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Pitching Update [Update!]

Zach just called; he's writing Game 1 on deadline so asked me to post this info.

* Scott Olsen had an MRI after the game on his shoulder and could be headed to the DL. [UPDATE: Sorry, miscommunication with Zach on that one.] Olsen was not available to the media after the game.

* Shairon Martis is pitching Tuesday.

* They will call someone up to pitch Monday. No word on who as yet.

[Update: Detwiler, mentioned in the last thread, is 0-3 with a 3.00 ERA, 10 walks and 28 strikeouts in 27.1 IP. WHIP is 1.407.]

Manny, post-game, from Zach: "We have Cabrera today, we have Zimermann tomorrow, we're going to bring up a pitcher on Monday, and then on Tuesday, we're going to have Martis."

Which pitcher is coming up: "As soon as we want to announce it, you'll know."

By Tracee Hamilton  |  May 16, 2009; 4:25 PM ET
 
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Comments

Thanks, Tracee (and Zach).

Bummer, but on the other hand I'm glad that they are taking a look at Olsen and perhaps can figure out what's been up with him.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | May 16, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Does it seem to anyone else that Manny tends to manage his bullpen like every game is a playoff game?
Pull your starter at the first/any sign of trouble ... plow through relievers willy-nilly with little regard for tomorrow ... this is how the playoffs are usually managed these days. What it doesn't take into account is that unlike the playoffs, it's MAY and you still have 130 games to go! Not to mention, this bullpen isn't exactly playoff-caliber ...

Posted by: mjhoya12 | May 16, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

The pitchers aren't veteran playoff caliber either. You have to coddle the youngsters a little more than the older people.

Posted by: swang30 | May 16, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

In terms of pulling the starter, I tend to agree with you. However, he isn't going through the bullpen, taking out guys who are actually throwing well. NOBODY is getting the job done, so he'll go to another guy to try and stop the bleeding.

Posted by: Cavalier83 | May 16, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Does it seem to anyone else that Manny tends to manage his bullpen like every game is a playoff game?

Pull your starter at the first/any sign of trouble ... plow through relievers willy-nilly with little regard for tomorrow ... this is how the playoffs are usually managed these days.

Posted by: mjhoya12 | May 16, 2009

You can thank teams like the Marlins and Devil Rays. Here is a team with many good young players. Its been almost 3 years. The owners were convinced to go out and get Texiera. That failed and one can see some wisdom in Texiera's decision ... still I think he made a mistake.

Then they went out and got an Adam Dunn to bring some offense. It worked. Better than anyone could imagine.

But now the defense and pitching, just recently the strong points / mainstays for this team have become the worst in MLB baseball.

Factor in tons of controversy and drama: the managing owner doesn't agree with Stan Kasten. Jim Bowden, favored by that owner, has to resign over the Dominican debacle. There is no GM. Just Kasten and Rizzo. Attendance is way down in a year when ownership balked at paying the rent on the new stadium the taxpayers built.

The team has literally become even more frustrating than last year, and that is generating controversy! A very long initial losing streak unexpectedly led to young talent progressing leaps and bounds quicker in the hitting / offense department. However, the strength of this team was supposed to be its young pitching. And those young pitchers are being used like cannon fodder, under huge pressure to perform. Because of attendance, because of owner expectations passed onto Kasten and Rizzo and down to Acta.

They are no longer "patient" with the young team. Everyone's job is at stake right now at this very minute! Not later after the season! For them that is far larger than any playoffs. To right this team, to find the right chemistry, combination of pitching to attempt to at least get back to .500. Which is about where this team was when this ownership group bought the team.

Posted by: periculum | May 16, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Who SYR throws tonight could point to what the Nationals are considering in the next 48 hours; If Martin pitches tonight (he's scheduled), look for either Bergmann to come up, or for a multi-player trade for a closer.

Should DCab "crap out" again tonight, look for DCab to hit the waiver-wire (DFA), and Stammen to get selected as a replacement.

Posted by: BinM | May 16, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Its past time to trade for some key veterans, like those Bowden traded away, to help stabilize this bullpen. A starter and a bullpen guy who are actually good and can handle pressure. Who are cocky enough to think they can help a team like the Nationals bring down some of the premier playoff teams down a peg or two. They need attitude, that is what appears to be lacking as opposed to talent.

Posted by: periculum | May 16, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Should DCab "crap out" again tonight, look for DCab to hit the waiver-wire (DFA), and Stammen to get selected as a replacement.

Posted by: BinM | May 16, 2009

I rather suspect they will go pitching in the 1st round selecting Strasberg a starter and a reliever at pick # 10.

That has to factor into any moves they make I would assume? These guys are going to cost the owners some real money. They will be expected to produce in the "bigs" sooner rather than later.

