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The Meetings End, the Teixeira Chase Goes On

The taxi line outside the Bellagio Hotel is long, as most executives prepare to depart Las Vegas. (Jim Bowden, the Nats' GM, didn't even wait for the Rule 5 Draft to conclude before heading for the airport.) This week, the traditional Vegas goodbye query -- "Did you finish up or down?" -- has a baseball twist. The Yankees and Mets could certainly answer "up." Not sure about anyone else.

The next development in the Mark Teixeira sweepstakes should be the details of a Red Sox offer, but so far those details are hard to come by. Red Sox GM Theo Epstein told reporters the team made offers to three free agents, but he would not specify whether Teixeira was one of them. However, I have yet to come across anyone who does NOT think the Red Sox will come in with a major offer. Whether it will exceed the Nationals' bid (eight years, $160 million) remains to be seen. Scott Boras is seeking 10 guaranteed years for Teixeira, but there are no indications anyone has gone past eight.

There are plenty of reasons for the Red Sox to go hard after Teixeira (they have the money, they need to counter the Yankees' big moves, they need a middle-of-the-order bat, they have long coveted Teixeira, etc.), and only one reason not to (the delicate situation that could ensue, with the team probably being forced to trade the popular Mike Lowell). They also have a history of doing whatever it takes to get the players they want -- the most notable example being Daisuke Matsuzaka two years ago.

One Nationals official, just before departing, expressed optimism that the Nationals would wind up getting Teixeira, but that seems to be a minority opinion around the game.

Despite some reports, however, it does not appear as if the New York Yankees are getting involved.

I'll be joining that taxi line myself in a few hours. If I hear anything between now and then, I'll post it here.

By Dave Sheinin  |  December 11, 2008; 1:54 PM ET
 
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Well that was big fat waste of time!

One rule 5 reliever, no conclusion on Tex, and a rumour that Tavarez is headed our way... or not.

Woohoo!

Posted by: soundbloke | December 11, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Don't hold your breath. The Nats offer to Teixeira is competitive at $160M, but to beat out the Angels and Red Sox, who offer the chance to be in the spotlight and win right away, the Nationals offer needed to be 'out of the box' at $190M or so.

Boston can and will match the $160M offer, I am fairly certain of that.

So, no Teixeira for the Nationals unless they up their offer in years or dollars.

Posted by: leopard09 | December 11, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

"So, no Teixeira for the Nationals unless they up their offer in years or dollars."

Which they will. But will the others up their own offers more? And what role DO the intangibles and winning play?

One thing's for sure: we can count on anonymous insiders to throw us more scraps of personal opinion that we will salivate over like manna!

Posted by: Section506 | December 11, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

More amusing bits from the "oh how they toy with us" department. This from the latest Mike Cameron update from MLB Trade Rumors:


12:55am: According to Dan Graziano of the Newark Star-Ledger, the Yankees met with the Brewers Wednesday to resume trade talks for Mike Cameron that began at the GM Meetings. Whatever mild concern the Brewers reportedly had about trading away a friend of C.C. Sabathia's is gone.
7:15am: Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News says the Yankees are set to acquire Cameron for Cabrera.
8:41am: Tom Haudricourt is not sure this is done. He says the Yankees like Bill Hall as well. The Brewers could gain quite a bit of payroll flexibility here. It'd be interesting to see all three Brewers friends (including Sabathia) move to the Yanks.
9:28am: The Cabrera for Cameron deal is close but not done, according to Joel Sherman's source. He says the Brewers could receive a pitcher as well, with the quality depending on whether they'll assume salary.
11:17am: Ken Rosenthal says the potential deal hit a roadblock over the Yankees' desire to have Milwaukee pick up part of the tab on Cameron. Also, the Brewers want a second player after Cabrera. Tom Haudricourt says the Yankees tried to unload Kei Igawa on them.
11:49am: Joel Sherman talked to a top exec involved in the talks who called the chances of a deal "remote." Kevin Baxter of the L.A. Times was told the deal is done, however.
1:01pm: Cameron's agent told Tyler Kepner nothing has been completed. Kepner says the Brewers have actually been asking about Igawa.

Posted by: Section506 | December 11, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm frankly just sick of the whole thing. I just want it resolved one way or the other. The Nat's have too much they need to get done for on player to be taking up so much time.

Posted by: soundbloke | December 11, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I say give him 10 years if he wants it, because Boras will add an "out clause" in the contract after 3 or 4 years, which Texeira would of course take.

By that time, the Nationals will be very good and can withstand the loss of their first baseman. Chris Marrero would be ready, or they could simply make a trade or sign another free agent.

Makes a lot of sense to me.

Posted by: rushfari | December 11, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

"Jim Bowden, the Nats' GM, didn't even wait for the Rule 5 Draft to conclude before heading for the airport."


Jimbo,
Cutting out early after a disappointing/frustrating show? Now you know what it feels like to be a Nats fan!

