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Boswell: Strasburg Waiting to Hear from Nats

UPDATED 7:12 p.m.

Stephen Strasburg received the Golden Spikes Award during pre-All-Star Game festivities as the best player in college baseball this season. In the past Golden Spikes winners have performed far better as professionals than, for example, Heismann Trophy winners in college football. The most recent example is Tim Lincecum of the Giants, the 2006 Spikes winner, who will start this All-Star game for the National League and has already won a Cy Young Award and been an All-Star in '08.

Strasburg was mobbed by media after the ceremony at Fan-Fest in the vast St. Louis convention center. Well, actually, he wasn't. He was mobbed by me. There were no other media of any kind -- print, radio, TV, Internet, blog, bog or intergalactic.

Strasburg said that "I haven't heard from the Nationals" since he was drafted, other than receiving a minor league contract -- a technicality that prevents him from becoming a free agent.

While the Nationals have not spoken directly to Strasburg, acting general manager Mike Rizzo has been in frequent contact for weeks with Strasburg's agent, Scott Boras, according to Nationals President Stan Kasten.

Strasburg seemed a bit perplexed by the lack of communication since the signing deadline is Aug. 17 and many other Nats draft picks are already under contract. But he probably shouldn't be. Both the Nats and Strasburg are in a stalemate period now because both sides know the long history of negotiations involving clients of Boras. The agent never likes a first offer. Why should he? But, sometimes, those initial offers are also characterized, publicly, as insulting or alienating to the players he represents. This may be a sincere response or feigned, but it is consistent.

So, apparently, the Nats aren't anxious to poke themselves in the eye with the first sharp stick of these negotiations, especially since, so far this week, they've had a manager to fire and a public letter of contrition to their fans to release. Also, before the Aug. 1 trading deadline, they may have several players to trade. However, if they wait too long to get serious with Strasburg, they may actually begin to insult or alienate him. See how much fun this is?

However, before the ritual acrimony begins, probably from both sides, Strasburg had several interesting or pleasant comments to make as he got his award.

"This is an amazing feeling. Just three years ago, I was wondering if I'd even make the San Diego State team. It's been a roller coaster ride. But if you want something bad enough, go out there and get it," he said. "Just a lot of blood, sweat and tears went into this. As a freshman, I couldn't even get through the first workout. I was 30 pounds heavier. I was weak mentally and physically."

His college coach, eight-time NL batting champ Tony Gwynn, has given him plenty of advice since his final game. "He tells me, as a pro, don't worry about highs and lows. Just go out and do your best," said Strasburg. "In college, not every team will have [No. 2 overall draft pick] Dustin Ackley batting at every spot from one-through-nine."
If those far better batting orders sometimes give him a problem, Gwynn has told him to be classy and "act like a big leaguer."

As in the past, Strasburg maintained that he has had little time to follow major league baseball while in college. Of the switch from Manny Acta to Jim Riggleman as Nats manager, he said, "I was not familiar with either of them. I didn't even follow [his hometown] Padres much." He has no particular thoughts on the relevancy of the Nats' bad record to their chances of signing him. However, he does seem fairly certain that the Nationals play in Washington.

To get a sense of the real Strasburg, who was just an overweight kid on the fringes of a second-tier college program three years ago, you have to get far away from the subject of high-dollar contracts or even fancy Silver Spikes awards. What does he think of the All-Star game fan-fest, a vast conventional hall full of delights, distractions and dignitaries to please any baseball fan?

"This is an amazing scene," he said. "This blows everything out of the water."

By Thomas Boswell  |  July 14, 2009; 4:37 PM ET
 
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RIZZO: THERE ISN'T MUCH TIME LEFT!!? Do you hanker for a pink slip as well?

Hoc est Ridiculum ... sheesh.

Posted by: periculum | July 14, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Sigh. Can't anybody here manage this team?

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 14, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Probably better to have said: Can't anybody here run this team? Geez. I can't even deliver a good punchline today.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 14, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

How can they not make a single contact? This has got to be a joke! If this does not get done, they better at least make it seem like this are putting all their effort into this.

Posted by: Tom8 | July 14, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

To be fair, since the team stopped using FedEx, maybe the offer hasn't arrived yet.

Posted by: dclifer97 | July 14, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure what to make of this about Strasburg and frankly it's really much to do about nothing probably.

On a couple of more interesting subjects, I saw STisMyMainMan's 2011 line up from a couple of threads ago. Gosh that's scary. That's an awful starting 8. There might be 2 or 3 legitimate big leaguers there. We need to accept that right now within the organization below the majors, there are very few position player prospects. They have to go the FA route, which is very tricky and expensive.

Someone else (I'm sorry I forgot) posted a list of the attributes they wanted in the next manager. Here are mine:

1. Someone who brings credibility and attention to the franchise, but in a quiet and dignified way - no Bobby Vs. Kirk Gibson maybe.

2. Someone who can communicate with the modern player, probably because he is a fairly close in age to them, although not a requirement.

3. Someone who will call out umps and opposing managers when they are acting like jerks.

4. Someone who will have high standards of professionalism for his players, asking them to give 100% every day.

5. Someone who has a high standards of professionalism for himself and his staff. Example is the best teacher. He needs to outwardly show that excellence is important by the way he acts publicly and around his players.

