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Two Bad Starts, One Slugfest

Let it be said, this was not a good day for left-handed starters. Both Jamie Moyer and Scott Olsen surrendered nine runs; when was the last time that happened in one game? There's a fairly basic explanation, of course: At this time of the spring, starts are more about pitch counts than performance. Both Moyer and Olsen stayed out there because they needed the work. Everybody else had to watch. We got a slugfest -- and a 12-10 Washington win.

Last season, Moyer, the Philadelphia lefty, started five games against the Nationals. In those 28-1/3 innings, he had a 2.54 ERA; he allowed eight earned runs. Today, the Nationals proved just how easily a couple swings from an improved lineup can trump last year's product. With two home runs from Ryan Zimmerman and one from Austin Kearns (his team-leading fourth), the Nationals thumped Moyer for 11 hits and nine runs in four innings.

Cristian Guzman and Alex Cintron both homered in the eighth, breaking a 10-10 tie. So yes, five homers for your Nats today. The 12 runs were their highest total of the spring.

While Moyer was throwing batting practice, Washington's starter, Olsen was eminently hittable -- especially in the early going. "I made some real bad pitches," Olsen said, "and the bad ones I made they didn't miss." (Example A: Ryan Howard's absolute bomb to opposite field in the first, a two-run shot.) To be fair, only four of Olsen's nine runs were earned, but still, the lefty surrendered 10 hits in the final outing of a mediocre spring.

His line today: 6 IP, 10 H, 9 R, 4 ER, 3 SO, 3 HR

For now, Olsen will let others worry about the performance. He said he feels fine, especially mechanically, and believes he's entering the season exactly where he needs to be. "Spring training stats are irrelevant," he said. "I could really care less what they look like."

Olsen said that he's always had lousy spring trainings.

For now, Olsen's career April stats give him the benefit of the doubt. In that month (15 career starts), he's 7-3 with a 3.64 ERA.

* Alex Cintron will not start the year on the 25-man roster. Acta said after today's game that the infielder is bound for Class AAA Syracuse. (Yes, he used the I-word -- "inventory" -- when discussing Cintron's value down there.) This means that either Kory Casto makes the team, or the Nats go with a third catcher. Indications are, the Nats take the third catcher. Which is one less, mind you, than they were carrying for a few games last year.

* Ryan Zimmerman is ready for spring to end. Really, really ready. He actually lamented his two home runs today, because... well, spring training has dragged on too long, and he's ready to go, so let's just produce when it counts. "Last week, week-and-a-half, it's tough to kind of get excited to play," he said. But, he added that he has felt good all spring. His 3-for-3 day raised his average to .255.

By Chico Harlan  |  April 2, 2009; 4:12 PM ET
 
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I don't understand the Kearns haters lamenting the fact that he's having a strong spring and may well be the starter in RF. We should all be hoping that he has a career year. Or at least a career half year. I'd be happy to see him starting in right, particularly as long as he stays hot.

Posted by: BobLHead | April 2, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't disagree more. Dukes needs the playing time.

Posted by: sec307 | April 2, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to see Elijah get the ABs, but it's increasingly looking like Kearns will be the starter in right. Let's hope he gets off to a hot start and his value shoots up.

Posted by: tallbaby2121 | April 2, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Kearns in RF Dukes in CF

Posted by: NATSFAN10 | April 2, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

right on, NATSFAN10. Totally agree.

Posted by: NatsNut | April 2, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

""If Kearns gets the starting nod over Dukes to start the season, it will only be because Kearns has had a hot spring while Dukes has been struggling. And that's only fair."

I disagree. Make decisions based upon what will happen in the present and future."

What WILL happen in the PRESENT? How about what IS happening in the present? Kearns is hot, Dukes is struggling. Kearns should get the nod as long as he stays hot.

Posted by: nunof1 | April 2, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

This is a very difficult situation for a Nationals fan.

Nick Johnson is playing well and it makes perfect sense to let him play for a while -long enough to get some value in a trade.

