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Today's Lineups, And More On Acta

This is the second time since February that a sense of inevitability -- and a day-to-day apprehension -- has fallen on the Nationals. Earlier this year, everyone was counting down the final days for GM Jim Bowden, the dead man walking. He knew it, too. Just a few days before he resigned, he signed a baseball for a fan, 'Jim Bowden, "GM." '

Now, everyone is on Manny Acta watch. Players are talking about his job security, wondering if he'll be managing their team on Tuesday in New York. Members of Acta's coaching staff have gotten telephone calls from friends and family -- 'Will you have a job?'

Well, at least for today, Acta is still managing. I have not confirmed the Fox Sports report that indicated Acta's firing is definite. But even those who believe a decision has not yet been made think his tenure is measured in days. "It does not look good for him," one source said.

Until today, team president Stan Kasten was traveling with the team -- a noted rarity. He has since flown up to New York for a family function. After tonight's game, the Nats will fly directly to New York, in advance of their three-game series against the Yankees. They have an off day tomorrow. Back on June 1 (another off day), when questions about Acta's job security were buzzing, the team briefly relieved the pressure on its third-year manager by firing pitching coach Randy St. Claire.

But since then, the Nationals have gone just 3-8.

This is the team that Acta, entering spring training, called the very best of his tenure. He reflected on that today.

"I said this was the most talented team I had, talking about the position players," Acta said. "We also knew we were rebuilding a bullpen. We lost our two top guys on the back end -- three, if you include Luis [Ayala] in there. And it is still the best talented team we had here in three years, when it comes down to position players. That being said, we haven't played the way we were expected to play... We're all accountable for what's going on here."


Washington

Harris - 5
Johnson - 3
Zimmerman - DH
Dunn - 7
Dukes - 8
Patterson - 9
Gonzalez - 6
Bard - 2
Hernandez - 4

Tampa

Upton - 8
Burrell - DH
Longoria - 5
Pena - 3
Zobrist - 4
Gross - 9
Kapler - 7
Navarro - 2
Brignac - 6

Pitchers:
Washington - Detwiler
Tampa - Shields

By Chico Harlan  |  June 14, 2009; 1:13 PM ET
 
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This Lineup just shows how stupid Manny is. Patterson is a great CFer....sure put him in RF that makes perfect sense. Fire him for this move would be justified.

Posted by: JayBeee | June 14, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Harris @ 3B, Patterson in RF - Hunh?

Patterson hitting 6th = rally/inning killer.

Posted by: BinM | June 14, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm starting to believe that Manny's begging to get canned. This lineup could do it.

Posted by: BinM | June 14, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Is it dead in the NJ - or what!?

Posted by: johnbear1 | June 14, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Here's a thought for the NJ regulars - What about AGonz as a MI-CF utility player? He has range, can hit (albeit for no power), and has good speed. Belliard is pretty much toast in the IF-UT slot, and Harris in the IF-OF slot isn't getting any younger.

Posted by: BinM | June 14, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

That is just the kind of baseball that Acta refuses to play. Imagine that! A squeeze bunt. During the last home stand, in the rain and in the eighth inning, the Nats had the winning run at third with one out and Acta did not even entertain the thought of a squeeze in the slippery conditions. The result? A loss in the ninth.

Sometimes I wonder if he is really that intelligent. Sometimes I wonder about the relationship between him and his coaches. Do they dare approach him when he has a brain freeze? Does he bother to talk to them? It will all come out when he is gone.

Posted by: MKadyman | June 14, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps Manny is coaching scared. Some folks are more concerned with being criticized/second guessed (and methings some people by nature second guess themselves, which really limits decisiveness) and therefore are more conservative than they should be. At this point, there's nothing to lose, so might as well be aggressive and do things like MK mentioned above--squeeze bunts, etc.

Posted by: jfromPG | June 14, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

oops...methinKs

Posted by: jfromPG | June 14, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Given today's weather - the fact that it is quiet here, is a good sign.

I came in to get a soda, and am on my way back out...

Posted by: comish4lif | June 14, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Actually the tone is so bitter in here, there's not much point in participating...