6. Someone who will let players know in no uncertain terms when they don't meet those standards, but does it behind closed doors. He should not use the press. That eliminates Larry Bowa.

7. The tactical stuff is not that important. It's probably worth only a game or two a year.

These attributes will fulfill the only bullet point in a manager's job description: build a winning atmosphere.

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Posted by: db423 | July 14, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

In the next-to-last paragraph, the Golden Spikes turned Silver. And halls where conventions are held may or may not be conventional.

Also, Heisman only has one "n", except when it begins with a "T".

Posted by: Cosmo06 | July 14, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Does not anyone listen (read) the NATS columnlists on how these negotiations will go. First Boras allows no (none nada zilch) contact between his client and the other Party, in this case Strasburg and the NATS. Second, the team has said that a "significant" offer (read "first") to Boras. The fact he hasn't spewed about it (see Boz above) is good. Third, everybody but everybody says that this gets done or undone on the last day 15 minutes to midnight. Now forget about it until a week before the 15th (or whenever the deadline is) and enjoy (if y'all can) the baseball to come this second half.

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Posted by: adhardwick | July 14, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I know that these negotiations are going to go down to the wire. But they haven't been in contact with SS since the draft? Have they been working with Boras directly?

Well, at least I won't agonize over renewing my tickets this year.

Posted by: comish4lif | July 14, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

This looks like a repeat of the Aaron Crow mess last year. Dumb teams never learn, they just keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Kasten hates agents and his chances of cutting a deal with Boras are about as good as me winning the MLB All Star Home Run Derby. Strasburg should start learning to eat with chop sticks.

Posted by: bupbups | July 14, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Who's the #2 prospect next year? Actually that's a bad question, they'll use the 1a pick on someone way under slot to save money for Harper, who they also won't end up signing. A better question would be who are the #30-35 prospects next year who would love a quick track to the bigs for a discounted price?

Posted by: RickFelt | July 14, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

No communication between Nats/our first pick? I'm shocked, SHOCKED!

Enough of all the "good news" about the Nats for this week. Here's hoping Ryan has a good night tonight!

Posted by: Section416akatheAlps | July 14, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

We're screwed.

Posted by: Section505203 | July 14, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

BTW Aaron Crow still not signed over a year later.

Posted by: CBinDC | July 14, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Seriously? You all think that the Nats are just going to pick up the phone and talk to SS directly? Are you that naive?

The Nats have been in contact with Boras. That's how it's handled. And I can guarantee that Boras is not going directly to SS with every conversation/contract the Nats have/will offer. Boras has done this before and will do this again.

Relax. Chill. Drink. Repeat.

Posted by: erocks33 | July 14, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday, I heard Boswell blame Manny for two runners being thrown out at the plate in Houston (both of whom, Nick and Willie (?)) were sent by Listach, not Manny's 3rd base coach, but one imposed on him. He also blamed Manny for the Comic Balk, which no one had ever seen in their lives, and was committed by a pitcher coached by Steve McCatty. He even blamed Manny for the "lack of situational hitting" which is the province of another non-Manny hire - Rick "You have no integrity!" Eckstein. Boz cited the team's failure to score twice with the bases loaded on Sunday. Who did that? FotF "All-Star Zimm," who took fat strikes and popped up a pitch a foot inside with the bases loaded, and Alberto Gonzalez, whom the powers that be told Manny to play more. Keep shilling for the Landover Mallrats, Boz. See 506's earlier post. Strasburg had trouble with control in his own (weak) collegiate division, and with the Mighty Wahoos. He is not likely to make it to MLB.

Posted by: flynnie2 | July 14, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

The Nats let Aaron Crow go in 2008 because of a $500,000 difference! Crow was undefeated at 13-0 in a major conference, and was the College Pitcher of the Year. Here is what mlb.com said about Crow: "...showing three plus pitches to dominate hitters and establish himself as one of the top college arms, if not the top college arm, in the Draft class."

Some NJ posters said "so what, we can get 9A next year." So the Nats got Storen who signed for peanuts. Here's a typical analysis about Storen: "he wasn’t deserving of a top ten slot, but the Strasburg signability factor comes into play here." Storen's college ERA was 3.80.

Some posters say "so what, the Nats have a surplus of pitchers," and cite such guys as Detwiler and Stammen in addition to Lannen and Zimmermann. But there's no way the Nats can be declared to have a surplus!

On SS, it has occurred to me that the Lerners simply don't care what the little fan base thinks of them. They will not be scared into doing anything. If they don't like the SS price, they will walk just like last year, and send Kasten out there to mumble inanities. Then the Nats will have 1A in 2010 with a "Harper signability factor" requiring a lowball selection.

Posted by: EdDC | July 14, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

EdDC Drew Storen has improved significantly since he joined Hagerstown. Now, they since have promoted Georgia Bulldog's starting ace Trevor Holder to A Hagerstown.

But, yeah, it would be nice to have Crow. However, former high picks Detwiler, Marerro, and Balester continue to develop. While a pretty low pick, perhaps the next Jason Bay, is showing in Derrick Norris.

