Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity
On Twitter: AdamKilgoreWP and PostSports  |  Facebook  |  E-mail alerts: Sports and Redskins  |  RSS

Future Plans For Detwiler, Strasburg

Ross Detwiler makes his first big league start tonight. By the accounts of most in the organization, this is only a cameo; Detwiler is not yet ready to be a long-term fill-in for injured lefty Scott Olsen. But that doesn't mean Detwiler isn't rising. When he is returned to the minors, Detwiler, who was promoted from Class AA Harrisburg, will likely be sent to Class AAA Syracuse.

In other words, a promotion by way of a DC layover.

"This is the plan we've had in place since spring training," acting GM Mike Rizzo said today. "We were going to give him around 10 starts in Class AA and then move him to Class AAA. I think he had seven [actually six] starts in Class AA, and he's gonna start here for his eighth start. And when we do return him to the minor leagues, he probably does go to Class AAA."

*

Now, a little update on the Nats' plans for their next first-rounder...

Provided the Nats draft pitcher Stephen Strasburg with the No. 1 pick in the June 9 amateur draft, they then arrive at the first decision -- determining how on earth to meet his contract demands. Provided they reach a deal with the San Diego State right-hander, they then arrive at the second decision -- determining how to handle the rest of his 2009 season.

Early indications suggest that Washington will take a cautious approach, preferring to keep Strasburg in the minor leagues. Even if he does debut in the big leagues, he will not inherit a prominent role, a team source said yesterday. More likely is a September cameo, similar to the one-inning appearance that Detwiler (the 2007 No. 1 pick) received months after he was drafted. Such a debut could even be a part of contractual obligations, depending on the demands of Strasburg's advisor, Scott Boras.

Though the Nationals might face public pressure to use Strasburg as a gate attraction and pump his ascension as a landmark moment for the franchise, those on the baseball side believe that Strasburg still needs a little more seasoning. Also, they speak of the desire to limit his innings. Already this season, he has thrown 94-1/3 in 13 college starts. By the time the draft comes around, Strasburg -- who has at least one start remaining in the Mountain West Conference tournament -- will be over 100 innings.

Speaking last week, Strasburg's college manager, Tony Gwynn, reiterated that his pitcher is not yet ready to pitch in a big league rotation.

"No. No," Gwynn said. "He's still got some learning to do. He would have some success, but I've said all along that he will have to throw more balls over the plate at the next level. You saw [in college games] that he would throw his breaking ball out of the zone and guys couldn't check their swings, couldn't stop themselves from swinging. And that's not to say he's not gonna be successful at the next level. He's going to be... Eventually he is going to get there and eventually he's gonna have success. Whether he's gonna have success right away? I think you have to learn how to pitch at the next level."

*

Just less than two years ago, Ryan Wagner underwent arm surgery that changed his career. In retrospect, that June 2007 procedure to repair a torn right labrum also ended his career. This week, Wagner, who had been pitching in relief with the Class AAA Syracuse Chiefs, aborted his comeback attempt, informing the Washington Nationals of his retirement.

"It took us by surprise," Rizzo said. "He wasn't very effective, but he was still coming off the surgery and trying to come back in the swing of things. He wasn't going to get replaced. He was still in the bullpen."

In spring training this year as a non-roster invitee, Wagner admitted that he still hadn't recovered the old bite on his breaking balls. But the 26-year-old, a 2003 first-round pick with Cincinnati, was nearing his old velocity. Wagner came to Washington as part of the July 2006 trade that also netted Austin Kearns and Felipe Lopez. He hasn't pitched in the big leagues since May 2007.

With the Chiefs, Wagner had a 6.11 ERA in 17-2/3 innings and 13 games.

*

Both Austin Kearns (hand) and Elijah Dukes (hamstring) are being held from the lineup today while dealing with day-to-day injuries. Either can play in an emergency situation, and neither appears headed to the disabled list.

*

Tomorrow morning, a yet-unannounced Nats player will be at Kimball Elementary School, reading to a group of second grades as part of a program to promote literacy. The Nats have partnered with a literacy nonprofit called Reading is Fundamental, which has a program that aims to distribute more than 13,000 books to DC public schools. Kimball is the Nats' adopted school. Reading is Fundamental CEO Carol H. Rasco and mascot Screech will also be at the event.

By Chico Harlan  |  May 18, 2009; 6:31 PM ET
 
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: Tonight's Lineup
Next: "I've Never Seen Anything Like It"

Comments

Last year Strasburg pitched the following inning totals:
SDSU 97.1
Team USA 41
Olympics 11

total 149.1

If time off is minimum he could extend that number.

Let's play two!

Posted by: SlowPitch63 | May 18, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Chico - Great stuff!!!! Thanks!

Posted by: GoingGoingGone | May 18, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

If he pitches well, we shouldn't claim him as a savior and wish him to stay up all year. If he gets rocked, we shouldn't proclaim him to be a bust and that he should never, ever see a major-league pitching mound ever again. "

ABSOLUTELY EROCKS!!!!

