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Draft Pick Signings, And The Nats' Lineup

[UPDATE, 5:05 p.m.] - I just spoke to Kobernus, who is in DC today, and will soon be flying out to report to the Class A Vermont Lake Monsters. "I'll be with them tonight," Kobernus said. "I'm not sure if I'm gonna play tomorrow, but it could be. If not then, sometime really soon."

Kobernus's bonus is $705,000, which is very much in line with MLB-recommended slotting guidelines. Last year, the recommended bonus for the No. 50 pick was somewhere between $787,000 (the amount accepted by the 49th pick, Johnny Giavotella, a college second baseman selected by Kansas City) and $772,000 (the amount accepted by 51st pick, Anthony Gose, a high school outfielder drafted by Philly). But this year, remember, MLB is calling for a 10-percent cut in bonuses, in conjunction with the economic decline.

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Our Florida-based staff writer, Amy Shipley, has Nats duties for the upcoming three days, but I'll still try for the occasional NJ post from the L St. bureau. (That would be the Post office building.)

First of all, the Nats this afternoon have come to terms with seven 2009 draft picks, including second-round pick (50th overall) Jeff Kobernus, a second baseman from the University of California. The Nats also signed LHP Chad Jenkins (17th round, Cecil Community College), LHP Daniel Rosenbaum (22nd round, Xavier University), SS Kyle Breault (23rd round, Northville [Mich.] High), RHP Brandon King (27th round, Martinsburg [W. Va.] High), RHP Matt Swynenberg (28th round, Black Hawk [Ill.] College) and RHP Shane McCatty (34th round, Oakland [Mich.] University).

Counting Kobernus, Washington has now inked five of its 11 picks from the first 10 rounds, including three of the top four picks. (The unsigned player in that group: Stephen Strasburg.) I'll try to dig up information on Kobernus's deal, signing bonus, etc. Look for an update on this soon.

With full credit to Baseball American -- (subscribe to Baseball America! subscribe to Baseball America! subscribe to Baseball America!) -- here is a brief scouting report:

Kobernus is one of the most versatile players in the nation. His athletic and still projectable 6-foot-2, 195-pound frame fits almost anywhere on the diamond, and indeed he has played several positions during his career at Cal. He played second base this season, overcoming a sluggish start to bat .351/.385/.563 with eight home runs in a disappointing season for the Golden Bears. With above average speed, Kobernus stole 17 bases this spring, giving him 41 for his career. Defensively, Kobernus displays fine range, with excellent hands and playmaking ability. He will make careless errors, as with many young infielders, but his arm and glove grade out to solid-average. Primarily a line drive hitter, Kobernus shows an advanced approach, utilizing the entire field and intelligently looking to go with the pitch when needed. He will flash occasional power, but his forte is gap-to-gap line drives. While Kobernus does not have overwhelming tools in any one area, he is an athletic and well-rounded player who has the potential to fill any number of roles as a professional. Look for the organization that drafts him to start him out as a second baseman, with a move to third possible if he fills out his frame more.

Also, Shipley sends word on the Nats' lineup for tonight's game against the Marlins.

Harris - 8
Guzman - 6
Johnson - 3
Zimmerman - 5
Dunn - 7
Willingham - 9
Hernandez - 4
Nieves - 2
Olsen - 1

By Chico Harlan  |  June 29, 2009; 4:01 PM ET
 
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There's a word for that line up: respectable? Vengeance can be thine, go forth and conquer, Scott and Josh (not you, boni).

Posted by: jca-CrystalCity | June 29, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"Counting Kobernus, Washington has now inked five of its 11 top 10 picks."

We had 11 top 10 picks? Wow, that is a good plan!

Posted by: mvm2 | June 29, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

There goes Manny again!! Josh Bard has unquestionably won the starting job over Wil Nieves with his red-hot hitting this month and our clueless manager has him on the bench against a tough Nats-killer righty Ricky Nolasco. I could see playing Nieves yesterday (day game after a night game), but to have Bard on the bench tonight makes ZERO sense. He can start Wil tomorrow night against the lefty Sean West and then come back with Bard vs. RH Josh Johnson on Wed. afternoon. To me, Bard has won the job and should start 2 of every 3 games. Finally, as much as we struggle against the Marlins, Manny should field his most potent lineup.