They do have position players ... not a surplus but they do have them. What they are missing is power potential. They have some of that in draft picks like Seth Bynum, Derrick Norris, Lowrance, Daniel, and Marerro. Is it enough? Maybe not?

And they do not have a surplus of relief pitching ... surely that needs to be developed. In fact they are probably worst off there than at any other position with the debacle that saw hopefuls Hanrahan, O'Connor traded, Hinckely cut and Garret Mock converted back to starting.

But you know, given how hungry the guy appears to be, drafting Storen, a college reliever, may turn out to be a good move. He may be the diamond in the rough, maybe he will be 2009's answer to 2003's Chad Cordero.


But they do app

Posted by: periculum | July 14, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

flynnie2 - did you talk to Bos personally yesterday, because I didn't see where Bos blamed Acta for runners getting thrown out at he plate.

In his article (yesterday online), in the mornings fishwrap, I saw where he blamed Manny for bad fundamentals on the bases.

Is that what you mean?

Posted by: comish4lif | July 14, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

"RHP Osvaldo Rodriguez has been promoted from Hagerstown to Potomac. The 25-year old Rodriguez was 2-3 with 10 saves for the Suns in 2009. Over 35 1/3IP, he had a 3.06ERA and 1.30WHIP with 47 strikeouts and 13 walks. I assume he is going to take a spot in the Potomac bullpen."

It does appear as if Rizzo is doing everything in his power to improve the relief pitching situation.

Posted by: periculum | July 14, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I can't even deliver a good punchline today.
Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 14, 2009 4:48 PM
++++++++++++++
1a must go.

Posted by: Scooter_ | July 14, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

One of the blogguhs thinks the new manager should jave been Stearn from Potomac:

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The Washington Nationals officially fired manager Manny Acta Monday. Quickly named as his interim replacement was veteran (but mostly unsuccessful) major league manager Jim Riggleman, who had been serving as Acta's bench coach. By hiring Riggleman, who owns a career record of 522-652 and boasts just two winning seasons in nine tries, the Nationals failed to give an opportunity to one of their player development guys, somebody like Harrisburg Senators manager John Stearns, Potomac Nationals manager Trent Jewett or former Potomac skipper and current Nationals bullpen coach Randy Knorr.

All three are plenty familiar with the Nationals' young major league roster, which until recently featured four rookie starting pitchers. Washington awful first half (26-61 entering Tuesday's all-star game) prompted action. With no chance to make a playoff run this year, the Nationals should have looked elsewhere, perhaps giving an unproven guy a chance to prove himself. But promoting Riggleman is just more of the same from one of the lowliest franchise in Major League Baseball.

Their few but passionate fans are sick of these maneuvers. Included in this group is Brian Oliver, who runs Nationals Farm Authority, a premier blog dedicated to player development within Washington's organization. "The No. 1 guy I would have considered is John Stearns," Oliver said. "It's mainly because he's a solid tactician as a manager but, at the same time, an honest appraiser of all situations. Of all the [Nationals minor league managers] I've talked to, he's the only one who didn't give me the Crash Davis quotes. He's the one guy who was honest. He wasn't mean, but he gave constructive criticism."

Oliver added that he would have been equally happy with Knorr or Jewett over Riggleman. Because of Riggleman's promotion, his vacated bench coach spot was briefly available. Stearns said after Monday's Senators game that he was very interested in that job as well, but it was later learned it was filled by 68-year-old Pat Corrales, who held the same position as recently as last year. The Nationals keep recycling, but will the environment actually improve?

Posted by: periculum | July 14, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, EdDC is right in his post about the Lerners. They don't care what the fans think since this is strictly an investment to them like an office building or mall. It's obvious they have no real interest in building a 1st class organization or want to be accountable for what goes wrong. Kasten is nothing but a frontman and mouthpiece for the owners.

I used to think that the O's under Angelos were the worse run team in baseball. They've not been surpassed by the Nats under the Lerners. The goodwill of 2005 and 2006 as all but gone and the stadium is usually empty unless a good team like the Red Sox, Cubs, or Mets are in town.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 14, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Periculum, I like what I've seen from Storen (21K and 0 BB) so far, but will he end up better than Crow? Let's hope so.

As far as UGA's "ace" Holder - have you seen his numbers - he wasn't the best starter on his team in Georgia (even though I think we actually drafted that guy later).

As far as position players, who doesn't like Norris (3rd rounder, I think). Marrero is getting more consistency. Other than that though, it looks like Desmond is about the only other one that could contribute any time soon.

Posted by: goexpos2 | July 14, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Got to figure Rizzo has his eye on this:

"Storen has now made nine appearances (12 2/3IP) striking out 21 and not walking a batter."

Posted by: periculum | July 14, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Seriously? You all think that the Nats are just going to pick up the phone and talk to SS directly? Are you that naive?

The Nats have been in contact with Boras. That's how it's handled. And I can guarantee that Boras is not going directly to SS with every conversation/contract the Nats have/will offer. Boras has done this before and will do this again.

Relax. Chill. Drink. Repeat.

