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More On Flores's Setback

Jesus Flores sat by his locker in a quiet Nationals clubhouse 75 minutes before tonight's game against the San Francisco Giants. He had a sling on his right shoulder. Minutes earlier, it had been announced that Flores will miss at least three months and possibly the entire season with a stress fracture of the acromion bone in the right shoulder.

"It wasn't a good phase or a good feeling for me," Flores said. "It's tough for me to handle this, because I think I'm a pretty healthy guy, so when this thing happens to you, it's not what you can control."

Flores will not be able to use the shoulder for 6-12 weeks, depending upon when it heals. No surgery is required, but he must spend the mean time maintaining the rest of his body.

The injury is another blow during a disastrous season for the Nationals. Flores was batting .311 in his third Major League season. At age 24, he was a crucial part of the organization's future.

"It's a bad day for the organization, but it's not a devastating injury," acting general manager Mike Rizzo said. "It's going to take time to heal, and once it heals, we should have him at full go and at 100 percent. But it takes a big chunk out of his season, and he's obviously an integral player for us and one of the real bright, young catching prospects in the game."

Do not expect any immediate moves for another catcher. Rizzo pledged confidence in the current tandem of Wil Nieves and Josh Bard. (Bard hit a second-inning homer tonight, but he also failed to block a wild pitch and had a crucial error in the fifth inning.)
Plus, Flores remains the Nationals' long-term catcher, and it would not be worth sacrificing a prospect for a stopgap during a season that has already gone awry.

"They're not going to give you the productivity of Jesus," Rizzo said, "but we're satisfied with the guys that we got."

By Zach Berman  |  June 2, 2009; 8:26 PM ET
 
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Sooo... who looks good in the 2010 draft?

Posted by: Kev29 | June 2, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

So let's get the 2009 Christmas list ready:

1. Manager
2. Defensive catcher
4. 3 starters
5. 5 relievers
5. 1B (with Nick gone)
6. 2B (Bye-bye, brain-dead Hernandez)
7. SS (goozie's good as gone).
8. CF
9. RF

Keep both Zimms, Dunn, and start from scratch.

Oh, Clint Hurdle is going to have a fun time with this bunch in 2010.

Posted by: jdschulz50 | June 2, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

I just can't... what a freaking awful day in NatsTown. Add to that 2 more errors (so far) and another blown lead as a result.

12 straight losses spells the end for Acta. #7 seems to be on the way tonight.

Posted by: RicketyCricket | June 2, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I think the trivia question answer was wrong. Vida Blue also won the Cy Young in his first full year.

Yes, I've now resorted to studying the trivia questions. Sigh.

Posted by: baltova1 | June 2, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

@baltova1: I think there's a 12-step program for that.

Posted by: jdschulz50 | June 2, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Ladies and gentlemen, the The amazing Ron Villone.

Posted by: RicketyCricket | June 2, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Working the trivia question is just a way of escaping what is going on out on the field. (I've taken to doing it also).

How in heaven's name do you allow 2 runs to score on ONE wild pitch? Only our boys of summer.

The Nats have clawed their way back to withing one run of the Giants - just to
tease us (again).

Posted by: bigmook | June 2, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Rather than work the trivia thing, I get distracted by extra doses of my bourbon and Maalox. Lots of bourbon.

Posted by: jdschulz50 | June 2, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

One more WP and this jints reliever Affeldt qualifies for the Nats' pen.

Posted by: jdschulz50 | June 2, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

I am a fan of the bourbon as well. It does help numb the pain and frustration.

Meanwhile the current Giant reliever has just "wild-pitched" Zim from 1st to 3rd.

Kearns is coming to the plate. Keep our fingers crossed --- and down another shot of the hard stuff.

Posted by: bigmook | June 2, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

So what was Kearns waiting for on the first 2 pitches - esp. the 2nd one that was right down the middle.

Posted by: bigmook | June 2, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Kearns having a banner year.

Posted by: periculum | June 2, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Austin really did get "all of that one" didn't he.

Posted by: bigmook | June 2, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Next inning you get their closer.

Posted by: periculum | June 2, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Holy mother of god. KEARNS!!!#&$@!! Truly truly awful.

