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Tonight's Lineup

I don't yet have the Pirates' lineup tonight, but I do have this gem: Tonight (Ohlendorf vs. Detwiler) marks the first time that two pitchers named Ross will start against one another. So let's get this straight. In the span of one week, we get the tallest pitching match-up (Randy Johnson versus Daniel Cabrera) and the Ross-est pitching match-up. You can't say this season isn't special.

Washington

Guzman - 6
Johnson - 3
Zimmerman - 5
Dunn - 9
Willingham - 7
Harris - 8
Hernandez - 4
Bard - 2
Detwiler - 1

By Chico Harlan  |  May 18, 2009; 3:23 PM ET
 
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Are either Kearns or Dukes available off the bench tonight? If not, being down two people will really hurt us. Flores was day-to-day for about a week before finally being placed on the DL. We can't have players who are hurt and not available taking up spots on the 25-man - just DL Dukes and/or Kearns already and call someone up who can actually come in and play. If we do indeed go to an 8-man bullpen, managing the roster will be even more important, as that takes away a bench spot. Injuries and/or extra innings could create some real problems if this continues...

Posted by: BGinVA | May 18, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

On that note, put me down in favor of the 8-man bullpen ... that either means a 4-man rotation (i.e. buh-bye, Cabrera) or a 4-man bench (i.e., buh-bye, Cintron) ... either way we all win.

Nats 2009: Hoping the stick in our eye isn't quite as sharp as we thought.

Posted by: diogenes_quixote | May 18, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Ross vs. Ross is OK, but it's not nearly as good as the Jesus battery.

Posted by: Cosmo06 | May 18, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Get-in-there Detwiler. You got the stuff. THROW STRIKES and let the rest take care of itself. Just like Dibble says, 'you can never throw enough strikes'. And always remember, you're a southpaw. Hitters don't see as many of those, so use some deception, it'll make you even more effective.

Eat some innings. 12-14 pitches per inning. You can do it, just don't think about anything but hitting the mitt. Forget about the hitters. Completely.

Posted by: Brue | May 18, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Didn't we lead the league in Ryans a couple seasons back?

Posted by: mojo6 | May 18, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Why was Dukes rushed back if he was obviously not healthy? Now they may have compounded the problem.

Posted by: dovelevine | May 18, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

we use to have the only 2 marlon's in baseball - Byrd and Anderson

I just hope he can throw strikes. If he can keep the walks down he will be fine.

Posted by: brothbart | May 18, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

no news on the roster move(s)?

Posted by: sammoMD | May 18, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Chico - thanks for the baseball related laugh. I needed that.

Posted by: Kev29 | May 18, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Manny with eight relievers would be like a cocaine addict with a live credit card and a $10,000 cash advance limit.

Posted by: jdschulz50 | May 18, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

twins blogger john marthaler asks whether minnesota has the worst bullpen in the majors. is he kidding?

http://www.twinkietown.com/2009/5/18/878290/do-the-twins-have-the-worst

Posted by: surly_w | May 18, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Manny with eight relievers would be like a cocaine addict with a live credit card and a $10,000 cash advance limit.

Posted by: jdschulz50


Best post ever? Best post ever.

Posted by: RickFelt | May 18, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

@jd

even with eight relievers, axta would still get caught short if a game goes into extra innings.

Posted by: surly_w | May 18, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Cintron vs. an 8 man bullpen, there really is no contest. I would rather pinch hit with Martis than Cintron anyway. On a game by game, inning by inning basis Harris, Belliard, Hernandez, and even Zimmerman can backup Guzman if he gets hurt in game. If he gets hurt bad, you have to bring up another player anyway - you can't start Cintron more than once per a millinium (sp? milenium, whatever). So send him down and bring up Bergnmann, Clippard, or Zincola.

And on another matter of discontent, (I'm feeling surly today) It would not be wholly uncalled for to demote Hernandez. He seems to have far too many mental mistakes. Yes, he is more talented defensively and has more range and speed than Belliard, but youth is a poor excuse for sloppy play. I'd rather win with youth, than lose with age, but we're not winning with youth. What would be so wrong about playing the months of June and July with Orr and Beliard at second. We're not giving up infield hits, we're giveing up walks.