Posted by: erocks33 | July 14, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

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AMEN! Come on folks - they're simply not going to negotiate this in the public eye. They (both sides) will lie, temporize, parse words and do whatever else they have to not to discuss this publicly until the end. That's the only way it gets done. The fact that Boras is NOT out yammering about the lack of contact and/or an "insulting" offer is the only confirmation I need. I say, at least on this one, that so far the woeful Nats are doing this right.

PS - Storen now has 0 walks and 21 Ks in just under 13 innings at Hagerstown... Crowe is still doing what? Oh yeah, going on 2 years not pitching in a MLB organization...

Posted by: cdstej | July 14, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Guess I typed too slow - now my PS looks redundant!

Posted by: cdstej | July 14, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

In any case its clear that the next wave of relievers / potential closers / "hold"ers are on their way.

Rizzo needs to look at the fielding without sacrificing offense problem.

Posted by: periculum | July 14, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Heyyyy... ;-)

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1a must go.

Posted by: Scooter_ | July 14, 2009 5:51 PM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 14, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Please don't go wild over Trevor Holder just yet. He earned his promotion to Hagerstown with a 5.06 ERA and a WHIP of 2.25. Plus, read this draft analysis of the under-slot choice of Holder: "This was a shocking pick. Holder was a senior starter for the Bulldogs, but was hit hard...Most predicted him to go in the 7th-10th round range, so this was surprising. He signed for under slot, though, so I give them props for that. However, this was altogether puzzling, as Holder seems to have middle reliever written all over him."
http://mlbbonusbaby.com/2009/07/07/draft-review-washington-nationals/

I'll grant you that Storen is doing pretty well so far at Hagerstown, with a close-to-team=average 4.26 ERA. Still I say, go for the best player, not an under-slot guy like Holder or Storen you hope to get lucky with.

Posted by: EdDC | July 14, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I like it. Save it all to the end.


Who is to say that any important part of the negotiations with Strasburg is going to get done on any day before the final day.

Boras knows what he's going to be doing that day, Strasburg, too; same for Kasten, Rizzo, and everybody else. You and I know that we'll be reading Nationals Journal waiting for Chico Harlan to post us some tidbits.

Why wouldn't it benefit the Nationals to just wait until the last day and then everyone sit down together over a nice dinner and talk it through. No option for "let me sleep on it" or "let me see what my client says and get back to you." The answers come now. Before dessert.

Boras is either going to achieve his goal of changing the relationships of baseball players and teams (for the worse, in my opinion) or he isn't. Strasburg is going to get the opportunity to be a major leaguer or he's going to be a pawn in the Boras game. The Lerner group has set some guidelines and sent their representatives in to do whatever it takes, within those guidelines. That's what is going to happen, bet on it.

Why do it over a period of months, and all in the press?

Personally I think Boras is going to be a classy guy (in the NJ sense of "class" here) and advise his kid to hold firm to numbers he probably doesn't even really comprehend. The Lerners are going to go in prepared to splash out but only proportionally, not on the scale that Boras wants. The deal is going to fall through, Boras is going to try to paint the Nationals as cheap and shortsighted. The Nationals are going to paint Boras as greedy and a detriment to the game. And Strasburg, for his part, is going to say he is "disappointed".

The kid will go to Japan and pitch for a year but since the coaches know he's not there long term, do nothing to prevent him from developing poor, injury-prone habits. He throws his arm out and ends the season prematurely.

He never plays baseball again, but that's okay because he finds love and a fascinating culture in Japan where he makes a career as a sideline sportscaster. He is initially popular because the players can't understand the interview questions and he makes social gaffes, but as his Japanese improves he is widely respected for the baseball-sense in his questions.

...it seems to me you guys are just gripey because it is the all-star break and there is no other Nationals news to discuss. jeez.

Posted by: ihatewalks | July 14, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Ugh. I'm just not looking forward to all the point counter point on the Strasburg negotiations. I just want to wake up on August 18 and see if it got done or not.

Does anyone else think that perhaps we won't see quite as much of Boras negotiating this thing in the media?If he were negotiating with Boston, NYY, NYM, LA, etc sure this thing would be headline news every night. But let's face it, these are the Nats. The second SS was drafted by DC he became "less" of a story to the national media.

Posted by: RicketyCricket | July 14, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Careful 1a - once you are under the NJ microscope every word will be scrutinized. Which reminds me, weren't you saying that Kearns should be playing more . . .
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Posted by: Scooter_ | July 14, 2009 5:51 PM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 14, 2009 6:01 PM

Posted by: lowcountry | July 14, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

"Relax. Chill. Drink. Repeat."
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@erock: I think I'll stick to the third item and forget about the rest.... :-)

Posted by: Juan-John | July 14, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Storen, with a 4.26 ERA at Hagerstown, has the 7th best ERA on the team for pitchers who have pitched as many innings as he has. He could be a winner, but let's give him a little more time before he is to be considered the new Chad Cordero.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/team.cgi?id=41368

As to the statement that Crow has not played in an MLB org in "going on two years"? Well, it's not two years, but I'll say this: if the Nats had signed him last summer, the poster would not be able to make that assertion. Crow would probably be about ready to jump up to the parent club along about now. It just takes pulling out the checkbook and saying, "Now, who do I make this out to?" $4 million would not break the Lerners, believe it or not.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267400.html

Posted by: EdDC | July 14, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

The problem Crickets is that he is negotiating with NY, Boston, and LA. If the Japanese scenario comes into play, any offer that the Nats make drives up the subsequent free agent offer. If the Nats say $20 and they say no, the Nats come back at $30 and Strasburg decides he wants to play in Japan - that will be the starting price for the free agent market. NY, Boston, and LA can then start the bidding.

