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Florida 5, Nats 3

When the Washington Nationals play the Florida Marlins, excruciating baseball -- the kind favored by the Nats no matter the opponent -- forms an unholy alliance with cursed baseball. And so you get losses that feel outlandish, even when you know they're coming.

This afternoon, the Nats lost again to the Marlins, 5-3. They were swept in this series, and are now 0-9 against Florida this year. Each game in this series shared something beyond the end result.

On Monday: The Nats were tied at 2 entering the bottom of the eighth. (Final score, 4-2, Florida.)

On Tuesday: The Nats led 5-1 entering the bottom of the sixth, and 5-4 entering the bottom of the seventh. (Final score, 7-5, Florida.)

Today: The Nats led 3-2 entering the bottom of the seventh, and were tied at 3 entering the bottom of the eighth. (Sigh. Final score, 5-3, Florida.)

The team's current record, 22-54, puts it on pace for a 47-115 season. Then again, if the Nats adhere to every pace they've established thusfar, they'll go 0-18 against the Marlins, lose at least one more game where they hit five home runs, "delete" at least two more of their Bowden-tabbed centerpiece players, and finish the season with roughly 25 bullpen-related roster moves.

Hey, I'm not sayin' it's impossible.

Here's a rather striking framework through which to view the Nationals' late-inning circus act.

* When the Nationals have a lead entering the sixth inning, they are 14-10. When tied entering the sixth, they are 2-11.

* When the Nationals have a lead entering the seventh, they are 18-8. When tied entering the seventh, they are 1-12.

* So, we can say this: When the Nats are leading or tied entering the sixth inning, they win 43.2-percent of the time.

* For the sake of comparison, I added up the totals of every other team in the NL East. Those four teams -- the Braves, Marlins, Phillies and Mets -- win 74.7-percent of the time in which they lead or are tied entering the sixth.

* Now the seventh: When the Nats are leading or tied entering the seventh inning, they have won only 48.7-percent of the team.

* When other NL East teams are leading or tied entering the seventh, they win 76.1-percent of the time.

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Amusing sidenote with no relevance: Amy Shipley, who's covering the team down in Miami, e-mailed to me her game story from this afternoon's loss. I received the full text in my gmail account, which meant that a few key triggerwords prompted a pillar of related advertising along the right-hand column of my screen. I received links for Nationals tickets (www.ticketcrush.com) and throwback jerseys (www.mitchellandness.com). I also received, quite fittingly, the link to a baseball hitting manual, courtesy of Coach Joe Magno, who for years has turned "countless mediocre players" into "MVP's on their Little League, young, and high school baseball or softball team(s)." And check out who happens to endorse this technique: Jim Riggleman!

By Chico Harlan  |  July 1, 2009; 5:21 PM ET
 
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Sept the Nats? Who hasn't.

Piggybacking on the last post, Rizzo is at least trying to change the tenor of the team. Whether it works or not remains to be seen.

Bowden damned this franchise for a long time. It will take more than a few moves for the Nats to extricate themselves from his legacy.

Posted by: SavedByZero | July 1, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Sept=Swept

Posted by: SavedByZero | July 1, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

If Chico is right, the 62 Mets record for futility will stand as is. Now, there is that to celebrate...I think.

Posted by: cokedispatch | July 1, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

BTW, following up on another post about Dukes, "He's one of our best hitters. He shows power and patience at the plate beyond his years."

That's the problem. He hasn't shown the same patience this year. They're eating up on pitches low and away. Until he gets back that patience, he's going to struggle.

Posted by: baltova1 | July 1, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Can we just forfeit all future games against the Marlins to save on wear and tear, air fare and the humiliation of the inevitable?

Posted by: slewis1 | July 1, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Dukes is also a career .237 hitter with an apparent attitude problem. The minor leagues are the correct place for him to work this stuff out.

I've always thought that if he ever figures things out, and has some leverage to be pain the a-- from, he'll be a head-case along the lines of Milton Bradley. I would not be at all sorry to see him gone.

Posted by: joebleux | July 1, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

All this talk about changing the tenor of the club is killing me. The most logical, simplest and most effective thing Rizzo could do to change the tenor would be to send Acta packing today.