Posted by: jctichen | December 11, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

If I were the Brewers' exec, I's keep stringing the Yankees along. Cause if they had the payroll flexibility (w/out Cameron and Hall), then they could have conceivably made a stronger offer to CC. Time to screw those who are screwed you.

Posted by: jctichen | December 11, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

This is what the PA announcer will say on opening day....'First baseman...Nick Johnson.' The Nats don't have the prestige yet to compete with the big boys. They'll have to earn it the hard way. I think last year was the year to make the jump with the new park, not year 2. You don't see the Yanks and Mets waiting for year 2 of there new parks do you? Of course you don't. Now, having Nick Johnson at first isn't a bad thing, just hope for once in his life he can play all season., though the track record doesn't suggest it will happen, hey, all things are possible.

Posted by: cokedispatch | December 11, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

The Nats Execs did exactly what they wanted to do at this meeting. Make a worthless offer to a player that they know will get much more from a nother team. They get to say they tried and ask us to continue to "Pledge our Allegance to the Nats".
In just two months until the MLB hand-me-downs report to Viera, FL. Get your deposits in for season tickets while they last.

Posted by: Batboy05 | December 11, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"You'll never make it, Joe! Just give up!"

Posted by: Section506 | December 11, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Batboy05, that's a pretty cynical view. If I believed that to be true, I'd become a Red Sox or Yankee fan and root for a team that makes huge offers with the view of signing the free agent target of those offers and doesn't lie to and manipulate its fans. But, I don't believe it so I'll be at Nats Park come April, regardless of whether Teixeira accepts the "worthless offer" of 8 years, $160 million.

Posted by: mojo6 | December 11, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't think this was the final offer, but I don't think the Nats will push much further. They may tinker with incentives, but I don't see them offering that much more in years or base salary.

So if we're dancing around 8/$160, is 9/$180 that much less palatable? All offers being equal, would an option year push him over the top?

If the Red Sox go 9/$180, would Tex sign with the Nats for 9/$181 and an automobile sticker?

I'm only partially kidding.

Posted by: JohninMpls | December 11, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

After reading countless posts from far-too-many "journalists" (legitimate and blogging), and sheepishly admitting to reading thousands of readers comments, the only thing I can be 100% certian of is that everyone is blowing smoke up everyone's a@@@s.

Oh, and that MLB should contract down to only 6 teams (BOS, CHC, LAA, LAD, NYY and NYM). Because these are the only teams the major-news people write about and are the only teams that anyone thinks top FA players should go play for.

Now that I've got that out of the way ... there's rumors that Dodgers closer Takashi Saito might be non-tendered tomorrow. When healthy, this guy has been really, really good. I'd like the Nats pick him up as the closer and move Hanrahan to set-up.

Posted by: erocks33 | December 11, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Saito is old and will likely be expensive.

Posted by: goexpos2 | December 11, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Basically, I'm for the Nats making almost any move to bolster their bullpen that does not include Class A Rule IV pickups.

Posted by: JohninMpls | December 11, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

It would be mind boggling if the Nationals can't find anyone else to play first during the off season and they have to go with Nick and he stays healthy, hitting .285-25-100 (which is what he'd do if he played in 160 games)?

Sooner or later, the law of averages says that he'll have to remain healthy for at least one season.

Maybe it'll be 2009....

Posted by: rushfari | December 11, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Unless the average is hurt. In which case, sooner or later the law of averages says he should have an outlier season and maybe it is 2009!

Posted by: Section506 | December 11, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

or maybe his "outlier" season was 2006 (147 games, 500ABs) and 2009 will just be more of the 100 game, 300ab average we're used to.

Posted by: sec231 | December 11, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

In Vegas, if you play the law of averages, you'll go home broke.

Posted by: Uncle_Teddy | December 11, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

From MLB Trade Rumors, again:

'Tim Brown and Gordon Edes talked to involved execs (not with the Angels) who believes the Boras camp is "using the media to ratchet up the price beyond what any team had actually offered." '

No, really?

Posted by: Section506 | December 11, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Again, the "devil is in the details" regarding Teixeira. The Sawx have problems with contracts that involve no-trade / opt-out clauses. With the Nats', it should be no problem; "Our initial offer is 8-years totalling $160M - You'd like two opt-outs? How about years 4 & 6, and we get a vested option year? Limited no-trade, how does year 3 sound, with a full no-trade after year 4? Performance kickers (MVP's), give me your list & we'll talk".
That kind of open-mindedness is the best way for the FO to have a chance at landing Teixiera.

Posted by: BinM | December 11, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Batboy05 - wow man. You forget your happy pill this AM?

How about some optimism here? People on this board whine all the time 'the Lerners are cheap' and 'they never do anything' and 'whine whine whine'. I'd say this is a legitimate offer for a legitimate player to come to Washington, DC and play baseball in a brand new ballpark...to be a cornerstone in creating a winner here - in the NL East - for a long time.

Take THAT you naysayers - or do you have $160 million dollars to toss at a ballplayer? No? Well sew it up already - think positive!