Posted by: periculum | May 16, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

periculum:

The upcoming draft has absoulutly nothing to do with the current situation; Whoever the Nationals select at #1 & #10 aren't likely to help the team until September, at the earliest. Please don't confuse current issues with future "possibiles".

Posted by: BinM | May 16, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

@Periculum
Pitching is always good. You never have too much pitching. That said:

Except for closers, "relievers" are usually failed starters. Nobody drafts middle-inning pitchers, just like nobody grows up wanting to be middle management and forced into early retirement. Closers occasionally emerge pre-draft (Cordero, IIRC, was a closer at San Jose; Zinicola was tagged as a closer early on) but it's a pretty dicey proposition, generally, trying to draft a closer, since they usually have such short careers. Guys like Lee Smith or Trevor Hoffman or Fingers or Eckersley get in the HOF as closers for a reason--they're rare talents.

And it's generally accepted as a bad strategy to draft for need at the ML level in baseball, because it's so hard to predict who'll actually succeed, esp. pitchers, that the draft is effectively much deeper in baseball than other sports, so they go with quantity and hope like heck some of them pan out.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | May 16, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Like Beimel, Wells, Villone? Ray King is still looking for work as of last week. Maybe the Mets will trade K-Rod here for Cabrera and Josh Bard? Don't think so.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | May 16, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

This is just factually inaccurate. That was LAST year. They paid early this year, in fact, IIRC.

Just sayin.
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Attendance is way down in a year when ownership balked at paying the rent on the new stadium the taxpayers built.
Posted by: periculum | May 16, 2009 5:02 PM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | May 16, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

whoops, correction: I think the Chief went to Fresno State, not San Jose.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | May 16, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

New post.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | May 16, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

If we need a guy monday, its MEstrada's turn in the Syracuse rotation. He'd make more sense to bring up than Stammen or Martin since he's already on the 40-man. I figured before we'd call someone up tuesday, which would make it O'Connor's turn in the Syracuse rotation... perhaps the Nats took that into consideration and are calling up one of their 40man guys.

Posted by: tboss | May 16, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

The worst thing a GM can do is trade for a relief pitcher. One should never, trade for a relief pitcher, period.

Worse than that is trading for a veteran relief pitcher because he is a veteran. Kip Wells is a veteran, he stinks. He stunk his last few years in Pittsburgh. Adding a few birthdays did nothing to change that. There is no need to go acquire a veteran reliever.

As another poster wrote, relievers are failed starters. That statement is almost true 100% of the time. This means all relievers are flawed pitchers. Which gets back to my original point, never trade for flawed pitcher.

Instead of going with flawed veteran pitchers to solve the bullpen, go to pitchers whose only flaw is their youth. Bring guys like Stammen, JD Martin, and maybe even Detwiler (although I would caution against this one) and pitch them out of the pen this season. All have shown some talent.

Limit them to one time through the lineup, so no team gets a good look at them. Let them pitch and learn at the major league level.

Baseball didn't always rely so heavily on "veterans". Danny Murtaugh, Earl Weaver and Jim Leyland all used young pitchers in the pen for a year or two, to get them ready to start.

I say dump the veterans in the pen. Go with the kids. Could they really be worse?

Posted by: jeffreyt211 | May 16, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Yunior Novoa is starting for Harrisburg tonight. Probably means Detwiler is going to get called up.

Detwiler is not my favorite Nationals prospect. He's shown brief periods of success wrapped on all sides by complete ineptitude.

He has stuff but perhaps the worst pitching motion this side of Mitch Williams. I hope his recall is just for one game.

Posted by: jeffreyt211 | May 16, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

>Detwiler is not my favorite Nationals prospect. He's shown brief periods of success wrapped on all sides by complete ineptitude.

He has stuff but perhaps the worst pitching motion this side of Mitch Williams

Mitch Williams is harsh. That means he would also have to be a hyperactive redneck that involuntarily threw too hard. But then again, the only way we're going to find out is to give him a start. It's not like he's 20 anymore.

Posted by: Brue | May 16, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

No, Detwiler is certainly not hyperactive.

I probably saw him pitch about 10 times at Potomac, it is painful. The zone where his front foot hits the ground causes him to throw so greatly across his body, he seems like he should have hip replacement surgery.

The Nationals have to make a decision on Detwiler by next season because I think he will be out of options.

If Randy Tomlin got Detwiler straightened out, then the Nationals are even deeper in pitching prospects than I thought. If not, Detwiler is simply having another brief hot streak.

Still I would rather see him, Stammen and and Martin coming out of the Nationals pen than Beimel, Wells and Tavarez.

After tonight, can someone officially call an end to the Daniel Cabrera experiment.

Posted by: jeffreyt211 | May 16, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

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