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Lineups From Miller Park

Washington

Morgan - 8
Gonzalez - 6
Zimmerman - 5
Dunn - 7
Willingham - 9
Johnson - 3
Nieves - 2
Hernandez - 4
Martin - 1

Milwaukee

Lopez - 4
Counsell - 6
Braun - 7
Fielder - 3
Hart - 9
Cameron - 8
McGehee - 5
Kendall - 2
Gallardo - 1

By Chico Harlan  |  July 30, 2009; 11:24 AM ET
 
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Comments

With Guzman out today, why not move Johnson back to the #2 spot, he's very patient, which would allow Morgan more opportunities to run...

Posted by: -CN- | July 30, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Wow, got new posted that fast.

@Scooter: I've mentioned before that I think relieving and starting require two very different skill-sets and mind-sets.

A starter needs stamina to last, and the ability to get over a bad pitch or a bad inning and stay in the game. A starter needs multiple pitches and a cunning that doesn't let the opposing roster see all his stuff the first time around.

A reliever can get by with a blazing fastball and maybe a curve or change. A reliever may matchup to only one batter in a tactical situation--and he has to get that one guy. Look at Guitierrez (sp)? in the game yesterday, he came in with men on 2nd and 3rd and got the side out. That was his job.

A reliever needs his adrenalin up for EVERY pitch. Look at Guitierrez (sp)? in the game yesterday, he came in with men on 2nd and 3rd and got the side out. That was his job.

That's why I didn't mind Manny's tactic of putting relievers in for one inning and then going to the next guy.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

-CN-, yes, I think so, too. Not sure what they are trying with Gonzalez in that spot except maybe they don't want 6,7,8,9 to consist of Gonz, Nieves, Hernandez and the pitcher.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Continuing the conversation:

"A reliever needs his adrenalin up for EVERY pitch. Look at Guitierrez (sp)? in the game yesterday, he came in with men on 2nd and 3rd and got the side out. That was his job.

"That's why I didn't mind Manny's tactic of putting relievers in for one inning and then going to the next guy."

I'm missing how you get from Point A to Point B. Your hypothesis seems to suggest that you put them in for one inning, then get a new one to avoid them losing the adrenaline during the half of the inning a relief pitcher has to sit, doesn't it?

Posted by: Section506 | July 30, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

@506: yes, something like that, but MAINLY, having your adrenalin and focus up that high is absolutely exhausting.

Relievers are like sprinters. I don't think sprinters are just long-distance runners who couldn't make it as long-distance runners...

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Here's hoping we see the exciting mid-game trade.

Posted by: GoNatsTerps | July 30, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Also, I think one of the most difficult decisions as a manager is when to pull the starter, especially with our bullpen.

That is a decision that, I gather, rests on the field manager (and his coaches) alone. More than team meetings, starting line-ups, and infield practice... That is the one decision you can truly evaluate a manager on--how good is his judgment of his starting pitcher's strength, stamina, etc., vs. what he has available in the bullpen.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Grab your ladles, JD's going to be serving up meatballs again today.

Posted by: dclifer97 | July 30, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

The underground forces have liberated Anderson Hernandez.

Posted by: leetee1955 | July 30, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Nats Lady, I figured out the link between Point A and Point B. Reading. I misread your perfectly written sentence and wound up with an incongruity!

Posted by: Section506 | July 30, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

flores can chat but not chico?

Posted by: surly_w | July 30, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

@506: OK. Because re-reading my post I realized I had done a little to much cut-and-paste and repeated myself. ;)

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

The writer or the pitcher?

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flores can chat but not chico?

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

From a few posts back, I had a similar reaction to NatsLady's on the Riggleman quote. It's not about seeing what he can do with these guys; it's about making the team better for the long term.

That said, I also appreciate how he has gone out of his way to compliment Acta and St. Claire.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"From a few posts back, I had a similar reaction to NatsLady's on the Riggleman quote. It's not about seeing what he can do with these guys; it's about making the team better for the long term."

Acta was all about making the team better for the long term rather than seeing what he could do with these guys. Acta got fired for that. Why would you expect Riggleman to do the same as Acta, unless Riggleman also wants to get fired?

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | July 30, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

talk about reading carefully: I read this as "grab your ladies ..." and was scratching my head ...

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Grab your ladles, JD's going to be serving up meatballs again today.
Posted by: dclifer97 | July 30, 2009 11:55 AM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Why would Riggleman get fired? He's here to play out the string this year.

That was my first reading as well, sec3.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Or manage out the string.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

@sec3: Thank you!!! Had the same issue!

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I didn't even realize it until after you said something Sec3. I thought it was some weird, neo-misogynistic 50s reference.

Posted by: Section506 | July 30, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

On another note, someone in Sheinin's chat noted that the Marlins were interested in Willingham. Aflac?

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I read ladies too, I thought it was a dating tip.

I was all set to take the wife to Olive Garden for lunch to enjoy some meatballs and pasta! I always feel like one of the family there..

Posted by: curz | July 30, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Riggleman may be here to play out the string this year, but you would think he at least wants to try to make the most of his chance here to either get to keep the job or have a good landing at the next place, wouldn't you? The only way to do that is to win now, and the only way to win now is to make that a priority over the long-term good of the team. He watched his predecessor making the long-term the priority over winning now, and his predecessor got canned. Of course he's gonna think he would suffer the same fate if he operates the same way.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | July 30, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

and the best I could come up with, until I enlarged the browser, was a play on "cross your fingers--"sorta like "hold your left [one of two]"

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

There's "interested" and "interested in ponying up what he'd cost" -- I think the former, not the latter

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On another note, someone in Sheinin's chat noted that the Marlins were interested in Willingham. Aflac?