Posted by: dand187 | December 11, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

506, 231: N.Johnson (if he's still with the team come April) can only be counted on for 80 games. He's 30, he's incredibly brittle - swap him for what you can get & move on.

Posted by: BinM | December 11, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, Nick can only be counted on for 80 games, but in a pinch, Johnson and Young could probably be counted on to plug that hole at first, at least temporarily.

They could platoon.

Based on their last full seasons, their splits work out like this:

Johnson (vs.rhp) 400 at-bats: .285-20-60 .952 OPS
Young (vs. lhp) 250 at-bats: .287-4-44 .784 OPS

That would give the Nationals a .286-24-104, .894 OPS bat at first, assuming of course that they could stay healthy.

We can't count on one of them, but the two of them should give us 160 games.

Right???

Posted by: rushfari | December 11, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

This is from a poster on WNFF.net:
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Peter Gammons was just on Sportscenter.

While I like Gammons, he usually just reports positive news for Red Sox, he said the Nats are dead serious about getting Teix and that the buzz is that those there are pretty impressed with their aggressiveness in pursuit of Teix and that they really are trying to get better.
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just something for those who think our offer is not legit to think about.

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

and no, counting on Young/Johnson to be healthy enough to platoon is not a suitable option.

we've tried this already and it doesn't work. Johnson is snakebitten, and Young just doesn't give a f*ck now that he got his 5 mill per.

we need to acquire a first baseman, and move on past these two.

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

What's the big deal with a granting him a no trade clause?

Scenario 1: The Nats are still terrible in a few years, and want to shed payroll. By then, he'd probably be too fed up with losing and would welcome a trade. It's not like a no trade clause would limit the teams we could trade him to...his salary would. In either case, it'd be to a contender with $$$, that's almost always how it works.

Scenario 2: The Nats are good in a few years and don't want to trade him. No effect.

Scenario 3: The Nats are good in a few years and have someone to fill his position and want to shed payroll (see: Phillies and Thome/Howard). Even if Tex had a no trade clause, then he'd likely give it up b/c he'd be unwanted. Plus, with Boras, he might be able to work out an extension.

Scenario 4: Tex plays terribly for the Nats and we want to get rid of him. He'd prolly wave his no trade clause to get out of town.

The no trade clause would ultimately limit the options and teams involved, thus making a trade messier (i.e. Peavy), but that situation is more complicated b/c Peavy's contract is lower. For Tex at $20/yr, the scope is narrowed.

Regarding the opt out clause. Again, what's the big deal? Tex either over performs or performs and the economy improves and thinks he can get more. I doubt the Nats/Lerners would be heartbroken if he leaves after 3-4 years and relieves them of a $100mil obligation. I really think $20mil/yr is the max we're going to see paid for any player anytime soon.

Posted by: jctichen | December 11, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

When you give a player a no-trade clause, it sets a precedent where other players you try to sign might want the same thing. That's why teams are hesitant to do those or opt out clauses - its a slippery slope - kind of like caving to 1st round draft pick's signing bonus demands ALL the time....

Posted by: goexpos2 | December 11, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Count me among those who have called the Lerners cheap. Not any more. The Tex offer obviously is a bona fide one, and thus the Lerners would have to honor it if (very unlikely) Tex wants to play here.

So I no longer see the Lerners as cheap. And I do not believe there is any reason to go beyond 8/160. Of course, you could work around some other details, but that guaranteed money already on the table already is over the top for a guy of Tex's abilities.

So congratulations to the Nationals management for going after him, even if it's a long shot.

Posted by: JohnRVA | December 11, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Anyone have a clue as to Boras' haul this week? It looks like this Winters Meetings will bode very well for Mr. Boras.

Posted by: joemktg1 | December 11, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I think the market for the player dictates that more often than not. But it's archaic to not adjust to the times.

Posted by: jctichen | December 11, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Regarding EE#1's interest in Tex - to my eye, they will still have about $23 - 27m to spend even after they sign 2 of the 3 among Burnett, Lowe, and Sheets. I've read they dropped ~ $82m when the contracts expired for Giambi, Abreu, Mussina, Pavano, and Pettitte. They recommitted $23m to CC, and can figure it'll take about another $32m for the pitchers they want. Swisher can easily handle right in Yankee Stadium, Nady left, and Damon can play CF and bit in LF or DH when there are injuries or guys need rest.

I agree that the Red Sox stance against no trades and opt outs may give the Nats a chance in a bidding war. An opt out timed for after his 5th year would let him go for another contract at age 34. $20 million locked in 8 years from now, or even 6 years from now, might look like a bargain. Remember that Boras manipulated Manny out of the 2 option years Boston, or maybe the Dodgers, would have picked up at $20 million, and that would have been at age 37 and 38 and after 3 years where he needed to miss games. This is why I'm skeptical about a 10/$200m contract without opt outs. nearly equal money as the Red Sox, with an option for a high amount to dress up the deal as being more, and opt out and no trades beats a Red Sox offer.

Posted by: jca-CrystalCity | December 11, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

It's always worth pointing out when folks are willing to make reasoned assessments of the opinions they hold and change their minds.

