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He's Not Jamie Moyer

In collecting the morning links, I noticed a trend among the various forward-thinking members of the journalistic baseball community, who all seemed to describe Scott Olsen's start last night in the manner one would describe a Pauly Shore movie that turned out to be funny. The Post's Amy Shipley, for instance, called Olsen's seven-inning, two-run outing "surprisingly brilliant."

The results surprised, but so did the style. Olsen demonstrated improved velocity -- a must if he is to redevelop the effectiveness from earlier in his career. In his eight previous 2009 starts (pre-DL), Olsen had walked batters every time; last night, he walked nobody. In eight previous starts, Olsen was averaging about 6.3 strikeouts per nine innings; yesterday, he struck out seven in seven innings.

Of everything I just mentioned, the velocity is most critical.

Olsen needs his old fastball back, and he knows it. "I'm not Jamie Moyer," he said. "I can't really be hugely successful throwing 82-83. I need to be up around 90."

So let's compare last night's start (94 pitches) with one of his typical starts before the shoulder tendinitis (May 5 vs. Arizona, 92 pitches). Please note: I went back several starts before the injury, simply because in Olsen's final outing before heading to the DL, it was obvious he was throwing with pain.

The full comparison follows. (And please, if you want to investigate every last measurable metric of Olsen's pitching progress, please look here. You can kill a whole lunch hour.)

Anyway...

AVERAGE FASTBALL SPEED
June 29 -- 89.17
May 5 -- 87.51

MAX FB SPEED
June 29 -- 91.6
May 5 -- 89.5

NUMBER OF FASTBALLS THROWN
June 29 -- 58
May 5 -- 36

FASTBALL STRIKE PERCENTAGE
June 29 -- 67.24%
May 5 -- 58.33%

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As for the reading material, here's what we've got...

Game story from the Miami Herald.

The Sun-Sentinel's Jual Rodriguez finds that Florida's players are offering support to the mourning Josh Willingham.

Garrett Mock is named International League pitcher of the week.

Dug up from the archives: A cool little story from the Cal student paper about 2nd-rd pick Jeff Kobernus.

By Chico Harlan  |  June 30, 2009; 9:02 AM ET
 
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Comments

We really need to trade Scott Olsen now...send him to the Rangers.

In fact we need to trade away all of our position players, minus Ryan Zimmerman, as well.

We have plenty of guys who would make for solid DH's on AL teams.

Posted by: BigCarter28 | June 30, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Garrett Mock is named International League pitcher of the week (not Independent) and LHRP Jack Spradlin got the honor in the Eastern League

Posted by: Brian_ | June 30, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

That is the second time we had to correct NJ and (Chico I think) the difference between Independent (crow) and International league. Three times and I want beer.

Posted by: JayBeee | June 30, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Nice piece Chico.

If this is a "real" recovery, then the Martis move looks good now. A real boost for the starting rotation.

More Koolaid, anyone?

Posted by: nattydread1 | June 30, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

to all the armchair managers and 20/20 hindsight commenters, where's the angst towards Willie Harris today? He looked pathetic at the plate and he completely misplayed Bonifacio's triple in the 4th. He not only got a bad break on the ball, but it looked like he was gliding towards it (instead of running hard), then made a very weak attempt to catch it against the wall.

Now I love me some Wee Willie out in center field right now, and that actually would have been one heck of a catch had he made it, but if that was Milledge or Dukes out there last night, you all would be all over them right now. Let's be consistent, shall we?

Posted by: erocks33 | June 30, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

The "kid from cairo" completely misplayed that ball last night, and another thing i'm not sure about him in the leadoff spot i thought he was overmatched last night and also in the Redsox series against Lester don't get me wrong i like the way he plays the game just not sure he's leadoff material.

Posted by: dargregmag | June 30, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

>Now I love me some Wee Willie out in center field right now, and that actually would have been one heck of a catch had he made it, but if that was Milledge or Dukes out there last night, you all would be all over them right now. Let's be consistent, shall we?

22-52. Sub atomic particle theory time travel black hole suck on it and like it. You got to be way down the ladder to care about this mess.