By the way ESPN reported that Carlos Delgado is out 2 months and 2B Rickie Weeks (Mil) will be out the entire year.

Trade Johnson... Trade Belliard....
Trade the old bring in more prospects... this season is lost and it's all about the future.

Posted by: PNatsFan | May 18, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Whoh, PNats:

NJohnson to the Mets would be suicidal - they're in the same division, and he would only come back to haunt the Nationals. To the other suggestion, what possible interest would MIL have in Belliard; the best he'd rate is a low-A prospect. Heranndez would possibly buy the Nationals sombody with a higher ranking, but who?

Posted by: BinM | May 18, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Ugh. Guz with two errors in the FIRST INNING. Geez...

Posted by: BGinVA | May 18, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

What did I just say, Guz?? I hope you got that out of your system. The kid pitched in some big games for the P-Nats down the stretch last year and he kept his poise. Go get 'em now!

---

Okay, Rachel, I'm with you. Go, Nats! Help the kid out in his first start.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | May 18, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | May 18, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

NJohnson to the Mets would be suicidal ...


Yeah you are probably right BinM... I was just thinking it might be time to unload some of the older guys who are performing now and get some top prospects so that we can be more than competitive in a couple years...

Buy High sell low... My fear is that Johnson get's hurt again and we can't even sell him low...

Posted by: PNatsFan | May 18, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

natsfan1a1: No damage done. =) Guz won't do that again. Now it's 2 on, none out, let's score some runs! :)

Posted by: rachel216 | May 18, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Sorry if its already been brought up, but Rizzo is making the commitment that they will draft best talent with 9A:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=864

Posted by: goexpos2 | May 18, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Wow plenty of crickets at the ball yard tonight - is there any place with less excitement tonight?

Posted by: bendersx6 | May 18, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

PNats:

Sell high, buy low with NJohnson is a good idea - you just have to be careful who you sell to. Just move him to a team that has a need, but can't really hurt the Nationals (SF, SEA, KC, TEX, LAA, OAK, SD, CLE, MIN, ???). June (& the trade deadline) will tell us more.

Posted by: BinM | May 18, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Detwiler is getting squeezed a bit on the strike calls, and so he's having to work a bit harder and longer than we'd like (not to mention the two extra outs in the first inning). Aside from that, though, the first two innings have been solid, 1 K and 1 infield single.

Posted by: faNATic | May 18, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

I liked the sarcastic cheers when Guz caught the pop-up in the second. He gave himself a little hand, too.

I'm with you on the runs, Rachel. Come on, guys!

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | May 18, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

bender:

Yeah - FedEx field & Redskins Park - but the local press still have 6-7 writers assigned to the beat. Go figure.

Posted by: BinM | May 18, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

faNAT:

He's not geting "squeezed" he's just pitching in the Majors.

Posted by: BinM | May 18, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Another error. Our defense stinks!

Posted by: BGinVA | May 18, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

And MASN stinks too, as they didn't even show the botched pick-off.

Posted by: BGinVA | May 18, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Yikes - what is going on with the errors?

Posted by: PattyinSJ | May 18, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

and here we go...

Posted by: BGinVA | May 18, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Detwiler is getting figured out PDQ. Not enough in his arsenal - hate to be a nattering nabob, but he ain't ready either.

Posted by: bendersx6 | May 18, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Hope everyone heard that. Carpenter and Dibble just pointed out that the Nats took fielding practice today. I guess I don't have to point out how much it's helped so far.

Posted by: baltova1 | May 18, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

hey I'm the nattering nabob around here

Posted by: natteringnabob | May 18, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

My Kingdom for an Error-Free Game!

Posted by: Juan-John | May 18, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Detwiler's doing alright. I'm not so sure that HR ball shouldn't have been caught. I like the fact that he's jamming a number of righthanded hitters.

Posted by: baltova1 | May 18, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Pittsburg has figured him out PDQ. He looks pretty good. Take some bad fielding away and this game is still scoreless. Same story different day. Detwiler hasn't lost his cool though

Posted by: natsguy | May 18, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Pitchers need to take PFP while the rest are doing infield.

Posted by: natsguy | May 18, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Bard!

Posted by: FloresFan | May 18, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Why is Cintron hitting??????? Why is even here?????????? The whole world wonders!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: natsguy | May 18, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Srsly, what are the future plans for Cintron? Manny has such an obvious man-crush on him, it's ridiculous.

Posted by: VelocityAtrocity | May 18, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Hahahahahaha

Posted by: RickFelt | May 18, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

GUZMAN WALKS!!!!

Posted by: natteringnabob | May 18, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Knowing the state of this bullpen, it is unfathomable to me that Manny would hit for Detwiler in the 5th inning of a 3-1 game where the kid has thrown only 84 pitches and is coming off a 1-2-3 inning. Is that runner at second that important, and that much more likely to score if you bat Cintron there? C'mon, Manny, you're making it very hard to defend yourself here.

Posted by: mjhoya12 | May 18, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Pulling Detwiler there for Cintron is completely indefensible. Acta apologists, please come up with something.