However, after starting Kearns and batting him 5th (!!!) last week, why am I not surprised about this lineup decision!!!

Posted by: OldSkoolDiehard | June 29, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

"Counting Kobernus, Washington has now inked five of its 11 top 10 picks."

We had 11 top 10 picks? Wow, that is a good plan!

Posted by: mvm2 | June 29, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse


As they had 2 picks in the first round, the nats did indeed have 11 picks in the top 10 rounds.

I'm somehow going to get scolded for not recognizing some sort of "snark" but oh well.

Posted by: amorris525 | June 29, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

The only justification for having Nieves instead of Bard tonight - is Olsen. Manny probably wants the better defensive catcher and better game caller in Nieves for Olsen's first start off the DL.

Posted by: comish4lif | June 29, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I do believe we had 11 picks in the top 10 rounds. Strasburg and Storen were in the first round, and one each for the next nine.
Chill out OldSkool, Manny could have started Kearns tonight!

Sec 204 Row H Seat 7

Posted by: adhardwick | June 29, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I doubt the Pirates would even entertain the idea of moving McCutcheon. They just traded McLouth in order to bring him up and - given how well that deal was received - trading McCutcheon might lead to a revolt in the Steel City that would harken us back to the days of the Homestead strike.
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If they are discussing a trade involving Nats pitchers they are undoubtedly talking McCutheon and not Morgan who looks like a less flexible plug-in replacement for Harris.

Posted by: lowcountry | June 29, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Water covers 75 percent of the earth's surface. Willie Harris covers the rest. And he'll need to tonight surrounded by statues, Dunn and Willingham.

Where is Langershlang when you need him?

Posted by: jdschulz50 | June 29, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

What? No Kearns what must Manny be thinking?

Posted by: TippyCanoe | June 29, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Cleon Jones was once asked, "What is the secret to playing a great left field? To which he responded, "Tommy Agee."

Posted by: flynnie2 | June 29, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Just got to thinking (very dangerous in my line of work) but the NL East is craptastic this year, imagine if this Team was say something like 32-41, the Nats would be actually be in it. Oh, it's just a dream, now back to our regular scheduled program.

Posted by: TippyCanoe | June 29, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I like this lineup a lot, good speed at 1-2, good avg. 3-4, good pop at #5 and an actual RBI threat at #6, AH can keep a rally going with a single or occassional double and Nieves well, I guess Bard needs a day off. Ideally, I would like to see Bard play everyday while he is hot and maybe move him to 7th so AH can bat eight and pose a threat to a pitcher while they are facing our pitcher at #9. Hiopefully, Olsen will be more Lannen and less DCab tonight in his 1st start back!

Posted by: markfd | June 29, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

"Look for the organization that drafts him to start him out as a second baseman, with a move to third possible if he fills out his frame more" Somehow I don't see that happening...

Posted by: twinbrook | June 29, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

OldSkool

that's just manny being manager.

Posted by: surly_w | June 29, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

so with some of the nats' good defenders starting to hit (AHernandez and WHarris), I like this lineup too. However, if you had JFlores, would you consider moving the pitcher to #8 and AHerhandez to 9? If Flores (or #7) gets on, the pitcher can sacrifice him into scoring position, and AHernandez could possibly score him. Similarly, Flores has the power to move guys around, and Hernandez' OBP is halfway decent in front of WHarris when the lineup flips over.

Thoughts?

Posted by: Section406 | June 29, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

If Scott Olsen comes back and can't establish his fastball at better than the 86-87 MPH clip he was at earlier this season, the trade with the Marlins is going to be a near wash for the Nationals.

Olsen's other pitches and his command of location is not good enough for him to survive as a junk ball pitcher a la Jamie Moyer or the now 33 year old Livan Hernandez.

Posted by: leopard09 | June 29, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

406,

I think that would make it too easy to pitch around Flores at the end of the order. With the pitcher up next he's get nothing to hit.

Posted by: Naugatuck-Nats | June 29, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Heres hoping Willingham becomes the Nats continual starting RF.