Posted by: natbiscuits | June 14, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Way to come up with the big hit Dunn !!! That AB pretty much shows the Nats' problem - their clean up batter is up and is working for a walk. Just not smart baseball

Posted by: JT2009 | June 14, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Natbiscuits,

Sure blame the fans....It is the team ownership, the players and the Manager that created this climate. You can not get worse each year and get to a pace that makes you historically bad and then blame fans for being mad!

Posted by: JayBeee | June 14, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

>Sometimes I wonder if he is really that intelligent. Sometimes I wonder about the relationship between him and his coaches. Do they dare approach him when he has a brain freeze? Does he bother to talk to them? It will all come out when he is gone.

The guy is rigid. Rigid thinking is a telltale sign of a lack of intelligence. Not asking for help may start out as an insecurity, but if you do it repeatedly and don't make adjustments, it's because you're just not very bright. Too bad StanK had to bury this season before he got his head out of his rectum.

Posted by: Brue | June 14, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

A new manager will NOT help this snakebit team. If the FO fires Manny, I may consider not going to another game at all this season, including the Red Sox game.

Posted by: Juan-John | June 14, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Oh come, Brue. One might argue that placing too much stock in ones own opinion when based on incomplete data is also a sign of lack of intelligence. Either way the irony in your comment is inescapable.

Posted by: soundbloke | June 14, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Manny lost us this one too. Benching Zim for a rest @24?? Ball that Aybar hits is a routine out if Zim is there because he charges the ball and catches it long before it hits the bag.

Posted by: raymitten | June 14, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Juan-John: You can't be serious if they fire Acta the FO would only be about a year and a half late in putting Manny out of his misery.They need to bring in Tim Foli not Riggleman.

Posted by: dargregmag | June 14, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

My 84 Y.O. Mom, an avid Nats (and Senators) fan, just called and stated that the Nats are cursed! "They all are cursed!"

Posted by: NickfromGermantown | June 14, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Nvts.

Posted by: Scooter_ | June 14, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Manny lost us this one too. Benching Zim for a rest @24?? Ball that Aybar hits is a routine out if Zim is there because he charges the ball and catches it long before it hits the bag.

Posted by: raymitten | June 14, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

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he's played every game let him get a rest. and detwiler lost it by walking people with a 4 run lead.

Posted by: nami322 | June 14, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

The Nats are baseball's Welcome Wagon. Opponents are always happy to see them pull into town. Now on to Yankee Stadium....yikes!

Posted by: leetee1955 | June 14, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I do not think Manny makes it to NY, just a guess on my part.

Posted by: CBinDC | June 14, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

After 60 games....

1962 Mets 16-44
2009 Nats 16-44

Can't anybody play this here game?

Posted by: leetee1955 | June 14, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Wanna know something? We need good karma. No matter what happens with Manny, I think he's a really fine human being. All of you who like Dibble, note that he said he wd have loved to play for Manny. So here's the karma part--I'm sending a contribution to the ImpActa Kids Fdn. If they can Manny, it will be as a thank you for the effort that he has given this team. Please, no sarcasm about that last remark.

Posted by: Section109 | June 14, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

this team IS cursed. maybe we need to sacrifice a segway (and clint) on the pitchers mound and ask for the forgiveness of the baseball gods.

Posted by: surly_w | June 14, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

>I do not think Manny makes it to NY, just a guess on my part.

Only if he drives himself there. Did you read his lips when he made the pitching change after that grounder that hit the bag? 'Can't believe it hit the damn bag'. Yeah we can't believe it either, dude. Along with the innumerable amount of things he could have done to help make the team more successful. The '62 Mets - hoo hoo hoo suck on that and like it baybee

Posted by: Brue | June 14, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Guys, I don't think Manny makes it out of Tampa.

He has to be fired today, right now, this very second.
If it doesn't happen I can only say that it's got to be because of cheapness, no other reason.

It's sad, Acta is a great guy and there is nobody that we wanted to see more success from than Manny, but right now this is a runaway freight train that is about to wipe out a major city.

