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Dukes Won't Be Around To Run

Back in the good old days, when they were only 10 games under .500 (7-17), the Nationals began a game that never finished. Because of rain, the May 5 game at Nationals Park against the Astros was suspended in the 11th inning, the score tied at 10.

Well, that game has been tied for almost two months now.

I mention this only because today the Astros released some information about the details of that game's resolution. All along, the teams, in partnership with Major League Baseball, had resolved to finish that game before the July 9 8:05 p.m. (EST) contest at Minute Maid Park. But here are the details...

* The suspended game will resume at 7:05 p.m. (EST)

* The regularly scheduled 8:05 p.m. game will start at 8:05 p.m., unless the suspended game ends after 7:45 p.m. If the suspended game ends after 7:45 p.m., there will be a 20-minute break between games.

* The game will resume in the bottom of the 11th inning, with the Nats batting with one out and a runner on first base. Astros RHP LaTroy Hawkins was the pitcher on the mound, and he is allowed to continue his outing if the Astros see fit. Elijah Dukes, though, was the runner on first. Dukes was demoted yesterday to Class AAA Syracuse, so the Nats can replace Dukes with a pinch-runner. (Anybody voting for Nyjer Morgan?)

By Chico Harlan  |  July 2, 2009; 6:05 PM ET
 
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Comments

Why wouldn't Hawkins be allowed to continue his outing?

What about the other of players in the line-ups as well as the bench players? How does that work? Does all the Nats' recent roster moves make them have more subs than they would have had otherwise, or are they only allowed the same number of subs as they had when the rains came.

This is a tied game. We might be there for a while.

Posted by: paulkp | July 2, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

And could someone answer my (new posted) question in the previous thread about how one tweets. Or do I just go to the site Jon cited. I have a Blackberry.

Posted by: paulkp | July 2, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

and if we can get the phantom-Dukes to score, then Hanrahan is in line for the win.

Only in baseball . . . you've gotta love it!

Posted by: lowcountry | July 2, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

it would be just too ironic if the gaS can man could do something in absentia that he couldn't do in person - win a game for the nats this year!

Posted by: surly_w | July 2, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

paul, looks to me like first you go to twitter.com and register an account. then you think of clever things to say in under 140 characters and post them.

Posted by: NatsNut | July 2, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

new posted....darn it.

With the steep number of cuts of news gathering personnel by newspapers throughout the country many publications are having bloggers and Twits (Tweeterer is too much of a mouthful) provide free content.

Posted by: leetee1955 | July 2, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leetee1955 | July 2, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how to tweet
Posted by: ramgut | July 2, 2009 4:03 PM
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Easy, ramgut. Just put your lips together and blow.

Posted by: Scooter_ | July 2, 2009 6:40 PM |
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that, or lean to the side, lift a cheek, bear down and let it rip.

Posted by: NatsNut | July 2, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

All right then, let's all go to twitter.com!!!

Posted by: paulkp | July 2, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Back to the topic at hand--Dukes on first will need a pinch runner. Okay, that's straight forward. But don't use Morgan, because we might need him to pinch hit for Hanrahan, whose spot is coming up right after Willingham (if I remember correctly). Can we now use Clippard to pitch? I believe we have used up our bench and possible our bullpen. Could be wrong on the second part.

Posted by: LurkerNowPoster | July 2, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Instead let Rizzo/Acta put their money where there mouth is. Reward AAA IL all stars JD Martin, Jorge Padilla, and all start starter Seth Bynum by letting them play.

Posted by: periculum | July 2, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

The TTSNBM played a similar game against the White Sox last season, because a tied game was called for rain. The game resumed in Baltimore, although the White Sox remained the home team for that game only. Basically, anyone on the team who was previously in the game but taken out cannot re-enter the game, but any player that has been acquired since is eligible because they were not previously in the game.

Posted by: Traveler8 | July 2, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

We have a ton of pitchers available (not including starters): Beimel, Burnett, Clippard, Colome, MacDougal, Villone.

Finally, a benefit resulting from the "put 'em all in one place and blow 'em the hell up" theory of bullpen roster management.

Also available: Bard, Gonzalez, Morgan.

But really, only Gonzalez, since Morgan has to go in for Dukes, and Bard has to go in for Flores (who went in for Nieves).

Posted by: joebleux | July 2, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

This is dumb. Just give the Astros the win. In fact, from this point on, any team that is ahead, tied or less than 3 runs down after 7 innings against the Nats should just be given an automatic win.