But that hurts Josh Willingham, who will have to sit behind all-star Adam Dunn.

Austin Kearns has now hit 4 homers this spring and is earning the opportunity to start, at least long enough to be able to be traded (and yes, the Nats would have to cover the majority of both of their salaries).

That said, the Nationals' best starting eight has Dunn at first and Willingham in left with Dukes in center.

Something has to give, and soon.

I really don't want to watch the Nationals use a "temporary" lineup until trades-or injuries-thin out the roster.

Boz believes-and rightfully so-that Willingham has the most value in a trade, but he's just the type of player I'd like to see play for the Nationals.

By 2011, Nick Johnson, Austin Kearns and (probably) Adam Dunn will all be gone while Willingham is under club control for three more years.

I hope Mike Rizzo's first significant trades make sense.

This close to Opening Day, I'd like to see a wee bit more roster clarity.

Posted by: rushfari | April 2, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

The Plan has to be about maximizing the value of our assets. If we sit Kearns we lose the potential chance to trade him in July for a prospect or two (now that Bowden is gone, we might actually be able to swing one of these deals).

Dukes isn't going anywhere, and we can get him enough playing time in CF and RF without benching a hot AK.

Posted by: BobLHead | April 2, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

"I really don't want to watch the Nationals use a "temporary" lineup until trades-or injuries-thin out the roster."

If the "temporary" lineup is producing, why not? That's what team depth is all about.

Posted by: nunof1 | April 2, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

@BobLHead - the reason is simple: THIS IS SPRING TRAINING. Stats mean nothing. Manny is going to hand him the starting job based on meaningless stats, completely ignoring his terrible stats - that actually counted - for the last two years. I repeat: IT IS SPRING TRAINING. Chumps have monster numbers all the time. It is no reason to screw up your lineup, which apparently Acta is about to do.

Posted by: kfisher32 | April 2, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't anybody want to win? Kearns is charging a killer spring, while Dukes is meandering through a diffident one. Johnson is as good a glove man at first base as there is out there, and he's a darn good hitter, too.

More to the point, the Nats really don't have a 1B to replace him. Willingham? He might have more power, if his back is healthy. However, he's no Nicky in the field, and Nicky's OBA and slugging are big. I'd have more confidence in his ability to get big hits. Trade him? Heck no! Sign him! If Marrero ever develops into a 1B, we can deal with that then.

Dukes? Worlds of talent -- an All-Star, maybe a Hall of Famer, if he ever gets it together -- but his approach right now is not good. Let him sit a little. It might be the best thing that ever happened to him.

Posted by: fischy | April 2, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

The Nats should take on Kearns salary and trade him. He's shown he's not absolutely terrible so there's got to be some value. The 8 million for one year of Austin Kearns is too much for most teams to handle, so we take on most of his salary and get some sort of prospect. We have too many outfielders so something needs to be done.

Call Jim Bowden. He must have had a plan of how to handle this. OK, probably not.

Posted by: BillyBeane | April 2, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"Chumps have monster numbers all the time. It is no reason to screw up your lineup, which apparently Acta is about to do."

So let the chump keep putting up monster numbers while he can. When he quits putting up the monster numbers, put someone else in. The lineup is a day-to-day thing. It's not carved in stone. Why is that so hard to understand?

Posted by: nunof1 | April 2, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

The chumps only get the monster numbers in SPRING TRAINING. That is my point.

Posted by: kfisher32 | April 2, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Those who want a trade -- what are we going to get that's so valuable? The shortstop of the future? A starting catcher better than Flores? The first baseman of the future? If you can find that out there, sure the Nats should grab on. If not, how will trading one of the Nats' best players make them better? Who's going to give the Nats a great prospect for Johnson and his $5 million, or Kearns and his $8 million? I'd like to see Nicky stick around, He's young enough to have 3 or 4 productive years left.

The best thing the Nats can do for their future is having an exciting team that plays well and wins a bunch of games this year -- that gets the area excited about the team.