Posted by: RickFelt | May 18, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Chico Harlan with the shout-out on MASN.

Posted by: JohninMpls | May 18, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Johnson!

Posted by: rachel216 | May 18, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Man, Detwiler really deserves this.

Posted by: JohninMpls | May 18, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

ZIM! this is awesome!

Posted by: rachel216 | May 18, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Acta apologists, please come up with something.

Nats 5, Pirates 3, and they're still batting.

Posted by: baltova1 | May 18, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Here we go. Take out the starter after five innings who made one bad pitch. The pinch hitter does nothing. Big bats come alive. Now time for the bullpen. Make it 9-5 Pittsburgh.

Posted by: MKadyman | May 18, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

It's all on the bullpen now. A 5-3 lead, let's see if they can do this.

Posted by: rachel216 | May 18, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Hahaha didn't realize I was commenting on an old posting when this happened.

I defend Acta as much as possible, but that is just a horrible decision. Cintron should be cut immediately... shocker he flew out, I could've told you that would happen. (By the way, Guzman got a walk!!!! Amazing.) We could be in this exact same position with Detwiler whose throwing great right now coming in for at least one more inning. I know its nice to have him go out on a high note, but 5-7 for Pittsburgh is 0-6 against him tonight. Heck who knows, Detwiler might have managed to get on base. I'll tell you this much, he has just as good a shot as that zilch Cintron does.


---


Props to NJ and Zim

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | May 18, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

This offense is for real. Now the pitching must pick it up to where the offense is. When was the last time we scored LESS than 5 runs?

Posted by: rachel216 | May 18, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I usually turn off game after the 6th inning because I just can't bear to watch anymore. Its like binge and purge.

Posted by: natsguy | May 18, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Nats 5, Pirates 3, and they're still batting.

Posted by: baltova1


And that wouldn't have happened if they left Detwiler in? That has anything to do with those two HRs???? Now the pen gets an extra inning or two to tank. Outstanding.

Posted by: RickFelt | May 18, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Another BAD move by manny let pitchers pitch!!!

Posted by: mintbucket | May 18, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Detwiler has a good game! The errors suck but NJ gives us the lead! RZim adds another run! How exciting!!

Oh wait. Gotta give the game to the bullpen now. Pulling Detwiler to send up Cintron. Manny needs to get a job in little league. Something he can handle.

Posted by: SaveOurTeam | May 18, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

nats bullpen doing what they do best

Posted by: natteringnabob | May 18, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again. Throw strikes!!!!!

Posted by: natsguy | May 18, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

great: first batter BB. Now at 2nd pitch in dirt.

At what point will St. Claire be held accountable just as Lenny Harris was held responsible? Just a matter of time.

Posted by: joemktg2 | May 18, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

If anything I'd rather see Manny give Cintron a shot in the bullpen.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | May 18, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Oh excellent, Colome is up in the pen!

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | May 18, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Oh my. Can ANYONE get it done? This bullpen is terrible! walking people, now hitting people. ugh, we just got the lead.

Posted by: rachel216 | May 18, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

What is the problem???

Posted by: natsguy | May 18, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Why can't the bullpen put up a ZERO?????

Posted by: rachel216 | May 18, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Here goes... god help us...

Mock has been spending some quality time with DCab.

Posted by: SaveOurTeam | May 18, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Unfriggin believable.

Posted by: joemktg2 | May 18, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Some things are just better left unsaid...

Posted by: RickFelt | May 18, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

As I said earlier same story different day. These guys are crap.

Posted by: natsguy | May 18, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Bullpen SUCKSSSSSSSSSS, we just got the freakin' lead and now you give it up!!!! Good job! Now the offense has to do it again. That would'nt of happened if you didn't walk a guy, then hit a guy!!!!!! Same old boring story every single game.

Posted by: rachel216 | May 18, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Haven't seen anything coughed up that fast since my kid tried to eat dirt.

Posted by: mjhoya12 | May 18, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

un
frickin
believable

Posted by: FloresFan | May 18, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

No one in the bullpen should get their paycheck. They're not doing their jobs.

Posted by: rachel216 | May 18, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Acta is an idiot. And this bullpen is one of the worst I've ever seen.

Posted by: 1stpick | May 18, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Gotta go can't watch anymore.

Posted by: natsguy | May 18, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I HATE our bullpen!!!!!!!!!!!!! I so want to give up on this team but the 3 young starters and the lineup keep me watching! I used to support Acta but he doesnt know how to manage! He pulls starters way too early! Why leave them on a high note when the bullpen erases their work???? Keep Detwiler here and release Cabrera....This team is so damn disfunctional! Could you imagine how good a team like Seattle would be with this lineup?? Sheesh!

Posted by: CaliforniaRN | May 18, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Manny thinks there is a rule in MLB that all players must play. That would explain the Cintron move--and using all relief pitchers in innings 6-9.

Posted by: SorenKierkegaard | May 18, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

un
frickin
believable

Posted by: FloresFan

No, it's actually really believable. We're all used to it now so it's not unbelievable anymore. We should not be suprised anymore, we've seen this all season long.

