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Lineups And Dukes

New York

Pagan - 8
Castillo - 4
Murphy - 3
Wright - 5
Francoeur - 9
Sullivan - 7
Berroa - 6
Schneider - 2
Pelfrey - 1

Washington

Morgan - 8
Guzman - 6
Zimmerman - 5
Dunn - 7
Johnson - 3
Willingham - 9
Belliard - 4
Bard - 2
Stammen - 1

* Elijah Dukes has been pounding minor league pitching since his demotion to Class AAA Syracuse on July 1, or at least he was until a court date in Tampa, Fla., interrupted his time with the team. Sunday night, Dukes left the Chiefs to attend a Monday Hillsborough County (Fla.) court case, the latest in a series of paternity disputes. Dukes missed three games -- and his whereabouts were a mystery to several Chiefs' teammates. Dukes, however, returned to the team on Wednesday afternoon, and will be in uniform for the evening's game, a Nationals' official confirmed.

* Nick Johnson is batting fifth for just the fifth time this year. Which means Cristian Guzman is in the No. 2 spot, where he's hitting .355 (22-for-62) this year. Guzman is 4-for-28 (.143) in the No. 6 spot.

* The all-star break really came at the wrong time for Josh Willingham. Washington's hottest player before those three off days, Willingham is 0-for-14 in the second half.

By Chico Harlan  |  July 22, 2009; 3:11 PM ET
 
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"I miss when newspapers actually had and used reporters to cover stories such as ballgames, rather than inviting anyone to hop onto The Washington Post's reputation and file (er, twitter) away.

Posted by: greggwiggins | July 22, 2009"

Hmmm, baseball perhaps, I might agree with guys like Siegel and Povich.

Having multiple perspective and opinions about things which affect one in the real world seems more of an advantage? There have been way too many times when a reporter or reporter[s] reporting of the news is biased by perspective and even opinion. You might base your opinion on that report, only to find later that your perspective might have been entirely different given all facts, and many perspectives:

Case in point: "Nigergate". Reporters and even the president claimed that Sadam was purchasing nuclear materials from Nigeria. In some Italian newspapers they were reporting that a guy (known as the BIGSPY] had fabricated the documents which were used as the "smoking gun" in order to prove his worth to French Intelligence. The Italian reports ended up being correct.

Posted by: lerici | July 22, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

2 home runs and a .324 average are hardly a "pounding". I have no doubt that Dukes has the ability to be a star. The question is how he would do in the Nats clubhouse. It's foolish to blame the Nats' troubles on him, as they've done worse since he left. So, can the Nats all just get along?

Posted by: fischy | July 22, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Case in point: "Nigergate". Reporters and even the president claimed that Sadam was purchasing nuclear materials from Nigeria. In some Italian newspapers they were reporting that a guy (known as the BIGSPY] had fabricated the documents which were used as the "smoking gun" in order to prove his worth to French Intelligence. The Italian reports ended up being correct.

Posted by: lerici | July 22, 2009 3:18 PM |

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If only Joe Wilson had been twittering from Niger, eh? History might have been entirely different...

Posted by: fischy | July 22, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Nice, that's .324/.419/.662 for those of you too lazy to click.

12 for 37, 5 2B, 2 HR, 6 RBI, 6 BB, 5 SO

If he keeps playing like that it would make flipping Willingham pretty painless.

Posted by: Section506 | July 22, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Agree with fischy: If anyone has been "pounding" it looks like it would be Mike Morse they guy they got for Langerhans?

Posted by: lerici | July 22, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Chico: anything going on trade-wise? I read that a Boston scout has sat through a few games watching NJ. Anything on this front? What else have you seen/heard?

Posted by: joemktg1 | July 22, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"lerici" = "periculum"

Posted by: flynnie2 | July 22, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

"Twitter is such a flash-in-the-pan. Why doesn't Nats Journal encourage people to bring CB radios to the ballpark? 10-4 good buddy, got the hammer down and no bullpen."

A well-placed brown paper bag over the head will deliver a punch greater than a thousand tweets, and if recycled properly has a lower carbon footprint to boot.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | July 22, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Zimmerman say that that he wasn't expecting to see Dukes back in the majors as a National. I may be remembering that incorrectly.