Posted by: natbiscuits | May 18, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Didn't a Rachel just win the Preakness?

Posted by: JohninMpls | May 18, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Hanrahan a pretty good hitter too?

Posted by: PattyinSJ | May 18, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

>Isn't Hanrahan a pretty good hitter too

He could hit .250 if he played every day.

Posted by: Brue | May 18, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

After all the snarking and complaining and angst over this team and the lost weekend, let's face it. It's going to be pretty cool to watch Detwiler make his first major league start tonight. Let's enjoy it for as long as we can.

Posted by: baltova1 | May 18, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Martis can hit fairly well. I was kinda hoping to see them use him as a PH in the extra innings then let him face a few batters.

Posted by: ramgut | May 18, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

won't be Detwiler's first major league start. That happened 2 years ago agains the Braves in Atlanta. He struck out Andruw Jones, IIRC.

Posted by: NatsNut | May 18, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

oh. sorry, baltova. you're right. Detwiler's first *START*. my bad.

heh heh. I was trying to sound smart.

Posted by: NatsNut | May 18, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

NN

Detwiler pitched one inning of relief against the Braves. He didn't start.

Posted by: leetee1955 | May 18, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Your heart's in the right place, baltnova. My evening is planned around the occasion.

You have to have a memory shorter than a goaltender to get excited about a Nats game, though.

Posted by: JohninMpls | May 18, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

If we have this many Rosses tonight, the Nats should have run a Rachel / Phoebe / Joey promotion.

CiL - the sorry thing about pitching prospects in our system is that I do not think there is a single pitcher with K > IP > BB + H, at least at the Potomac level or above. Clint Everts I think is close, but he's 25 going on 26 in High A. Admittedly, K > IP > BB + H is a tough screen, but last year, Zimmermann would have qualified by that test.

To compare, none of Matusz, Tillman, Arrieta, and Erbe pass so far in 2009, although Erbe is quite close (Erbe - 19K, 20 IP, 11H + 8 BB). Derek Holland passed that when he was at Bakersfield (!) in 2008 (37 > 31> 20+ 5) but not for the whole year. Neftali Feliz - passed in 2008 at AA. Pawtucket this year? Buchholz, Daniel Bard, and Fernando Cabrera all pass. That's sick.

Maybe we signed the wrong Cabrera cast off by the Os?

Posted by: jca-CrystalCity | May 18, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I like the promotion idea, jca-CrystalCity. I thought the Nats should have done something after the "Natinals" jersey screwup. Give away mock jerseys at a game. Have Pat Sajak make an appearance (he'd appreciate the need for a vowel). Have ex-Senator Joe Grzenda throw out the first pitch (his name always looked misspelled).

Also, at what point did they fully milk the Zimmerman/Zimmermann thing and have a Zimmerman(n) Night? Bring in Bob Dylan to recreate his famous version of "Take Me Out To The Ballgame."

Posted by: baltova1 | May 18, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Given the play of late, a Ralph vs. Ralph match-up might be apropros...

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | May 18, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"It's going to be pretty cool to watch Detwiler make his first major league start tonight. Let's enjoy it for as long as we can."

That should be about one inning, based on my experience of him at Potomac.

Posted by: Section506 | May 18, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Section506: Lalalalalalala, cannot hear you, thinking happy thoughts, lalalalalalalala....

Posted by: baltova1 | May 18, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"baltova1, it sounds like you just gave us more information about what Gardenhire does in the dugout than anything we've ever heard about Manny doing. I think this is part of the problem--we know that Gardenhire tries, just based on what you relayed here. We don't know the same about Manny. What we do know about the Nats is what we can see--the crappy fundamentals and results, repeated over and over and over again, while Manny stands there in the dugout like a statue.

Posted by: CoverageisLacking"

This is far more likely due to the fact that the likes of Tom Verducci aren't training their eyes on the Nationals' dugout and transcribing Manny's every move and every word than it is to Manny standing there like a statue all the time as you guys keep saying. Just because he doesn't do things when you're looking or when you want to see him do them doesn't mean he's not doing anything. Baltova1 is on the mark with his comments.