Posted by: RicketyCricket | June 2, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Book on Kearns: anything on first pitch, swing and a miss.
Second pitch: bust him inside for a called strike.
Third pitch: low and away; he either fans or grounds weakly to third.

This is based on two and a-half years of close, consistent observation of this stiff.

More bourbon, Mr. Bartender.

Posted by: jdschulz50 | June 2, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Time to go get tonight's laundry load out of the dryer and try to forget, again.

Nice fielding play by Zim - and a nice play by Nick at 1st.

and then a nice play by Henandez (he caught a routine ground ball). It must be the extra infield practice they have been taking.

Posted by: bigmook | June 2, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

jdschulz50: Have him (or her my favorite type of bartender) make mine a double of Bookers - the 127 proof.

Posted by: bigmook | June 2, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Ah, yes: Bookers: the official top-shelf of NJ.

With that 151-proof rum as a chaser.

Posted by: jdschulz50 | June 2, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Bard just smoked one up-the-middle to lead off the inning.

And Hernandez singles Bard (excuse pinch runner Nieves) to 2nd. Zippo outs. Let's go Nats!

Posted by: bigmook | June 2, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Okay, enough of the bourbon talk. It's really not appropriate.

Especially since I finished the bottle last night.

Posted by: baltova1 | June 2, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

More breakdown of fundamental baseball (bunting 101).

Hey - luck of averages has to favor us at some point in time - Gonzalez has a 1-2 and he just singled up the middle to score Nieves. Tie ballgame. Go Nats!

The 151 chaser sounds good right now.

Posted by: bigmook | June 2, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Hang on...we just tied up the game...have 1st and 3rd with no outs. My question is...How do we blow this? any thoughts?

Posted by: Naugatuck-Nats | June 2, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Pinch hit for Guzzie?

Posted by: bigmook | June 2, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Very nice situational hitting, still no one out, let's keep it going, and finish Los Gigantes!!!
(Just upgraded to HD today, holy crap, this looks sooooo much better!!!!!! I guess it'll degrade a bit once the NJ bourbon kicks in, but at least seeing double will be sharper than normal)

Posted by: HotNats | June 2, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Have Guzzie suicide squeeze bunt?

Posted by: bigmook | June 2, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

C'mon big bats, bring 'em home, no mercy!!!

Posted by: HotNats | June 2, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Guzman singles to right. I am all wet -- Manny knew exactly what he was doing with Guzzie (yeah sure).

Posted by: bigmook | June 2, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

WOW !!! the Nats did something positive. Time for some good luck to come our way. I like how Manny is FINALLY pulling all stops for a win.

Posted by: JT2009 | June 2, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Now, can the bullpen hold the lead...sure would be a good start for McCatty, Come on Zim, provide us some cushion.

Posted by: JT2009 | June 2, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Atta boy, Zimm!!!!!

Posted by: HotNats | June 2, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Wow - Zim drives a double in the gap to right and 2 runs score. We have a 3 run lead.
That why we need to flood the All-Star ballot box for Zim.

Can our bullpen hold that lead? or maybe more. Stay tuned.

Posted by: bigmook | June 2, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Time to put up your Dukes.

Posted by: periculum | June 2, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Awesome 2B by Zimm. Just had one of those feelings like that one was necessary. Big time hit. Let's pile it on deeper ED!

Posted by: RicketyCricket | June 2, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

On cue!

Posted by: RicketyCricket | June 2, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Yikes!!! Hits with men on! That's novel.

Posted by: periculum | June 2, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Way to go Elijah!

Posted by: bigmook | June 2, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Right on, right on, welcome back Dukes!!!
(man, Kearns' ears look bigger in HD)

Posted by: HotNats | June 2, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Nieves.

Posted by: periculum | June 2, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm telling you Manny has really started to coach these guys NOW!

Posted by: bigmook | June 2, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

What's happening? Was there another uniform mixup? Did they accidentally trade with the Giants tonight?

Posted by: nervousnatsfan | June 2, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Dibble's right on this, all of this made possible by Ron Villone.

Posted by: janus4444 | June 2, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

SF looking like the Nats have.