The good thing (I think/hope) is that in the end it will be Strasburg's decision. Boras has served his client and created a scenario were he has options. But at the end of the day, let's hope the Mama and Papa Strasburg raised a kid who can see beyond himself (like Mama and Papa Cordero did)
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Does anyone else think that perhaps we won't see quite as much of Boras negotiating this thing in the media?If he were negotiating with Boston, NYY, NYM, LA, etc sure this thing would be headline news every night.

Posted by: lowcountry | July 14, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

How about Storen not be the new Chad Cordero. How about he be the new Fingers.

Posted by: Section506 | July 14, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

no matter how much bafflegab bud 'invertebrate' selig puts out about the worthiness of the lerners as owners, they still have to bludgeon or seduce boras into getting his client to sign with the nats. otherwise, no matter how devoted they say they are to the franchise, they aren't competent. as the great boz has written, they flunked on signing crow, so they can't flunk two years in a row. or else they will become a laughingstock, diminishing their capacity to make deals...

Posted by: natty-bumppo | July 14, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

They say some terrible things about Boras, but they never say that he makes his clients do what they don't want to do.

Posted by: Section506 | July 14, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Andrew Weaver, who is a junior at UGA did not sign. Probably will play next year and see if he can end up getting selected higher up. I suspect he will likely again end up with the Nats in a higher slot. They seem to be all over UGA.

Posted by: periculum | July 14, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

EdDC,

Storen is moving fast. He threw a couple of gopher balls okay? But he is THROWING smoking STRIKES! NOT BALLS. STRIKES, not base-on-balls.

In this organization, if done consistently, its enough to jump to AAA before the August moon.

Posted by: periculum | July 14, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

periculum,

Storen has pitched 12.2 innings in low A ball. That's it: 12.2. It is not clear yet that he is better than the guy he replaced in the draft, Aaron Crow. Let's give him a season anyway to prove his value, OK?

BTW, if you count all pitchers in Hagerstown who have pitched 10 innings or more, Storen holds the 9th best ERA on the Hagerstown team. But my data is as meaningless as your data, because Storen is just starting to play professionally.

My only point is that you should draft and sign the best players available, assuming there's a decent chance the player will sign. And there was a decent chance to sign Crow in 2008.

Of course some lower-regarded player could turn out better than the well-regarded one. That is what usually happens (although you never know which player will jump up ahead of the highly regarded one). But if you play the odds and go for the best, you will eventually have a good team. If you draft to save money, your balance sheet will applaud you and make you warm in the winter. So it's 50-50 as to the better approach to the draft. Depends what your priorities are.

Posted by: EdDC | July 14, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

flynnie2 - did you talk to Bos personally yesterday, because I didn't see where Bos blamed Acta for runners getting thrown out at he plate.

In his article (yesterday online), in the mornings fishwrap, I saw where he blamed Manny for bad fundamentals on the bases.

Is that what you mean?

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Hi, comish - Boz did his blaming that I referred to in an interview with Kevin Sheehan on WTEM at around 1:45 pm or so. It was a sorry moment for a guy I really admire.

Posted by: flynnie2 | July 14, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

D'oh! Thanks a lot, lowcountry. :-D

In other news, I was watching some of the All-Star Game batting practice on MLB Network. Kinda fun seeing the players interacting and their kids running around on the field. I hadn't realized that Sheryl Crow is a big baseball fan. She's from St. Louis, lived across the street from Whitey Herzog, and got to be friends with lots of the players. She also mentioned the St. Louis/Kansas City World Series (maybe Tracee has happy memories of that one).

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Careful 1a - once you are under the NJ microscope every word will be scrutinized. Which reminds me, weren't you saying that Kearns should be playing more . . .
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Heyyyy... ;-)

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Posted by: Scooter_ | July 14, 2009 5:51 PM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 14, 2009 6:01 PM

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Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 14, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Gotta go watch the All-Star game at a sports bar with a brother from out of town. I hope the game is entertaining for us all, and I will drink to Manny and to all of you, particularly 1a, scooter and lowcountry, who class up the joint, and to RickFelt and Brue, who, despite RickFelt's request, are still in my prayers.

Posted by: flynnie2 | July 14, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Just for the record, I'm sure the Nats would have been happy to speak with young Mr. Strasburg if he had agreed (or, more accurately, his chosen representative has allowed his to agree) to appear at the team's press conference announcing his selection.

Maybe Drew Storen was a signability pick, but I like that he came to town, came to terms, and went to work. He may not have #1 overall talent, but it says here he'll get his first major league IP before Strasburg does. [Smart kids, those Stanford students.]

Boz: C'mon - you should know better.