My memory is almost as bad as my proof reading.

Posted by: soundbloke | July 22, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Section 506:

Morse :
.326/.462/.497 107 for 328, 2 SB, 12 HR, 28 BB
58 SO total.

with Syracuse:

.382/.462/.559 26 for 68, 2 SB, 2 HR, 8 BB, 8 SO

Plays 2nd, 3rd, 1st, OF.

Its AAA after all ... which of course is meaningless.

Posted by: lerici | July 22, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I feel bad for Josh Bard, hitting between Belliard and the pitcher... but if I remember correctly, our starting pitching is actually hitting pretty well. Does anyone know what our starting pitchers are hitting currently? There was a time just before the break that starting pitchers were hitting over .400 over the previous reasonably long stretch.

Posted by: wigi | July 22, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Right, you are, lerici. So trading Willingham AND Johnson looks more palatable.

Posted by: Section506 | July 22, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Good gravy! I would have upped my game if I'd known that a scout was monitoring this blog. What? Oh. Never mind.

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I read that a Boston scout has sat through a few games watching NJ. Anything on this front? What else have you seen/heard?

Posted by: joemktg1 | July 22, 2009 3:23 PM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 22, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the Red Sox are out of the Nick Johnson derby. They traded for Adam LaRoche today.

Posted by: LeesburgDad | July 22, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Twitter is to good journalism as Nook Logan is to Mickey Mantle. And you can quote me.

Posted by: jdschulz50 | July 22, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

SI's I's Joe Posnanski has listed the 100 best players, and the Nationals only just make two of them. Any guesses? (No Kearns wasn't one of them)

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

70. Adam Dunn, OF, Nationals
He walks and he hits home runs, just like always. Has an excellent shot of hitting exactly 40 home runs for the fifth consecutive season. Only Frank Thomas and Vinny Castilla have even done it two years in a row.

100. Ryan Zimmerman, 3B, Nationals
How can you not feel bad for Zimmerman, who continues to get better as a hitter and continues to play terrific third base for a dying Nationals team?

Posted by: twinbrook | July 22, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

NJ's chances of leaving feel exponentially with the one-two punch of the Mets nose dive and BoSox trade for LaRoche.

If Rizzo's "character" push is to continue, Elijah will be hoping some other team leaves the door open for him at Passover.

Interesting that WP did not take the bait on ESPN's BREAKING NEWS re: Strasberg being "unlikely" to sign with us.

Posted by: terrapin31590us | July 22, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Oh twinbrook? Is that Adam Dunn who is no good and needs to be traded from this team because he can't field?

Posted by: Section506 | July 22, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Good question, Wigi. It seems to me that the hitting by pitchers may have cooled down a bit, but I don't have data on that.

When I looked at the stats on the team site just now, I found the following current stats:*

Martis, 13G, 24AB, 4R, 5H, .208
Lannan, 18G, 34AB, 1R, 4H, .118 BA
Zimmermann, 15G, 27AB, 1R, 4H, .148 BA
Stammen, 9G, 17AB, 1R, 4H, .235 BA
Olsen, 11G, 15AB, 1R, 2H, .133 BA
Detwiler, 8G, 13AB, 1R, 1H, .077

Yeah, I left out Cabrera. :-D

*I'm sure that's not the best source but all of you stat-heads will know that. You might also know how to get the splits as far as post-All Star Break info.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 22, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

*fell* .... darn typo.

Posted by: terrapin31590us | July 22, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

To be fair 506, I think that SI may have over estimated Mr. Dunn. I don't hate him but I have always felt he is overvalued. This is why he should be trade, because we can get more back from him than he is worth.

Of course if that last sentence is not true, then should keep him.

Posted by: soundbloke | July 22, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

What was Nook Logan thinking? What was he watching? Where was he going? What was he Tweeting?

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Twitter is to good journalism as Nook Logan is to Mickey Mantle. And you can quote me.