Posted by: fischy | April 2, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

You assume the lineup is a day-to-day thing. I think Manny is very likely to pick one and stick with it (see CF). So the reason what you say "is so hard to understand," is that split playing time is an ASSUMPTION on your part.

Posted by: kfisher32 | April 2, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

"I'd like to see Nicky stick around"

I'll bet Zimm would join you in that sentiment. Nick vs. (DeMeat/Belly/Fick/LoDuca) reduces his throwing errors by about 90%.

Posted by: joebleux | April 2, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

@kfish:
So would Bard's ST numbers (.321/.571/.387=.958OPS) put him in the "Chump" category as well? Just askin'

Posted by: BinM | April 2, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

You know, it suprises me a little that the Nationals finally have enough talent on the 40-man that there are viable arguments about who should be in the starting nine. It's seems to be raising the blood pressure on a few of the posters, but it's a Good Thing, people.

The Nationals will start 2009 with five OF who could probably start for more than a few teams in either league; Getting our knickers in a knot over which ones might be in the opening lineup just shows that there are fans of the team (and in some cases, specific players), and that's all good.

Posted by: BinM | April 2, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm not an Austin Kearns fan. I think Boz made the convincing case that Dukes earned the RF job with his last few months of the last REGULAR season, ST be damned. But isn't our problem as simple as this: if Kearns rides the pine as our $8M fifth outfielder, then we'd be lucky to get a marginal AA middle reliever for him and that's if we ate $5M of his salary? If he posts numbers in April like he did in ST, we might be able to move him. If he doesn't play and bats only as an occasional starter or pinch hitter (and does so poorly), we won't be able to give him away.

Posted by: ArlingtonNatsFan | April 2, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Play Kearns for now and let Octodaddy sit & sub when needed. I'll take a chance those "monster numbers" might continue for a couple weeks or so. If not, Octodaddy can assume the position.

Posted by: cokedispatch | April 2, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Ordinarily, I would be against making decisions based primarily on a player's spring performance. The number of at bats they get is so small, that if they were in a slump for the same period during the regular season people would say it's no big deal. So why should it be the basis for decisionmaking this time of year?

But the Nationals are in an unusual position. They are simultaneously trying to decide whether Kearns can return to a previous output, whether Johnson is healthy, and whether either is tradeable. Plus they are worried about Dukes self-imploding after they potentially deal away the people who could replace him, or Johnson imploding after they get rid of Willingham. And then there's the whole debate about Lastings Milledge.

These are extremely difficult decisions, and notwithstanding the certainty of my colleagues on NJ I don't know what I'd do and I'm glad I don't have the make the decisions.

It's gonna be an interesting season, and an especially interesting first few weeks, that's for sure.

Posted by: Meridian1 | April 2, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

@coked:

Go easy with the phrase "assume the position" when referencing Dukes - It leads in far too many directions.

Posted by: BinM | April 2, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

"The chumps only get the monster numbers in SPRING TRAINING. That is my point."

My point is let him play into the season if he continues to put up good numbers and the guy behind him is struggling. When he stops putting up good numbers, pull him. That could be next week or next month, and so what if it is?

"You assume the lineup is a day-to-day thing. I think Manny is very likely to pick one and stick with it (see CF). So the reason what you say "is so hard to understand," is that split playing time is an ASSUMPTION on your part."

Manny has not operated with an etched-in-stone lineup any time in the past two seasons. Why is he going to start doing that now? He's said already that no one on this team will be challenging Cal Ripken's record. Look for everyone to get 1-2 days off per week, except probably Dunn, Zimmerman and Guzman. It's a long season, and there are a lot of ABs to go around.

Posted by: nunof1 | April 2, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Interesting old quote from Manny Acta (March, 2007):

"He has performed pretty well," Acta said, "but . . . take a look at the batting averages of most of those guys right now ... Take a look at it now... That's why in this game you have to be patient and not read too much into spring training."

Hopefully he will follow his own advice. He was referring to Kory Casto at the time.