Posted by: dfh21 | July 1, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Just keep saying "there's never been a prospect like Bryce Harper". "There's never been a prospect like Bryce Harper".

Posted by: fischy | July 1, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

If it comes down to the Nats taking him, he's goona be playing at UNLV.

Posted by: dfh21 | July 1, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

It seems Ladson wasn't in Miami with the Nats as someone named Alden Gonzalez filed the MLB.com gamer. That would mean Zuckerman was the only regular writer who travels with the team actually at the game. Then again, the Times isn't paying dead weight like Wilbon, Jenkins and Wise

Posted by: leetee1955 | July 1, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

SIX wins and THIRTY losses in the Division. This lousy Division. Amazing.

Posted by: dfh21 | July 1, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I like Dukes as a player, but we have plenty of OF's...(Not CF's...but OF's...) and if we could get a prospect for him, i wouldn't be sad to see him go...especially if it helps team chemistry.

Posted by: ryan_temp | July 1, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Bryce Harper + Steven Strasburg...

There's a reason the Tampa Bay Rays are really good right now...All the early, 1st round picks they've always had are starting to pan out. Hopefully that's us in a few years...

Posted by: ryan_temp | July 1, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

We still have plenty of OF's, not CF's, as Morgan has a totla of 55 game in CF in his career. This is not the next coming of Devon White we just bought. This is a lefthand-hitting Corey Patterson with some extra walks. Rizzo calls the guy a cornerstone of the franchise -- please. You better be driving a segway and wearing lether pants to spew hyperbole like that.

Posted by: dfh21 | July 1, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Rizzo's got his work cut out for him trying to trade Dukes. I'll be very impressed if he pulls it off.

Dukes's image has improved tremendously and he hasn't really gotten himself into any new trouble, so he doesn't bother me. His relatively calm year here could already be helping his future.

On the other hand, his unseemly undergrowth has shown through the shiny surface every now and then that says he could still be trouble. That he hasn't had any nasty flare ups in the clubhouse could just as easily be a testament to all the other guys' patience/tolerance.

1a, yes, yes, I'm very smart indeed. The sooner everyone understands this the happier we'll all be!

(LOL! wink)

Posted by: NatsNut | July 1, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

>All this talk about changing the tenor of the club is killing me. The most logical, simplest and most effective thing Rizzo could do to change the tenor would be to send Acta packing today.

I'm not spending a nickel on these clowns until he's gone. Seems like a lot of other people think the same way.

Yeah, let's pitch to Hanley Ramirez with two outs and first base open. Let's give him a homer. Acta's beyond stupid. The bullpen didn't lose the damned game, he did. When is someone in the press gonna say something about this tool?

Posted by: Brue | July 1, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see how Burnett fit right in with the Nats bullpen. How is it the beat-up Marlins pen, featuring a Nats' reject, shuts our guys down, and the Nats bullpen bums almost never get it done? At his point, there's just no need to keep running Beimel, Tavarez and Villone out there. A few guys from the independent leagues couldn't be any worse, if Harrisburg and Syracuse don't enough warm bodies.

Posted by: nats24 | July 1, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Why would they want to trade Dukes? The guy is a stud. He is raw still, sure. But he has 30-30 potential (on that pace last year had he gotten a full season) and he is a quality defender (his recent loafs asside). The kid is under control forever salary-wise.

Posted by: dfh21 | July 1, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Brue, I am so glad to hear your voice of reason. Rizzo is on a cancer removal mission yet he can't seem to aim the radiation at the biggest tumor they've got. Acta is losing personified. Adios all.

Posted by: dfh21 | July 1, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

"At his point, there's just no need to keep running Beimel, Tavarez and Villone out there. A few guys from the independent leagues couldn't be any worse, if Harrisburg and Syracuse don't enough warm bodies."

They don't at least not relievers. Plenty of starters. Syracuse features what we've already seen ... Ledezma, Sosa, Rivera and Kensing.

New would be trying JD Martin in a middle relief role to match the new lefty from the Bucs.

Doyne is not going to help, nor is Ramirez and Zinicola isn't ready yet just promoted from AA.