Posted by: JT2009 | June 29, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

They say Olsen was touching 92-93 in his rehab starts, but we'll find out tonight.

Posted by: sec307 | June 29, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Catchers can't play everyday. You gotta give them a rest unless you want them to get hurt.

Posted by: swang30 | June 29, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Tippy
The '78 Yankees came back from 14 games down at the All-Star break to take the AL East pennant. Right now, the Nats are 17 games behind the Phillies, with 13 games to go before the break.

Might as well keep dreaming, 'cause reality bites.

Posted by: TomServo | June 29, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

nieves started yesterday, two days in a row is not a day off, doesn't make a whole lot of sense, I agree it's probably because olsen's coming back tonight but still it doesn't seem right to have bard sitting two in a row with the way he's been swinging

Posted by: bford1kb | June 29, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Good news, bad news: Good news first - Manny thinks Olsen can go for 100-or-so pitches tonight. Bad news - At pre-injury levels, that gets him 5-1/3IP, 8H, 4ER, 3K & 3BB. Yuck.

Posted by: BinM | June 29, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Why not have Dunn hit 4th and Zimm go down to 5th against a guy that is very tough on RH hitters?

Pitcher batting 8th, as someone asked for discussion on the concept above, is just a stupid play. Tony LaRusa's ego is bigger than his brain.

Posted by: dfh21 | June 29, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Nieves getting the start behind the plate tonight is a defense-driven move, imo. He's got the better arm, so he has a statistically better chance with FLA's track-team at the top of the lineup.

Posted by: BinM | June 29, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

For those without television access, Carpenter just projected a 7:45 p.m. start time (rain delay).

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | June 29, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

"Water covers 75 percent of the earth's surface. Willie Harris covers the rest."
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I like Willie Harris a lot, but he's no Garry Maddox.

Posted by: VPaterno | June 29, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

This rain delay got me thinking about how intergenerational baseball is and how fans remember their favorite teams of long ago. This year is the 40th anniversary of the expansion Senators 86-76 season under Ted Williams. Wouldn't it be great if someone in the Nats marketing office had realized that and we could have some type of acknowledgment of that team at Nats Park? Most of the guys who played on that team are in their late 60s and early 70s and it would be just wonderful for them to get cheered one more time in Washington. Or next year invite some of the 1960 Senators back for a day and autograph session. The game may have been new to lots of people upon its 2005 return but those are the teams many Washingtonians of a certain age grew up with and the linkage to the current team would be more tangible.

Posted by: leetee1955 | June 29, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey, if Chuck Norris and Cool Papa Bell references were fair game, I think Maddox needs to suck it up.

And thanx for the weather dope, 1a; that's just why I came here!

Posted by: Scooter_ | June 29, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

can we get an update on the weather?

Posted by: natsfan13 | June 29, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

I thought they were showing ESPN News. That's not what I'm seeing on FIOS 1. Don't tell me they are going to screw this up again!!!

Posted by: twinbrook | June 29, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

whew! there're back to the game. Wow!! There is NO ONE THERE!!! I thought Nats Park looked empty!

Posted by: twinbrook | June 29, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

So is Bonifacio going rip us up again?

Posted by: twinbrook | June 29, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

> This year is the 40th anniversary of the expansion Senators 86-76 season under Ted Williams.

Get that book that just came out a couple months ago by Stephen Walker on the '69 season. It's got a picture of Hondo homering on opening day. It was my first game in person, and I remember that swing. It's called A Whole New Ballgame. Didn't they have bumper stickers that said that? I used to deliver papers back then but I can't remember.

Posted by: Brue | June 29, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Twinbrook: Don't worry. FIOS 1 shows a bunch of cr@p all the time, not ESPN. The game will come on when the rain stops.

Posted by: NickfromGermantown | June 29, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Who needs Strasburg?

He might turn out to be another Ben McDonald - good guy - but he never learned how to pitch in the MLB.

Posted by: jbartelloni | June 29, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

leetee - Brilliant! Honoring the surviving players from the '69 Senators team would be a fitting way to wrap up the home games after the all-star break. Even if they only invited each of them to throw out the 1st pitch, that would be great.

Posted by: BinM | June 29, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

BinM

Yeah, but my idea would cost the Lerners money.