A change is the only thing that will help this team. In a way it's just like getting rid of George Bush, he had to go and thankfully the election couldn't of come at a better time. Think that Nats management thought they could limp to the end of the season before they make a change, but if they don't change things I see terrible damage for the future.
I can see a lot of players unhappy to be on a team like this, how are we going to keep players like Gusman, Johnson and Dunn who would probably love to jump ship.
On top of that, if this continues for the rest of the season I can't see any season ticket holders staying on, I am close to saying no to 2010 and we are six months before a decision has to be made.

This is awful and sorry to say Manny has to take the blame for it.

Just wonder after Manny who is next that we blame?
Kasten?
Rizzo?

Its a mess

Posted by: Golfersal | June 14, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Manny gets asked about 'a bad break with the ball hitting the bag' and he conveniently ALSO mentions the cut-out where Kapler hit the homer. That would be called passive-aggressive behavior for the kids out there. That's one thing he does well - find sources of blame. A real man indeed. That's what coaching looks like without a sack or a brain.

Posted by: Brue | June 14, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Natsluck, that's what we've got, that's what we've got. Natsluck!

Posted by: leetee1955 | June 14, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

after 61 games:

1962 Mets 16-45
2009 Nats 16-45

and the Mets record included a 17-game losing streak.

Posted by: WJStephens | June 14, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

>after 61 games:

1962 Mets 16-45
2009 Nats 16-45

and the Mets record included a 17-game losing streak.


Just when I thought suck on it and like couldn't get any better.

Posted by: Brue | June 14, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

and to think i used to laugh at teams as bad as this one. this team is 29 friggin' games under .500 IN THE MIDDLE OF JUNE!

Posted by: surly_w | June 14, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Nats could threaten that with upcoming schedule. Only thing that might save 'em is the Orioles' series. They won't beat the Yankees, they won't beat the Red Sox. They may take one from Toronto.

Posted by: NFBLooser | June 14, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

The Yankees beat the tar out of Santana today. What do they have in store for the Nats this week?

I guess we'll experience what our fathers saw in the 50s and 60s - Washington getting shelled in the Bronx.

Posted by: Kev29 | June 14, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Manny never makes it to NYC. Lerners, knowing flights are cheaper to Dominican Republic from Florida, save on airfare by canning him Tampa. Hey, that's how these guys think. How else do you think they built White Flint and Reston Town Center? And you support these low-lifes everytime you shop there.

Posted by: jdschulz50 | June 14, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

That being said, we haven't played the way we were expected to play... We're all accountable for what's going on here."

This is the number one reason why this guy needs to hit the bricks ASAP. Even after all of this he can't come down and say it, I'm the manager, its on me!

Reminds me of Gen McClellan, when pressed by Pres Lincoln to attack, McClellan who had a far superior force in both numbers and capability simply said he "was out numbered".

Posted by: TippyCanoe | June 14, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

The Bataan death march(no disrespect to WW2 veterans)starts Tuesday in NY,so why not bring in Foli its just a few hours from Syracuse have Foli meet you there call a presser and introduce a new era in Nats baseball,on another note how many times is Adam Dunn gonna leave men on base at critical junctures of a game i mean would it be too much troulble for you take the bat off your shoulders or stop waving at pitches out of the stike zone.

Posted by: dargregmag | June 14, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I just want to mention that in spite of all that has been said and written and the Nats always trying, I think that is true, but that they also expect to lose. You see it in Dunn's face all the time now, well it would be his face if not for his holding his head in his hands. The over all expected out come is negative no matter what situation they find themselves. Whose fault? Not sure but energy of this kind needs to transformed before anything good will happen again.

So ask yourself is Manny Acta the person to transform this energy?

Posted by: CBinDC | June 14, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Fire Manny! Fire the fans! Fire the journalists! Fire the team! (oh wait, you can't do that) Fire the coaches! And, while I'm at it, fire all the corrupt (which would be pretty much all of them) politicians, too! Back up the truck! Beep...beep...beep

Seriously, I will be sorry to see Manny go, and I don't think it will make much difference as far as the W-L record. If, indeed, he is to be fired and if the Nats leaked it, they are showing a total lack of class and humanity, just as they did with Frank.