Balester, Mock (especially Mock) and Estrada are starters ... along with Martis.

We're all probably going to have to wait and see how Rizzo's mostly college draft picks do this year and next. Some seem like they could address the problem ...

Posted by: periculum | July 1, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

They aren't going to get rid of Dukes. The guy had options and it made sense to send him down as opposed to DFA'ing.

He'll be back ... along with Maxwell and others once the trading really starts.

Posted by: periculum | July 1, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

6-30 within the division is, in itself, sufficient reason to fire Acta, not to mention his passive approach to the game.I'm not saying the Nats would be that much better with a manager who was competing with Bobby Cox for most career ejections, but while I like Manny as a person, he's the wrong fit for this team (unless the goal is for the 2009 Nats to rival the 1916 Philadelphia A's, who were 36-117, the 1935 Boston Braves, a slightly better 38-115, or the often aforementioned 1962 Mets).

Blow up the organization, from Stan Kasten on down, and bring in people with proven track records. You're going to have to overpay for them, because Washington is viewed as a baseball graveyard, but anyone who can give D.C. its first significant September games in nearly two-thirds of a century will be viewed as miracle worker. By not making radical changes, the Lerners risk turning this franchise into an afterthought, no matter how many top draft picks they get. CHANGE THE CULTURE!

Posted by: VPaterno | July 1, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Got it, NatsNut. Now we just need to convince the rest of the denizens. ;-)

And this was pretty daggone funny, Chico:

"When the Washington Nationals play the Florida Marlins, excruciating baseball -- the kind favored by the Nats no matter the opponent -- forms an unholy alliance with cursed baseball."

The late inning stats were not so funny. Hey, I know. We get this cloud-seeding stuff, see, and an airplane. It won't be cheap but if we all chip in I think we can swing it. Oh, and we'll need a pilot. Then, when the Nats have a lead in, say, the 6th, we arrange for it to start raining over the ballpark. Domed venues would present a problem but perhaps something could be worked out with fire sprinklers. So, are y'all with me?

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 1, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I believe that's just what they are trying to do.

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CHANGE THE CULTURE!

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 1, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but you can't change the culture with the same people running the show. So goodbye Kasten, goodbye Manny, goodbye Rizzo. Bring in people for whom there are no sacred cows., and let them hire scouts and other organizational personnel not tained by association with Bowden. The Lerners need to show this disillusioned fan base that they're truly concerned with getting it right this time.

Posted by: VPaterno | July 1, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Brue & dfh21, I couldn't agree with you more! I'm a beyond frustrated Nats fan who's watched major league baseball for over 45 years and I've NEVER seen a more incompetent manager who has lasted this long in the job. What in God's name is taking this FO so long to get rid of him.

I say we can salvage a little dignity out of this wretched season by promoting Tim Foli from Syracuse to shake this clubhouse up. I watched him in his playing career and IMO he'd demand accountability from these underachieving players who continue to make the same baserunning & mental mistakes OVER & OVER AGAIN!!! Manny won't bench or reprimand them on any level and it's maddening to have to watch this day after day. Foli will always battle with incompetent umpires and by sticking up for his players in arguments, will gain a certain measure of respect from them. Umpires have little respect for Acta, figuring that if he doesn't bother to back his own players, why should they have any respect for our club. It just sickens me to watch him screw this team up night after night. We're obviously not world-beaters, but this club has too much talent to be a laughingstock around the league such as it is currently.

Posted by: OldSkoolDiehard | July 1, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

I am so sick of watching the Loria driven Miami Tunaheads beat on this franchise it makes me ill. Loria's the reason the team is in the mess it's in to begin with. It's the old Expos FO staff that finds all those young ballplayers they always seem to have.

Stinking Fish.

Posted by: dand187 | July 1, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks the recent moves weren't a prelude to firing Acta hasn't been paying attention. These moves serve multiple purposes, one of which is to provide the groundwork for jettisoning Manny.

Posted by: SavedByZero | July 1, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

OK, let me get this straight: you want someone with a track record, but not Kasten or Rizzo. Someone who's unconventional, but not Bowden. Someone who's not afraid to trade draft picks. An Adventurer! I have just the man! http://tinyurl.com/5afjjw

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 1, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

SBZ: yer just being silly.