Posted by: Brue | June 30, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

just want to highlight the fact that the Nationals starter walked nobody last night.

Nobody.


Good work, by my measurement.

Posted by: ihatewalks | June 30, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

"but if that was Milledge or Dukes out there last night, you all would be all over them right now."

The ball hit either off the wall or near the base of the wall. Neither Milledge nor Dukes would have gotten close enough to make it even look like it could have been caught.

Harris is still by far the best center fielder we have, and in just the past few games has caught balls that neither of those guys get to.

There's no inconsistency here. Harris is an acceptable major league center fielder; Milledge and Dukes aren't. People got on M/D not because they might have misplayed one fly ball, but because they did in fact misplay many fly balls.

Posted by: joebleux | June 30, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Who does the "HM" on Mock's uniform commemorate?

Posted by: Juan-John | June 30, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I gotta think joebleaux is right - neither Dukes nor Milledge can take the lines to the ball in CF the way Willie Harris can. No, he's probably not a prototypical CF, but Ken Griffey circa 1997 ain't walkin' through that door, either.

My concern is that the spell might be broken for getting top value for Nick. Up until the ball of the shin last week, you could almost believe he could make it a full season. But that injury - while uneventful - certainly reminded me that the guy is beloved but tends to be made out of glass, paper mache and OBP.

Posted by: neato_torpedo | June 30, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

There are leagues which are not affiliated with MLB teams, i.e., independent. There is no "Independent League." http://tinyurl.com/npyobq

Next time, it's Duffy's, near the 9:30 Club, on you. Jaybeee gets PBR.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | June 30, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

The best center fielder you have is Justin Maxwell. He would have caught that ball. He is hitting in AAA. As a hitter he is no worse than Harris and better than Kearns and Dukes (right now). Bring him up. Once he is up here tell our brilliant manager to bat him 6,7 or 2. Forget the 8 spot. Oh Manny - play him.

Posted by: mjames0 | June 30, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Nice piece on Kobernus. Hope he can stick at second...

Posted by: Section220 | June 30, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Awww, maaaaannnn. First Rollie Fingers, now JUNIOR?
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Ken Griffey circa 1997 ain't walkin' through that door, either.
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Posted by: Sec3mysofa | June 30, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for calling my attention to the International/independent mishap. Just carelessness. It's now correct.

Posted by: chicoharlan | June 30, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

"as a hitter he is no worse than Harris and better than Kearns and Dukes (right now)."

Really. I thought he was like 0 fer 18 the last time he was up. And it wasn't a pretty o-fer, either, he couldn't get near a curve ball to save his life.

Maybe eventually he will be a decent hitter, but it won't hurt him to stay in the minors and work on things for a little bit longer.

Posted by: joebleux | June 30, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Please, if Dukes/Milledge/Willingham/Dunn were playing in left or right and tried to make that type of play, everyone would be all over them for not maikng that catch. Again, that would have been a remarkable catch had Wee Wille made it. I'm just saying that if that had been any other outfielder out there (regardless if they were in center or on the corners) and any of them made that kind of effort and came up short like Harris did, they would be tarred and feathered by this angry mob. So, why not do the same with Wee Willie? And remember, Wee Willie isn't a natural CF either.

Posted by: erocks33 | June 30, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I'd love to see Maxwell stick, but he's hitting in AAA because, so far, he's been a AAA hitter. Don't churn the roster based on one game.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | June 30, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Harris over-ran the ball on a tough but makeable catch. That's not why they lost.
Next.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | June 30, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

erocks, you just answered your own question: yes, it would have been a great play if Harris had caught that. That's why people aren't getting on him -- he doesn't botch routine plays, and he does make spectacular plays.

And nobody gets on D/M/W/D for not making spectacular plays; they get on them for botching routing plays.

I hope I'm not arguing with another instance of nunof. I hate when that happens.

Posted by: joebleux | June 30, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

You know, the "new" PBR (which is really the old recipe) really isn't too bad - at least not on draft.
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Next time, it's Duffy's, near the 9:30 Club, on you. Jaybeee gets PBR.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa

Posted by: lowcountry | June 30, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Well, he IS still playing, so maybe this will be the one he dodges. But, is it just me, or just cognitive bias, that going to third from first, he looked like he was hurting? He never reminded anyone of Rickey Henderson, but still.