Posted by: periculum | June 2, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Nieves drives it deep to right and Dunn tags from 3rd and trots home. 10 to 5!

Bring on the Yankees!

Posted by: bigmook | June 2, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Like I've always said, Saint was the problem.

Posted by: jdschulz50 | June 2, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Very, very nice inning. Roll with Hanrahan?

Posted by: HotNats | June 2, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Hanrahan.

Posted by: periculum | June 2, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I can not believe what I am seeing. Now, please defense, start playing like a major league team. Can we fire the fielding coach ? Any degree of difficulty seems the Nats will boot. Anyway, this so far looks to be a good night. Go bullpen !!!

Posted by: JT2009 | June 2, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

I guess firing the pitching coach has had a profound effect on our clutch hitting.

Go figure.

janus4444 is right - Villone shutting down the Giants in the 8th was big.

Posted by: bigmook | June 2, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh.

Posted by: periculum | June 2, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

1 down.

Posted by: HotNats | June 2, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Hanarahan is throwing strikes. Ok so far.

Posted by: bigmook | June 2, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Uh ohhhhh

Posted by: periculum | June 2, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

2 down.

Posted by: HotNats | June 2, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Come on Joel pitch to this guy.
Good pitch jammed him inside - 2 down.

Be still my beating heart!

Posted by: bigmook | June 2, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

This is cardiacian...

Posted by: HotNats | June 2, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

UHHHH OHHHH ...

Posted by: periculum | June 2, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

We're 14-game winners! Only five ahead of Roy Halladay! Way to get 'em, guys.

Posted by: jdschulz50 | June 2, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

3 down, BANG ZOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!

Posted by: HotNats | June 2, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Ball in dirt again ... time for relief.

Posted by: periculum | June 2, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Hanarahan stay with heater - 3 pop-up outs.

Nats win! Nats win!

Posted by: bigmook | June 2, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

PHEWWWWW ....

Posted by: periculum | June 2, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Am I dreaming?

Posted by: nervousnatsfan | June 2, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

jdschulz50: Your are such a kill-joy.

No (more?) Bookers for you tonite.

Posted by: bigmook | June 2, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Big win...we needed that one. Nice job fellas!

Posted by: Naugatuck-Nats | June 2, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

I think I lost 5 pounds "watching" these guys tonight.

Posted by: bigmook | June 2, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Villone is 3 - 0. Still with the zero.zero ERA.

Posted by: periculum | June 2, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

1 game winning streak.

Posted by: periculum | June 2, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

They actually played clutch tonight. Good job.

Posted by: bigmook | June 2, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

The McCatty era has begun. Well, not exactly, but hey, it's a win and I'll take it.

Posted by: cokedispatch | June 2, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

McCatty has to be thinking something like "this ain't so bad". Reality can wait at least another 21 hours.

Posted by: RicketyCricket | June 2, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

OK, good win.

Hate to put a damper on it, but the stress fracture might be worse than the F/O admits. PLEASE NOTE---THIS IS NOT A KNOCK ON RIZZO OR KASTEN, BUT...all general managers (interim, permanent, or emeritus) LIE. That is part of their job.

I may be getting old (well, actually I am old), but there are injuries that I never heard of. In fact, growing up I had never heard of an oblique muscle, much less a strain on it. Frankly, I though that nothing more complicated than a scallop or a clam had an adductor muscle. I have, however had a stress fracture. Hate to be a downer, but this will probably be a season ender and, I fear, a career ender.

Posted by: Catcher50 | June 2, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

When I read "maybe a season ender" between the lines it said "See you in 2010". Completely expecting not to see Flores again this season. Career ending? I wouldn't expect that kind of deception. I can't remember an example of a team hiding a career threatening injury.

Posted by: RicketyCricket | June 2, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

So did anyone else have their tv signal crap out in the bottom of the 7th (picture broke up and then went black)? I was too lazy (okay, apprehensive) to go upstairs and turn on the radio, so I kept channel surfing back and forth, but the signal never returned. Eventually there was a message on the screen saying that the channel wasn't available. I gave up a few minutes ago and came upstairs to check email before retiring. Imagine my surprise to get a postgame alert email
saying that the Nats had scored 6 runs in the bottom of the 8th and won the game. Maybe the cameras died of shock?