Posted by: AlexVa1 | July 2, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be wonderful if the Nats sacrificed much of their future by skimping on the draft and not signing international kids, not trading for guys who make decent salaries, etc., just to save money to sign Strasburg? And then Strasburg goes off to play in Japan?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/02/AR2009070201804.html

Of course the larger question is why the Nats are sacrificing a lot of their future in the first place. One thing we learn in life is that money is more fun when it is spent. That's why you go to the trouble of getting it.

Posted by: EdDC | July 2, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I guess that means Dukes can't be picked off at second, or thrown out stealing third, eh?

Posted by: jdschulz50 | July 2, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

EdDC: The Nationals are, IMHO, fully vested in signing Strasburg; the dance is just beginning on that front. Boras is posturing & looking for angles at this point.
The way I understand it, Strasburg's options would be to 1) Negotiate an "in" with the NPL (Nippon Professional League) to obtain negotiating rights, 2) bypass the NPL & sign with the Nippon Industrial League (on par with High-A leagues here), 3) sign with an Independent League team in the U.S. or 4) declare that he's going back to San Diego State for his senior year. The $$$ leverage point would be with the NPL, but from what I read, the NPL trusts Boras less than Kasten does. Odds are 55/45 that he does a deal this year with the Nationals, and that the Nationals will end up paying far more than he'll end up being worth.

The orginization is unsettled and rebuilding in the DR, to say the least - (thanks "never been down there", former GM). The team might sign a handful of prospects from Central & South America this year, but I don't think they'll be big names.

Posted by: BinM | July 2, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

CHarlan: Why are you bringing up a discussion regarding a game that will be played out a week from now? Is it that slow on the beat, or are you just slacking off?

Posted by: BinM | July 2, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

This is a goofball franchise managed by the Three Stooges(Manny,Stan & Mike).We make a long tenured pitching coach(St.Claire) the fall guy for the manager's ineptitude, who by all that's fair should have been fired after the 08 season, we bring him back and he procceds to usher in the worst first half of baseball i've seen in forty plus years, mind you a manager was fired in Colorado for being roughly tweleve games under .500 that change has brought about a complete turnaround of the Rockies ballclub. The Nationals are not the Rockies but my point is what do we have to lose? we compound the stupidity of keeping this buffoon around and then the "acting" GM and i use that term loosely then sends a pitcher with a winning record down to the minors along with a kid with "good" potential because they are not "finshed product's" WHAT?. I've watched and followed baseball closely for over forty years and never have i seen a more dysfunctional bunch of people in my life from the Lerners right on down to the so called field manager. The players have lost the will to win just look at the recent misplay's of one Ryan Zimmerman who seems to have lost his focus is it any wonder? with all the losing and the downright idiocy surrounding this team who can blame him. I said it a year ago the wrong ownership group was chosen for this franchise and sadly it appears i may be right.

Posted by: dargregmag | July 2, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

BinM,

I also think the Nats are fully invested in signing Strasburg. The Nats sacrificed (needlessly, I believe, since they do have sufficient resources) in other areas to free up the money. The Nats can't risk alienating what's left of their fan base. What's left of their reputation absolutely depends on this signing.

Of course, I felt exactly the same about Crow last year. I was sure he would be signed, and was surprised that a mere $500K difference would spell the difference. The Lerners cannot be underestimated. Boras must know he has a formidable opponent.

Posted by: EdDC | July 2, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Join the club, dargregmag. In many ways, this is the perfect club for the District of Columbia. A dysfunctional bunch of idiots being run by a dysfunctional bunch of idiots. Anybody for Adrian Fenty for manager?

Posted by: jdschulz50 | July 2, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

To finish that 10th inning game won't take but an inning. You know our bullpen.

Posted by: HossyLady | July 2, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

"I've watched and followed baseball closely for over forty years and never have i seen a more dysfunctional bunch of people in my life from the Lerners right on down to the so called field manager. The players have lost the will to win just look at the recent misplay's of one Ryan Zimmerman who seems to have lost his focus is it any wonder? with all the losing and the downright idiocy surrounding this team who can blame him. I said it a year ago the wrong ownership group was chosen for this franchise and sadly it appears i may be right."

You must realize that one could easily change the names and in essence have described the Washington Redskins from the owner on down both last year and this year.

Welcome to DC Sports circa 2000.

