act like a real ball club by withdrawing from the Teixeira bidding!

Posted by: Section506 | December 22, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

This is ridiculous, if the Lerners weren't so cheap they would stop making us a laughingstock of the league and act like a real ball club by withdrawing from the Teixeira bidding!

Posted by: Section506 | December 22, 2008 12:04 AM

ha, I see what you did there.

Posted by: MrMadison | December 22, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Well, the Sox do have a lot of assets already. However, they also have a ton of money, and they're smart about how they use it. Which is why, I think, they probably don't have the highest offer on the table. However, when one of the best hitters out there comes on the market, and he's got a better long-term future than your guys, you grab him, especially if the money's not a problem. It also keeps him from the Yankees and the O's.

Posted by: Section406 | December 22, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

It actually would be pretty funny if Boras keeps holding out some bogus figure that "another club'' has offered, until everybody says they've pulled out of the Tex bidding. He's one of the causes (not all, for sure, but one) of ridiculous ticket prices

Posted by: nats24 | December 22, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone say "sal-a-ry cap"?

Posted by: Section506 | December 22, 2008 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Baseball doesn't need a salary cap. It needs a salary floor. Since teams get money through the luxury tax they should be required to spend so much per year.

Posted by: brothbart | December 22, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

At the risk of repeating myself:

G.M.s Lie!

Agents Lie!

Posted by: Catcher50 | December 22, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I'm still convinced that the Nats are still in the running for Tex. Things on the farm are good. Ted Lerner is a minority owner in the Caps and look what they've done there. Spending all that money on Ovie and locking him in was brilliant. Then building around him. I think the same thing is going to happen with the Nats though Tex is no Ovie. This team had to go though a year like last to take a big step forward. It's not like we have a 20 history of losing. Call me a "glass is half-full" kind of guy, but I'm excited even without Tex.

Posted by: RCT18 | December 22, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Get that man some Nationals pajama pants!

Posted by: JohninMpls | December 22, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Already got them, sheets too.

Posted by: RCT18 | December 22, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I didn't know they made sheets...

Posted by: JohninMpls | December 22, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

(The elipses connote jealousy.)

Posted by: JohninMpls | December 22, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

My wife hates them, she's from Boston.:)

Posted by: RCT18 | December 22, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Awww, man, I thought we got Sheets.

Posted by: Section506 | December 22, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

My wife would hate them, too. She's from England!

Posted by: JohninMpls | December 22, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I was waiting for that, 506.

JiM, I didn't see them on the team site but I did find these elsewhere (and I just may have a new item for my wish list, heh heh):

http://www.mlb-bedding.com/Washington-Nationals-Bedding.html

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | December 22, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know who is Stephen Strasburg's agent?

Posted by: joemktg1 | December 22, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

"Does anyone know who is Stephen Strasburg's agent?"

Scott Boras

Posted by: Brian_ | December 22, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Salary Cap? Salary Floor?

What MLB needs is real revenue sharing - no one would pay to any big market team (Yanks, sawx, etc) to play an intra-squad scrimmage 162 times a year. The Yanks - and every MLB team - should place 50% of ALL revenues in a fund to be split among the other 29 teams. That is, 50% of the Yanks money goes into a pool and is split 29 ways. Same thing for the Royals, 50% goes into a pool and is split 29 ways. The Yanks would still have the most revenue, because their 50% is bigger than anyone elses 50% plus they get 1/29th of everyone else's revenue.

The last thing to fix is to force teams that are owned by corporate entities to be force to claim a market rate for certain revenues. For many years the Braves had one of the lowest paid TV deals. Why? Since they were owned by Turner who owned the TBS Superstation - TBS claimed a low cost for the Braves games and that kept the Braves revenue low - but Turner made out in the deal.

Posted by: comish4lif | December 22, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

So if the Angels are serious and they go for other players instead of Tex, does this mean that they will go into a bidding war for Adam Dunn, and more importantly, will the Nats actually do the same?

Posted by: Juan-John | December 22, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

It will be interesting to see if the Angels (or any other team for that matter) regards Dunn as a potential 1B.