Posted by: leetee1955 | June 29, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Who was complaining about Manny not putting Bard in the lineup? Nieves just got an RBI! Manny is a genius!! He knows the Marlins can't field those infield bouncers!

Posted by: FloresFan | June 29, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

In all seriousness...its good to see Olsen hitting 90-92 mph on his fastball.

Posted by: FloresFan | June 29, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Good start!

And hey, we don't have much, but our back-up catcher is kind of fast down the line.

Like I said, we don't have much.

Posted by: Kev29 | June 29, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

"There goes Manny again!! Josh Bard has unquestionably won the starting job over Wil Nieves with his red-hot hitting this month and our clueless manager"

Nieves may work better with Olsen. Remember, the guy is just back from 2 or 3 rehab starts.

Posted by: periculum | June 29, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Oh and on the signings... Go get em Danny Rosenbaum! Hope to see him up at Hagerstown.

From a fellow Xavier Man

Posted by: Kev29 | June 29, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

LOL @ Kev29

Posted by: FloresFan | June 29, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

is anyone else having trouble getting MASN2 on HDTV?

I can get it on my non-hd television, but not my HD one.

any advice?

Posted by: ncg1983 | June 29, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Who?!?

Will Nieves

Posted by: Kev29 | June 29, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Just askin': If Zimm had caught that foul ball and the runner had tagged and scored, would that have been ruled a sac fly? And a RBI?

Posted by: NickfromGermantown | June 29, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Olsen started tough - now he's hanging breaking balls like they're damp laundry. Ugh

Posted by: Kev29 | June 29, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

to Nick from G-town: Yes, it would have been a sac fly and RBI just as if it was a fair ball flyout.

And this looks like the same old Bobo. Fastball is no more than 91 and he's basically a run-an-inning guy.

Bring back Martis.

Posted by: jdschulz50 | June 29, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

There is no such thing as HD on MASN2.

Posted by: nunof1 | June 29, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, JDS!

Posted by: NickfromGermantown | June 29, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

I think ncg is saying he can't get the game at all - even the usual slop picture - on MASN2 on his HD TV.

MASN2 is okay here in Alexandria on my HD TV.

Posted by: gilbertbp | June 29, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Uhh, Willie, that was not good. Have you been watching Lastings Milledge tapes? Ball almost conked him on the head.

Olsen ain't fooling anyone now. They are hitting him HARD. But then the Marlins lick their chops when we get to town.

Posted by: LeeM9308 | June 29, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

what i'm saying is that i can get MASN2 on my regular tv.

however, on my HD television, when i turn to channel 77 (MASN2 in arlington), there is just a blank screen.

Posted by: ncg1983 | June 29, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

is it just me, or does the dunnkey look to walk first rather than driving the ball? just askin'.

Posted by: surly_w | June 29, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

ngc - are you on Comcast? Are you getting a message that says anything, like "channel not currently available, please wait"?

Posted by: Kev29 | June 29, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

By shear default, i think we have an outfield. Keep Dunn in LF to limit his errors, Willie should never leave the CF postion and now plan Willingham in RF. Two hits and a nice play in the field. Manny - Josh should play over Dukes and Kearns. Keep those two on the bench for pinch hitting (maybe).

Posted by: JT2009 | June 29, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Re remembering the '69 Senators, they are having Frank Howard bobblehead night on Aug 22nd.

Posted by: nunof1 | June 29, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

no, just a blank screen. its very weird.

Posted by: ncg1983 | June 29, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

nonof

Thanx for the knowledge. When fans think of the second-edition Senators there is no doubt Hondo was THE MAN. But there are other players who should be invited back to take a bow.

Posted by: leetee1955 | June 29, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

for the love of gawd, could someone please explain the "Bobo" nickname?

Posted by: NatsNut | June 29, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I second that, NN, veeerrry curious about the origin of the "Bobo."

Posted by: HotNats | June 29, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

To NatsNut:

Bobo Olson (with an o) was a middleweight champ mid-1950s. Lost to Sugar Ray Robinson, I think, three times. I am dating myself, but he was a fairly well-known boxer back in the day.