Posted by: nunof1 | May 18, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Remember the good old days with Frank falling asleep in the dugout?

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | May 18, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Please, let's not read too much into Detwiler's start tonight. He's starting not because he deserves it, but because he's already on the 40-man and because his normal spot in the rotation coincided with tonight's game. That's all.

If he pitches well, we shouldn't claim him as a savior and wish him to stay up all year. If he gets rocked, we shouldn't proclaim him to be a bust and that he should never, ever see a major-league pitching mound ever again.

Regardless of how he does tonight, he should be pitching in AA for most of this season. Good or bad, he deserves more time in the minors before we annoint/ostracize him.

Still, I'm going to root like heck for him tonight!

Posted by: erocks33 | May 18, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Manny should look thru one of the holes in his hat and all the answers will become clear?

Posted by: OldDude | May 18, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Remember Ross, breathe through your eyelids, throw strikes, and oh yeah, the rose goes in the front.

Posted by: BinM | May 18, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

erocks - I completely agree with everything you said.

And I'm skipping the gym tonight just so I can watch the game. We will get a curly W tonight.

Posted by: FloresFan | May 18, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

erocks33, I'm not reading too much into the start tonight, but let's face it, if/when this team gets good, Detwiler is more likely to be in the rotation than Olsen or Cabrera. I'm just hoping to see another glimmer of hope for the future. Meanwhile, I totally agree with you. No matter what, he should be back in the minors after tonight.

Posted by: baltova1 | May 18, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

There was a 'historic' moment in a Nats-Braves game, too -- The first time one Jordan pitched with another Jordan at-bat. The only way this season is special is in historically bad.

I'm DVRing the game. The Boss, tonight.

Posted by: fischy | May 18, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

"If we have this many Rosses tonight, the Nats should have run a Rachel / Phoebe / Joey promotion."
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Smelly Nats, smell-y Nats
What are they feeding you?
Smelly, smelly, smelly, really bad, smelly, smelly
It's not your fault

Posted by: Ted_Striker | May 18, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

As to the Ryans question, a couple of years back Kearns blew a chance at the first three RBI double in history. That's Ryans batted in.
Langerhans
Church
Zimmerman

were on the bases.

Posted by: NFBLooser | May 18, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

FWIW, note this post from Baseball America today:

"Rizzo Says Nats Won’t Go Cheap

Posted May. 18, 2009 1:58 pm by Jim Callis

The Nationals find themselves in a unique position. They’re the first club ever to have two of the first 10 picks in the same draft, the result of finishing with the worst record in baseball in 2008 (giving them the No. 1 overall choice) and also failing to sign No. 9 overall selection Aaron Crow (landing them the No. 10 pick as compensation).

When we posted our initial first-round projections last week, we projected that Washington would spend what it takes to sign überprospect Stephen Strasburg with the top choice and then look to save money at No. 10. Our forecast was that the Nationals would take Kennesaw State righthander Chad Jenkins.

Afterward, acting Washington general manager Mike Rizzo contacted Baseball America to say that talent would be the only consideration for that latter pick, which won’t be protected by compensation a second time.

'We do not have to take a signability pick,' Rizzo said. 'We’re going to take the best guy. We’re going to have 10 names up there on the board, and we’ll take one we like.' Strasburg reportedly is seeking a $50 million major league contract and is expected to at least shatter Mark Prior’s record for guarantee money given to a draftee ($10.5 million from the Cubs in 2001). Last year’s No. 10 choice, Jason Castro, received a $2.07 million bonus from the Astros.

Rizzo did acknowledge that if the player the Nationals liked at No. 10 wasn’t considered a consensus top-10 talent, they could use that leverage to cut a deal below MLB’s bonus recommendation. But he reiterated that ability and not signability would drive the decision as to whom to select.

'We do see this draft as one where the guy we take with the No. 10 pick might be No. 25 on someone else’s board,' Rizzo said. 'But if we take, say, Chad Jenkins or [California outfielder] Brett Jackson or whoever, it’s because we think he’s the 10th-best guy in the draft.'"