It's evidence of a mature objectivity that is as rare in sports discussions as it is in politics. Good on you, JohnRVA.

That being said, I'd be willing to go to 8/$161. But heck, it's not my money!

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So I no longer see the Lerners as cheap. And I do not believe there is any reason to go beyond 8/160. Of course, you could work around some other details, but that guaranteed money already on the table already is over the top for a guy of Tex's abilities.

Posted by: JohninMpls | December 11, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"It's evidence of a mature objectivity that is as rare in sports discussions as it is in politics."

No it's not! Idiot.

Posted by: Section506 | December 11, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

When Tex comes to DC, our long National nightmare will be over.

Posted by: BobLHead | December 11, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

As seen on the nats320 site today (and as originally blurbed on the natsfanatics site):

Producer Steve Ray is looking for questions tonight for Nationals Insider--Winter Meetings Edition at 7PM on WFED--1500AM & 820 AM

Email questions can be sent to NationalsRadio@gmail.com

Phone Number to call in live: 877-936-9333 starting at 7PM.

Ray also mentions he's working with the WTOP Internet Guru's to have them load up the One-Hour Long Show to the FederalNewsRadio.com website for those that can't tune in tonight.

So give George Wallace, Craig Heist and Steve Ray a call or email tonight about Our Washington Nationals and The Winter Meetings.

Get the word out and tune in.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | December 11, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I wonder, can we listen to this over the 'Net?

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

http://www.federalnewsradio.com/?nid=249

to listen online.

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

turn those radios on!

Nats Baseball talk right now! (well, after the commercial is over)

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Manny, Bowden, Rizzo, and Ladson are scheduled to appear on the show.

OMG Nats Talk, on the radio...in DC! during football season! LOL WUT

use the link i posted above to listen online if you don't have radio access.

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Listening online via the above link from way down here in South Carolina....

Posted by: cokedispatch | December 11, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

first good tidbit from the show...

they say that we RAISED our offer from 8/160. they didn't know exactly how much we went up, but they said that we definitely did raise our bid.

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

late tuning in... WHO said that we raised our offer?

Posted by: Keenan1 | December 11, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

The guy that is in Las Vegas.

it was within like the first 5-10 minutes of the show.

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS:

ESPN reporting Tex signs with the Angels

8 years/$180 mil.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4206969

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

link doesn't work.

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Craig Heist is the guy in Las Vegas. I missed the first few minutes while trying to home in on the signal so thanks for that tidbit. (Hope that they pick up another affiliate before spring training - that signal is brutal in my neighborhood.)

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | December 11, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

If you haven't had enough of the Texeira talk tonight, Newschannel 8's SportsTalk is on right now and they are focusing on baseball tonight. They're talking about the Yankees and CC right now and why it's such a bad deal and I'm sure the Nats and Tex will come up very soon.

Posted by: BGinVA | December 11, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS:

ESPN reporting Tex signs with the Angels

8 years/$180 mil.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4206969

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this link is a blank page.

give us something definite please.

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

RE: Angels signing Teixeira

that link is pulling up nothing for me, only a blank page. I can only hope that this is not true; though, if it is, I'm glad it's not the Red Sox. I don't see anything on the main ESPN MLB page, so who knows...

Posted by: BGinVA | December 11, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

The link didn't work for me either. I also didn't turn up an item like that in the news on his player page on that site:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/news?playerId=4937

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | December 11, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

The only thing on the Angels' site is a piece on how Tex still remains a focus for them:

http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081211&content_id=3714318&vkey=news_ana&fext=.jsp&c_id=ana

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | December 11, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

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# The Angels' primary target right now is Raul Ibanez. With an already aging outfield, I can't say I think that's a sound investment for the Halos...
# Other possible targets include Adam Dunn, Bobby Abreu, and Pat Burrell
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from the LA Times, via MLB Trade Rumors

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Maybe a false alarm? I can't find anything anywhere about the Angels signing him. I would have thought that the Angels are pretty much out of the race anyway, as they have already announced their backup plans in the event they don't Texiera. The drama continues...

Posted by: BGinVA | December 11, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Yes, it sounds like it could be a false alarm.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | December 11, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I hope it is a false alarm.

Posted by: Cavalier83 | December 11, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Buster Olney just said that the nats have the best offer for tex as far as money goes so that report is false as far as i can tell.

Posted by: Baseball95der26 | December 11, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

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Just when you thought you'd seen it all from Manny Ramirez... here we go again.

Ken Davidoff writes that Manny is feeling ignored on the free agent market, and will consider retiring if he doesn't receive a good offer soon.

I give this about a 0.3% chance of being a legitimate threat, and about a 99.7% chance that this is the old cliche of Manny being Manny at this point.

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MAN-NY being MAN-NY. rofl.

he's starting to realize that that 6-year deal he wants is simply not going to happen.

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Peter gammons just said on espn news that the o's are close to signing tex.

Posted by: Baseball95der26 | December 11, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Link, schmink, I went to ESPN's website and did not see anything on that either on the main page or the MLB page.