Posted by: jdschulz50 | July 22, 2009 3:36 PM |

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 22, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

why is BELLIARD playing??? keeping both hernandez and gonzalez out of the lineup every night is criminal. since we're stuck with guzzie (THANKS jim), one of the two should ALWAYS be starting at 2B. belliard is useless.

i've never seen such a terrible team be so resistant to playing young players. what are they worried about, playing WORSE than they have been?

what should be rizzo/riggleman's to do list:

1. trade johnson, install dunn at 1B for rest of season, return dukes to RF, move willingham back to LF (unless he can be traded).

2. never start kearns again. preferably DFA him but that is wishful thinking.

3. ensure either hernandez or gonzalez plays 2B every night. never start belliard again. preferably trade (haha) or DFA him too while we are at it.

Posted by: DCPowerGator | July 22, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

We'd need to add "Read comments by NJ bloggers" as number 1) on that list, methinks.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 22, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

natsfan1a1, i accept your modification, but only as #4 or perhaps #3b.

Posted by: DCPowerGator | July 22, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

100. Ryan Zimmerman, 3B, Nationals
How can you not feel bad for Zimmerman, who continues to get better as a hitter and continues to play terrific third base for a dying Nationals team?

Posted by: twinbrook | July 22, 2009 3:39 PM

I hate to be critical of some slight praise... but Zim's batting numbers are on par with his full rookie season and he's got the yips throwing from 3rd. I tend to agree that he should be on that list, because he is really talented, but that's (unsurprisingly) kind of a lazy national media comment on a National.

Posted by: Kev29 | July 22, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

DFAing Kearns would call for a National Holiday in NatsTown!

Posted by: ImWithStupid | July 22, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

@ soundbloke - just curious as to why you think Dunn is overrated. When he was a free agent, teams weren't exactly knocking his door down. It seems that the Nationals may have rated him more highly than any other team. Do you mean overrated by writers like Posnanski or overrated by teams (or overrated by NJ posters? =))

Posted by: Section220 | July 22, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"A well-placed brown paper bag over the head will deliver a punch greater than a thousand tweets, and if recycled properly has a lower carbon footprint to boot."


.... I LIKE IT!

People who were discussing ways to communicate our "protest" to the organization, take note. You can still go to the games and enjoy watching baseball, but with a bag over your head you send a message ... this team is embarrassing.

Posted by: ihatewalks | July 22, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

220

Sorry, overrated by Bowden, and apparently the good people as SI.

There also seems to be a fair number of rumours concerning him given his 'unavailable' status, which would suggest people are asking.

This is all conjecture obviously which should be treated with the same respect as twitter.

Posted by: soundbloke | July 22, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I know that in my profession if I willfully disobey orders given to me, I can be fired for cause. Why can't a lead off man who is told to take more pitches but stubbornly doesn't, like Milledge or Guzman, be fired for cause? This should be run on a business-like basis, and the "boys" should "play," i.e. work, with accountability.

Posted by: poncedeleroy | July 22, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

lerici, as I wrote in the comments of the prior post when you made the same comment you did here, Siegel and Povich weren't reporters, they were columnists -- there's a big difference, even though a good columnist does some reporting while preparing a column. Opinion is supposed to be part of a columnist's work, unlike reporters. And too many people define "bias" as "the reporter isn't confirming my preconceived notions". There's an axiom in journalism that you're probably doing your job right when both sides of an issue think you're biased in favor of the other side.

jdshulz50, if I were your editor I'd delete one word from your post. You wrote that "Twitter is to good journalism as Nook Logan is to Mickey Mantle." (Hey, you said I could quote you.) I'd scratch the word "good" because Twitter is not any kind of journalism at all.

Which is why I'm really disappointed that The Washington Post has decided to replace journalism with Twitterism.

Posted by: greggwiggins | July 22, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

L->L->R->L->L->R->R->L->R

Posted by: lerici | July 22, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

3 1/2 men to scout all of baseball - the baseball islands, Asia, Latin America, the U.S and Canada. 3 1/2 men! I know building engineers who won't work for the Lerners because of their reputation for low pay and long hours. MLB scouts, welcome to their world!

Thanks to theredskinn for this, from Gordon Edes, who used to cover the Red Sox for the Globe, and wisely bailed for Yahoo.com.

"National insecurity: The Nationals already function on a short-staffed basis in scouting, where they only have 3½ pro scouts (including part-timers and not including advance men). The Yankees, by contrast, have a major league-leading 15, with the Rays right behind at 14."