Posted by: baltova1 | May 18, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

clone Martis

Posted by: cokedispatch | May 18, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

As to the Ryans question, a couple of years back Kearns blew a chance at the first three RBI double in history. That's Ryans batted in.
Langerhans
Church
Zimmerman

were on the bases.

Posted by: NFBLooser | May 18, 2009 5:18 PM | ------------------------------------------

Let me guess. Kearns struck out? Or a weak grounder?

Posted by: fischy | May 18, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

If he pitches well can we read too much into it?

Posted by: natbiscuits | May 18, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

For the upcoming series, Wells, Beimel, Taverez & Colome have all compiled decent numbers out of the 'pen against PIT - Villone, not so much (although his #'s may date back to the Dave Parker years, he's been around so long).

Posted by: BinM | May 18, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Bisquit:

Regardless of how Detwiler throws tonight, the habitants of NJ will undoubtably read too much into it. You will, I will; a1a, Jim, SloPitch, coked, CIL, leetee, even Brue and the rest of the regulars will most likely try to "read the tea-leaves" after this one is over.
That what makes us fans, and keeps us coming back to this board to make our snarky, silly, or occaisionally astute comments.

Posted by: BinM | May 18, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

twins blogger john marthaler asks whether minnesota has the worst bullpen in the majors. is he kidding?

http://www.twinkietown.com/2009/5/18/878290/do-the-twins-have-the-worst

Posted by: surly_w | May 18, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse
-----------------
According to www.fangraphs.com, the Nats bullpen is not the worst by every measure...

Angels have a worse ERA (6.35 to 6.24 for Was)

Also the Nats have only the 6th worst Fielding Independent Pitching (FIP)- this stat essentially works like ERA factors in the defense behind the pitcher, quality of opponent and ballpark effects to show just the accountability of the pitching. The Nats have a 5.16 FIP; The Indians (5.32), Astros (5.41), Twins (5.51), Rangers(5.53) and Yankees (5.80). http://www.fangraphs.com/teams.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&type=1&season=2009&month=0

My point is simply that, if you pick and choose your stats correctly, you could make a case for there being worse bullpens in MLB. However, I think if you look how the Nats are in the bottom 6 in just about every category, it's hard to say anybody else has an all around worse bullpen than our beloved Natinals.

Posted by: cheeseburger53 | May 18, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

twins blogger john marthaler asks whether minnesota has the worst bullpen in the majors. is he kidding?

http://www.twinkietown.com/2009/5/18/878290/do-the-twins-have-the-worst

Posted by: surly_w | May 18, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse
-----------------

Sorry to double post, but even the author of the post mentioned above admits the Nats have a worse bullpen than the Twins:

"That said, things are worse by far in Washington, and probably in Houston as well. And fans in Cleveland and New York have reasons to be miffed as well.

Of course, a look at the standings probably would be enough to anger those fans: Cleveland and Washington are in last place. Houston is barely ahead of the Pirates. And the Yankees are 4.5 games back... and would be much worse off, if it weren't for three games against Minnesota's relievers.

And so, our conclusion: the Twins do not have the worst bullpen in the major leagues. But it's close."

(I'm just happy this blogger doesn't particularly dwell on how awful the Nationals are (we're close enough to the ledge without other teams' bloggers pushing us over!)

Posted by: cheeseburger53 | May 18, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Will be interesting to see what they do if Detwiler pitches well enough. Nothing is guaranteed but let's say he at least sticks around while Olsen is on the DL. That's 3 or 4 starts at most. If he has a 4.00 ERA and goes at least 6 in those starts then obviously he's better than Olsen and DCab. If the FO is saying they aren't too proud to eat $$ then dump DCab when Olsen comes off the DL.

If Olsen's been having problems as long as Bozzie says then maybe he's done for or maybe he just needs to get over that and he can be a far more effective pitcher than we've seen. Maybe he can be long man bullpen material.

Of course our history with injured pitchers.... well...