Let us now use the phrase "hollywoodhogan420" as a replacement for whichever anatomy part that you use as a derisive reference.

Posted by: jca-CrystalCity | December 11, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Judging by the user ID of the person posting the link (a user ID that I've never seen on here, BTW), I'm not going to give any credibility to it. *If* a deal is done, something would have leaked out somewhere by now.

In your daily dose of Manny news, MLBTR is reporting that Mr. Ramirez is feeling "ignored" and apparently tired of waiting for a good offer, so he is threating to retire. Hmm.

Posted by: BGinVA | December 11, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Is that deal between Tex and the O's as sure a thing as the whole, "CC won't sign until next week at the earliest?"

Posted by: Cavalier83 | December 11, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

LOL at delusional Os fans

Posted by: Terpsrule | December 11, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Peter gammons just said on espn news that the o's are close to signing tex.

Posted by: Baseball95der26 | December 11, 2008 8:40 PM

Thanks for the laugh. No way Teixeira signs with a losing organization like the O's.

Now as for the Nats.....oh wait.....

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the laugh. No way Teixeira signs with a losing organization like the O's.

Now as for the Nats.....oh wait.....

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still waiting for that Angels link.

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Hahaha, this is the most fun I've had with rumors and flat out misinformation since the VP picking.

I actually found hollywood's news break hilarious.

Posted by: Section506 | December 11, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I actually found hollywood's news break hilarious.

Posted by: Section506 | December 11, 2008 8:59 PM

Nothing like just randomly making up information, backing it up with a real espn link (only doctored a little bit), and posting it to get everyone all worked up.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

Just remember folks:

nWo 4 life.

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

With that said I (seriously) have read and or heard the O's will/or have offered around:

9/190 to 10/215

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Where have you seen/heard that? And, not cool, by the way.

Posted by: Cavalier83 | December 11, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Where have you seen/heard that? And, not cool, by the way.

Posted by: Cavalier83 | December 11, 2008 9:09 PM

Please, you need to loosen up. Most of what is being reported in the national media is pretty much B/S anywa, so why not have some annonymous poster add to it.

All in good fun. I know I had a good laugh.

As for where I heard the O's offer, if you have the interweb and google I'm sure you can find it too.

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

all of the reports I've heard and read have the orioles offer as the lowest of the 4 teams

Posted by: Terpsrule | December 11, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, not cool at all.

Also, this is from early this morning, but I do have a link to validate the info..."However, as of last night, the Orioles hadn't gone as far as eight guaranteed years, according to an industry source. MacPhail said he has been keeping owner Peter Angelos abreast of the negotiations. Angelos has been long enamored with the first baseman, but, according to the source, he is against offering Teixeira a 10-year, $200 million contract, which is what the player and his agent had originally been seeking."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-orioles1210,0,3105554.story?track=rss

Posted by: BGinVA | December 11, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure that I can, but I just thought maybe, ya know, you'd want to substantiate what you (seriously) heard.

Posted by: Cavalier83 | December 11, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

I am listening to XM 175 (baseball channel) and they are saying nothing about Tex signing anywhere. Soooooo, I think all the stuff above this post is just smoke being blown up our .....

Posted by: cokedispatch | December 11, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

I think the Nats have a chance (if the FO is really serious) but will HAVE to give an opt out after year three or maybe year four.
This gives Tex a big payday (20 million a year for three or four years), with the option to opt out if things aren't progressing in DC. If not, Tex can bail at age 32 or 33 and get a bigger contract. The Nats would get compesation and, given the state of the farm system, may have another 1B ready.
Making this deal with an opt out clause makes the most sense for both parties.

Posted by: TimDz | December 11, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

@cokedispatch: it's been proven that anything in this thread to this point in terms of a sigining is pure BS. There are a lot of rumors floating around, and I imagine that Teixeira will sign somewhere within the next few days - I think we're finally getting close to the end of this...

Posted by: BGinVA | December 11, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

all of the reports I've heard and read have the orioles offer as the lowest of the 4 teams

Posted by: Terpsrule | December 11, 2008 9:14 PM

And out of all the reports there is no mention of specific numbers of what the Sox have offered. Do you really think the Sox could really be considered "frontrunners" to land Tex without actually putting out a specific offer?

Point is, take everything you read/hear in the media with multiple grains of salt.

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the rumors, offers, innuendo and other such nonsense:
Remember who the agent is here. Boras is this millenium's David Falk (i.e. the "Bird of Prey") and is a master manipulator who could sell water to a drowning man...

Posted by: TimDz | December 11, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-teixeira1211,0,6562897.story

could easily be misdirection on Macphail's part though.

supposedly the O's are waiting to swoop in at the last second and top whatever the high bid is.

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

I like to take my tequila with a few grains of salt...

Rumors? I don't take 'em salty...

Posted by: fischy | December 11, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

lemme clarify the above. I'm saying that the article i post could be misdirection, because I'm reading elsewhere that is a little less credible, that the Orioles are waiting to swoop in with a last-second "beat everyone" offer.