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My concern is that the spell might be broken for getting top value for Nick. Up until the ball of the shin last week, you could almost believe he could make it a full season. But that injury--while uneventful--certainly reminded me that the guy is beloved but tends to be made out of glass, papier mache and OBP.

Posted by: neato_torpedo | June 30, 2009 10:35 AM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | June 30, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse


PBR on draft? Isn't that sort of missing the point?

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You know, the "new" PBR (which is really the old recipe) really isn't too bad - at least not on draft.
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Next time, it's Duffy's, near the 9:30 Club, on you. Jaybeee gets PBR.
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Posted by: lowcountry | June 30, 2009 10:54 AM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | June 30, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

"but if that was Milledge or Dukes out there last night, you all would be all over them right now"

Yes, they would, but they shouldn't be. The response for Willie is the right one and would be right for Milledge or Dukes, too.

Posted by: Section506 | June 30, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

When Willie doesn't make a play, its news. Willie has made so many wonderful plays this season and last, he should have his own highlight reel. He has earned a pass for not making one damn play for cryin out loud. Leave Willie alone, there are way to many other problems with the defense on this club to warrant criticizing wonderful Willie. One thing for sure, Willies effort should not be in question.

Posted by: cokedispatch | June 30, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Thank you 506. I'm not looking to get on anyone for trying to make a play. In previous outings, Dukes made a similar attempt at a ball and everyone villified him for not making the play (the ball hit his bare hand when he jumped against the wall, but everyone blamed him for not catching it). I would most rather not jump on the players everytime they miss a tough catch by an inch or two. Now, if they drop a ball, or overthrow the nag/cutoff man ... then they're fair game.

Posted by: erocks33 | June 30, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I think it's that Milledge and Dukes each have a personality at odds with what we see as a baseball norm and therefore draw more criticism to themselves. Willie Harris, on the other hand, is the model we expect from baseball players, so he usually gets a pass.

I think the line of what is acceptable from players has shifted a little since Ball Four, and certainly our awareness of players has come a long way, but Bouton's observations about how we expect players to behave and what passes we give for high batting averages (Manny Ramirez) is still spot on.

Posted by: Section506 | June 30, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

31 days till trading deadline. 48 days till Strasburg deadline. Still 19 wins to pass 62 Mets. JD Martin still not in MLB roster.

You guys would complain about a warm day in December. You even complain about the two players who are still trying out there.

Hope springs eternal.

Posted by: natsguy | June 30, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Certainly, if you are "old school" . . .
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PBR on draft? Isn't that sort of missing the point?

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Posted by: lowcountry | June 30, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Good to see Scott Olsen back, sweating and doing well. Glad he's here, and want him to stay a long time. With a healthy Olsen, Lannan, and JZim we've got a good rotation starting up.

We need to improve defense up the middle and of course the bullpen is still a problem. But I'm encouraged over the past few weeks. I think Rizzo is on the right track, the question is if he is going to be able to pull off the moves that are rumored to improve in the areas we need help.

Posted by: raymitten | June 30, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Now, speaking of fair game ... is the honeymoon for Ron Villone finally over? When he started, he was phenomenal. (0.00 ERA over the first 14+ IP).

But in his last 8.0 IP, he's given up 13 hits and 8 walks (2.63 WHIP) and an ERA of 7.88! Has he been hanging with Colome and Hanrahan too much??

Posted by: erocks33 | June 30, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"Good to see Scott Olsen back, sweating and doing well"

with MASN2's crappy picture, I thought the water dripping from Olsen's cap was from the rain. Then I realized the rain had stopped and it was just his sweat! I think I'll start referring to Olsen as "Drippy" from now on ...

Posted by: erocks33 | June 30, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Carpenter noted that he thought Olsen dipped his cap in water while in the dugout.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | June 30, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Another bullpen meltdown. Manny looked like he was going to lose it when J.T. Walked in the 4th run. He actually got a gift getting that third out.