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | June 2, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Did everybody pass out or what?

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | June 2, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm still looking up "acromion" in the other tab.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | June 2, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Still here NF1a1, sorry to read about your signal problems, had no problem with the feed here, in NW DC, with RCN.

Posted by: HotNats | June 2, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Gawd. May the Giants continue to commit as many errors as the Nats.

Posted by: Juan-John | June 2, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

All right all you cranks & yanks - After a self-imposed, no posts until-they-win hiatus, I'm back in the mix.

To all of you "fire Acta" bandwagoneers - "I hurl insults in your general direction; Your mother was a hamster, and your grandmother's breath smelled of elderberries".

Despite the errors tonight against a team that pwn'd them in 2008, the Nationals pulled one out in the late innings. All you long-standing & long-suffering members of NJ, celebrate, dance & cheer. Let the cranks reposess the blog in the morning; they can't take away from what occured tonight.

Posted by: BinM | June 2, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

natsfan1a1: We're all exhaused from the excitement!

One last thought:

Someone said earlier that the Nats and Giants switched uniforms - and on contemplating that I have to agree. Let's see: the Giants manager pulls the starter - last years Cy Young award winner, early (in fairness he (Licheum sp.) did throw over 100 pitches. The Giants relievers give up a bunch of runs late in the game; Meanwhile the Nats get a critical stop by Villone in the 8th to shut down a Giants rally, our bats come alive in the bottom of the 8th, and Hanarahan puts out the fire in the 9th.

Sounds familiar.

Night-night all.

Posted by: bigmook | June 2, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

1 down, a bunch more to go.
Great night!
GO NATS!!!

Posted by: alm1000 | June 2, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, HotNats, may have been a Verizon glitch in that case.

Good to "see" you, BinM.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | June 2, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

trouble with you is the trouble with me:
got 2 good eyes, but we still don't see.
Come round the bend, you know it's the end--
the fireman screams, and the engine just gleams.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | June 2, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Yes, great win tonight Nats! I got to watch the Giants feed on Comcast (no HD though). What an 8th inning!

Posted by: PattyinSJ | June 2, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Goodnight 1a1; goodnight Patty. Sleep well, & dream of tomorrow. For one night, all is right in NatsTown. I'm out.

Posted by: BinM | June 2, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Trouble ahead, lady in red,
Take my advice youd be better off dead.
Switchman's sleeping, train hundred and two is
On the wrong track and headed for you.

Posted by: RicketyCricket | June 2, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I am a huge Flores fan always liked the way he swung the bat and also how he handled himself behind the plate one of the few moves Jimbo got right(rule 5 draftee) this is not what any of us wanted to hear(any need for a second opinion?).A victory tonite well whadaya know, even a blind squirrel................ Manny still needs to go.

Posted by: dargregmag | June 2, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

That one felt good. Being able to come from behind, and then "step on their throats" as Carp would say, wow.

Def agree with Dibs that the Villone stop was huge. He's been such a positive addition to this team, and exactly where we needed one.

Kinda lost in the mix was that Stammen actually pitched a pretty good game today. He lost it all at the end, but up until that then, he was pretty on point.

Gonna be interesting to see if we can gather some momentum to get retribution against a beat up NY offense.

Posted by: grandstander | June 2, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

"Everyone here seems to like Dibble. Well, I don't so much and here's why. He isn't logical."

Well, to be fair, I think everyone likes Dibble because he's entertaining. And they key to that is to avoid his Knight-tastic rants, which just go on too long and aren't humorous, leaving you just with illogic.

For example, his personal crusade against the "quality start." Just tonight, he babbled "See, I think that was a quality start from Stammen tonight, because he kept his team in the game." Well, yes, Dibble, I'm glad YOU think it's a quality start, but the entire point of statistics is to come up with some objective measure of an event, not record the color commentator's personal opinion.

Perhaps we need a Dibble Start. The starting pitcher exits the game after 6 innings without being in the hole more than three runs. Of course, then his criticism of the Quality Start allowing a pitcher to have a high ERA would be entirely moot as pitchers get a Dibble Start for leaving the game down 15 to 18 after 6.