Posted by: rachel216 | May 18, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

"Don't look at the third stat, you'll feel a lot better."

Yeah, now I feel great.

Posted by: joemktg2 | May 18, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

This is the MLB right? I mean seriously, these relievers are TERRIBLE.

Posted by: 1stpick | May 18, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

"are you sure we're not in the movie Major League?"

DIBBLE IS GREAT!!!

Posted by: joemktg2 | May 18, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Was there a reason why Ross couldn't go 6, 7 or maybe 8, oh yeah I forgot the saber-metric genius in the dugout had to get Cintron a chance to bat. This is not funny anymore, I see Mark Lerner is sitting in the expensive seats tonight, maybe he'll grow a pair and scream in the dugout and tell Acta to hit the road!

Thanks Manny, everyday Colome just keeps pace with the rest of the garbage.

Posted by: TippyCanoe | May 18, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Dibble is calling this bullpen (and management, coaching, etc) out - I love it!

But uh, the continued walks and hits...I do not love.

Posted by: ElisaVitale | May 18, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

LOL. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Posted by: 1stpick | May 18, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Can this frigging loser. The sooner the better.

Posted by: RickFelt | May 18, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Moan... Make it stop...

Posted by: swang30 | May 18, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Oh well, this is getting frustrating. When you just get the lead and the very next inning you give the lead back that is very demoralizing, this game is probably over.

The bullpen has to come out and put a zero on the board after the offense gave them the lead. Bottom line. You can't give the momentum right back to them. Oh yeah, Colome sucks, and so does all the other pitchers on this team, except for Martis and Zimmermann.

I'm off to watch hockey. This is so frustrating.

Posted by: rachel216 | May 18, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

GAHHHHH!!!!!! It's so GD hard to even enjoy the offensive spectacle that is the Washington Nationals because of the comic tragedy that is their bullpen. What a frigging joke.

Posted by: RicketyCricket | May 18, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Chico can just write one article and it'll work for every single game. Offense is there, pitching sucks and blows the game every time, offense keeps battling back but too late, game over. There's your summary.

Posted by: rachel216 | May 18, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Lerner's Losers

Posted by: bryc3 | May 18, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Bard just what they needed another 4A re-tread.

Folks this is against the Pittsburgh Pirates

Posted by: TippyCanoe | May 18, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey we're down 3 again!

Posted by: 1stpick | May 18, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I feel bad for Charlie Slowes and Dave Jageler. They are good guys.

Posted by: natteringnabob | May 18, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

And Colome walks off like nothing happened. What a loser.

Posted by: rachel216 | May 18, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

This has gotten out of hand. Kasten needs to do something. Fire somebody..I don't care who...just someone

Posted by: FloresFan | May 18, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I surrender.

Posted by: baltova1 | May 18, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I have come to love Dibble, and I never thought I would. He calls it like it is and his frankness goes well with a beer. Weeping. Weeping.

Posted by: hooverama | May 18, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

At least there is karmic balance. Score 5 give up 5.

I swear the position players need to have a code red blanket party with the members of the bullpen.

Posted by: RicketyCricket | May 18, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

We should be winning games and be better than 11-25 when the offense is third in the NL!!! Stupid pitching!!

Posted by: rachel216 | May 18, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

I have never seen a bullpen that is so unbelievably terrible in my entire life and their fielding is embarrassing! If it weren't for the offense, this team could get beaten by a high school team!

Posted by: rxs85 | May 18, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

It stopped! the Inning stopped! There is indeed a God.

Posted by: swang30 | May 18, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

The offense gives them a two run lead and then the bullpen gives up 5 runs. The offense will sooner or later just give up. They know if they score 3 runs the bullpen will just give it all back. *SIGH*

Posted by: rachel216 | May 18, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

On Dibble...
I have to admit I was thinking how "refreshing" it was to hear a call it as it is guy in the broadcast booth... I can here Don Sutton right now... "Colome is such a great pitcher, if he can just locate his first pitches a little better, he is going to be a HALL OF FAMER"

Yeah I don't miss corporate line Sutton.

Posted by: PNatsFan | May 18, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Let's look on the bright side, everyone. We've got three innings yet to play. Still plenty of time to grab the lead and blow it again (at least once)!

Posted by: SorenKierkegaard | May 18, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

lol, they're not even on a 50 win pace.

Posted by: rachel216 | May 18, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

A half hour ago when it was 5-3 and Acta pulled Detweiller I predicted it would be 9-5 very soon. It is 8-5

Last week I asked why Acta insisted on pulling starters after five or six innings no matter how well they were doing and I was called an idiot by some baseball genius who posts on here. Now what do you say?

Posted by: MKadyman | May 18, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Marv Throneberry and the '62 Mets were throw-aways, and no one was surprised by their record. This team has an excellent offense yet tracking just a shade above the '62 Mets. That gives some perspective on how bad the pitching and defense are on the Nats.

Posted by: joemktg2 | May 18, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

On that caught stealing - it would have sailed into center field if Hernandez was still in the game, because he would be running to cover first...