Posted by: jdschulz50 | June 29, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

As an aside, I think I will forever wish we had Chai for those "inside info" bumps instead of HBD...

Posted by: HotNats | June 29, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Olsen's got 5 SOs and 0 BBs in 78 pitches through 6, hitting 90-92 on the fastballs. He's through a few too many sliders, but all in all, a pretty good outing so far.

Posted by: swang30 | June 29, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

the expansion nats had an infielder named bobo osborne in 1963. it was his last season in the majors and he hit 12 HRs. the original nats had a pitcher named bobo newsom who pitched for the team five different times.

Posted by: surly_w | June 29, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

hm. okay.

now, hotnats, what's HBD? (sorry. I guess I've been skimming comments too much).

Posted by: NatsNut | June 29, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

come on nats, get back on top!

sorry to hear you guys are having teevee trouble *again* ... i can see fine on 1500 AM.

also: there's just something incongruous about the MARLINS playing in LandSHARK stadium, but I just can't quite put my finger on it.

Olsen has worried me a bit here and there, but overall, been good thanks to some help in the field from the first two outfielders ... could use some help at the plate from the third.

Yay for an entertaining game, so far. (note that I'm posting this before either starter comes out of the game....)

Posted by: ihatewalks | June 29, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

HBD is an acronym for the "Hot But Dumb" nickname for Debbi Taylor, coined a while back by (I believe, apologies if I'm mistaken) RicketyCricket.

My counter is the O's in-game go-to, Amber Theoharis, who I call Chai (Completely Hot AND Intelligent)...

Posted by: HotNats | June 29, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Bottom of the 7th and Olsen is still hitting 91....

Posted by: FloresFan | June 29, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

And I'm really encouraged by Olsen's performance tonight, yep he had some moments where it was "ummm, not so much," but rather than simply folding in the past, he's challenging the hitters, and keeping the Nats in this game. Just need some offense to answer that, right now!!

Posted by: HotNats | June 29, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh, silly me, I had been calling her MABD (Marginally Attractive But Dumb) ;-)

Round of applause for Scott Olsen. Way to stick with it.

Posted by: Kev29 | June 29, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Congrats and welcome back Scott Olsen...heck of a job tonight!

Posted by: Naugatuck-Nats | June 29, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Nolasco=Nats Killer

Posted by: FloresFan | June 29, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Dagnabbit, I keep forgetting to close the windows whenever Willie's at the plate. The wind from his swing just knocked my TV off the stand...

Posted by: HotNats | June 29, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

bottom 8...tie game...into the bullpen. time for a drink...

Posted by: Naugatuck-Nats | June 29, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Scariest six words in baseball:
"There's action in the Nats bullpen."

Posted by: jdschulz50 | June 29, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

...maybe if Villone chews a little harder he could hit the plate...

Posted by: Naugatuck-Nats | June 29, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

and the Marlins are off and running!

Posted by: leetee1955 | June 29, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

...and Bonificio strikes again. Will somebody club that little man in the knee already...ugh!

Posted by: Naugatuck-Nats | June 29, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Just die, Bonifacio, die.

Posted by: jdschulz50 | June 29, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

when did bonifacio come back from the dead?

Posted by: surly_w | June 29, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Naugatuck, the bourbon and Maalox are on me. Make it a double.

Posted by: jdschulz50 | June 29, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Emilio Bonifacio - Nationals Killer.

On the plus side - heck of a job by Scott Olsen tonight.

Posted by: RicketyCricket | June 29, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

I guess it is better for the bullpen to lose it in the 8th than in walk-off fashion in the 9th.

At this point I think I would trade being able to beat the Marlins for the all-time loss record. I really hate the Fish...

Posted by: NeedANatsFix | June 29, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know where to find Boswell's article from last week about the Lerners being content to field a mediocre team because of the guaranteed support from opposing fans? I looked in the archives and wasn't able to find it.

Posted by: egoodman8 | June 29, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Every time I see a close up of Tavarez, I swear he reminds me of some of the pitchers I used to see on tv in the late 50s and early 80s. He's got that wizened look on his face, the hesitation move. the angle of the cap, the motion to the plate. Just love it.

Posted by: leetee1955 | June 29, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

@leetee -
I might like Tavarez more if he got someone out.