Really, I think statisticians ought to just throw a bone to the slobbering illogical QS-haters and just change the name. I bet if it was called a "Strong Start" no one would complain about it.

Posted by: Section506 | June 2, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Have to assume that Guzman is out the door soon (because he is probably in demand by contenders) followed by Nick (because he is still unsigned for next year). The only reason it hasn't probably is because Ian Desmond is hurt. They could probably finish with Gonzalez and Desmond toward the end.

The draft brings 2 pitchers to go with the rest. Bally is improving in Syracuse. Clippard and Zenicola are relievers who will get a chance sooner rather than later from the looks of things.

Posted by: periculum | June 2, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh, by the way, my counter-rant on Quality Start wasn't my only thoughts tonight! I'm saving something else for tomorrow after the full game summary on B-R is posted for me to play with.

Posted by: Section506 | June 2, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Your mother was a hamster, and your grandmother's breath smelled of elderberries".

Everyone who posts on RI is a hamster. That's a very large population you just insulted BinM.

Posted by: periculum | June 2, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

"I have, however had a stress fracture. Hate to be a downer, but this will probably be a season ender and, I fear, a career ender."
"Posted by: Catcher50 | June 2, 2009"

Pete Rose ran down Ray Fosse ... pretty much the end.

You'll see them draft a catcher or two or trade with one of the teams for a young one for Guzman/Nick.

Posted by: periculum | June 2, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

If Derrick Norris has any aptitude for calling games, i'd say he gets a look if Nieves or Bard struggles, rather than trade for one. We've got one in the system, folks, and he's tearing it up.

Posted by: sammoMD | June 2, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

I just do not get the Bowden bashing that still goes on in here. With a very limited budget and difficult circumstances he landed every decent player on the club (but for Johnson) in his tenure. While there is no real Ace, there is no Barry Zito, Dontrelle Willis or Mike Hampton sucking up resources either. The team carries not one awful contract in a game where at least half of the teams carry several of them (maybe you could argue Kearns is an awful contract but when it was signed it was not some big stretch and the club has no long term, massive obligation to a guy who cannot perfrom -- a la Gary Matthews, Eric Byrnes or Juan Pierre). Maybe Guzman is making too much? He has hit well over .320 since he re-inked in July 2008 and he took less years and less Dollars than the market would have paid (to make up for having stunk it up and having been injured in his prior deal). Maybe the Crow non-signing is his fault, maybe not -- the Lerners may be responsibile. Who knows.

Anyway, the guy made mistakes, many mistakes, but all GM's do and he really was just not that bad in the grand scheme of things. Zimmermann, Zimmerman, Dukes, Flores, Hanrahan (as bad as he has been, he is good), Guzman, Dunn, Hernandez, Willingham, Detwiler, Lannan and even Lastings injured and in AAA, who still at 24, has good value (as much as he may have been written off by the people who so vigorously lauded him as the next Willie Mays not so long as 2 months ago). (Cogs moved out of town? Rauch, the Chief, Schneider, Church, Bray, Bonifacio, etc.: none has gone on to greatness with another squad. Soriano has been good but not great for the Cubs and the money he is making is far beyond his performanace; note Zimmermann is a Nat due to Soriano not being one.)

The club stinks, but Bowden is not responsible for the general sub-standard play, the players and Acta are on the hook for that. Bowden actually assembled some pretty decent parts. Some of those parts will be here and will be successful for years to come, some will be moved for other talent and some will suck it up and go away, as happens with every club. He was hit and miss but simply not awful.

Mock Bowden for the Segway or the DUI or the DR stuff or his oddness, but he worked hard and he produced some very solid pieces of the Nats future without much to work with. He was not so terrible. Get over him.

Posted by: dfh123 | June 3, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

@dfh123: The team carries not one awful contract in a game where at least half of the teams carry several of them (maybe you could argue Kearns is an awful contract but ...

No buts. Kearns is an awful contract. $8 million for this stiff, who refuses to adjust his swing now that every pitcher above Class A can find the huge hole by busting him inside. As for his alleged defense, I give you his corkscrew act in CF the other day leading to a triple. The guy is overrrated nine ways to Sunday.
He would be DFA'd by most teams except...except, oh yeah, the Lerners are too cheap to eat his contract.