Posted by: diogenes_quixote | July 14, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Boswell wrote:

Strasburg seemed a bit perplexed by the lack of communication since the signing deadline is Aug. 17 and many other Nats draft picks are already under contract.
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What would you expect from a bunch of DYSFUNCTIONAL NOTS suits who have been a TOTAL FAILURE while running this franchise into the brown murky waters of a NOTStown toilet............... Be prepared for them to clusterxxxx this on 2 fronts.....1. They will pizz the player off who probably is not having wet dreams thinking about playing for the WORST team in MLB....... 2. They make an INSULTING OFFER to Boras and piss both of them off that they will tell them to "DROP DEAD and keep losing 100 games a year....you LOSERS !!!!!!"

Posted by: unc1dmo | July 14, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Stay classy, friend.

Posted by: diogenes_quixote | July 14, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Ugh. I'm just not looking forward to all the point counter point on the Strasburg negotiations. I just want to wake up on August 18 and see if it got done or not.

Posted by: RicketyCricket

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AY-men!!

Posted by: NatsNut | July 14, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Preach it, RicketyCricket.

Posted by: diogenes_quixote | July 14, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

EdDC,

I could be wrong but you may have missed something? I said he is throwing STRIKES. Given the number of walks you have seen Nats relief pitching serve up including walks with bases loaded ... at this point one wonders why you aren't looking at a better indicator than ERA:

WHIP: walks + hits per inning pitched.

On Hagerstown's pitching staff the #1 pitcher currently *IS* Drew Storen with 0.87. MHassan Pena is second and Matt Chico, *the veteran*, is third with a 1.00 in 11 innings.

Let's compare Chico to Storen shall we?

Chico has 8 strike outs, 1 HB, 2 HR, 3 walks and 11 hits.

Storen has 21 strike outs, 2 HB, 0 walks, and 11 hits.

Who looks better?

Posted by: periculum | July 14, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Bottom Line: If Storen was Rizzo's pick, so far he looks like he knows what he is doing, and has a painful understanding as to what this franchise needs.

Posted by: periculum | July 14, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

No need to panic.

None of Boras' top clients have signed as of yet. Most if not all won't sign until the last couple of days.

The Nas have been in contact with Boras, and probably at Boras' request that they do not contact his client directly.

The only bit of concern is that the Nats based on last year do have a poor track record. My impression is that Stan is one to butt heads and Boras is probably the wrong one to butt heads with.

It could get very hairy down to the wire because Boras knows it would be a PR nightmare for the Nats if they dont sign their #1 pick 2 years in a row. Whatever they may have saved with Crow will be lost big time here.

Posted by: DCsportfan3433 | July 14, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

"She's from St. Louis, lived across the street from Whitey Herzog, and got to be friends with lots of the players."

A-HEM. Sheryl Crow is from Kennett, Missouri. You can let my future in-laws know I stood up for half of the claim to fame that the Bootheel has.

Pop-quiz, anyone know the other famous person from the Bootheel?

Posted by: Section506 | July 14, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

>Who's the #2 prospect next year? Actually that's a bad question, they'll use the 1a pick on someone way under slot to save money for Harper, who they also won't end up signing. A better question would be who are the #30-35 prospects next year who would love a quick track to the bigs for a discounted price?

Posted by: RickFelt

This organization has low self-esteem. They're like the nerdy guy who's afraid to call the chick they have a crush on, who knows it and is waiting for their call.

Stan says your time is gonna come -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrSHrAy5GR8

Posted by: Brue | July 14, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

"Pop-quiz, anyone know the other famous person from the Bootheel?"

Don't leave me hanging ... who?

Posted by: diogenes_quixote | July 14, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

periculum,

I see you are a big Storen fan. To that I say great! My only real comment is that Storen has thrown just 12.2 innings. Give him some time. I hope you are right.

Do you know a guy named "Ron Villone"? After 12 innings, he was charted as throwing strikes too. Excuse me, I meant to say STRIKES. He had probably a 0.00 ERA after his first 12 innings. I do not think you will be seeing "Ron Villone" in St. Louis tonight.

Posted by: EdDC | July 14, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Would that be Buster Brown?

Posted by: CBinDC | July 14, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

What the hell was the update?

Posted by: theredskin | July 14, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

I hadn't realized that Sheryl Crow is a big baseball fan.
Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 14, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse
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natsfin1a is clueless about the baseball fandom of popular singers (that's what Crow is, right?). Has she ever even seen a baseball fan in her life? And she doesn't know that Crow is from the Footheels of Missouri, so she stinks at geography too. Heck, I heard that 1a went to an autograph session at a record store, and she couldn't even get Crow to sign.

This is beyond pathetic. 1a must go NOW.

Posted by: Scooter_ | July 14, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Oh, theredskin: I had to hunt for the update too. It was this paragraph dropped in the middle: "While the Nationals have not spoken directly to Strasburg, acting general manager Mike Rizzo has been in frequent contact for weeks with Strasburg's agent, Scott Boras, according to Nationals President Stan Kasten."

Posted by: Scooter_ | July 14, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

"Do you know a guy named "Ron Villone"? After 12 innings, he was charted as throwing strikes too. Excuse me, I meant to say STRIKES."