Posted by: nervousnatsfan | June 29, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Isnt there some type of bullpen coach that would be able to tell Manny if Tavarez is ready ? send him to throw nothing but balls. WEAK !!!!!!!

Posted by: JT2009 | June 29, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

sad, just sad.

Posted by: Section222 | June 29, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Yuck - Willie with a special K in the lead off role and our bullpen doing its thang.

Also encouraged by Olsen's effort, and appears stamina is ok after the layoff.

Posted by: mo_dc | June 29, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

no fair. the marlins were only teasing us pretending that the nats could hang with them for seven innings. that shot of manny on the bench looking dazed and confused was priceless. goodnight, gracie.

Posted by: surly_w | June 29, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Alright Nick! Come on Zim - crush one.

Posted by: bigmook | June 29, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

This just too difficult to take anymore.

Posted by: bigmook | June 29, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Time to bring the guys up from Syracuse and get rid of the recycled veteran relief staff. It ain't working ... it ain't fittin' it ain't fittin' it just ain't fittin'.

Posted by: periculum | June 29, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Once again... same sorry team... same sorry story...

Is there really any other outcome???

Solid pitching performance by Olsen... The pigpen enters the game... Defeat is snatched yet again from the jaws of victory...

52 down... 48 to go...

www.natslose100.webs.com

Posted by: randy_boyd | June 29, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

classic back-to-back posts:

Just die, Bonifacio, die.
Posted by: jdschulz50 | June 29, 2009 9:52 PM

when did bonifacio come back from the dead?
Posted by: surly_w | June 29, 2009 9:52 PM |

Posted by: NatsNut | June 29, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

The inability to beat the Markins and the horrid record against the NL East (now 6-28) shows why Manny Acta should not be rehired for 2010. Against teams in your own division -- especially Florida, whose resoucres are even less than Washington's -- the Nationals play meekly. If thie Nats don't pursue Bobby Valentine -- who has a feel for this division, and is certainly more aggressive -- to take over next year, I don't care how many #1 overall draft picks they sign to the roster; this franchise is cooked. CHANGE THE CULTURE!

Posted by: VPaterno | June 29, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Going back to the start of 2008, the Nats are 3-21 against the Marlins. That's 3-14 last year and 0-7 this year. Yikes.

Am I the only one who shudders when Tavarez comes in? Three straight walks (I know, the first was intentional) just doesn't cut it.

Posted by: SilverSpring8 | June 29, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know the entrance song Nick Johnson has play when he comes to the plate?

I am pretty sure it is a Beastie Boys song, but just not sure the title.

Anyone know it?

Posted by: dominic10464 | June 29, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

VPaterno and SS8, you said it. It's amazing how the Marlins have our number. Doesn't matter which ballpark (and somehow, it always seems to be raining to some degree).

I agree that Manny's problems with the division are a big problem -- we should be matching up against these teams well. Even the Braves clobber us.

However, saying Bobby V is the answer is a huge question mark! He's been across the Pacific eating sushi and drinking Kirin (or hopefully, my preference, Sapporo) for so many years -- maybe he should coach the marlins...

Posted by: mo_dc | June 29, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Olsen was better than I anticipated he would be tonight, but the bullpen reverted back to its marlinesque ways. Snakebitten by those landshark dwellers again. Perhaps Zimm will break the jinx 2morrow. The hammer hit it hard, but to no avail.

Posted by: cokedispatch | June 29, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Wow this team finds away to lose evernight. Why is Taverez still here number one he pretty much said he didnt want to be here when he first signed lol then he comes here and just BLOWS. There is no reason for this he is not young hes somthing like 35 bring up Bergmann or J.D. Martin and throw one of them in the bullpen. The thing is he comes into a new team because no one else wants him then he cant throw any strikes it dosnt make a bit sense from an organizational stand point but i gess thats why we cant seem to get any win's with this stupid front office. Man it feals good to vent I watch them evernight and come on this site and just read some updates and never comment but enough is enough if were gonna lose at least do it with young kid's messing up not 45 year old vets who still cant pitch in the majors. But congrats to Olsen a hell of a job tonight you proved me wrong and just about everone else nice too see the fastball at or around 90-92 instead of the 88 from early in the year.