Posted by: kfisher32 | April 2, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

from a few threads back about your first ballpark visit...

@rushfan

You mentioning Bill Gormly from Channel 5 in 1962 reminds me of semi-brush of fame with Mr. G. I was working for a media outlet in the 1990s and Bill was a spokesperson for the WSSC.

I had to call the agency about some water or sewer-related problem in the Maryland suburbs and Bill answered my call. When he told me who he was I asked if he was "the" Bill Gormly who used to host the cartoon show on Channel 5 back in the 60s? He hesitantly said "yes." and then I said "I know you probably don't want to hear this, but when I was a kid I used to rush home from school to watch your show."

He again hesitated and said "That was a long tome ago. Thanks a lot."

Posted by: leetee1955 | April 2, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

How sad is this:
The Pittsburgh Pirates lost today.. to Manatee Community College! Not even a regular university team. Sad. 6-4. It might have been a split squad I think, but even so, that is sad.

Posted by: kfisher32 | April 2, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

The Phillie announcers today called out Dukes on one gapper - wondering if he saw the ball, when he would go after it. He's gotten a pretty easy ride on NJ, but he's not immune to mental gaffes, just like a certain young CF.

Clearly he has huge potential and good results last year, and I want him to play. But if Kearns has earned the playing time, then maybe Dukes has to wait.

If the current performance is a close call (giving Kearns the big benefit of the doubt - AK haters notwithstanding) then it may make sense to showcase AK in the field as trade material. But please Nats, no JimBo fiascos like LoDuca in the field to try to create value where none existed.

Geezer

Posted by: utec | April 2, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

kfisher32, you're right of course that spring training stats don't mean all that much in the grand scheme of things. But likewise, there's no magic switch that turns things on for a player in the instant between the end of ST and the start of the season. The choice is between Kearns and Dukes. Kearns is hitting well now, Dukes is not. That's unlikely to change between now and Opening Day. That has to count for at least as much as their respective records last year and in the years before as well. Really, in all your arguments here you sound like someone who has Dukes on his fantasy team rather than Kearns. This isn't fantasy baseball. Yesterday's records and stats count for nothing. The only thing that counts is what a player is doing right now.

Posted by: nunof1 | April 2, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

All of these arguments I'm hearing about playing Kearns to increase his trade value are fine. At least they make a logical point... that is if your primary goal is not wiinning this year. Perhaps it is not, which is also fine. What is REALLY disturbing, however, is that these arguments assume that Manny is an impotent puppet manager. Obviously MANNY cares about winning this year, because he does not yet have a contract for NEXT year. Thus to say they might play Kearns merely to increase trade value is to admit that Manny is a puppet.

Geezer - think about what you said about LoDuca. You are convinced they played him not because he was the best player but merely to try to gain some trade value. Thus, you are admitting Manny is not calling the shots, the GM or FO is.

If that is the case, this team is even more of a joke than last year's W-L record indicated and it is a slap in the face of all Nats fans.

You don't play someone to try to impress other teams. You play to win.

Posted by: kfisher32 | April 2, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

"You don't play someone to try to impress other teams. You play to win."

Which is why you play the guy with the hot hand instead of the guy who is struggling. Right now, that would be Kearns over Dukes.

Posted by: nunof1 | April 2, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

"All of these arguments I'm hearing about playing Kearns to increase his trade value are fine. At least they make a logical point... that is if your primary goal is not wiinning this year."

I recall some very good quotes being made by some posters about how you might want to play Kearns if you DO want to win. I recall also that some of those posters were quite good looking, too.

Posted by: Section506 | April 2, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

@nunof - See previous post about how Manny and I both believe that spring training stats don't matter. "Hot hand" is not determined by sping training stats. As Manny says, "do not read too much into spring training." You go with the better ball player which is clearly Dukes or Willingham.