Posted by: flynnie2 | July 22, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Woe betide he who ever doubts this bunch's capacity for hysteria. Bowden, Milledge, Acta, Dukes, Lerner, Zimmerman, Guzman, Rizzo ... twitter.

These, my friends, are the demons that beset our lives. Good grief.

Posted by: Scooter_ | July 22, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

@greggwiggins: you are so right about the sad, sad state of journalism.

On a totally different subject:

on Elijah "Father of our country" Dukes: another overrated figment of JimBo's fertile imagination.

Posted by: jdschulz50 | July 22, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

"There's an axiom in journalism that you're probably doing your job right when both sides of an issue think you're biased in favor of the other side."

But what is it called when all "perspectives", all sides of a story, all provable facts aren't presented?

I suspect that is what happens when you tend to rely on one voice, whether for opinion or hard news. As my example seemed to portray? Unfortunately, too often, facts tend to get obscured and even hidden because they source is not "trusted", or because of "politcal" bias or both.

Its kind of what the Internet is supposed to provide and "tweeting" is just another extension of it, which may or may not survive the passage of time.

In the end everything still must depend on a dogged pursuit of information by the reader to find, and consider all sources of information. Without accepting any and all at face value. Too often the onus of "bias" resides with the "reader" as opposed to the reporter. Even given the best and most sophisticated tools.

Posted by: lerici | July 22, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

soundbloke - understood, thanks for the clarification.

I always felt that Dunn was UNDERrated because people hated watching him, aesthetically. They hated watching him stumble around in left and strike out, and that colored their perceptions and caused them to undervalue his tremendous impact as a hitter. But I could imagine that I (and other statheads who love guys like Dunn) may have possibly OVERrated him because there was so little consensus on defensive metrics, and maybe more advanced defensive metrics will show Dunn to be even worse than we currently think. Dunno.

Posted by: Section220 | July 22, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

flynnie

Yep. Everyone who does deals with the Lerners seems to have a new and interesting story about how cheap they are, and how appalling working with them is.

Posted by: soundbloke | July 22, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

if it is true that we only have 3.5 pro scouts, this franchise will never be anything but a doormat. that is the most disturbing thing i have seen about this team yet.

Posted by: DCPowerGator | July 22, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"NJ's chances of leaving feel exponentially with the one-two punch of the Mets nose dive and BoSox trade for LaRoche."
___________________

There are other teams in MLB besides New York and Boston, even if most people in this town don't realize it. The Giants are supposedly seeking a first baseman, and in fact were interested in LaRoche. Their farm system isn't as full of talent as that of the Bosox, but it's probably at the same level as the Mets'. Moreover, Johnson is from Sacramento, so not only might he be receptive to a trade to SF, but he may agree to a contract with the Giants. The Nats could get a prospect or two for him.

Posted by: VPaterno | July 22, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

For the love of attempting to win a game, reinstall NJ into the 2-hole plzthx.

Posted by: VelocityAtrocity | July 22, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

giants would be a nice choice for NJ. they have boatloads of young pitching to boot.

Posted by: DCPowerGator | July 22, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

"People who were discussing ways to communicate our "protest" to the organization, take note. You can still go to the games and enjoy watching baseball, but with a bag over your head you send a message ... this team is embarrassing."

Can we do this in September? It's hot in August...

Posted by: Section506 | July 22, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Can we do this in September? It's hot in August...

Posted by: Section506 | July 22, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse
+++++++++++++++++++
How about a thong until the dog days are over?

Posted by: Intrudr | July 22, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

lerici, when all perspectives and all sides of a story aren't presented it's called bad journalism. But good journalism also requires good editing -- you talk about polishing a story the way you would describe polishing a telescope mirror. And Twitter is unedited and un-fact-checked material from unknown sources of uncertain reliability. It fails my definition of "journalism".

Posted by: greggwiggins | July 22, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"National insecurity: The Nationals already function on a short-staffed basis in scouting, where they only have 3½ pro scouts (including part-timers and not including advance men). The Yankees, by contrast, have a major league-leading 15, with the Rays right behind at 14."
___________________

That we had to learn about this from the Boston Globe -- instead of from someone at the Post or even the Washington Times -- is a damning indictment of the baseball culture (or lack of it) among the press in this town.