Posted by: periculum | July 2, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm, mebbe they could forfeit the season? Perhaps that would best serve the Lerners.

Posted by: periculum | July 2, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

The Metro Authority has a lot of money. Mebbe they should be caretakers owners of the Nats. After all many fans must ride to games. The fun really begins going to and from games ... riding the Russian Roulet express.

Posted by: periculum | July 2, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

On a completely different subject - Selling high.

The following Nationals players are near-peak in value, and could return value (current, or near-term) as trades, without gutting the Team's core.
#1) 1B-DH - Nick Johnson,
#2) SS-DH - Christian Guzman,
#3) LF-RF - Josh Willingham, or
#3a) LF-1B - Adam Dunn.

Deal-sweeteners could include:
A) MI - Alberto Gonzalez (hinges on #2),
B) UT - Willie Harris (hinges on 3 or 3a),
C) RHSP(AAA) - JD Martin,
D) RHSP - Craig Stammen,
E) LHRP - Joe Beimel,
F) RHRP(AAA) - Jason Bergmann,
G) RF(AAA) - Jorge Padilla,
H) MI(AAA) - Seth Bynum,
I) UT(AA) - Leonard Davis,
J) LHSP(AA) - Justin Jones.

Posted by: BinM | July 2, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I'm defining the Team's "core" as:
SP - Lannan, JZimmermann, Martis;
CA - Flores;
3B - RZimmerman;
LF/1B - Dunn or Willingham;
RF - Dukes.

That's only 7 of 25 (or 40) players; the rest are either short-term answers at the major-league (25-man roster) level, or expendible at the 40-man roster level, IMO.

Posted by: BinM | July 2, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, EdDC, but I'm gonna call shenanigans. You've spent at least this calendar year expressing your dissatisfaction with the Nats' actions in the areas you cite. (Though this time, you forgot to mention sandwich picks.) It strikes me as perhaps a trifle disingenuous for you to now claim that you believe it has anything to do with this kid from San Diego.

Usually, I'm all for people finding new ways to phrase their stock arguments, but this faux naivete feels a bit ... faux.

Posted by: Scooter_ | July 2, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

definitely POD for Scooter
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I don't know how to tweet
Posted by: ramgut | July 2, 2009 4:03 PM
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Easy, ramgut. Just put your lips together and blow.
Posted by: Scooter_ | July 2, 2009 6:40 PM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 2, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Bin, RTFP.
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CHarlan: Why are you bringing up a discussion regarding a game that will be played out a week from now? Is it that slow on the beat, or are you just slacking off?
Posted by: BinM | July 2, 2009 9:38 PM
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"I mention this only because today the Astros released some information about the details of that game's resolution."

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 2, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

In fact, that should be my next brilliant marketing campaign: RTFP!

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 2, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

That's what worries me. They can, in fact, risk it--they can outright kiss it goodbye, and what's that to them? Is anyone going to take the team away from them? Make them pay for the ballpark? What's the worst that can happen to them? They can't move (for about 30 years, anyway), and they can make money on a team that loses 100 games off Phillies, Mets, and Red Sox fans alone.
What's stopping them?
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The Nats can't risk alienating what's left of their fan base. What's left of their reputation absolutely depends on this signing.
Posted by: EdDC | July 2, 2009 9:47 PM |

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 2, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

BinM,

A team could get Martin, Bynum, Padilla, Bergman, Davis, and Jones with Minor League contracts next year. Why would they want to trade for them now. They would probably offer a bag of balls.

Posted by: natsguy | July 2, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

The furniture raises a good point: the owners really can afford the risk of truly lousy ball for a while. I have two thoughts on that:

1) Maybe it's good to have owners who can stay their course through lean times, short-term pain be damned. (To the extent a PlanTM exists, I think this very notion is a part of it.) In other words: it's still a long haul.

2) I really don't think anyone buys a baseball team -- at least not in the majors, where there are so many competitors for the franchise -- with profit as the primary goal. These are really hobbyists who want their hobby, at some point, to be fun. In other words: chin up, Sec3!

At first glance, those two points contradict each other somewhat. But hey, life can't always be as simple as Ding Kearns FA, now can it?

Posted by: Scooter_ | July 3, 2009 1:19 AM | Report abuse

BinM,
I think that you have to add MacDougal to our tradable assets list. Seems like trading MacDougal this year could evolve into something comparable to trading Rauch last year. We traded Rauch for the 6th rated prospect in the Diamondbacks system in Bonifacio and kinda flipped him into Willingham and Olsen. I say kinda because we always forget that there were two minor leaguers in that deal, and I bet the fish are smarter than the Nats when it comes to dissecting minor league talent.