The Nats don't need any "groundwork" to fire Manny. It should be pretty obvious by now that they really, really don't want to fire him; otherwise he'd be gone.

Posted by: joebleux | July 1, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah, but you can't change the culture with the same people running the show. So goodbye Kasten, goodbye Manny, goodbye Rizzo. Bring in people for whom there are no sacred cows., and let them hire scouts and other organizational personnel not tained by association with Bowden."
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Hey! Unlike most Washington baseball fans, I know you can't trade draft picks in MLB.

Posted by: VPaterno | July 1, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

They aren't going to get rid of Dukes. The guy had options and it made sense to send him down as opposed to DFA'ing.

He'll be back ... along with Maxwell and others once the trading really starts.

Posted by: periculum

Wanna bet Dukes = Done.
They'll bring him back. Right. Just like they brought Thrilledge back. Dukes looks like a beaten man, on and off the field. His personal life is still a mess, he looks as if he wants to strangle someone/anyone, fundamentally he's a mess and pitchers long ago figured out no use wasting a strike on this clown when he's such a sucker for low, outside breaking stuff. One plus: he has a strong, if inaccurate, arm. But so does Kearns.

Nuff said.

Posted by: jdschulz50 | July 1, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Barring an Injury to Dunn or Willingham within the next week and a half, Dukes won't wear a Nats uniform ever again. He's next on the list to be traded for marginal talent.

Book it.

Rizzo wants to get rid of all of Bowden's problem kids, and show that DC is no longer MLB's home for wayward children.

He's gonna trade Dukes for whatever he can get for him. watch.

He's gonna ask for a bit more in the way of ACTUAL talent for the Guzmans and Dunns and Willinghams...but you can have Dukes for a steep discount.

Posted by: MrMadison | July 1, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

If MadDog is right (and he may well be, IMO), then they are still not out much, and neither is Dukes. He was through when Bowden got him for a bag of balls, and if he's still in or near MLB a year or two from now, he's beating the odds.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 1, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

OLDSKOOLDIEHARD: Finally a voice of reason i too am on the Tim Foli bandwagon as a former player of note(he was a sucessful major leaguer)he has the Chiefs playing for first place in triple A ball, Foli's a no nonsense manager that this franchise desperately needs,Acta is not a major league manager period, end of story.The national league east is a division where every team with the exception of this woebegone franchise is comming back to earth,just think if this team was lets say ten games under .500 they might have a puncher's chance to at least give the fans a reason to stay interested, but no way that's gonna happen with this brain dead team of knuckleheads running this operation.Foli would be perfect for the Nationals but that would be too much like right.

Posted by: dargregmag | July 1, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

So funny thing, I was watching MLB Network and they were talking about the Cubs-Pirates game, specifically how the Cubs weren't executing on fundamentals, were pressing at the plate, weren't scoring enough runs. Probably they just need a manager with some fire who will hold them all accountable and fire them up. Oh. Never mind.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 1, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Lots of good things happening. Change is good. Can't wait to see Morgan on Friday. I have waffled back and forth on whether Manny should stay or go, but I certainly think the major focus should be on players. I'm looking forward to the next moves.

Posted by: natbiscuits | July 1, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Foli might be okay for 2010...but only if the Nats can't get Bobby Valentine, an already established MLB manager.

Posted by: VPaterno | July 1, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Cubs-Pirates... Joel Hanrahan retired the side in order in the 7th (single - dp - struck Lee out).

Posted by: Kev29 | July 1, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

BTW did anybody notice that the talk on ESPN radio about the trade focused on the impact for Pittsburgh.....at times the reports did not mention the team they made the trade with just the players involved.

Posted by: CBinDC | July 1, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of ex-Nats, I see Felepe Lopez is starting and batting .303 for the Diamondbacks.

Posted by: ammonite88 | July 1, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I find it really strange that most of the Manny "defenders" seem to think that the only issue/problem to address is his demeanor and only address that point. They always seem to ignore the fact that the guy can't manage his way out of a cardboard box.