Then again, perhaps Chico is just waiting to be "promoted" to one of the two dozen Redskins beat writers.

To the D.C. sports media:

YOU.PEOPLE ARE IGNORANT.

Posted by: VPaterno | July 22, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

3 1/2 scouts?!?!

Posted by: goexpos2 | July 22, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Here's a way to protest:

Get a plain white tee shirt and a sharpie... stick some newspaper inside it so the ink doesn't bleed through... and write in big letters, "Interim Fan"

Wear to the game.

(of course, the ink will probably bleed off the inside of the shirt and onto you... but you make a statement)

Posted by: wigi | July 22, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"Yep. Everyone who does deals with the Lerners seems to have a new and interesting story about how cheap they are, and how appalling working with them is."

Really? The Lerners have been in business literally forever. They have to have done thousands of deals, large and small, in that time. Unlimited numbers of people have worked for them over the years. If everyone who ever dealt with them felt they were cheap, underhanded, slimy or whatever, there should be thousands of these kind of stories floating around by now. Not just the handful that get repeated over and over and over again. All unattributed or anonymous, of course.

Posted by: nunof1 | July 22, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

""People who were discussing ways to communicate our "protest" to the organization, take note. You can still go to the games and enjoy watching baseball, but with a bag over your head you send a message ... this team is embarrassing."

Can we do this in September? It's hot in August..."

Wimp.

Posted by: nunof1 | July 22, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

wigi

That idea is the closest thing I've heard to pure genius in a long long time.

Wiggins

You are quite right about journalism. Although in the case of the Nigeria 'sale', there was far too much evidence for it not to have effected the slant taken by a respectable journalist or columnist. Especially given the track record of the administration.

Also, another question. Who damn well cares if people post under different names? An opinion is an opinion.

Posted by: soundbloke | July 22, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to put a bag over my head for my next game and write "Will Scout for Per Diem" in black marker across the top.

Posted by: Kev29 | July 22, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Just to clarify, pro scouts refers to scouts who are assigned to pro players, whose coverage areas would be various minor league games looking at other organization's inventory.
We already know from Chico's draft preview story that the Nats have 15 area scouts assigned to draft-eligible amateur players along with four national cross-checkers, and these numbers are consistent with what most organizations use.
While 3 1/2 pro scouts might be low, 15 like the Yankees have is overkill. When MLB owned the team, all areas of scouting were understaffed, which was one of the reasons the draft hauls during those years were decidedly underwhelming.

Posted by: mjhoya12 | July 22, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Nunof1.

The story that I know concerning the Lerners actually comes from someone who is a friend and does business with them regularly.

Of course, and rightly so, I am just another anonymous internet poster from your stand point and my evidence would be anecdotal at best.

Posted by: soundbloke | July 22, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

All unattributed or anonymous, of course.

Posted by: nunof1 | July 22, 2009 4:43 PM

Yes, of course. Who would want to go on record calling their bosses cheap??

Posted by: Kev29 | July 22, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

periculum = lerici

Posted by: NatsNut | July 22, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

he's using an alias because he's logged in as "periculum" in his world of warcraft session.

Posted by: surly_w | July 22, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

"People who were discussing ways to communicate our "protest" to the organization, take note. You can still go to the games and enjoy watching baseball, but with a bag over your head you send a message ... this team is embarrassing."

Or wear a Lerner shirt with the number "0" (already been done) or my plan "$" as a number. Or maybe even Lerner with "@!$%#" as a number.

Posted by: dclifer97 | July 22, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

@VPaterno - Thanks for noticing! The story was not broken by the Globe, however, but by Gordon Edes in Yahoo sports. It was brought to our attention by a blogger named "theredskin." Gordon Edes is a great baseball writer who used to be the voice of the Boston Globe on all things Red Sox, but they ran him off. Chico worked for Gordon Edes as an intern. The Globe isn't breaking anything but hearts as it staggers towards banruptcy.
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That we had to learn about this from the Boston Globe -- instead of from someone at the Post or even the Washington Times -- is a damning indictment of the baseball culture (or lack of it) among the press in this town.