Third time is the charm.

Posted by: wigi | May 18, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh well, the offense just gave up.

Posted by: rachel216 | May 18, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

A little life..

Posted by: 1stpick | May 18, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

They're teasing us again!

Posted by: rxs85 | May 18, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

if only we had half of this offense in 2005 we would have made the playoffs ... Man this offense is fun to watch.

Posted by: PNatsFan | May 18, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

What the ----? I go into the gym right after I listen to Nick hit the homerun, and I come out and turn on the radio in my car (XM, since 1500 SUCKS in Fairfax at night, but that's another gripe for another day) and we're losing 8-5?!?! UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!! Heads have to roll - this is inexcusable. And, as I write this, Dunn strikes out. Sigh...

Posted by: BGinVA | May 18, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

And a leadoff triple for the Pirates. It will indeed be 9-5, probably in about 30 seconds...

Posted by: BGinVA | May 18, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Jack Wilson is superman, make a straight up trade for Jumpin Jack!

Posted by: TippyCanoe | May 18, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

There is it #9, my lord!

Posted by: TippyCanoe | May 18, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love Captain Jack Sparrow Wilson.

Posted by: PNatsFan | May 18, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Thank God that the post-season is here for college baseball. Watching my LSU Tigers play will take away some of the stress the Nats bring. Oh, Coleman, the pitcher the Nats drafted from LSU last year has probably played himself into the 4th round. Oh well, looking back at it now, I'm glad the Nats were too cheap to sign him. He is a key component to the Tigers success this year. Maybe the Nats will draft him again this year? He could be a LEGIT closer for this team, but is the no. 2 for LSU currently.

Posted by: 1stpick | May 18, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Just what the docotro ordered lets bring in Biemal becuase ......., the bullpen needs work since they have been blowing out the opposition over the past 36 games, or Acta had to cut a fart and he didn't want to let loose in the dug-out. Oh yeah McClout is the next Mickey Mantle

Posted by: TippyCanoe | May 18, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Colome's ERA is 22.50! Can we call up Rudy Stein?

Posted by: SorenKierkegaard | May 18, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Turned from a closer into the Nats no.2 because he is that good.

8-1 with a 2.38 ERA.

Posted by: 1stpick | May 18, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I mean LSU's no.2

Posted by: 1stpick | May 18, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

i don't know much about college baseball, but I realize it is sad if the #2 closer on the LSU team could be our starting MLB closer as 1st pick suggests.

At least Potomac won tonight... Can't wait until they get back home.

Posted by: PNatsFan | May 18, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

This team is a in desperate need for change. Manny Acta has to go. Seriously does this team take ground balls, or do they just take batting practice. This is the worst defensive team I can ever remember watching, and I've watched a lot of high school baseball.

Posted by: rskinz34 | May 18, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Who needs Jack Wilson? I've got my own Jack --- Daniels, that is, and I'm going through plenty of it at this rate!

Earlier today, there was some debate as to whose bullpen is worse, ours or the Twins'. I don't think there is any comparison. My roommate is from the midwest and a huge Twins fan, and we've had this debate. He just laughs everytime he hears me screaming at the TV, as he knows it is because our bullpen has failed yet again. The Twins may not have the best bullpen, but ours is definitely worse.

Posted by: BGinVA | May 18, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

No PNats, you took what I said wrong.


Louis Coleman is LSU'S no. 2 starter, but he was the LSU premier closer last year and was at the beginning of this year, but he was so good and effective that LSU made him into the Saturday night starter for LSU. He is very good and he has probably played himself into the 4th round this year. I doubt he would be playing for the Nats right now but he could be the Nats best closer in a year or two had him and the Nats agreed to a deal.

Posted by: 1stpick | May 18, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I wonder why I even bother checking the score. I am now glad that Sunflower cable does not carry the MLB package because if they did I would have thrown something through the plasma by now. Something has got to change and change soon. I am tired of this team being a laughing stock.

Posted by: mastroj | May 18, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

good for coleman!

I'm sure somewhere there is somebody who still thinks that the Lerners not spending money on improving this team is justifiable.

They are probably the same people who feel Acta is doing a great job.

Posted by: PNatsFan | May 18, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

At this point I wonder if anyone is better than Manny. Bullpen and errors. Get some discipline to cover those errors and leverage your rotation over your bullpen.

The problem is the bullpen doesn't even need a full inning to blow the game. There's a disease out there. They need serious leadership bad. At the helm and in the pen.

Posted by: SaveOurTeam | May 18, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I never thought I would long for the days of Ray King, Luis Ayala, and Jon Rauch. Dibble is right we are not a contending club, we are a developmental club. Let the kids develop up here. If they can't hack it, cut them loose.
I have been a huge Manny Acta fan and he probably will be a success somewhere in baseball. I look at the Bobby Cox stats with the braves on his first stint and they were terrible just like the Nats, but he defensive errors fall directly on him. He either needs to make them take fielding everyday for 2 hours or step down.