Posted by: CoverageisLacking | July 1, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

If Dukes and Willingham are traded, it begs the question--whats the 2010 outfield look like?

The answer depends on whether Johnson is resigned, if so, Dunn will be in LF if not he will be at 1B.

So the starting outfield is........???

Posted by: jfromPG | July 1, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

"If Dukes and Willingham are traded, it begs the question--whats the 2010 outfield look like?"

No, it doesn't. http://begthequestion.info/

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 1, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

CiL, I'm not one of Manny's defenders, but in fairness, they do reference the lack of bunting/hit & run/"small ball" stuff sometimes; also, occasionally, whether Manny or the FO makes out the lineup card.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 1, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they could trade Kearns, Dukes, Manny, and a draft pick for Uncle Lou...
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So funny thing, I was watching MLB Network and they were talking about the Cubs-Pirates game, specifically how the Cubs weren't executing on fundamentals, were pressing at the plate, weren't scoring enough runs. Probably they just need a manager with some fire who will hold them all accountable and fire them up. Oh. Never mind.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 1, 2009 10:18 PM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 1, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

1a, you've hit the nail right on the head as usual. The Cub's manager was recently quoted as follows:

"What do I need to show fire for?" Piniella told the Chicago Tribune. "I'm not a dragon."

What a schmuck. He just needs to get out there and start throwing some bases around (or, possibly, merely lighting them on fire in place), and the Cubbies would be rolling to another championship.

Posted by: joebleux | July 1, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

but more to the point, if Dukes and Willingham and Nick Johnson, but not Dunn, are traded, who will play where might depend on who they get for those guys. We might figure on some prospects, but there might be a starter in there somewhere.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 1, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't anyone around here no how to watch this game?

Posted by: Section506 | July 2, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

know, I guess not, 506.

Posted by: NatsNut | July 2, 2009 12:46 AM | Report abuse

I know how, the question (don't beg, it's undignified) is WHY?

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 2, 2009 1:16 AM | Report abuse

was just looking at the highlights of today's (yesterday's) game on the official website.

anyone notice willingham's slide home when Z'nn singled in the 2nd? dude practically slid all the way back to the dugout. lack of sleep probly has me loopier than usual, but that thing is crackin me up.

http://tinyurl.com/m5holl

Posted by: NatsNut | July 2, 2009 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Whomever it was above that said the Nats were making these moves to lay the ground work to fire Acta is a bit crazy. Pitching to Hanley Ramirez with men in scoring postion and first base open is enough ground work to get rid of that via zen media massaging, self-help book carrying (there is NO WAY he reads the tings based on his performance), dead man sleep-walking, hapless manager. He needs to go and it needs to happen now!

Posted by: dfh21 | July 2, 2009 2:35 AM | Report abuse

Other teams win at a 75% rate after 6-7 innings, but we only win 45% of those games? That speaks directly to game management and is an incredible indictment of Acta's management abilities.

Posted by: Vze2sr66 | July 2, 2009 3:10 AM | Report abuse

"Aroldis Chapman Defects. Aroldis Chapman is a 21 year-old lefty who's touched 100 mph with his fastball."

How long before the Aroldis bidding begins? How long before we hear he's acquired the services of one Scott Boras? How long before we start hearing the comparisons between Aroldis and Strasburg? Yet another wrinkle to consider before the Aug 17 deadline.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/aroldis-chapman-defects.html

Posted by: RicketyCricket | July 2, 2009 6:18 AM | Report abuse

Or to a crappy bullpen.

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Other teams win at a 75% rate after 6-7 innings, but we only win 45% of those games? That speaks directly to game management and is an incredible indictment of Acta's management abilities.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 2, 2009 7:20 AM | Report abuse

In other news, tell the truth now - who's submitted a video to this show, which I saw part of for the first time last night? I know that Natstown has some awesome ranters, so step up to the plate.

http://fanarchy.versus.com/show-info.php

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 2, 2009 7:22 AM | Report abuse

When a team is going bad the old adage has always been that you fire the coach because you can't fire all the players. Not that some of the players don't deserve to be fired, they do, but the Nats continue to ignore the one simple, obvious action that may bring results. Granted it might not, but what's the big deal if it doesn't. Manny gets paid for the rest of the year, and he doesn't have a contract for next year anyway. What's to lose? They might start playing worse? They might lose more games than they already do?

