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Finally, Stuff Happens

To review: The Teixeira tap dance really heated up yesterday in Vegas.

Now we're gettin' somewhere!

Some morning reading, in case you missed any of this...

First, Dave's final story. (Editor's note: Whoa, that sounds ominous. I meant Dave's final story of the night.)

The Sun says the O's offer is seven years, $140-$150 million.

I have no idea who this dude is, but Josh at the jorgesaysno blogspot says Teixeira should sign with the Nats. And that's good enough for me!

We kinda sorta knew this, but it bears mentioning one more time: Newsday says the Yankees are out of the Tex hunt.

This guy, however, thinks the Yankees ought to sign him. It's always fun to spend someone else's money.

So let's assume the Yankees are out of it. To sum up -- as MrMadison did so well on the previous thread -- here's what we know about the offers.

Nats: 8 years, $160 million
O's: 7 years, $150 million
Angels: 87 years (per MrMadison), $160 million (probably; they haven't made an offer yet)
Red Sox: Unknown

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the Sox offer him an eight-year deal -- no one seems willing to go longer -- but they up the money a bit, say, oh, $170 million. (Remember, it's fun to spend someone else's money.)

So if these are the parameters, then what say you?


By Tracee Hamilton  |  December 11, 2008; 8:43 AM ET
 
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I think that if Boston offers more, the Nats should offer a 9th year. If there is the chance to get Teixeira, they should take the plunge.

+1/2St

Posted by: kevincostello | December 11, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

As the first offer that hits the target, the Nationals should get a chance to respond to whatever the Red Sox do. I think it comes down to two things. Does he want to play in this area and have Ted and Mark Lerner convinced him that they are serious about building a winner--which means they committed to signing Strasburg next summer and going after whatever other pieces it takes.

Posted by: Juliasdad | December 11, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

It's astonishing to hear the condescending tone with which the national news media treats the Nats bid to sign Tex. If Tex doesn't end up in Boston or LA, the rage will be palpable.

All the more reason to stick it in their eye. Go Nats! Sign Big Tex!!

Posted by: tomterp80 | December 11, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

if the Red Sox up the money, then so should we.

that's what I say.

if the Nats are truly serious about acquiring Tex, then they HAVE to have the high bid, no matter what.

Let Tex turn down the high bid to go to a contender if he wants. but money should NOT be the reason he doesn't sign with us.

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Where are 'teh Lerners are the cheapest!' people today? Still mourning our failure to sign Andruw Jones last year or ???

Posted by: sbiel2 | December 11, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Mr. Madison. Given the above parameters, there's no way he wouldn't pick the Red Sox, which is why the Nats must offer a higher bid.

The disturbing thing to me is still this opt-out. I like the idea of structuring the deal with more money at the end of the contract, but we know Boras won't like that.

Posted by: Section506 | December 11, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Dave, I know this is correct usage, but that doesn't mean I didn't giggle at it:

"Boras declined to speculate as to a timetable for consummating a deal."

Posted by: Section506 | December 11, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Absolutely up the money if the Red Sox do. Now, what the ceiling should be, that I don't know what to say, but I am just dying to get Teixeira (and then Strasburg). I never thought the Lerners were cheap--I thought they have been smart in most of their decisions, and I am so happy that they are willing to cough up a lot of money when it really makes sense in terms of their overall strategy.

Posted by: Section109 | December 11, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

looks like we'll get a chance to boo the f*ck out of Flop. he just signed a 1-year with the D-Backs.

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

The most important contract right that the Nats could offer that Boston has said it absolutely will not do, and has never done, is offer a player opt-out right. What the Nats could offer is that, after 5 years, Tex could opt out if his AAV or is not among the highest 3 position contracts in baseball. Since A-Rod is the highest, that basically gets triggered when two more position players get bigger extensions or FA contracts. That, and an AAV in the $23 million range for 8 years, gets the deal done ($184 million). Perhaps even structure it as 7 years, $161 million, with years 8 - 9 as options that could be bought out at, say, $7 million and $2 million, so year 8 is likely to be exercised and year 9 is less likely.

Posted by: jca-CrystalCity | December 11, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I can't help but keep thinking about how Scott Boras delivered Pudge Rodriguez, Magglio Ordonez, and one other player to the terrible Tigers and started that turn around. He got a huge ego boost out of that accomplishment not to mention the $$$.

I am not sure Tex will wind up in DC but I believe that Boras thinks that is the best 'business and legacy' opportunity for his client.


Posted by: GoNatsTerps | December 11, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

the sticking point with Boston is the insistence on a no-trade clause.

does Boston ever give those?

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

It seems like the family factor should not be understated with this guy. He's from Baltimore, so one would think the O's have an edge. BUT: his wife is from Georgia. Ask yourselves, which team finds itself in Atlanta several times a year on road trips? The one in the AL East or the one in the NL East? Not heard the wife factor mentioned yet, but it seems like the Nats present something of a best-case on the family side for them, not the O's.