Posted by: SaveOurTeam | May 18, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

And not to beat a dead horse (probably a picked clean horse by now) but Manny just needs to let the starters go longer at least some of the time. Handing it over to the bullpen doesn't help and giving the BP more pitching time to work through things isn't working.

Let 'em go 110+ pitches. Lannan at least is durable. Ok so maybe not every start. I think everyone is scared to death of another Patterson episode.


Posted by: SaveOurTeam | May 18, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

GO NATS! Let's start a 10 game win streak.

Posted by: rachel216 | May 18, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Read them? Heck, I might try to smoke 'em after the game depending on how things go. (Not really.)

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Bisquit:

Regardless of how Detwiler throws tonight, the habitants of NJ will undoubtably read too much into it. You will, I will; a1a, Jim, SloPitch, coked, CIL, leetee, even Brue and the rest of the regulars will most likely try to "read the tea-leaves" after this one is over.
That what makes us fans, and keeps us coming back to this board to make our snarky, silly, or occaisionally astute comments.

Posted by: BinM | May 18, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | May 18, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Okay, Rachel, I'm with you. Go, Nats! Help the kid out in his first start.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | May 18, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

natsfan1a1: I do realize a 10 game win streak is a little far fetched. Okay, really far fetched. But it's still early and we can still turn this thing around. Our offense is good enough, if the pitching was decent we would be at least 500. We just need to string together a little win streak. =)

Posted by: rachel216 | May 18, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

"If he pitches well, we shouldn't claim him as a savior and wish him to stay up all year. If he gets rocked, we shouldn't proclaim him to be a bust and that he should never, ever see a major-league pitching mound ever again. "

ABSOLUTELY EROCKS!!!!

By the way ESPN reported that Carlos Delgado is out 2 months and 2B Rickie Weeks (Mil) will be out the entire year.

Trade Johnson... Trade Belliard....
Trade the old bring in more prospects... this season is lost and it's all about the future.

Posted by: PNatsFan | May 18, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

I sincerely admire your optimism, Rachel, and I'll root for a win.

Also, new post.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | May 18, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Pittsburg has figured him out PDQ. He looks pretty good. Take some bad fielding away and this game is still scoreless. Same story different day. Detwiler hasn't lost his cool though.

Posted by: natsguy | May 18, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Why would you take Detwiler out when he's cruising so that Alex FLIPPING Cintron can bat? What a joke...

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | May 18, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Gosh... I defend Acta as much as possible, but that is just a horrible decision. Cintron should be cut immediately... shocker he flew out, I could've told you that would happen. (By the way, Guzman got a walk!!!! Amazing.) We could be in this exact same position with Detwiler whose throwing great right now coming in for at least one more inning. I know its nice to have him go out on a high note, but 5-7 for Pittsburgh is 0-6 against him tonight. Heck who knows, Detwiler might have managed to get on base. I'll tell you this much, he has just as good a shot as that zilch Cintron does.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | May 18, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

NICK JOHNSON SENDS IT OUT OF HERE!!

Detwiler might get the win after all...

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | May 18, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Acta is just the worst manager in the game. He is clueless! Alex Cintron again....Ross D is having the best start this team has had in weeks and the dumb A$$ takes him out for Alex C.....classic Acta....come on all you Acta suck ups, tell me again why he has a job.

Posted by: JayBeee | May 18, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Yup this is why Manny Acta MUST be fired tonight.

Posted by: JayBeee | May 18, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Let's look on the bright side, everyone. We've got three innings yet to play. Still plenty of time to grab the lead and blow it again (at least once)!

Posted by: SorenKierkegaard | May 18, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

God Manny do something....Mock is going to lose this game.

Posted by: JayBeee | May 18, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Nice job Acta.....Alex Cintron.......Ross D.......only Acta could make that decision....only the Nats could keep Acta employed.

Posted by: JayBeee | May 18, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

OK, Manny-haters, Cintron can't hit, bad decision. But what was Detwiler's pitch count. He's just a kid.

Posted by: JLNash819 | May 18, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Ted_Striker - I just about died when I saw your post. Or maybe it was when I saw the top of the 6th.

Posted by: jca-CrystalCity | May 18, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

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