Posted by: jdschulz50 | June 3, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Paging Luke Montz. Paging Luke Montz...

You've got to be kidding me, if the Nats are planning on going the season with Nieves and Bard. This might be the worst catching tandem in the history of major league baseball.

I think I'll be going up to Camden Yards to watch the Mets, when they come to town -- not Nats Park. I'm glad I haven't bought my tickets yet. I'd rather spend my money to see 2 major league teams. If I want to see minor league ball, I'll head down 95 to Potomac, or up 270 to Frederick or Hagerstown.

Posted by: fischy | June 3, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

At least this happened while the Nationals are having a "nothing" season. The whole team should just take the rest of the year off.

Posted by: Pete433 | June 3, 2009 6:42 AM | Report abuse

In any other context, a comment like this would ignite quite a theological debate: "They're not going to give you the productivity of Jesus, but we're satisfied with the guys that we got."

Posted by: mvm2 | June 3, 2009 6:54 AM | Report abuse

Blessed are the cheesemakers, mvm.

In other news (literally), Dick Heller had an interesting column in the OP yesterday about former Senators broadcaster Bob Wolff, who will be honored at Saturday night's game.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | June 3, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

I got grumpy with a beer vendor at the park last night. Sounds kind of questionable right? (Probably just a drunk fan [was not]) And in fact I regret having words with her, but it is quite obvious that some of these vendors have little or no training in customer service. I assume most of them have full time jobs elsewhere and are already pretty tired when they come to the park. Still I would like to think that such small basic concepts as smiling, making eye contact, speaking clearly, and maintaining a minimal energy level is desireable. The vendor in question was no doubt trying to fulfill a responsibility. I had waitied in a fairly deep line and gotten to the front when she said I needed to wait for her to count her money. I could go to the next line. I did. Then when I got to the front of that line she interupted the attendant to ask him to verify her math. I waited again. Then she directed me back to the original line which had grown and would hve put me at the back of a lengthy line again. Then when I complained she remarked (perhaps with intended humor) that I no doubt had more time than money. At this point I lost my cool. I'm still frustrated with myself, but I would have liked a little more sensitivity to the fact that we had already spent a fair amount of money to go to the park and a fair amount of time waiting in line while the game played on. I've never barked at a ballpark vendor before, and will endeavor not to do so again, but last night the circomstances got the better of me. Perhaps this is what Manny means when he says getting angry and arguing doesn't help. It certainly did not improve my situation.

Great game though. Its good to have Dukes back in the lineup.

Posted by: natbiscuits | June 3, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

I can understand your frustration given the situation that you describe, natbiscuits.

Also, we were both new posted.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | June 3, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

BTW, I'd also be inclined to let the team know about the situation (you needn't name the stand, necessarily), with the thought that they might be interested in improving customer service generally.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | June 3, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

It's a good thing they scored six runs because the pyromaniac(Hanrahan) promptly gave one of those runs right back and that is why Manny needs to go, Hanrahan is not a closer he doesn't have the physcological makeup to be a closer Acta should realize that by now i'm betting the Saint said as much but Manny was to stubborn or to stupid to realize it. The question now may be is McCatty a stopgap or is he permanent?

Posted by: dargregmag | June 3, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

It's a good thing they scored six runs because the pyromaniac(Hanrahan) promptly gave one of those runs right back and that is why Manny needs to go, Hanrahan is not a closer he doesn't have the physcological makeup to be a closer Acta should realize that by now i'm betting the Saint said as much but Manny was to stubborn or to stupid to realize it. The question now may be is McCatty a stopgap or is he permanent?

Posted by: dargregmag

Well, if we actually had a closer I am sure that Hanrahan would not be pitching in the ninth inning. You can not blame everything on Manny, even though some try.
Villone is the best relief pitcher we have, but he basically won the game in the seventh inning--do you risk taking him out of the slot that he has found success in? Biemel is our second best but he has had some horrible ninth innings as well. We are a team that just does not have a closer at the moment.

Posted by: driley | June 3, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

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