EdDC,

Did he throw 21 strikeouts in less than 13 innings? Comprehending what that means: no balls hit on the ground, none in the air, no chance for any miscues by the fielders.

In OTHER WORDS: CLOSER.

No one else is doing that right now down in the minors. Especially not in a relief capacity ... if they were I think you may have seen them in a Nats uniform by now.


Posted by: periculum | July 14, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Crow used to date Lance Armstrong ... kind of like Jessica and Tony ... does that mean she is a bike fan?

Posted by: periculum | July 14, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I just watched her sing the National Anthem. The Lerner's are cheap! I can't believe we didn't sign her last year.
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natsfin1a is clueless about the baseball fandom of popular singers (that's what Crow is, right?). Has she ever even seen a baseball fan in her life? And she doesn't know that Crow is from the Footheels of Missouri, so she stinks at geography too. Heck, I heard that 1a went to an autograph session at a record store, and she couldn't even get Crow to sign.

This is beyond pathetic. 1a must go NOW.

Posted by: Scooter_ | July 14, 2009 8:44 PM

Posted by: lowcountry | July 14, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Need to read earlier posts, but felt the need to post a "first-blush" interpretation on this.

Of course Strasburg is coming forward as the naive, "I haven't heard a word" kid in all this - he has Boras as an agent. It's part & parcel of the way his "representative" works.

The Dark Lord incarnate (henceforth referred to as "the DLi") has recieved an offer from the Nationals - it's required under the bargaining agreement for 1st-year draftees. He just hasn't bothered to share it with his client, as he considers it to be well below his percieved value for this particular soul.

At some point over the next 30 days, the DLi will make a counter-offer to the Nationals (possibly leaking it to the press), and request that negotiations directly involve the team owners, and exclude either the team President, the acting GM, or both of them, as "we are at an impass in negotiations".

That should bring us to the 2nd week of August in the Strausburg negotiations - It will most likely finish with a signed deal, but at what cost to both sides?

Posted by: BinM | July 14, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Why in the world did these guys buy a baseball team??? TO MAKE $$$$???????????Bunch of losers!!!! I Hope this team folds along with MLB....SEE YA

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | July 14, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

"Boz did his blaming that I referred to in an interview with Kevin Sheehan on WTEM at around 1:45 pm or so. It was a sorry moment for a guy I really admire."

Sheehan goes way out of his way to explain why nobody (i.e. he) is not into baseball, so he talks more about Redskins and hockey in the middle of the baseball season. Baseball is a bit beyond him.

Posted by: P522 | July 14, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Tim McCarver is such an idiot. Victorino isn't the first position player out of Hawaii in the majors...Lenn Sakata was born in Honolulu and he broke into the majors more than 30 years ago.

Fox Sports is awful.

Posted by: combedge | July 14, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

"Part & parcel." I love it. More. Please, more.

Posted by: thoward1223 | July 14, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

The headline of this post is such a non-story, whoever made it the headline needs to get some rest. Probably overwork from yesterday. Strasberg does seem like the ultimate naif, the pleasantly ignorant jock who hit the lottery. I'm not sure any of his interviews will ever merit blog headline material.

So how about a history of the Golden Spikes winners? Any HOF candidates? Busts? This adds a new wrinkle on the #1 draft history analysis.

Posted by: paulkp | July 14, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Why in the world did these guys buy a baseball team??? TO MAKE $$$$???????????Bunch of losers!!!! I Hope this team folds along with MLB....SEE YA

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan

Why so hostile ? Does this threaten you?
Is it like some bad dream you had?

I know it so hard to be loved.

Posted by: CBinDC | July 14, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I said it in a blog last week Boz is azz kissing up to the Lerners and has been since they bought the team, but as we all know the truth will come out about this team,its farm system, and its choice for a manager if it hasn't all ready.

Posted by: dargregmag | July 14, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't think he has been azz kissing ....he just has not been set on negative default in his writing about the team and the owners. But he has been quick to try and warn them that their path is dangerous.

Posted by: CBinDC | July 14, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how pathetic some of the drones that respond on this thread are!! Just sitting around waiting to bash the Nats at any turn.
Shame on Bozwell for writing this trash when his experience, at least what he claims, should have produced a much more level style of reporting!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | July 14, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Re: Strasburg / DLi negotiations with the Nationals - When it all comes out, I wouldn't be suprised to hear that the initial offer from the Nats is for between $12-15M bonus money, with a 5-year (no 40-man roster) deal. The DLi will sit on it for a month, then reveal it to his client & counter with a $35M, 4-yr (40-man, FA clock running) deal around the 1st week of August, with a request to negotiate directly with the Lerners (Kasten & Rizzo are not pure; The DLi needs to acquire untouched, "pure" souls in order to make his bones, and has previous access from the Texiera negotiation).
The Nationals FO will ultimately settle (& sign) Strasburg for somewhere between $18-25M in bonus money, with a 4-year fully-guaranteed contract, with splits (added to the ML 40-man no later than 1 August, 2011), on the 16th-17th of August, 2009. Ted Lerner's soul could be part of this deal, based on player progression through the system.

Just my opinion, but don't be suprised if it plays out close to this scenario.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Posted by: BinM | July 14, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

What they said.