Posted by: j-dog1 | June 29, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Well, it could be worse. Boston hit home runs they didn't even use against Baltimore.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | June 29, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

"Every time I see a close up of Tavarez, I swear he reminds me of some of the pitchers I used to see on tv in the late 50s and early 80s. He's got that wizened look on his face, the hesitation move. the angle of the cap, the motion to the plate. Just love it."

Me too, love to see pitchers with fire and emotion, even when unfortunately they have nothing that night :(

Posted by: skippy1999 | June 29, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Boz's prophetic post here on Nationals Journal whilst awaiting a rain delay at Bethpage Black:

How Things Change

In the last 30 days, the Nats team ERA is No. 9 in MLB at 3.64.

But the offense is dead last (30th) in every stat that matters __runs (83 in 26 games), batting average (.225) and OPS (.655). The magnitude of the team slump hasn't been noticed much. They should wake up at some point fairly soon, perhaps when Willingham adds a bat.

I guess the question is whether, when the hitting "normalizes" __probably about the middle of the pack in the N.L. for the whole season__ will most of the improved pitched stick around. If so, you could see a lot of improvement over the last 100 games, perhaps the sort of ~.450 play that was expected before the season by some. But if either the kid starters or the bullpen oldsters fall apart...

Earlieer this week, Zimmerman told me, "We knew that four guys weren't going to hit .350 for the season." But they didn't know that reversion to the mean would take the form of a .225 month.

If the hitting just returns to adequate, then watching the progress of Lannan-Z'nn-Martis-Detwiler-Stammen-Olsen-Balester could be quite a bit of fun for the hard core that's still paying attention.

(Yeah, it's raining at Bethpage and it's going to get a lot worse. Just thought I'd say, 'Hi.' Always enjoy reading the stuff here.)

Boz (on a different road computer)

Posted by: Thomas Boswell | June 20, 2009 1:35 PM

Posted by: flynnie2 | June 30, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

HoNats is an acronym for . . . really not funny Cretin who makes Beavis and Butthead look like baseball hof'ers with your crappy-crass comments about Debbi Taylor who is a classy, baseball-savvy working mom who earned my respect when she broadcast for the Red Sox. Show some respect for your betters. Go slobber over someone else's wife in private, if you must.

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HBD is an acronym for the "Hot But Dumb" nickname for Debbi Taylor, coined a while back by (I believe, apologies if I'm mistaken) RicketyCricket.

My counter is the O's in-game go-to, Amber Theoharis, who I call Chai (Completely Hot AND Intelligent)...

Posted by: HotNats | June 29, 2009 9:34 PM

Posted by: flynnie2 | June 30, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

To clarify, while I'm reasonably certain I'm not exactly "a person who is deformed and mentally handicapped because of congenital thyroid deficiency," the basic premise of your comment is pretty much spot-on.

My apologies for the offense.

Posted by: HotNats | June 30, 2009 12:44 AM | Report abuse

"Go slobber over someone else's wife in private, if you must."

Maybe it's just my Puritan upbringing, but somehow that particular option seems worse than the original offense of slobbering over Amber and Debbi in public.

Posted by: joebleux | June 30, 2009 12:51 AM | Report abuse

And as for the remainder of this season, I for one am definitely interested in watching the (hopefully) progress of our young starting staff. If you ever wanted to test and see how a young pitcher will react and perform when dealing with adversity, then I'd say this is one of the best testing grounds you could ask for.

The flip-side, of course, is if they do indeed succeed through such circumstances, then we'd have to see how they deal with the pressures of success, i.e. pitching in clutch playoff situations in opposing teams' ballparks (I know, the kool-aid's flowing nicely, but I do have hope). Their performances in the new Yankee stadium a couple of weeks ago definitely provided a bit of that on that front.

Posted by: HotNats | June 30, 2009 12:59 AM | Report abuse

"HoNats is an acronym for . . . really not funny Cretin who makes Beavis and Butthead look like baseball hof'ers with your crappy-crass comments about Debbi Taylor who is a classy, baseball-savvy working mom who earned my respect when she broadcast for the Red Sox. Show some respect for your betters. Go slobber over someone else's wife in private, if you must."
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Shut up with your Boston-loving and go back to New England, you baseball know-it-alls.