When are people going to start questioning the mechanics of zimmerman's throwing? He almost threw two balls away yesterday. How about some infield practice for him Manny?

Posted by: Tom8 | June 30, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Olsen's hat was definitely from dipping it in water or a mixture. He never had his cap on when the camera showed him in the dugout. Bob said the temperature during the game was 76. Humid, to be sure, but not the kind of heat that causes that flowing perspiration.

Posted by: shepdave2003 | June 30, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Ron Villone, the definition of regressing to the mean.

Posted by: Section506 | June 30, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Recall Maxwell and let him play, yes he is the answer in cf, this team is thirty games under .500 so what do we have to lose stick Harris in left and platoon him with Willingham, as far as Olsen is concerned Gaylord Perry would have been proud.

Posted by: dargregmag | June 30, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

From the Miami paper article:

"On Monday night, after Nolasco gave Olsen a ride to the place where they used to work together..."

I think that is kind of cool. Of course, I might see it differentyl if Nolasco had been as stellar and Olsen had stunk it up.

Posted by: ihatewalks | June 30, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

OK Tomorrow we're into July. What's happening with the Strasburg negotiations? Have they started? Has anyone reached anyone? Let's have a headsup.

Posted by: dovelevine | June 30, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Just saw the last few innings of last night's game. Manny's managing again... Will someone please explain the Peter Principle to Manny? You see Manny, it states that we will all be promoted to our level of incompetence. The smart manager (business or sports) avoids this by identifying someone's true stengths and weaknesses and putting them in a position where their strenghs are utilized and weaknesses are unavailable to be exploited. Even the good managers will make that mistake now and again, but those good ones will realize that they can still get the good out of someone if they put them back to the level where they can succeed and LEAVE THEM THERE. Please reference Ron Villone, Willie Harris, Ronnie Belliard, Jesus Flores (although Manny did realize this mistake and dropped him back in the order again), Anderson Hernandez (to some extent, same here), Joel Hanrahan, Lastings Milledge, etc., etc., etc. Hey, come to think of it, the King and I Yul Brenner analogy isn't really all that bad, is it? Went to same hair dresser anyway (being a fellow baldie, I can say this).

Totally different subject and way out of place, but why are Women's Number 1 tennis players going the way of Spinal Tap drummers?

Posted by: truke | June 30, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Boras won't even start negotiating till the end of July. Thats his MO. Watch to see if he tries to get active with the Japanese or Koreans.

Posted by: natsguy | June 30, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I give up, why?

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why are Women's Number 1 tennis players going the way of Spinal Tap drummers?

Posted by: truke | June 30, 2009 12:41 PM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | June 30, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I see AJ Morris has the same agents as Aaron Crow. Hopefully everybody has learned their lessons.

Posted by: natsguy | June 30, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I saw a werewolf with an Offer Sheet in his hand,
Walking through the streets of Tokyo in the rain.
He was looking for a deal worth 50 mil.
Gonna make a big dent in the CBA...

Ah-ooooooooooooooo! Werewolves of baseball!

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | June 30, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

It looks like Nyjer Morgan is close to becoming a National. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/06/pirates-nats-close-to-swapping-morgan-milledge.html

Posted by: Baseball95der26 | June 30, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Now, speaking of fair game ... is the honeymoon for Ron Villone finally over? When he started, he was phenomenal. (0.00 ERA over the first 14+ IP).

But in his last 8.0 IP, he's given up 13 hits and 8 walks (2.63 WHIP) and an ERA of 7.88! Has he been hanging with Colome and Hanrahan too much??

Posted by: erocks33 | June 30, 2009 11:45 AM
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That's been Villone's modus operandi at least during his time with the Yankees, from what I recall. Had great streaks of lights-out pitching, then a couple of weeks of throwing cookies to every batter under the sun...

Posted by: HotNats | June 30, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Works for me. A useful scrap for a useless scrap.