Which reminds me, I hope that Olsen can make two or three more good starts and get added to that tradable assets pile.

If we're serious about Strasburg and serious about "The Plan", the rotation looks like Strasburg, Zimmermann, Lannan, Detweiler, and a fifth starter out of the Stammen plus Syracuse starting 5 mix. To me, that would make Olsen tradable for some kind of defensively capable position player talent depending on his performance.

Dropping Belliard from the 40man would free us up to giving a look to one or more of these AAAAers in Syracuse who may have value, especially Martin.
"On a completely different subject - Selling high.

The following Nationals players are near-peak in value, and could return value (current, or near-term) as trades, without gutting the Team's core.
#1) 1B-DH - Nick Johnson,
#2) SS-DH - Christian Guzman,
#3) LF-RF - Josh Willingham, or
#3a) LF-1B - Adam Dunn.

Deal-sweeteners could include:
A) MI - Alberto Gonzalez (hinges on #2),
B) UT - Willie Harris (hinges on 3 or 3a),
C) RHSP(AAA) - JD Martin,
D) RHSP - Craig Stammen,
E) LHRP - Joe Beimel,
F) RHRP(AAA) - Jason Bergmann,
G) RF(AAA) - Jorge Padilla,
H) MI(AAA) - Seth Bynum,
I) UT(AA) - Leonard Davis,
J) LHSP(AA) - Justin Jones. "

Posted by: souldrummer | July 3, 2009 2:01 AM | Report abuse

BTW, I'm defining the Team's "core" as:
SP - Lannan, JZimmermann, Martis;
CA - Flores;
3B - RZimmerman;
LF/1B - Dunn or Willingham;
RF - Dukes.
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BinM,
Disagree with you about "the core" fundamentally on a couple of notes. Martis to me is not really part of the core. In my opinion, there's a competition going on right now between Martis, Balester, and Stammen, and Mock for fifth starter in 2010. They're all at about an equal footing right now and it's based on their performance in Syracuse plus September callups who will have a head start when it comes to spring training. I'm one of those guys who is down on Martis because of his periperhals, low K/BB ratio and lack of plus major league pitches.

On the other hand, Detweiler is part of the core unless he pitches his way out of it or we're blown away with a trade for him. He's young and more importantly left handed.

Don't think Dukes is part of the core either, but we'll see what happens now that it appears they're showcasing Dunn, Willingham, and Johnson for potential trades.

I'd prefer they trade Guzman to all of those guys, though. I'd like to see whether Alberto Gonzalez is capable of holding down the job for the rest of the year and whether Espinosa and Desmond are capable of progressing for '10 and '11.

Posted by: souldrummer | July 3, 2009 2:12 AM | Report abuse

My goal for the rest of the season is as modest as it's been for the last 3 years: Let's do better than '63 Nats (56-106), the worst team that I have ever followed.

Tonight got me remembering something positive: a major single-game record, held by a Washington player that has held up for 47 years. The late Tom Cheney struck out 21 O's in a 16-inning game in Sept. '62. At the time, the single-game record for a game of ANY length was 18.

Not likely to be broken any time soon, unless Dunn-like players take every at-bat.

RIP, Tom.

Posted by: nats24 | July 3, 2009 3:01 AM | Report abuse

Even if we don't sign Strasburg, he will only have 15-20 wins at the top of his game. That is if bull pens don't blow any for him and since a starter only pitches 5 or six innings these days there is a good chance of a loss. He will not pitch against us many times in a season and won't win all the games. These guys definately are not worth the money and it is no sweat if he signs elsewhere.

Posted by: Pete433 | July 3, 2009 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Good point, Pete433. Saving money is worth more than 15 to 20 wins a year. Maybe a pile of cash can start the opening game of a future World Series for our Nats.

Posted by: EdDC | July 3, 2009 7:58 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand why people can sign on here every day and write basically the same long entry about how bad the team is. Nobody has a lifetime commitment to the Nats. The O's are up the road. The world champions are within a reasonable weekend drive. For not a lot of money, you can get every single game in major league baseball on tv. If you hate it so much, why not just move on? Is there some thought that at entry number x the Lerners will sell the team in despair?

Posted by: markfromark | July 3, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

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