Posted by: wahoo2x | December 11, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

The cute thing about giving an opt out and having the out years as options is allows Boras to say something like "the highest AAV for any 1st baseman guaranteed to be among the top 3 for position players and only the second player with a $200 million + contract if both options are exercised."

Posted by: jca-CrystalCity | December 11, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

a tie here does not work to the nats favor, while the first offer was respectable and not much more than that, they had to know it would take something special to get this guy, 10yrs/$20mm is what is going to take to get this thing done for the nats, there's no hometown discount here plus dc and socal aren't exactly on par, we need to stop worrying about saving face, make the best offer and even if he rejects for a contender, at least we've announced to the world we're not a joke like KC or others....

Posted by: jptnj | December 11, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

L.A. Times is saying 7/160 from the Angels.

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Dear Mark and Family,

I want you all to know just how much we want to welcome you into the Nationals family. Since you are from the area you know how loyal we are to our local teams and heros. Don't doubt for a minute that we will cheer, support, and embrace your efforts everyday. Please take notice of the Nationals Plan ('The Plan') and how faithfully it has been followed to date: investment in infrastructure, minor league system, and scouting. Note the commitment to young talented players, followed by a commitment to older established players like you. This was scripted long ago. And while some here have grown impatient waiting for the plot to unfold, it has really only been 2 1/2 years since the Lerners bought the team and the progress has been more swift than most people acknowledge. Please recall that teams like the Tigers, Rays, Braves, and Twins have followed similar plans with quick turnarounds and prolonged success.

Know that there are many high character teammates like Ryan Zimmerman, Christian Guzman, Jesus Flores, and Josh Willingham waiting for you to join them. There are many young players with star potential either on the team or soon to arrive like John Lannan, Lastings Milledge, Elijah Dukes, Jordan Zimmerman, and Colin Balester. We've got a great stadium, a great clubhouse, and easy access to your home and family.

Please accept the Lerner's money and the warm welcome we can give you and foresake the hectic, far away sirens of Boston and Los Angelos.

Sincerely,


Your Nationals Fans.

Posted by: natbisquit | December 11, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

According to Jayson Stark of ESPN, the Nats offer is solid and according to Stark is the the one Texiera picks. Several factors working in Nats favor, apparently the Lerner-Stans plan to roll out the red carpet for this guy, he will be "show cased" all around town and be considered the face of the franchise.

Posted by: TippyCanoe | December 11, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

If he comes to a local team it will be the O's!!!!!!!!!!!!

KEEP DREAMING NATS FANS!!!!!

He's from Severna Park not DC

He loves the O's!!!!!!!!

Posted by: beas13 | December 11, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Tippy, I'm gonna need a link for that.

ignore the Ori-troll folks.

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

He grew up an O's fan the nats have no chance.

These 20 or so posts is probably the entire nationals fan base.

Tex is going to bring baseball back to Baltimore!!!!

Posted by: beas13 | December 11, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Enough with this "Team that must not be named" nonsense. The Orioles exist whether you all like it or not, and the Orioles collectively are not deserving of all your hatred. Peter Angelos is the sole person responsible, and as someone who roots for both the Orioles AND Nationals, I can assure all of you who refuse to set foot in OPCY that Angelos and Angelos only is hated by many Oriole fans for the past 11 years of futility.

Stop your whining, there is a reason the Nationals and especially their fans get little respect from the rest of MLB and other baseball fans.

Posted by: FHMetro | December 11, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Also the O's are 10 times closer to turning it around. The nats are no where close. The O's actually have young studs. The nats have the worst roster in the league!!!!!

Posted by: beas13 | December 11, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Hi FHMetro.

I'm not sure what all this "team that must not be named" crap you are babbling about comes from.

care to explain?

we've been talking about Tex for past few days, and the Orioles have not even entered our thoughts until you and your buddy decided just now to come here and try to troll and insult us for no reason.

there is no "hatred" for the Orioles here. at least not from me.

there is only apathy.

that means, I don't care about the Orioles one way or another.

so please, quit trying to derail our discussion with your insecure rantings.

back on Topic: Tippy, you got a link for that Jayson Stark Comment?

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

again I say, ignore the Ori-trolls, folks.

and I'm gonna start taking my own advice and ignoring them too, from here on.

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"Also the O's are 10 times closer to turning it around."

Even if you "turn it around" all it will get you is to battle Toronto for 4th place in the AL East for the next five years.

Posted by: traderkirk | December 11, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I speak the truth ignore if you want...All I'm saying is don't get ur hopes up. The nats have no chance. Doubt the O's will get him either but if he comes locally the nats have no chance its all O's!!!!

Posted by: beas13 | December 11, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

beas13, have you thought of arguing with Brue?

Posted by: Section506 | December 11, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Can't let myself really hope this could happen. I was a little surprised the offer wasn't slightly higher.

Obviously, you can't imagine that he would come here for LESS money so I really hope they know what they are doing w/ this offer.

If they Sox match it, we have to up it. It really is a once in like 5 year opportunity, maybe longer.