Posted by: wrw0601 | May 18, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Also, as mentioned in the beginning of the commments, we should not trade Nick Johnson to the METS, not because they are in our division because he will get hurt again, but because the Mets have nothing in terms of return in pitching prospects. No we should trade Johnson and DUkes when healthy to the red sox for their pitching prospects. Trade two players guranteed to go on the DL, but when healthy are game changers to a club that doesn't have to depend on them for everything.
- BTW Daniel Bard has been perfect in his 2 appearances so far.
I say we find a few big prospects and start spreading rumors about the NATS interests. Before you know it we will be on mlbtraderumors and Buster Olney's column.

Posted by: wrw0601 | May 18, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Fault with Manny here on pulling Detwiler for Cintron. A sac bunt with a man on second and only one out is a better call than a 2 for 16 pinch hitter, ESPECIALLY when the pitcher is getting hotter and only has 80 pitches.

Then we could have lost the game in the seventh inning or maybe even the eighth.

And as my red-headed Cubs-fan fiancee said, "Using these bullpen guys more often doesn't make them any better..."

Posted by: Section506 | May 18, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

It is official now: Acta is an idiot and needs to be fired. Replacing Ross D. after five innings because he comes up as the next hitter in the 6th is stupid stupid stupid. He (Acta) himself said the bullpen is a disaster - then why going to the pen?
Make Wells a starter for now!

Posted by: johnbear1 | May 18, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Then we could have lost the game in the seventh inning or maybe even the eighth.

Exactly. That's why I still don't put very much blame on Manny. If he leaves Detwiler in to pitch the 6th, then the bullpen blows it up in the 7th. What's the difference?

So, now what? Dump Colome and Mock, bring up Bergmann and Clippard? Send down Detwiler, bring up Stammen? Any chance that helps?

I guess we should enjoy the fact that if our bullpen's going to be bad, they're historically bad, because I've never seen anything worse than this.

Posted by: baltova1 | May 18, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

10-6 now. We're done. Even though I have a partial ticket plan, I am not going to any more games for the foreseeable feature, unless there's a headline in tomorrow with the words "Acta" and "Fired" in it. You all are right - Acta yanked Detwiler way too early tonight, and it backfired. I've already lost the money on my tickets (which, Stan, I have NO intention of renewing next year), but there's no need for me to waste additional money on Metro fare and beers. I can buy a six back of Bud for the price of one beer at the park. Sorry Stan, but you are getting the attendance you deserve.

Oh, and it's 12-6 now. Yipee. Nine runs for our 'pen tonight.

Posted by: BGinVA | May 18, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Nick is only signed through this year with no option. A trade to anyone would only inflict a wound this year. And dead men can't commit suicide. Can't give him away, have to get something better than a sandwich pick (I think he'll be a Type B FA), but don't hesitate if we can get good value from a divisional team. Think of it as robbing them of a prospect when Nick walks from them next year.
-------------------------------------
"NJohnson to the Mets would be suicidal ...


Yeah you are probably right BinM... I was just thinking it might be time to unload some of the older guys who are performing now and get some top prospects so that we can be more than competitive in a couple years...

Buy High sell low... My fear is that Johnson get's hurt again and we can't even sell him low...

Posted by: PNatsFan | May 18, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse "

Posted by: jca-CrystalCity | May 18, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and I forgot to mention that I can scream obscenities from the comfort of my own home and my roommates are used to it. The ushers, on the other hand, don't seem to care for it very much.

Posted by: BGinVA | May 18, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Acta must go now. Nothing else needs to be said.

Posted by: rskinz34 | May 18, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Go ahead Dibble.

Posted by: rskinz34 | May 18, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I know I'm just opening myself up for abuse here, but...seriously, what difference would it have made if Manny leaves in Detwiler for another inning? We delay the carnage for an inning? It's not like Detwiler's going to stay in there for the whole game. Sooner or later you have to use the bullpen. I just don't see the managerial strategy that would keep our bullpen from blowing up, no matter who's running the team. Again, it's not that I love Manny Acta, I just think we've got much bigger problems to worry about first.

Posted by: baltova1 | May 18, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Still nobody has suggested firing the bullpen coach. Is it really Acta's fault??

Posted by: tengoalyrunr30 | May 18, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Aside from the atrocious play . . . what is going on with stadium amenities? Many of the vendors along the RF Mezzanine have been closed for the past few weeks (especially the stand-alone carts) -- even over this past weekend while the Phillies were in town. Wish the Grounds Crew blog was still running -- it's unbelievable that fans who gut out this misery by showing up at the ballpark have to walk half the concourse to find a hot dog or avoid a long beer line because only one Base Line Brews is open.

Posted by: msolem | May 18, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

What difference?

Giving a kid 20 more pitches to prove he belongs, or just to see what happens.

Giving that same kid the opportunity to practice laying down a bunt off a major leaguer.

Giving two pitchers another night off, so when they come out their stuff is mediocre not atrocious.

Giving the fans a peek at the future.

Giving yourself a few more days on the job.

All seem pretty good things to me. What do you get by taking him out for a horrible pinch hitter that's up here as a defensive replacement?