Posted by: kfisher32 | April 2, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

HEY!!!! Do we have a playoff potential squad? NO!, So why not let players play themselves in or out of the lineup I am the last person to support Kearns that being said if he earned "some" playing time then..............Dukes should know how much he means to this team don't come to spring training with a half-ass effort we need to get off to a good start to build confidence from opening day so be ready to get busy when sping training starts end of story.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 2, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

"You go with the better ball player which is clearly Dukes or Willingham."

Not right now it's not. It's Kearns. If that changes once the season starts, then the lineup can change.

I think you need to understand the distinction between using spring training stats to decide who makes the team and who gets cut versus using the way two players who have both made the team already are playing at any given moment to decide who gets to start tomorrow's game.

Posted by: nunof1 | April 2, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't accept that neither nick nor kearns will be tradeable this year. Kearns, with $9m owed counting next year's option buyout, just needs to establish he's back to his averages, even his 2007 performance, and he can be traded for another bad contract.

For example, while Rocco is looking good, were JD Drew to go down for any length of time, the Red Sox would certainly be willing to move a Julio Lugo (owed $18m over the next 2 years) for Kearns. Now maybe Lugo isn't everyone's cup of tea, but he could play 2d and has good range. Most errors are throwing, and 2d might be an easier throw.

I'm not saying this is the right deal, but there are other bad contracts out there who might bring back a useful part.

Finally, as for Nick, Sean Gallagher had a rough spring and did not make the As rotation.

I don't have the patience to go through all the contracts with > $6m owed, but I'd guess those might provide players that could be targeted by the Nats.

Posted by: jca-CrystalCity | April 2, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Alright, I'm going to give this a try. Nunof1 and Spamcastin will have to let me know how I do:

If Kearns is a stale donut, Dukes is a creme brulee.

Wait, wait. How about this one:

Kearns is to Taco Bell as Dukes is to Capitol Grill.

No, the food stuff just doesn't work for me.

Posted by: kfisher32 | April 2, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

"For example, while Rocco is looking good, were JD Drew to go down for any length of time, the Red Sox would certainly be willing to move a Julio Lugo (owed $18m over the next 2 years) for Kearns. Now maybe Lugo isn't everyone's cup of tea, but he could play 2d and has good range. Most errors are throwing, and 2d might be an easier throw."

Why would the Nats want to exchange Kearns's bad contract for Lugo's bad contract when they already have Belliard to offer what Lugo would provide? Really, it would amaze me if the Nats took on anyone like that via trade. If they pull off any trades, it would be for prospects or the equivalent of Willingham/Olsen, i.e. players with several years of team control left.

Posted by: nunof1 | April 2, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

kfisher, how about this: It looks like Kearns may start the season in RF with Dukes as a backup. Nonetheless, they'll both have equal access to the clubhouse spread. Get used to it.

Posted by: nunof1 | April 2, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Especially since Taco Bell is awesome.

Posted by: Section506 | April 2, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

What I'll get used to is weak double play grounders and inside pitch strikeouts... but if that is how the FO wants it, so be it. Or he might hit 20 HR (LOL) and I will eat humble pie. (that wasn't bad, right?)

If Kearns wins the job, the over/under on the number of games until Carpenter awards him the gold glove is about 4. The only thing more annoying than Kearns is Bob Carpenter.

Posted by: kfisher32 | April 2, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

"The only thing more annoying than Kearns is Bob Carpenter."

You obviously have never seen Clint.

Posted by: nunof1 | April 2, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

I recall also that some of those posters were quite good looking, too.

Posted by: Section506 | April 2, 2009 9:24 PM
****************
Can't believe this got by with nobody commenting. Thanks for the laugh!!

Also, nunof, your dumb jokes can be annoying sometimes but you've made some very good points this evening, including the Clint comment. Bravo.

Posted by: NatsNut | April 2, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I give up.

I've been blogging about the Nationals since October 2004, and can probably name most every player in the farm system.

I mean, I'm about as die-hard as it gets.

Yet, every few days, somone mentions "Clint," usually in a not-so-nice way.