Would be a massive turning point and would instantly be in serious consideration for any serious free agent we wanted after this.

I think the national media would immediately treat us with more respect and start referring to us an up and coming franchise.

Funny how we have totally tabled speculation about the four arbitration cases coming up this year. It's four right? Zim, Willingham, Olsen and Redding.

Posted by: Avar | December 11, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Everyone keeps saying Redding is "a candidate to be non-tendered," but not why. The surgery?

Posted by: Section506 | December 11, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

506 - well that, and because he really isn't very good.

well, I mean he's fine up until the 5th inning, then he goes to crap.

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

"Everyone keeps saying Redding is "a candidate to be non-tendered," but not why. The surgery?"

Well, that or general suckitude.

Posted by: raykingsgutfeeling2 | December 11, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

506 I am not arguing I am simply stating facts!!

Posted by: beas13 | December 11, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Beas13 is smoking something...traderkirk is right, get better, and you STILL can only hope for 4TH PLACE. Who is going to be around in 3 or 4 years there? Weiters, Jones, and Markakis for position players. You need 5 more the last time I checked...

Posted by: 1of9000 | December 11, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Let's review shall we:

CNNSI says the Yanks are now in the Tex sweepstakes and sure to go all in.

FoxSports says the BoSox are 'getting closer' to a deal.

Someone on here posted that Stark said he'll go to the Nats.

In other words, no one has a clue.

Posted by: GoNatsTerps | December 11, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

JMAD;

Stark made that statement during an interview last night from the Bellagio at around 10PM on ESPN News. I'm still looking around the ESPN web site to see if he put it in writing, however I don't subscribe to the ESPN pay-thing and that might be where he put his statement down in writing.

Posted by: TippyCanoe | December 11, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

The Nationals don't have single player worth talking about. The O's organization is bad but the NATS are the Joke of the league. It's not even close and we have a bright future the nats have nothing.

Posted by: beas13 | December 11, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

1of9000 just ignore the kiddie. he just wants some attention, since Tex hasn't come begging to the Orioles by now, he's getting antsy.

just ignore him and he'll go away.

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

new post!

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"If he comes to a local team it will be the O's!!!!!!!!!!!!

KEEP DREAMING NATS FANS!!!!!

He's from Severna Park not DC

He loves the O's!!!!!!!!"

HIS FAVORITE PLAYER GROWING UP WAS DON MATTINGLY.

Posted by: JDB1 | December 11, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Stark also said it on Mike and Mike this morning

Posted by: JDB1 | December 11, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Here's how I see the lay of the land -- why Teixeira, all things being equal, should choose the Nats:

I agree with much of what "Josh" had to say -- coming to Washington presents a unique opportunity. I do think, though, that this extends beyond being "The Man" for 8, 9, or 10 years.

If I were pitching for the Nats, I'd say 4 things to Teixeira, 4 things which will resonate with him: Jim Palmer, Boog Powell, Frank and Brooks Robinson.

Those 4 will always have an enormous, and unique place in the hearts of Orioles' fans. I'm a NYer, transplanted to DC, but even I understand that. The connection those players have with the city, the team and it's fans must be emotionally satisfying, but it will always give them a place they belong -- and work, if they want it. They were the biggest stars on the first group of winners in Orioles history. Fans will never forget that, or forget them. For several generations of Orioles' fans, those guys are and always will be the embodiment of the franchise.

Even though Tex is a native, he will never have that same place in Orioles' fans hearts. He certainly will never find that in Boston, New York, or even with the Angels, who've already had their first run of greatness. He'll just be another player in a growing line of really good players for those last 3 franchises. And, in Baltimore, he faces the memories of past greats, as well as the challenge of changing the arc of that franchise.

With Markakis, Roberts, Jones and the rookie catcher, the Orioles have perhaps 3 or 4 pieces of a winning team -- but, that's it.

In Washington, the Nats are a few years ahead of the Os, because of the heavy investment in the farm system. They have some bats to put around Tex, now -- with Zimm and Dukes -- but they have strong young pitching prospects, and will fill in the holes they still have in short order. Teixeira would be the lynchpin of that effort.

More importantly, when the Nats turn into winners, probably 2 or 3 years down the road, Teixeira will be the guy -- or, at least, one of the guys -- who connects to Nats' fans hearts, in the way that Powell, Robinson and Palmer have up I-95.

Teixeira, Strasburg, Jordan and Ryan Zimmerman. Just like Powell, Palmer, Frank and Brooks Robinson.

Teixeira might have a lot more excitement the next couple of years playing for a pennant contender in New York, Boston or California, but he will not be part of building something that the fans will never forget. That's something he will only get in DC.

Posted by: fischy | December 11, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I agree wholeheartedly that the nats should have the fortitude to match any money offer and maybe even add more, if we're willing to go 160 why not the little extra not to get outbid, show this is no joke in this town, we need the credibility even if he doesn't accept an offer that would exceed the other squads.

Posted by: bford1kb | December 11, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

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