Last but not least, as posted to an earlier thread, interesting Ken Rosenthal penned a piece throwing Jerry Manuel under the bus for throwing his team under the bus at about the same time that he penned the Manny rumor piece. Wonder whether his MLB source was with the Mets?

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | June 14, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Blame for the loser mentality rests solely with Teddy Roosevelt. Who came up with that idea, anyway? It has run its course, so to speak.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | June 14, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I have a feeling that the delay in firing Acta might be related to the working out a deal involving someone besides Riggleman. Why wait three days? There very well could be something going on behind the scenes that we don't know about.

Posted by: MKadyman | June 14, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Carrying forward in re. my post above:

Since we're sharing Ken Rosenthal links, here's one where he criticizes Jerry Manuel for throwing his team under the bus publicly.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9671984/Finger-pointing-may-hurt-Manuel-in-long-run

Kind of a funny coincidence that his rumor about an Acta firing should pop up at about the same time, eh? Did he happen to say which MLB team his Acta rumor source worked for? hmmm...

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | June 14, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | June 14, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Baseball Almanac is a wonderful reference tool to learn how horribly bad this current Nats team is. I checked the records of all of the Senators/Nationals teams in my lifetime from the 1955 season forward, and this squad is the runaway winner of Bad Baseball Theater. All of the teams covered from 1955-2007 had won at least 20 of their first 61 games. The 2005 Nats were 35-26; and (surprisingly) the 1961 American League expansionistas and the 1969 86-76 squad were both 30-31 after 61 games. The 61 team started a ten-game losing streak at game 61 and finished with a 61-100 record. The 1957 Griffith Senators were 20-41 and finished last at 55-99. The 1904 Senators, worst in franchise history at 38-113, were 11-47 at the 61-game mark, but played three ties.

Posted by: leetee1955 | June 14, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

if the mets still want manny...come and get him!

Posted by: surly_w | June 14, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

> I checked the records of all of the Senators/Nationals teams in my lifetime from the 1955 season forward, and this squad is the runaway winner of Bad Baseball Theater. All of the teams covered from 1955-2007 had won at least 20 of their first 61 games. The 2005 Nats were 35-26; and (surprisingly) the 1961 American League expansionistas and the 1969 86-76 squad were both 30-31 after 61 games. The 61 team started a ten-game losing streak at game 61 and finished with a 61-100 record. The 1957 Griffith Senators were 20-41 and finished last at 55-99. The 1904 Senators, worst in franchise history at 38-113, were 11-47 at the 61-game mark, but played three ties.

This here is some quality suck on it and like it. Sort of like the historical version.

Posted by: Brue | June 14, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

"Jim Bowden, 'GM'"

It's definitely one of the "conversation pieces" in my baseball collection. : )

Posted by: dcbatgirl | June 14, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Surely he will be fired later today or tomorrow.

And so what may be the most disappointing, even humiliating, season in the long and sordid history of Washington baseball grinds on.

We deserved a little better than this.

Posted by: Meridian1 | June 14, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

dcbatgirl

did the "GM" stand for "Gone Monday?"

Posted by: surly_w | June 14, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

If it weren't for Charlie and Dave this season would be totally intolerable. May we one day have a baseball team worthy of our radio broadcasters.

Posted by: leetee1955 | June 14, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Last night Manny was trying to give some pointers to Lannan in the dug out when JZim was on the mound. Looked like it was something to do with checking runners at second, etc...

Lannan wasn't really interested. Looked like he was watching Manny just to be nice but wasn't really paying attention.

That's the problem. This young club needs someone with some hash marks to lead them and Manny just doesn't have their attention. They don't seem to respect him as a manager. That's really bad when you've got so many guys on the team who are still developing.

So we can him (and I've been saying axe him for months now)... who DO we get that the players will listen to and has something good to tell them??