Then again, perhaps Chico is just waiting to be "promoted" to one of the two dozen Redskins beat writers.

To the D.C. sports media:

YOU.PEOPLE ARE IGNORANT.

Posted by: VPaterno | July 22, 2009 4:36 PM |

Posted by: flynnie2 | July 22, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

@mjhoya - how do these numbers compare to the rest of baseball, and why so few pro scouts? Have they refused to let Rizzo hire his own guys? Gordon Edes felt that it was a sign that Rizzo was truly "interim" and that the organization would not fill the positions until it hired a permanent GM.

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Just to clarify, pro scouts refers to scouts who are assigned to pro players, whose coverage areas would be various minor league games looking at other organization's inventory.
We already know from Chico's draft preview story that the Nats have 15 area scouts assigned to draft-eligible amateur players along with four national cross-checkers, and these numbers are consistent with what most organizations use.
While 3 1/2 pro scouts might be low, 15 like the Yankees have is overkill. When MLB owned the team, all areas of scouting were understaffed, which was one of the reasons the draft hauls during those years were decidedly underwhelming.

Posted by: mjhoya12 | July 22, 2009 4:57 PM

Posted by: flynnie2 | July 22, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, when's Dukes coming back up?

Posted by: kingtutts | July 22, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Second that.

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wigi

That idea is the closest thing I've heard to pure genius in a long long time.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 22, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

@dclifer: If you're going to get a "Lerner" jersey, use ¢¢ (the cent symbol)as a jersey number, 'cause we all know that the Lerners won't put out the big $$.

Posted by: BinM | July 22, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"Also, another question. Who damn well cares if people post under different names? An opinion is an opinion."

You know, I think this is a great question. I mean, most of us are not using our real names here. The two extremes seem to be posting under real names or posting without a handle at all. Posting with a consistent handle seems to me to be a reasonable middle ground. I guess I would say that having a consistent handle forces a certain amount of accountability which should help maintain a reasonable tone for the forum.
Ideally, part of me thinks the best answer would be for all of us to use our real names, but that would likely discourage participation. Absent that, at least using the same handle so everyone knows I'm the same jerk who posted something ridiculous yesterday, so they can hold me accountable for being gratuitously offensive or flip-flopping all the time, so the forum can self-police a bit.

For example, and I’m sorry to pick on you, lericilum, the poster periculum has posted today as lerici, as everyone can tell, because even though s/he has changed the handle, s/he keeps the same language tics, like ending declarative sentences with a question mark, consistently skipping an apostrophe in "its" and even picking up the same argument about the relevance of minor league stats. You could reasonably take the position that it's irrelevant what handle this person posts under, the opinion is just the opinion and should stand on its own. It's also possible that the poster felt s/he had reached the point where all posts were being ignored, and so wanted a "fresh start," as it were - and you could reasonably take the position such fresh starts should be allowed. I would probably come out on the flip side, arguing that people should avoid the need to change their handle by being civil and reasonable. And, I would suggest that most people are and should be reasonably forgiving, and that if I was a jerk yesterday, but apologize for it and stop being a jerk going forward, most people would be okay with that. Some, perhaps not, but that says something about them, too.

Anyway, I think it's a really interesting question for this type of forum, which we obviously all care about because of the time we spend on it, which is why I’ve written way too much...sorry for the wordiness, y’all.

Posted by: Section220 | July 22, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, wow, that was quite a long post. Back to baseball, 220. Focus, man!

Posted by: Section220 | July 22, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I've heard others say that Nick would not be a good fit for the Giants because they are more interested in a 3d baseman and moving Sandoval across the diamond to first.

Posted by: jca-CrystalCity | July 22, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Great post, 220.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 22, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

@kingtutts: IMO, Dukes will likely be back in WSH after the trading deadline. If Rizzo can move one of the more likely suspects (NJohnson, Willingham, Dunn or Harris) that gives him an OF opening, he'll be back. If nobody moves, he'll be back in September, after the rosters expand.