Posted by: VPaterno | June 30, 2009 2:53 AM | Report abuse

“Go slobber over someone else's wife in private, if you must.”
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Ugh. Let’s lighten up on the puritanical rhetoric a bit. I feel compelled to come to HotNats defense here given that he’s gotten himself in hot water referencing comments I made a few weeks back while admittedly drinking too much wine prior to posting. Now that I’ve provided the obligatory “I was drunk defense” let me say this; Debbie Taylor (or would you be more comfortable with “Ms. Taylor: Wife, Mother, Broadcaster”) doesn’t need you to rescue her. She makes her living in the public eye. If you think for one minute that she herself doesn’t understand that being on television means she will be objectified then ask yourself why does she, or any other professional, on-camera broadcaster, male or female, spend so much time in make-up prior to each show? Why do they have a staff of professional make-up artists whose job it is to prepare them to be seen on camera? Give me a break. The comments by HotNats last night, and by myself a few weeks back, while perhaps not in the best taste certainly weren’t that bad. I don’t know Debbie Taylor personally, just like I don’t know Erin Andrews, NFL Network’s Alex Flanagan, and Fox Sports’ Charissa Thompson. However I don’t think their marital and/or maternal status had anything to do with them being subjects of various “who’s the hottest female sportscaster” polls on sites like ESPN. And before you sit down at your keyboard and bang out a defense of someone who never asked for it in the first place, you may want to check your own language. I’d submit to you that she’d be just as offended if not more so, by your reference to her as “someone’s wife”.

Posted by: RicketyCricket | June 30, 2009 6:44 AM | Report abuse

Hotnats Hardened Heart Hardly Hurts HBD.

Posted by: Intrudr | June 30, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse

1. Flynnie has a point on the objectification front. 2. He's not a Red Sox troll but rather has been a Nats-related poster on this forum for a long time. 3. Memo to the Nats: Don't accept any more "Candy-grams" from Land Shark stadium.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | June 30, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Morning all. My head still hurts from listening to the fish pounding our bullpen. We are just a few key pieces away from being good ... the bullpen being an important one of those pieces...


Some random comments to comments:

You might think Tavarez has a look of intensity on his face, but without intensity in his pitches I have to say he's just ugly.

Re: HBD ... the other night my girlfriend walked through the room when Debbie HBD came on (Muted Announcer Sports Network) and asked what I thought about sports commentators being pretty women. We pretty much agreed it was a low trick to assume (correctly) that men are such simpletons, and an equally low trick to keep a pretty woman out of the field simply on account of her gender or looks.

I don't know anything about Debbie Taylor, really. Although I rarely listen to her questions, the ones I've heard are trite. I have no basis to believe you, Flynnie, when you say she knows something substantial about baseball. And while she doesn't really do it for me, it is a nice break from watching all those dudes spitting and adjusting their cup.

Although, Flynnie, I have to give some props for what will surely be remembered as the "slobber over someone else's wife" rant. That was guttural and passionate; short and furtive. I like it. I think we have a spot for you in the bullpen....

Can I get a new post, please?

Posted by: ihatewalks | June 30, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

You asked for it, you got it, IHW.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | June 30, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Can't we all just get along? Now back to our regular scheduled program.

Let me get this straight, Olsen deals for the better part of 7 innings. 2 runs, lots of SO, only 6 hits and no BB's with a rather economical pitch-count. Mr. Brain Trust says okay, da "Kid" did his job let me turn it over to my tried and true bullpen. We all know how the story ends, except of course Manny gets to tell the story for yet another day. No extensions, no love fest, no coulda-shoulda-woulda, let Manny go StanK.

Posted by: TippyCanoe | June 30, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Meaning the new post.

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You asked for it, you got it, IHW.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | June 30, 2009 9:07 AM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | June 30, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Upon reflection, I would note that it's not news that looks factor into choices of tv sideline (and other) reporters, of either sex. I'd also add that by nature sideline reporting tends to be superficial and banal. Neither sex has a premium on that, IMO (see, for example, Ken Rosenthal).

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | June 30, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

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