Posted by: rgibson25 | July 2, 2009 7:30 AM | Report abuse

I'm sticking with the positive so from the did you know department:

- Willingham leads the team with a .411 OBP followed by Nick at .406, Dunn .396, Gonzalez .369, Zimm .366, Harris .364, Bard .357, and now Morgan .351. (Willingham also leads in SLG percentage)

- Leaders in Hits: Zimm (92), Guzman (88), Nohnson (80), and Morgan (77).

- A LH batter, Morgan hits righthanders at .322 and lefties at .151.

- By next Tuesday we will be exactly half way through the season (81 games), Milledge led the team last year with 61 RBI; Dunn should have that by then (currently 56).


Posted by: natbiscuits | July 2, 2009 8:13 AM | Report abuse

"Blow up the organization, from Stan Kasten on down, and bring in people with proven track records" VPaterno

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But doesn't SK have a "proven track record" from his days with the Braves? Sure it took a little while for them to get on track, but they surely did. This is not to be gulping Kool-Aid, mind you. But I don't know who else is out there who has a better resume.

Posted by: twinbrook | July 2, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Another way to look at the Nationals bullpen fiasco is to figure out what their record is after 6 innings, 7 innings, and 8 innings. I suspect we're not too bad a team if the game was only 6 or 7 innings long. Does anyone have the record after each inning?

Posted by: Dougmacintyre | July 2, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Brue, I never think you're the "voice of reason" around here, but at this point in time, it is only fair to ask why Manny is still there if they're going to push competency and performance over potential. I still think the talent level is still his biggest problem (the reason the Nats' winning percentage in late innings is so bad isn't strategy, it's lousy relier pitchers and costly errors), but he's got to be accountable, too (Why did we pitch to Ramirez so much in that series?). I think they'll wait until they complete whatever trades they're making this month, play it out through August and then decide. Unless they have a candidate they really like, I think they'll just let him finish the year. Maybe not the best choice, but it probably only affects the W-L record by a game or three, at the most.

Posted by: baltova1 | July 2, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Yes, if they're like the Diamondbacks, who were at .413 when they fired Melvin and are now at .397 (and in last place).

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What's to lose? They might start playing worse? They might lose more games than they already do?

Posted by: rgibson25 | July 2, 2009 7:30 AM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 2, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

To add to the natbiscuit positives: the #9 and #11 positions in top NL pitchers for ERA are J-Zimm and Lannan (of 62 pitchers).

Interesting factoid: D-Cab still leads NL pitchers in WP's for the season to date, with 10 (Hanrahan is tied for 3rd with 6).

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 2, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and new post.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 2, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Dang, meant to add that the time period was the last 30 days for the ERA leaders.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 2, 2009 9:01 AM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 2, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Yes, if they're like the Diamondbacks, who were at .413 when they fired Melvin and are now at .397 (and in last place).
Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 2, 2009 8:41 AM
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For the Nats' winning percentage (.289) to get any worse they would practically have to start losing games they don’t even play in.

Posted by: rgibson25 | July 2, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Be careful what you wish for...

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 2, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Which is not to say that you are wishing for them to be worse. The idea was more along the lines of not tempting fate, or the baseball deities.

But my point is that the action of firing the manager does not guarantee improved results. Continuing with the Diamondbacks theme, they fired their manager in '04 when they were at 29-50. They ended the season at 51-111. In '05 they went 77-85, a 26 game improvement. The skipper of that team? Bob Melvin, who they canned this year.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 2, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Or whom. (uh-oh, here comes NatsNut... ;-))

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 2, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of ex-Nats, I see Felepe Lopez is starting and batting .303 for the Diamondbacks.

Posted by: ammonite88 | July 1, 2009 10:37 PM
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Being a Nat is the closest thing MLB has to a near-death experience. It changes a man, sobers him up.

Posted by: gbooksdc | July 2, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

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