Posted by: Section506 | May 18, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

So are we to believe that the Manny "genius" here is that the whole year is toast so now it's all about getting guys out there to work on their pitching. So great.. Detwiler's doing good. He doesn't need much help. The pen does so I'll put 'em in early and give 'em more innings to work out their problems. IF that's what he's thinking it's stupid but it's the only minutely rational thing I could come up with.

Otherwise it's just dumb, dumb, dumb.

Bobby has his warts but he's got two things that Manny doesn't have (and won't ever have?): discipline and accountability.

How about a www.firemanny.com ??

Posted by: SaveOurTeam | May 18, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I have to say, that my heroes are the National's batters. How they go out there night after night and score 5+ runs, even in late innings, knowing what is waiting for them, is beyond me.

The heart those guys have, even after they exacerbate the problem with some pretty bad fielding, is really astounding. They never give up.

The fact that I have nothing more to say to you tonight, bullpen, makes me admire the batters even more.

Posted by: Section506 | May 18, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

What is up with this? Coming in to the last series, the Phillies had lost 6 of 8. And now, we get blown out by the Pirates, who just yesterday snapped an 8-game losing streak.

Posted by: BGinVA | May 18, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I always liked Knorr during his time as the P-Nats' skipper but I've also been wondering about this.

---

Still nobody has suggested firing the bullpen coach.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | May 18, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Right on 506. There was no up side to taking him out and lots to miss out on. Every inning the bullpen isn't on the mound is a better chance to win the game however slight it may be.

Posted by: SaveOurTeam | May 18, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey all of you who think Acta ashould not be fired: this team leads the majors in errors, had four tonight yet this team still does not take ground balls before games. And dont get me started on pulling starters early, this team could easily have 30 less innings pitched by the worst bullpen on the history of the sport.

Posted by: rskinz34 | May 18, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Our bullpen has proven that they can just as easily blow it in the 9th as in the 6th. It would only have put off the inevitable for a few innings.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | May 18, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Good night, Gracie.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | May 18, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

The funny thing is that - according to both the radio and TV announcers - the Nats did do fielding drills today.

As others have mentioned, Manny was too quick to go to the bullpen tonight. Yeah, you've still got to go them at some point, but each additional inning pitched by a starter is one less inning pitched by a reliever.

Posted by: BGinVA | May 18, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Bob Carpenter with the depressing news that we're on pace for 48 wins.

Posted by: BGinVA | May 18, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Yeah. Maybe we do have a Randy problem all around. Maybe start with dumping mini-Randy and see what happens. Can't be much downside to that. The bullpen can't get any worse. If we can't get discipline from Manny maybe we can get it in the pen from someone else.

Posted by: SaveOurTeam | May 18, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

If Frank Robinson wass the manager of this team do you think we would lead the mlb is errors? Not saying bring back Frank but someone who has been around and knows the game.

Posted by: rskinz34 | May 18, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

How about a www.firemanny.com ??

***************************************

Somebody (and it's not me, by the way) is already on that one: http://firemannyacta.blogspot.com/

Posted by: BGinVA | May 18, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Real Baseball Intelligence (RBI), a leading resource in the evaluation of amateur baseball talent and draft coverage, offers its 2009 Baseball Draft Guide. The Guide includes RBI's Top 400 draft prospects, scouting reports of the top ten at each position (including San Diego State's Stephen Strasburg), a mock draft and more. It is available at withthefirstpick.net/guide

Posted by: bhyman1 | May 18, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Acta's presser is the same old news - all excuses, no answers.

Posted by: BGinVA | May 18, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Manny just said that it would have been "really scary" if he had to keep his "Double-A guy" (Detwiler) out there instead of going to the "big-league bullpen" when asked about his reasoning for removing Detwiler when he did. When did we get a big league bullpen?

Posted by: BGinVA | May 18, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he was looking at the Pirate 'pen and got confused.

Posted by: SaveOurTeam | May 18, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Go ahead Ray Knight

Posted by: rskinz34 | May 18, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Acta's presser is the same old news - all excuses, no answers.

Posted by: BGinVA | May 18, 2009 10:51 PM

There are no answers right now. He has no pitching. That's it: end of story. Zippy bullpen talent. NOTHING.

And now Ray Knight is teeing off on the bullpen.

Posted by: joemktg2 | May 18, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Manny should be fired, but when I heard on the car radio that Cintron was pinch-hitting in the 5th, I literally screamed "Nooooooooo, Manny!" in the car. I turned the radio off, and in between getting out of the car and turning on my TV, strangely -- nay, SURPRISINGLY -- enough, Cintron scored an OUT.

PLease God, send Cintron back down and bring somebody -- ANYBODY up to do the first pinch hit.

Posted by: Juan-John | May 18, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

In the past Manny has said he likes to replace his starter so he can leave on a positive note., with a good feeling about his outing. I have to admit, I never have gotten that logic. Now, if the pitcher indicates he has had it between innings, thats another thing entirely. I haven't done the research, but I'm sure somebody in here has, how many innings has Detwiler been averaging per start at AA?