Posted by: BinM | July 22, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Flynnie --

The pro scout numbers I can find vary wildly, from two in Seattle to 11 in Milwaukee. If I were in charge of a team -- and I am still waiting for that call -- a good number for me would be six or seven, that way you can cover all levels of the minors and use the short-season guys to cross-check before the draft. As far as why these numbers vary, I can only assume the reasons include a mixture of budgetary reasons and personal preference, doled out in different measures depending on the club.
In terms of new hiring, I think Edes is assuming that Rizzo is wanting there to be new hires, that there are even any positions to fill. He's basically been in charge of the scouting department since mid-2006, along with Dana Brown, who dates back to the Montréal days, and there was a binge of amateur scout-hiring in 2007 to replenish what had been depleted so badly under MLB's watch, so it would seem odd that he could get his guys as a VP but not as an interim GM. I can only guess, but maybe Rizzo has enough confidence in his 3 1/2 pro scouts that he feels ok letting them do their thing while he works on things like potential deals and getting Strasburg on the books.

Posted by: mjhoya12 | July 22, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

HEAR, HEAR, 220! And I am for fresh starts, too. Bill James just came out with a piece called "Cooperstown and the 'Roids." http://tinyurl.com/my3e3e
In it, he says, "No one, including me, wants to play the role of persistently denigrating Dick Allen; in fact, I'm pretty sure you can go to hell for that . . . .For very good reasons, we do not nurture hatred." periculum-lerici loves the game and should be able to post here. But s/he offended many here by quoting NatsNut's posts in other forums and making creepy insinuations. The insinuations were all the more creepy because there was nothing quoted that NatsNut should be the least ashamed of - they were the statements of an enthusiastic fan. surly_w was the first to call periculum-lerici on it, and p-l responded with rantings about "the full 18 inches" and "the wizrd of flame." Maybe s/he was drunk. But I'd like an apology. It's not up to me to forgive p-l for public wrongs done to others. Same goes for nunof1/417/An Briosca Mor.

Posted by: flynnie2 | July 22, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Sheer brillance, Wigi. I'm tempted to make an "interim fan" shirt myself and wear it around Orangeburg - but it would probably prove less effective here.

Posted by: lowcountry | July 22, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

After a quick scan, here's a list of possible landing sites for NJohnson.
NYM, TEX, OAK, SF, & ARZ all have had "less than adequate" production at 1B - TEX & SF are still contending for a playoff appearance. The Rangers might be worth floating an offer to, as NJohnson could DH duties as well in the AL.

Posted by: BinM | July 22, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

"National insecurity: The Nationals already function on a short-staffed basis in scouting, where they only have 3½ pro scouts (including part-timers and not including advance men). The Yankees, by contrast, have a major league-leading 15, with the Rays right behind at 14."'

What's an "advance man" in this context? I'm curious, plus I want to make sure that we're comparing apples to apples here. At first I was appalled by this, but then read earlier on here that we're talking about scouts who look at other teams, not the guys who scan the country before the draft. So if our 3.5 plus advance men = X, and X is roughly equivalent to other teams, not so big a deal...

Posted by: cdstej | July 22, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Flynnie - love that Bill James piece, thanks for posting the link.

Posted by: Section220 | July 22, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

@cdstej: Advance men in this context would be the scouts "on point" - the guys on the ground that get the initial looks at HS, College & maybe pro players in their regions. They feed reports to the team FO, where the Pro Scouts try to sort everything out & focus a teams' interest toward certain players for additional looks.
A skewed% in the # of advance men in a given region vs. available Pro scouts can lead to a spike in the # of players drafted from a given region (see 2009 draft, Texas).
A good balance might be 5-8 advance men per Pro Scout, but what do I know; I'm just a fan.

Posted by: BinM | July 22, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Advance men are scouts who track other big league clubs, usually a couple of series before -- in "advance" of -- their games against the Nationals. They may also be keeping their eyes on guys the club likes for potential trades, but mostly they will keep charts on pitchers and hitters to turn over to Eckstein and McCatty to mingle into the existing charts and video. No idea what kind of numbers the Nationals employ, but if it wasn't mentioned in the original article, it likely was left out intentionally due to its not fitting the premise of Washington being short-handed -- therefore, my assumption is the Nats are at or around average.

Posted by: mjhoya12 | July 22, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

new post.

Posted by: leetee1955 | July 22, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

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