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

lemme clarify the above. I'm saying that the article i post could be misdirection, because I'm reading elsewhere that is a little less credible, that the Orioles are waiting to swoop in with a last-second "beat everyone" offer.

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 9:43 PM

wonder if you're reading the same information that I am.

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Wait, Scott Boras is Guy Fawkes?

Posted by: Section506 | December 11, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

OK...the latest XM update, quoting Scott Boras...Texiera is deciding between Washington and Boston. We'll just have to wait and see I guess.

Posted by: cokedispatch | December 11, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

wonder if you're reading the same information that I am.

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yes, I'm pretty sure that I am. I've been lurking over there all day.

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

If Teixeira chooses Washington I will put my face in his lap. Thats a promise.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | December 11, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

^^^^^

addendum: those guys seem to be REALLY confident, hollywood.

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

yeah, I think hogan's in that OTHER "section 420" if you catch my drift, and i think you do. I get the impression he's laughing pretty much everywhere he goes.

he no can has crabcakes.

***************
I know I had a good laugh.

As for where I heard the O's offer, if you have the interweb and google I'm sure you can find it too.

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 9:13 PM

Posted by: CEvansJr | December 11, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

^^^^^

addendum: those guys seem to be REALLY confident, hollywood.

Posted by: MrMadison | December 11, 2008 10:02 PM

Yeah, especially the one with all the information. Seems like he'd lose alot of credibility if things go another way.

I too have been reading there all day long as well. Seems to be alot of interest in that site in the past 24 hours or so eh?

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

the orioles insiders on OH are as "inside" as my 14 year old

Posted by: Terpsrule | December 11, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

What's OH?

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else find this a bit unnerving??
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If Teixeira chooses Washington I will put my face in his lap. Thats a promise.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | December 11, 2008 10:02 PM

Posted by: TimDz | December 11, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else find this a bit unnerving??
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If Teixeira chooses Washington I will put my face in his lap. Thats a promise.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | December 11, 2008 10:02 PM

Posted by: TimDz | December 11, 2008 10:11 PM

Maybe he/she is into that sort of thing. Different strokes....

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

way too much credence being given to so called insiders on a message board -- from any team - here's what we know -- the Nats offered 8/160, the Os 7/150, the Angels are waiting and the Sox are very interested - stark, gammons, etc., have all confirmed that the Nats bid (as of 9:11 pm) is the largest and the Os bid is the lowest - nothing else concrete has been established at all -- unless boras is the "insider" on this "site' everyone's quoting -- it's just noise

Posted by: Terpsrule | December 11, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm assuming Teixiera's wife would.
www.ntxe-news.com/artman/uploads/6611a.jpg
(second from left)

Does anyone else find this a bit unnerving??
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If Teixeira chooses Washington I will put my face in his lap. Thats a promise.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | December 11, 2008 10:02 PM

Posted by: TimDz | December 11, 2008 10:11 PM

Posted by: CEvansJr | December 11, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Gammons, Stark, etc. wouldn't know their a$$es from a hole in the ground.

For the record I think he signs with Boston. I do think Angelos would outbid the Nats though just because of his ego. He couldn't stand the "new team" in town getting his prized posession.

With that said, Tex will be on the Sox.

Also, I'm not going by what any "insider" on any messageboard says.

Btw, hope the Terps have fun with .500-Fridge playing out in the middle of nowhere for this years bowl.

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

here's what we know -- the Nats offered 8/160, the Os 7/150, the Angels are waiting and the Sox are very interested

Posted by: Terpsrule | December 11, 2008 10:16 PM

Seriously, do you not think the Sox haven't made a concrete offer? Just because Gammons, Stark, etc. haven't reported the Sox making an actual offer with years/dollars do you really no think the Sox haven't done this?

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

CEvansJr: There are SO many responses to that comment/picture....
But this is a family blog...

Posted by: TimDz | December 11, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

way to bring up the Terps in a thread about Tex and the Nats -- I guess that's what babies do when their widdle feelings get hurt -- grow up

I have no idea where Tex ends up - neither do you and neither do the experts on message boards -- don't know who you think you're quoting or hearing from or talking to - but unless it's boras or tex in person -- it's nothing but speculation and noise

Posted by: Terpsrule | December 11, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Well, as a grad of UMD, I think I can bring up the Terps whenever I see fit.

And you don't know maybe I have talked to Tex or Boras in person.

Boo-Yah!

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Of course the sox have made an offer, I never said they didn't - their numbers haven't been disclosed - but they've expressed their interest

Posted by: Terpsrule | December 11, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Then what does your infantile comment about Fridge have to do with anything? And why would you disparage your alma mater -- grow up

And if you're close personal friends with Tex and Boras -- then I'm Zsa Zsa Gabor

Posted by: Terpsrule | December 11, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Fridge has been a .500 coach since his 1st stellar year at UMD where he did good with Ron Vanderlinden's recruits.

Just because I graduated from a school doesn't mean I have to think everything about said school is all roses and candy.