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Ugh. I'm just not looking forward to all the point counter point on the Strasburg negotiations. I just want to wake up on August 18 and see if it got done or not.

Posted by: RicketyCricket

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AY-men!!

Posted by: NatsNut | July 14, 2009 7:26 PM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 15, 2009 6:26 AM | Report abuse

O-kay, so I did not know her birthplace. She "lived" in St. Louis. All better now?

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"She's from St. Louis, lived across the street from Whitey Herzog, and got to be friends with lots of the players."

A-HEM. Sheryl Crow is from Kennett, Missouri. You can let my future in-laws know I stood up for half of the claim to fame that the Bootheel has.

Pop-quiz, anyone know the other famous person from the Bootheel?

Posted by: Section506 | July 14, 2009 7:40 PM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 15, 2009 6:30 AM | Report abuse

I should say that she "lived" in the St. Louis area, in case I'm wrong on the specific locale. At any rate, it was an interesting anecdote, I thought. Never mind.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 15, 2009 6:38 AM | Report abuse

Don't encourage them, Scooter. ;-)

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I hadn't realized that Sheryl Crow is a big baseball fan.
Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 14, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse
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natsfin1a is clueless about the baseball fandom of popular singers (that's what Crow is, right?). Has she ever even seen a baseball fan in her life? And she doesn't know that Crow is from the Footheels of Missouri, so she stinks at geography too. Heck, I heard that 1a went to an autograph session at a record store, and she couldn't even get Crow to sign.

This is beyond pathetic. 1a must go NOW.

Posted by: Scooter_ | July 14, 2009 8:44 PM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 15, 2009 6:39 AM | Report abuse

I can see both sides of everyone's arguments. The problem I have is that the Nats ownership has not shown they deserve the benefit of the doubt they are not going to screw this up. Boras might think he has a lot of leverage in this negotiation, but you rarely do when the other side really doesn't seem to care if a deal gets done unless it is cheap.

Posted by: BT23 | July 15, 2009 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Oops Boz you forgot an relevant and key detail to this story, but I guess that is what we should expect from you. Boras does not allow direct contract from the team to his players and has said so several times regarding SS. This is to be expected. Last year the Pirates did not get to talk to their pick for the 1st time until 30 minutes before deadline.

Posted by: JLR75 | July 15, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

It is no way that you give Strasburg anywhere near 50 million dollars. That would be the dumbest thing you could do. You can set a new mark for first overall picks if you want, but you do not trash the old mark.

I don't care what Boras says or the media. It is too easy for the kid to have arm problems and there goes your money down the drain.......

Posted by: punchdaclock | July 15, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I can see both sides of everyone's arguments. The problem I have is that the Nats ownership has not shown they deserve the benefit of the doubt they are not going to screw this up. Boras might think he has a lot of leverage in this negotiation, but you rarely do when the other side really doesn't seem to care if a deal gets done unless it is cheap.

Posted by: BT23 | July 15, 2009 7:56 AM | Report abuse
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WRONG!! The Nats have routinely gone outside of the "slot" money to sign their draft picks!! FACT!! You can't pin Crow's unrealistic demands on the Nationals!! The Nats did the right thing in letting him go and getting a compensatory pick back!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | July 15, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

>and to RickFelt and Brue, who, despite RickFelt's request, are still in my prayers.

Posted by: flynnie2

Can't make everybody happy. All the prayin in the world ain't gonna bring Jesus back. You may wanna pray not to be glib and condescending.

Oh and Manny's gone. Quit taking up for the dead horse. Boswell simply held his tongue until it got stoopid. And keeping that barely lucid troll on the bench for almost 90 games was hall of fame stooooo-piddddd

Posted by: Brue | July 15, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Why is Boz messing with us? The headline to this piece runs against the fact that Rizzo has been in touch with the kid's agents a bunch and Boras will not allow them to call the kid directly anyway. The Nats have no relationship with this kid at all until they ink him. Pretty annoying stuff from a guy who should know better.

Posted by: dfh21 | July 15, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

If we go for CA Bryce Harper next year as a #1 pick, what do we do with our amazing inventory of classy young catchers? Norris, Rooney, Flores, who will be traded?

Posted by: clarquito | July 16, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

New GM Rizzo is paying for the blunders of ex-GM Bowden, one of the least competent GM's in the game. Give him a chance. We all know this year is written off. One year at a time. Failing to sign Aaron Crow in 2008 may not have been so bad because the #10 compensation pick the Nats got is doing just great. But there's a big difference between losing Crow and not signing Strasburg. The Nats knew what they'd be up against with Scott Borass as his agent. UNC's Dustin Ackley might not have been a bad choice for the #1 pick either but he's also represented by SB. The bottom line is that the Nats need to sign Strasburg at all costs. They are by far the worst team in MLB, lack a solid fan base and DC is not a good baseball city. I moved there in 1971 when the Senators split for Texas and not many people lost any sleep over their departure. Mr. Rizzo, Stephen Strasburg is your hope for now. Don't even think about Bryce Harper. For all we know, he might be overhyped and not your #1 for next year (yes, the Nats will have that pick too).

Posted by: recordguy2000 | July 19, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

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