Posted by: cokedispatch | May 18, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Sad about Wagner.

Posted by: JohninMpls | May 18, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

I think Charlie said that Detwiler's five innings matched his high from Harrisburg. I would probably double-check that though, in case I'm not remembering correctly...

Posted by: BGinVA | May 18, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Hate beating a dead horse but Manny is managing the Nats as if he doesn't even know the team. How on earth do you pull a pitcher after 5 innings who has thrown only 84 pitches when you have 4 innings left and no bullpen. He acts as if he's never seen our team before. Not only does the starter have to go one more inning, he probably should go 2. And to manage as if possibly one offensive run is more important than shutting down say 4 or 5 runs of the opposition shows that Manny Acta is completely clueless.
But now forget about Acta, the Lerners and Kasten have to be held accountable. This is absurd. Is anyone awake at the switch?

Posted by: dovelevine | May 18, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey Lerners, Hey Kasten, Anyone Home???!!!

Posted by: dovelevine | May 18, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Acta has to be gone after this homestand. If he's not this franchise and ownership group aren't worth supporting.

Posted by: RickFelt | May 18, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Acta -- be a man or as close to one as you can be. Quit. Immediately.

Forget anymore lame-arsed excuses. Nobody wants to hear them. You have failed about as miserably as anyone who ever had the cajones to call themselves a manager.

FOUR FREAKIN ERRORS. Why? Because you failed to get these guys ready to play fundamentally sound baseball. They are an embarrassment and you are the reason.

St. Claire -- Ditto.

You are the pitching coach. If I were you I would hang myself in effigy. These guys should be forced to forfeit their pay or donate 100% of it back to the fans. They are an embarassment and you are the reason.

Just quit. Leave. Now.


Posted by: randy_boyd | May 18, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Uhm, sorry to burst your bubble, but the 2006 Nationals skippered by Frank Robinson had 131 errors, worst in baseball.

2006 - 131 Worst
2005 - 92 #23
2004 - 99 #21
2003 - 102 #20
2002 - 139 #3

Posted by: Section506 | May 18, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

ray knight should be the new manager, these guys have been babied. knight would channel his spiritual kin bobby and smack (or choke) them into shape. we need some fire and some discipline its clear manny has neither. pull the trigger lets go

Posted by: formerlylove1 | May 18, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Here is the way the Romans dealt with a failed legion: by random order, every tenth man would be killed, no appeals, no crying. Hence the origin of the word decimate. Rizzo should line up the bullpen, after every blown save one random guy gets released and a bus ticket home. Since none of them show much promise and all except Villone have a blown save or worse all are eligible for the treatment. To make it an even ten men eligible add Olsen and Cabrera to the list as well--if either of them get released I will start to smile a little bit.

This may actually improve the bullpen through subtraction. By just random signings someone who can get three outs may appear on our bullpen roster eventually. BTW, I am soooo glad to hear Manny say that Hanrahan is still our closer. The cream rises in this organization.

Posted by: driley | May 18, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Check out Chico's gamer. Made me laugh.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/18/AR2009051803360.html

Posted by: Juan-John | May 18, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Section 506;

All due respect, but these Gnats are on a pace for between 145 and 150 errors. Through 37 complete games they already have 40.

Why? Because Acta and company failed to either get them ready to play, or the "professionals" have already given up and just don't care.

I personally wouldn't care if they went 0-162 if they played baseball like professionals -- especially given the price they charge to watch it. But the simple, incontrovertible fact is that they don't. And in the end, the failure lies on Manny Acta.

Posted by: randy_boyd | May 18, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Really? Did you just say burst my bubble.

Posted by: rskinz34 | May 18, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

I feel bad for the fans of this team. While the offense is solid, this pitching staff is beyond bad. I'm sure Jim Bowden had plenty to do with this. He was an awful GM and was brutal in his latter years with the Reds.

I've watched some of their games of late and am dumbfounded as to how bad the staff is.

Why would anyone sign the likes of Tavarez, Cabrera, Colome.

Once in the last six years Tavarez has had an ERA of under 4.47. It baffles me that teams keep signing this washed up soon-to-be 36-year-old.

Cabrera. He'll never get it. Leo Mazzone couldn't help him. Enough said.

Colome. One decent year in the last five.

Does this team have any young kids to turn to? It certainly would be better than these washed up bums.

Posted by: chris1972 | May 18, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Chico -
Any word on Willie Harris? He went down while at bat in the 9th and looked like he was in pain. With an already day-to-day Dukes and Harris isn't 100% since the last injury, it seems like a good time to send Cintron down and bring up Maxwell.

Posted by: ilovethenats | May 19, 2009 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Worried about trading Nick Johnson, 30, to the Mets?

Why?

By the time the Nationals are ready to contend in the NL East with Strasburg, Zimmermann, Martis and Lannan Nick Johnson will probably be discarded by the Mets.

Posted by: leopard09 | May 19, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

The comments to this entry are closed.

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2010 The Washington Post Company