No one said I had to be close, personal friends with either Boras or Tex to have a quick, friendly conversation with one or both of them.

Ain't that right Zsa Zsa?

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

@Terpsrule: by the looks of the handle, the last three numbers should give you an idea of why the comments are off target, off topic, off center.....

hollywood...STEP AWAY FROM THE BONG...

Posted by: TimDz | December 11, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

This is rapidly spinning out of control.

And I can't even change my handle to type, as "Peter Angelos": "My preeeeeeeeecious"

Posted by: Section506 | December 11, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Of course the sox have made an offer, I never said they didn't - their numbers haven't been disclosed - but they've expressed their interest

Posted by: Terpsrule | December 11, 2008 10:28 PM

That's kinda my point. We don't know everything. No one knows how much the Nats, O's and even maybe Angels have increased their initial offers. We don't know what the Sox offer is.

So you kinda basing things off of what Peter "I Love The Sox" Gammons, Jason Stark, or anyone else says is kinda irrelevant.

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

My friend Bob is reporting that Tampa Bay has made Tex a 10 year/225 million dollar offer...

Then again, he is also 420 friendly...

Posted by: TimDz | December 11, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the 420 part of my handle is the amount of time (in minutes and seconds) it took Hollywood Hogan to turn "to the darkside" in his 1st appearance in WCW when he joined the nWo.

Sorry, I don't do drugs.

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Tell your friend Bob that "users are losers."

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Fridgen was 11-2, 11-2 & 10-3 in his first THREE years as head coach -- but hey way to know what you're talking about when it comes to the school you graduated from -

@ TimDZ Yeah right ... pretty much

Posted by: Terpsrule | December 11, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Okay, you're a wrestling fan...THAT gives you credibility....
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Actually, the 420 part of my handle is the amount of time (in minutes and seconds) it took Hollywood Hogan to turn "to the darkside" in his 1st appearance in WCW when he joined the nWo.

Sorry, I don't do drugs.

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 10:39 PM

Posted by: TimDz | December 11, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Yeah and what's Fridge done with teams solely with his own recruits? .500-Fridge

As for me liking wrestling, I don't follow it anymore but as a kid yeah I loved Hulk Hogan. So what?

Is that the best you can do?

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Starks, Gammons, Baseball Tonight, ESPN, ESPN News, Baseball Prospectus, MLB.com, Baltimore Sun and Washington Post ... etc., etc., that's where I get my info from -- it's the same information everyone else has -- message board insiders and friends of friends of friends brothers from the front office -- yeah -- they don't know jack

Posted by: Terpsrule | December 11, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I was correcting your INACCURATE post .. this thread has nothing to do with Maryland Football!!

Posted by: Terpsrule | December 11, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

"I'M ON DRUGS!!!"

Sigh... another chance to sign my post something else.

~Russell Hammond

Posted by: Section506 | December 11, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Starks, Gammons, Baseball Tonight, ESPN, ESPN News, Baseball Prospectus, MLB.com, Baltimore Sun and Washington Post ... etc., etc., that's where I get my info from -- it's the same information everyone else has -- message board insiders and friends of friends of friends brothers from the front office -- yeah -- they don't know jack

Posted by: Terpsrule | December 11, 2008 10:47 PM

Again that's kinda the point, which you seem to be missing. The information we all have is most likely not all the information so it's best not to base your own thoughts solely off what is reported.

As for the Terps, we won't even discuss the mens bball team. Yikes!

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Up with hope!

Down with dope!

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Also, I am a golden God

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

I had no idea my gold jewelry was worth so much money.

And

ShamWow. You'll be saying WOW every time you use this towel.

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

hmmmmm

O's Exec...Poopy McPoop....hollywoodhogan420

Just sayin'...just wonderin'

Posted by: TimDz | December 11, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm not missing anything -- MY point - which you are clearly missing is that we only know about the offers that have been reported - y several media sources -- bnothing else -- you're arguing with me when WE'RE SAYING THE SAME THING --

Posted by: Terpsrule | December 11, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

hmmmmm

O's Exec...Poopy McPoop....hollywoodhogan420

Just sayin'...just wonderin'

Posted by: TimDz | December 11, 2008 10:57 PM

?????

No matter, everyone's gotta admit this blog has been the most entertaining since my "Breaking News post"

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

I never said I was a golden god.


Or did I?

Posted by: Section506 | December 11, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

you're arguing with me when WE'RE SAYING THE SAME THING --

Posted by: Terpsrule | December 11, 2008 10:59 PM

NO!! you're arguing wit hme when WE'RE SAYING THE SAME THING!!

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

And hey. I met you. You are not cool.

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Can you believe these new girls? None of them use birth control and they eat all the steak!

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

What are you 12? - Forget it- I'm done with the nonsense...


So to everyone else ... any guesses on when a decision will actually be made -- Tex said he wanted it done by Xmas -- as frenetic as the pace has been on this thing -- I'd have to think a deal gets done in the next few days ... hard to imagine anyone outbidding the Sox ... will certainly be an interesting couple of days

Posted by: Terpsrule | December 11, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Okay..we now officially have a new troll to stop feeding...