Posted by: SaveOurTeam | June 14, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Hello gang...been a while since I posted. Last few times I noted that I was tired-hard to believe considering my ardent love of the game and my ecstasy at having my own team to root for. Also I noted that some familiar voices seemed to be feeling the same way-given their shorter or non-existent contributions....but I see plenty of other old voices-new ones too-with plenty of intelligent things to say about our team. Amazing....anyhoo, regarding Manny...if he does go, why put in a guy-Riggleman-of similar temperament? I facetiously had suggested that we send Manny down to AAA (since we seemed to believe in his potential so strongly)and bring UP Foli...! Wow, I'm at a loss (a familiar feeling these days)...IF mgmt/Lerners were so sure of Manny-why get rid of him now? The extent of the dysfunction in this organization....you've had everyone else take the fall, and NOW he's got to go? As if we're playing-or Manny is managing-any differently than 20 games back? Jeez-I can't seem to put down a coherent post here...thoughts are jumbled...are the Nats or whatever virus has infected them catching? Arrrgh!! Maybe I'll be capable of lucid commentary on Tuesday...no game tomorrow....Go Nats....

Posted by: zendo | June 14, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Surly, Based on my conversation with Jim that day, I'd have to say that he meant "GM in title only."

I collected this particular autograph at the Osceola County Stadium in Kissimmee, the Astros' spring training facility, on a Wednesday. Bowden resigned on Sunday.

Posted by: dcbatgirl | June 14, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

dcbatgirl/surly... Maybe he meant "Go Manny"... figures that's his revenge for getting canned...

Posted by: SaveOurTeam | June 14, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

dcbatgirl

jimbow resigned on a sunday and was gone monday. lol!

Posted by: surly_w | June 14, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

SOT, It will no doubt seem out-of-character, but I would describe the Jim I spoke with that day as self-deprecating in a sort-of sweet and vulnerable way. Jim had been sitting alone when I approached him, and we talked for a while about a variety of things, from John Lannan's socks to the "elephant in the room." I wished Jim "good luck" with whatever comes next, and he responded pretty directly to what I meant, including expressing gratitude that a random fan had stopped by and taken the time to interact with him as a person.

Posted by: dcbatgirl | June 14, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

dcbatgirl

don't let SoCH, er, sbiel2, read that you have warm fuzzies for segway boy. and new post.

Posted by: surly_w | June 14, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Surly, I'm not worried about Steven. He lets his warm and fuzzy side show from time-to-time as well.

Besides, you have to concede that we have plenty of soap opera characters in this drama. : )

Posted by: dcbatgirl | June 14, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

My 84 Y.O. Mom, an avid Nats (and Senators) fan, just called and stated that the Nats are cursed! "They all are cursed!"

Posted by: NickfromGermantown | June 14, 2009 4:23 PM
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At least she saw a pennant in her lifetime (okay, it came when she was eight years old) and a pennant race in 1945 at about age 20.. There are people collecting Social Security who have never seen significant September baseball in Washington.

As for the managerial situation, let Manny go, if only for his own sake, bring Riggleman in as a caretaker (just as he did in Seattle last year), then clear house at season's end by hiring a new GM who in turn can hire his own manager. The only way to solve this disaster is not by hiring a "fiery" manage such as Folir; this situation needs far more than a Band-Aid. Bring in an outsider to clean up the Bowden disaster and start from scratch. There is no alternative -- the culture of this franchise has to be completely changed.

Posted by: VPaterno | June 14, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Let Teddy win a race. I assure you that will end the curse and we'll get rolling.

Posted by: upperdeck4 | June 15, 2009 7:40 AM | Report abuse

you would think that somebody in the bullpen would have gotten the heck out of the way and given us a chance to get an out last night...Dukes makes a nice throw to the cut-off man, who happens to be in the wrong spot....giving extra outs, walks and stolen bases on a regular basis is not a good antidote for changing things around....

Posted by: outrbnksm | June 15, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Just adding my two cents worth here...this whole ugly season falls first and foremost on the Lerner family who allowed Jimbo to cozy up to them while virtually ignoring Stan Kasten who had accomplished far more than Bowden ever did in his career. Bowden's ill fated decisions (trading for Lopez & Kearns) running off our best relief pitchers (Cordero, Ayala) trade of Rauch for what?, Hernandez to the D-Backs for what?, etc have come back to bite this team in the a$$ in a mean way. If I recall correctly it was Jimbo who pushed hard to hire Manny as the field manager three years ago....just what we needed, an inexperienced manager at the helm of a young inexperienced team.