Posted by: BobLHead | December 22, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Here is a list of guys that will be free agents after the 2009 season:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/2010-mlb-free-a.html

Our mission: Sign Teixeira now, draft and sign Strasburg in June, then add Brandon Webb after 2009. Hopefully the rest of the first great Nationals team can come from existing assets and the talent on the farm.

Posted by: BobLHead | December 22, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

The best part about signing brandon webb is never having him pitch against us again.

Posted by: Section506 | December 22, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

More on the Brandon Webb scenario:

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbacks/articles/2008/12/21/20081221spt-dbacks.html

Posted by: BobLHead | December 22, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Buster says we might be able to get Fuentes for three years, $15-18m:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3785146&name=olney_buster&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines

If so, that's a deal we should make, for a veteran LHP out of the 'pen and one that could close if necessary.

Posted by: BobLHead | December 22, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Amazing, the Angels and Red Sox are either goating the Nats (and for what its worth the Jankees) into making Teixera some crazy +200M offer or Bore-Ass is fiannly coming up for air now that his clients value is finally surfacing around the 160-180M.

Come on son, make a decision. This way come 1 Jan when the new MLB-Network starts they won't have to carry ESPN's water with this never ending saga.

Programming Note: with the advent of MLB Network (24X7X365), ESPN plans to drastically scale back its "in-season" MLB coverage to only two teams in 2009 and virtually eliminate its current scarce coverage of MLB during the off season. Sources close to several ESPN executives say that the Bristol, Conn based networks infatuation with all things Red Sox and Yankees over the past decade was not by accident. One ESPN source recently was so bold as to say,"does it really matter that there are 28 other teams in that league, we have been successful in creating the perception that only 2 of the 30 actual exist". ESPN for many years has coveted its relationship with the NFL and College Football, however by eliminating MLB, ESPN officials are looking at bidding for the Olympics as the contract with NBC expires after the 2010 Winter Games.

Posted by: TippyCanoe | December 22, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I get the gist of the Plan, BUT in order for it to work, management has to minimize the mistakes that it makes. Otherwise, what separates the Nats from the Pirates, Reds, etc...teams that perennially finish below .500?

The most recent mistake was failing to trade Redding at the deadline when he had the most value. One would hope that they would be able to look 4 months in advance and determine that his arbitration figure would be high. But maybe that's asking too much.

Posted by: jctichen | December 22, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

maybe it's because MLB and some of the big market teams (braves, yankees, etc.) have done a better job at moving towards other media outlets on their own?

i'm glad there's not much "BOO-YAH!" coverage.

espn hasn't been able to keep my attention for some time now.

Posted by: longterm | December 22, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Very important announcement from Joe Posnanski: he has withdrawn from the Teixeira sweepstakes. You can read all about it here (it is actually a pretty funny satire of the whole situation):

http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/12/22/an-announcement/

Posted by: CoverageisLacking | December 22, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

This contract for Tex is a terrible deal for a building team. The Lerners at least have stated how much they feel the guy is worth, and don't seem to be willing to go higher. That makes me respect them a lot more. I actually feel that it may make Boras respect them more. Maybe not like them, but respect them. They've shown a willingness to spend but also that they aren't stupid.

Now go get Adam Dunn and start flipping the useless flotsam for prospects one of which may, or may not, pan out. See if we can get Carlos Gonzalez (or an equivalent) and a young pitcher for any combo or Kearns, Belliard, Pena, Belliard, Hill, Guzman, and so on and so forth.

Either way, the escalation of years for a guy who is not A-Rod, Pujols or in fact Sabathia. Either way tying up 20-25 million a year when we are at best three years from being competitive will limit us terribly.

Posted by: soundbloke | December 22, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

g. Good for Boston. Good for Anaheim. In this economy, should a baseball player be paid more than $20 million a year?

h. I'd love to have Mark Teixeira on my team. But at what price? Scott Boras is brilliant at creating leverage, but just because he creates it, it doesn't mean a baseball team has to knuckle under to it. Life goes on.

i. I want to be in the room when Teixeira signs with Washington and looks at Boras and says: "Are you kidding me? You've sentenced me to play for the Washington National for the rest of my career?''

Source: Peter King Monday Morning QB CNNSI page 6.

Posted by: TippyCanoe | December 22, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Peter King is a blowhard.

Posted by: BobLHead | December 22, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

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