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Can you believe these new girls? None of them use birth control and they eat all the steak!


Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 11:06 PM


Posted by: TimDz | December 11, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

TimDz:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181875/quotes

Posted by: Section506 | December 11, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Okay..we now officially have a new troll to stop feeding...

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Can you believe these new girls? None of them use birth control and they eat all the steak!


Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 11:06 PM


Posted by: TimDz | December 11, 2008 11:08 PM

Actually Mr. Smartypants it's a quote from the movie "Almost Famous" a movie which both me and the poster Section506 have been referencing for a little bit now.

Oh Snap!

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Too many people take these anonymous blogs way to serious, especially in their attempts to "stop feeding trolls."

Some people need to ratchet down their seriousness-level.

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

What are you 12? - Forget it- I'm done with the nonsense...

Posted by: Terpsrule | December 11, 2008 11:06 PM

Man, you really can't pick up on sarcasm can you, even if someone is laying it on pretty thick.

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone remember when we discussed baseball on this forum? Good times... good times.

Posted by: soundbloke | December 11, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

I think everyone's in bed dreaming sweet dreams about Big Tex.

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Well, I've come late to this silliness, and I have to admit it's pretty stupid to indulge your sort of nonsense, but that doesn't make you smarter or cooler, Hogan. You're being a pr!ck.

What really disturbs me about this colloquy is why it wasn't automatically stopped at some point. As Soccer Insider, you get stopped if you post too many times too quickly. That would stop idiots from ruining the blog for those who are trying to find interesting comments among the dross. Too bad it's not working here tonight.

Posted by: fischy | December 11, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Calm down fish. It's all in good fun.

As for Goff and his blog, his blog is probably the most respected soccer blog in the U.S. so it's understandable that there may be tighter restrictions than say here on a Nats blog.

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 11, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

So, I'm checking out Ladson's posts -- he's saying the Nats have a real decision on their hands as to whether or not to offer Hill a contract.

I'd hate to lose him. If he gets healthy, he's going to be a helluva pitcher.

Ladson also affirms the chatter here about Dunn as a back-up plan. Unless Ladson doesn't know what he's talking about....

Posted by: fischy | December 12, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

I can't wait for Tex to go ahead and sign with us so that we can trade some outfielders and get some pitching. Why are we going after Edwin Jackson from Tampa Bay. The Tigers were trading a prospect for him. He's only 25 and had 14 wins last year...sounds like someone we could use and get for Kearns/cash and a low level prospect. JB are you reading this? Go get him while you wait for Tex!!!

Posted by: reverendnat | December 12, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, it's late. My post should say why are we NOT going after Edwin Jackson. I need to go to bed and dream of Tex at 1B!

Posted by: reverendnat | December 12, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Ah, the Boo-Yah clarifies things. Welcome back, O's Exec.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | December 12, 2008 6:27 AM | Report abuse

Ah, TimDz beat me to it.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | December 12, 2008 6:32 AM | Report abuse

I saw that MLBtraderumors last night posted a story that the O's don't plan on increasing their offer.

Posted by: Cavalier83 | December 12, 2008 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Looks like we're back to daily (or less frequent) postings two hours after the stories were scooped elsewhere. Guys at the WaPo, you ever hear of a primary source?

Posted by: jctichen | December 12, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Right now it seems that we are headed toward a rotation similar to Olson, Lannan, Redding, Balester, and Zimmermann. It's possible that Perez gets re-signed and replaces one of the last three. Other candidtates like Bergmann, Estrada, Martis, Mock, Chico, Clippard, and Hill are also possible. But I think the Nats still need to find another 200 inning pitcher. They say they are not in the market for a significant free agent, so that pitcher - if he's coming - has got to come via trade. Who's got that kind of surplus? Maybe the Tigers or the Cubs or a team that upgrades through free agency and generates surplus that way. The Cubs want to dump Marquis ($10M/yr). I think I read that the Tigers are looking to movve Willis or Robertson. Other than that, the innings will have to come fromwithin the organization - which currently seems more likely to deliver a series of 125-150 innings per year pitchers.

Posted by: natbisquit | December 12, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

"As Soccer Insider, you get stopped if you post too many times too quickly."

Yeah, unlike soccer, the baseball blogs are self-enforcing...

Posted by: Section506 | December 12, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

A follow up to previous post - Innings Pitched in majors: Olson 202, Redding 182, Lannan 182, Perez 160, Bergmann 140, Balester 80 (+78 Minors), Hill 63, Chico 48, Mock 41 (+104 Minors), Martis 20 (+115 Minors), Zimmeramnn (Minors Only 133).

The innings on Zimmermann raises the question of whether it is realistic that he fill a rotation spot for the full year. Conventional wisdom is you can add 30 innings per year so if they keep his innings per start down he could make it safely at 150-160 which would make him a 5-6 innings pitcher for 25-30 starts.

Posted by: natbisquit | December 12, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

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