I live in Idaho, so I'm no privvy to the insider stuff.

Please, have pity on a guy who is party responsible for you getting your Idaho spuds .... who/what is Clint and why does everyone seem to hate him??????

There. I feel better.

Posted by: rushfari | April 3, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Can someone find Kearns' GIDP/PA ratio? If it doesn't lead the league I would be shocked. Enjoy watching rallies die in the 6 hole for the first two months of the season.

Worst RF in all of baseball last year. Bottom third the year before that. 4 exhibition homers mean a whole lot more now than they used to I guess.

Posted by: RickFelt | April 3, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

rushfari,
Clint is the Ryan Seacrest wannabe, cheerleader guy who walks around the stadium with a microphone during games and introduces the little in-game contests and giveaways. He talks way too fast to be coherent, asks questions of fans without passing the microphone over for us to hear the answers, and generally comes across as if the bit he's doing is about him, not the fan he's talking to.

Once I thought maybe I wasn't his target market and maybe there was a niche of, say, 13-year olds girls who respond to him. But during one of his bits, a couple of them didn't seem very impressed with him either.

Now. I've heard that in person he's a decent guy, nice enough, down to earth, etc. But on camera and microphone he needs to bring it down about 4 notches because he's incredibly annoying.

Anyone, feel free to correct me if I'm off here.
:)

Posted by: NatsNut | April 3, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

rickfelt, seems like we've done-to-death last year's results for just about everyone. THE WHOLE TEAM SUCKED. And everyone was injured. Let's turn the page and look at what's in front of us right now, can we?

Kearns has a team-leading 4 home runs. Now. Doesn't mean he has a career year this year. But doesn't mean he sucks necessarily either. Let's just see what happens.

Posted by: NatsNut | April 3, 2009 12:43 AM | Report abuse

I second NatsNut re. nunof's comments in this thread.

To veer back into food territory briefly: Taco Bell is not awesome. Baja Fresh is decent. A real taqueria beats 'em both, hands down. Are you listening, Stan and Lerners?

Idaho potatoes (potahtoes) are awesome. Thanks, rushfari.

Also:

O's and Nats today,
Battles of the Beltways rock,
exhibition, heck!

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | April 3, 2009 6:18 AM | Report abuse

Also, that was a superb story on Casto, Chico.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | April 3, 2009 6:27 AM | Report abuse

Re the Casto story, has JayBeee cancelled his subscription yet?

Posted by: nunof1 | April 3, 2009 7:21 AM | Report abuse

Baja Fresh, not what it used to be.
Five Guys too, for that matter.
Taco Bell? Never was.

Posted by: nunof1 | April 3, 2009 7:23 AM | Report abuse

The one advantage to being a Nats fan in Idaho is that you have no idea who Clint is. But really, I think that should be remedied. I hear there are Nats fans in all kinds of diverse places, Idaho, Alaska, etc. Clint should be dispatched to make personal visits to all of these fans. Seek them out, welcome them to NatsTown, try to sell them a mini-plan. He could hit the road today, take his time and do it right. No need to report back in here until October or November at the earliest. Make it happen, Stan.

Posted by: nunof1 | April 3, 2009 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Good one, nunof! Always nice to start the day with a laugh.

Also, new post is up.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | April 3, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

>The choice is between Kearns and Dukes. Kearns is hitting well now, Dukes is not.

Yeah I think that what you really need to be looking at is what type of swing each guy has. Kearns has a big blind spot on the inside half, and if he overcomes it most of the time, he'll succeed, but he's going to have periods where it looks like he never swang a bat in his life. Dukes' problems are more lineup-related, because once they have him situated between two serious bats, he'll do just fine. He's got the perfect stroke, he just needs to be patient. That's a lot different from what Kearns suffers from, because he's had to change his whole philosophy in order to hit. And when you do that, you sometimes lapse into your old habits. Dukes doesn't have any bad habits, at least as far as his swing goes. It's just about perfect, imo.

Posted by: Brue | April 3, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

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