I don't see Foli being the solution here and I don't see any problem with letting Riggleman run this sorry ship the rest of the season. After this miserable year is finished I hope the Lerners will sit back and let Stan make the decision as to who the new GM will be and if that is Rizzo so be it, and let the GM and Stan select the new field manager. If Riggleman can get the team to play better in the second half give him a contract for next year or for two years. But first and foremost the Lerners need to let a real baseball guy with proven success run the show and get the heck out of his way.

Posted by: CHAMP1464 | June 15, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I'm with NATSFAN1A1!

Its dispicable that both the organization possibly leaked this information to a reporter who didn't have all the facts before doing so! Everyone knew Acta's days were numbered by the speech he gave when St. Claire was let go. Something to the effect of "We're all hired to be fired..." So tell me why in Gods name an organization or a reporter has to emphasize the fact and start a "death of job watch" on Manny! You don't think the team has enough problems trying to win games and sign draft choices?!

Speaking of Draft Choices, how are we showing those young men how this organization treats its employees?! This was classless by all accounts. On whoever leaked it and including the reporter who's trying to get kudos for a classless act!

I've already ranted and raved on another message board about this! I'm sure many of you will respond back with "this happens all the time" crud. No it doesn't by classier organizations. It didn't happen to Bob Melvin that way and it didn't happen to Clint Hurdle that way. It did resemble the way Jerry Manual was treated. Yeah, we really want to use the METS as an example of how to treat your employees!

Posted by: CALSGR8 | June 15, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

But first and foremost the Lerners need to let a real baseball guy with proven success run the show and get the heck out of his way.

Posted by: CHAMP1464 | June 15, 2009 8:55 AM
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Sorry, but the guy who did that in Atlanta was Schuerholz, not Kasten. Stan's more concerned with stupid presidents races and creating a ballpark experience as obnoxious as Atlanta's (in a far more sophisticated market than those SEC football-obsessed rubes) to notice.

Posted by: VPaterno | June 15, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I agree with VPaterno and zendo.

Riggleman's record as the designated stand-in manager is pretty horrific. Kasten, Rizzo etc. just don't seem to have it where this team and DC is concerned. Inviting Philly fans to the ballpark? Philly fans? The same as inviting Dallas Cowboy fans to fill up Fedex or worst, RFK on a Sunday.

Kasten doesn't get it. Rizzo apparently doesn't get it. Manny needs seasoning as a manager just as his young pitchers do.

Bring back Frank Robby. At least the guy is well known locally ... (especially considering what he and his Orioles did to the Senators.) Or bring in Frank Howard. Tim Foli? Another Mets product? Howz about the guy managing the PNats, Trent Jewett, he seems to like to win while training the young guys. Maybe they need Menhart too.

Perhaps to some this sounds silly, but the choices are just as in the past (re: Billy Martin / Casey Stengal) find a manager who is entertaining, and can make the team (even when losing seem entertaining) or find a manager who can teach and win.

The season is toast. Might as well make the best of things and do the right things for the franchise.

Posted by: periculum | June 15, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

VPaterno,

"..the guy who did that in Atlanta was Schuerholz..." yes, and he was hired by Stan Kasten, President of the Atlanta Braves.

periculum,

I did NOT say that Riggleman was the end all and be all of baseball managers I just suggested that he was the right person for this time, i.e., the remainder of the season. He is the only guy in the organization who has big league managerial experience at this time. If improvement is shown under his watch than maybe he should be considered for the full time position next year. To say that "his record as the designated stand-in manager is pretty horrific" is hardly relevant as most "stand-in managers" for any length of time, have sub .500 records. What Tracey has done with the Rockies this year is more the exception than the rule. And remember, last year's Mariners were almost as difficult to watch as this year's Nationals. Under Riggleman however the M's did show some improvement to finish out the season.

Posted by: CHAMP1464 | June 15, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

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