Posted by: soundbloke | June 30, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh, good. Another outfielder who can't hit his weight--well, OK, Nick's weight.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | June 30, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

So Twitter is a reliable source now? Oh well, I guess that ship sailed with Wikipedia.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | June 30, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only person who just doesn't get this trade? We already have a plethora of outfielders. Could this just be a first step into a bigger trade? (Dunn or Willingham)?

Posted by: Naugatuck-Nats | June 30, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

What we don't have is a centre fielder of any sort.

It does seem that Willigham and Dunn are being held on to for reasons bigger trades but, for Milledge we finally have someone with a decent UZR. A truly fantastic UZR I'd say.

Posted by: soundbloke | June 30, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I predict in three years there will be great consternation over trading Lastings Milledge.

I would rather wait until Milledge rebounds some before trading him, but I don't think he has a future with this team. We don't need more left fielders. On the other hand, if he rebounded nicely, Dunn and Willingham are both gone in 2011 and Dukes has more abilities as a right fielder.

You would still need a centerfielder, though. I still am not a Maxwell the Player fan, though I admire his heart. Seriously, he has the Nook Logan problem of being strong defensively, fast and lost at the plate.

Posted by: Section506 | June 30, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Completely off topic, but I thought you might be interested in this chart comparing the ticket prices (high, low, and median) for all MLB teams.

http://www.flipflopflyin.com/flipflopflyball/info-ticketprices.html

The only teams higher than the Nationals are four of the most successful and established teams in baseball: Dodgers, Cubs, Mets and Yankees. Yes, the Nats are higher than the Red Sox!

Adjusted for the product on the field, let alone the need to build a long-term fan base, and the Nationals are far and away the worst value in baseball. Among the many brilliant business decisions made by the Lerner/Kasten team.

Posted by: Meridian1 | June 30, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

506

I think that Milledge will just never get away from the problem that he is too light offensively for a corner and will never make up for the lack of instincts in center.

The man just can't figure out where the ball is going to land.

Posted by: soundbloke | June 30, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

That could well end up being true, soundbloke. I tend think that he's way too young to be sure of it, and -- since he's got options, we've got Willie Harris and sometimes Dukes in center, we're not contending, and there are better candidates to be bumped from the 40-man -- why sell low?

Posted by: Section506 | June 30, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

506, I agree - Milledge may yet develop into his potential but I don't think it will be in DC. I'm speculating, but I don't think the separation (sending him to Syracuse) was very amicable. And I also suspect that had Milledge not been drafted into the NY media market his "potential" might not be quite as high.

I'm willing to give Morgan a look and would approve a straight up deal.

Posted by: lowcountry | June 30, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

One can only assume it's because they don't see his value going up for at least another year. I agree it's a shame but Milledge just looks like he's going no where in the organisation and Rizzo seems desperate to dump guys who's attitude he does like.

I'm not totally sold but the only way to get his value back up is to use him, and that just isn't going to happen.

Posted by: soundbloke | June 30, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I agree with 506, wait on Milledge. This year is a wash so stick with Harris in CF or call up Maxwell. To me, going into 2010 I'd rather have Bernadina than Morgan. Too bad Roger is hurt now but even still it doesn't make sense to compound an absence by making a trade like this. There's a reason Morgan has bounced around. Let Milledge either earn his way back here or build his value.

Posted by: jfromPG | June 30, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Manny went to the mound and told Tavares to drop the Louie Tiant act and just throw strikes. It didn't work. He did what he could to avoid that run. Villone allows another run. It's 4-2, yet in the 9th we have meen on the corners with 2 outs and a very hot Willingham blasts one to the deepest part of a very big ballpark which would have put the Nats ahead in most other parks. So Manny had them in a position to win. The real question is, who would Manny have had at his disposal had the Lerners not "shocked Bowden with how little money they were wiling to spend" to sign free agents. (Boswell's words from last Thursday's chat.) Instead of second-gueeing Manny, second guess the Lerners, who gave Manny this bullpen so that they could balance the books with their "debt service."

Posted by: flynnie2 | June 30, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

The rumoured Milledge for Morgan trade is a fair deal, if it's a straight-up trade. Lastings could turn into a fairly solid corner OF, if he gets a Manager who'll bark at him occaisionally - Nyjer looks to be an above-average defensive CF, coming into his peak years as a hitter.

If the Nationals are able to make the trade, I'd guess that Belliard would be the player to go - Gonzalez & Harris can handle IF backups, and Willie could still see some time in the OF as well.

The real question is if there is anything cooking for NJohnson. There are a couple of "contenders" out there with problems at 1B (Mets, RedSox). I would'nt mind him going to the Red Sox, if the team could get a RP & one or two AA prospects for him.

Posted by: BinM | June 30, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

"Completely off topic, but I thought you might be interested in this chart comparing the ticket prices (high, low, and median) for all MLB teams.

http://www.flipflopflyin.com/flipflopflyball/info-ticketprices.html"

You're reading that chart wrong. It does show the high and low ticket prices for each individual team, but the medians shown in the chart are the median lowest ticket price and the median highest ticket price across all teams in MLB. Thus the Nationals low ticket price of $5 is below the MLB median of $9, and their high ticket price of $335 is above the MLB median of $205. But the chart does not even say what the average ticket price is for the Nationals, much less the weighted average which would actually be meaningful. So yes, if you want to say that the Nats have the fifth highest high ticket price in all of MLB you would be right. But it's not true that they have the fifth highest ticket prices in all of baseball. Do a section-by-section comparison of ticket prices and you'll find that the Nats prices are in line with those of the O's, who show up ninth from the bottom in the chart you referenced.

Posted by: section417 | June 30, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

It does seem that Willigham and Dunn are being held on to for reasons bigger trades but, for Milledge we finally have someone with a decent UZR. A truly fantastic UZR I'd say.

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where exactly did you get this UZR info? according to fangraphs.com milledge hasn't posted a positive UZR/150 since 2007. he typically has a terrible UZR, unlike Morgan who has consistently put up great numbers.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6441&position=OF#fielding

Posted by: shorty3788 | June 30, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Dumping Milledge for anything in return is a good move. We don't have time to wait for him. He's reached his learning threshold. Dude acted like he'd already arrived, didn't need to work or learn anything else. He insulted the coaches, insisted he'd do things his way, which got him where?

He's been in the big leagues for 4 years and he hasn't even learned that he still needs to learn? He may only be 24 years old, but he's already an entitled vet, dogging it long before he's earned the right. Good riddance.

Posted by: NatsNut | June 30, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, the grammar in that post is horrific. How's this,

'By trading Milledge, for Morgan, we get someone with a fantastic UZR'.

Posted by: soundbloke | June 30, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Milledge for Morgan, new post.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | June 30, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Alright, time for me to get dumped on again, but if they gave Dukes or Maxwell the same blank ticket they gave Milledge - a full season at the ML level to learn CF -they wouldn't even be thinking about bringing in the next Nook Logan/Marlon Byrd/Kid in Seattle who was with the Phils and Mets after us but whose name escapes me, oh yeah, Chavez.

Posted by: truke | June 30, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

If Kobernus is that good he will be just what the doctor ordered for this team.

Posted by: periculum | June 30, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Flynnie: You're right - the Nats were in the game last night until the final out. Sadly, it seems the Marlins find ways to win, and last night was another example.

HotNats has is right, Villone is struggling right now, but Taverez was the gasman last night. As much as we rage about Hanrahan & Colome being highly flammable, there's no-one out there right now that Manny can count on for a "shutdown" inning.

Posted by: BinM | June 30, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I guess at this point I think both Dunn and Willingham would be better served by playing in the American league where they would be pretty fair at DH. Guzman as well. Perhaps a great CF prospect can be had? And a closer to boot.

I guess starting pitching is pretty much settled once they sign on Strasberg? They seem to have plenty of SP's?

With Ian Desmond, and now perhaps Kobernus at second. A new middle infield?

Its the outfield that is weak both from a hitting and fielding perspective. Keep Nick if he has overcome his injury issues and the corners are covered.

They appear to have plenty of utility types both down in AAA and on the parent club.

They need relief pitching and outfielders. Dukes may be one. They now need the others perhaps starting with a bonfide star CF.

Posted by: periculum | June 30, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

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