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 12:32 PM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again...

Ortiz and Ramirez Said to Be on 2003 Doping List

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/31/sports/baseball/31doping.html?_r=4&ref=sports

Posted by: dclifer97 | July 30, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Red Sox cheated - http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/31/sports/baseball/31doping.html?_r=1&hp

Bring back the curse

Posted by: Kev29 | July 30, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Gonna try to sneak home to catch a few innings this afternoon,the owners son(he hates baseball) is on the desk so it should be a cinch we need to win this one, and oh yeah an informal poll; should the NL adopt the DH?

Posted by: dargregmag | July 30, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

is that a trick question?

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

cuz if it's not, I hope you aren't driving in that condition

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

should the NL adopt the DH?

Hells no! The DH is boring and inorganic. Plus, it breeds roid-heads.

Posted by: dclifer97 | July 30, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

dargregmag: Yeah, I am going to be able to catch the beginning of a game for once, instead of just the tail end, so I'm with you on skipping out.

Re: DH. Excellent topic, even though it's been around a long time. I'm really torn on it. Strange to say, I kind of like the current system where we have both, and in interleague play we get to see one system vs. the other. So, can I vote for both?

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

not that I have an opinion on the matter

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

NatsLady, I like you, but ... whhaaaat??

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Well, I think each system requires its own strategy and tactics--in drafting, in on-field decisions, etc. Variety amuses me.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

But they traded him away and now they are interested in him?

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There's "interested" and "interested in ponying up what he'd cost" -- I think the former, not the latter

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On another note, someone in Sheinin's chat noted that the Marlins were interested in Willingham. Aflac?

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 12:32 PM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 12:42 PM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

@sec3: and, (blush).

I like you, too.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

And now that we all like each other--I guess we are a major league baseball team.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

DH? We ain't got no DH. We don't need no DH! I don't have to show you any stinkin' DH!

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Wait? Manny Ortez is a juicer? He's, like, my favorite player. (not)

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm back to the anti-DH camp. I admit that I wavered during the DCE (Daniel Cabrera Era).

Posted by: Bethesdangit | July 30, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps so, but why would I want a skipper who cares more about his own survival in the short term than about the fortunes of the team in the long term? Doesn't sound very "plannish" to me.

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Riggleman may be here to play out the string this year, but you would think he at least wants to try to make the most of his chance here to either get to keep the job or have a good landing at the next place, wouldn't you? The only way to do that is to win now, and the only way to win now is to make that a priority over the long-term good of the team. He watched his predecessor making the long-term the priority over winning now, and his predecessor got canned. Of course he's gonna think he would suffer the same fate if he operates the same way.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | July 30, 2009 12:35 PM |

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I guess that ESPN needed a new story now that Favre has retired (for this week).
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Wait? Manny Ortez is a juicer? He's, like, my favorite player. (not)

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 1:06 PM

Posted by: lowcountry | July 30, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Easy does it - sofa and NatsLady. This is a public forum :)

On a more serious note - I woke up this morning thanking the baseball gods that I am not a Pirates fan. Now they are talking about Graber going to the Cubs as well. It is like rooting for a Class A team - new faces every year. Talking about "blowing up the team" makes for interesting internet chat but I wonder how many Pirates fans are just throwing in the (terrible) towel today.

I wouldn't have minded us taking a run at Sanchez though.

Posted by: lowcountry | July 30, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Except your premise if flawed, 1a. Winning now is not the only way to keep the job.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

wait a minute, 1a was replying to Carpy'sHomey, who was suggesting the Win Now scenario for Riggleman.

I gotta start reading this stuff before I reply to it...

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

"Perhaps so, but why would I want a skipper who cares more about his own survival in the short term than about the fortunes of the team in the long term? Doesn't sound very "plannish" to me."

Should have thought about that before you fired Acta.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | July 30, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"Talking about "blowing up the team" makes for interesting internet chat but I wonder how many Pirates fans are just throwing in the (terrible) towel today."

Not as many as will be the first time Milledge takes the field for them.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | July 30, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I see someone is adding to his growing list of monikers.

Posted by: Section505203 | July 30, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

And ruin our fun?
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I gotta start reading this stuff before I reply to it...

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 1:18 PM

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Especially so when they reflect upon the fact that they could have had an outfield of Bay, McCutcheon, and McClouth.
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Posted by: lowcountry | July 30, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

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Jesus Flores: The funniest guy, to me, is Ronnie Belliard. Cristian Guzman has the most cars. I consider myself to be friends with everyone on the team and try to help all of them. I'd have to say the best curveball goes to Craig Stammen.

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Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I hate when that happens.

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Should have thought about that before you fired Acta.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | July 30, 2009 1:20 PM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

New post up - Willingham was pulled from the lineup and Rizzo wants to talk to the skipper. hmmm...

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I'm in the "likes NatsLady" camp, too. :-)

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

OK, false alarm on the trade, but the new post is real.

and just when it was getting interesting with NL and 1a ... the story of my life, man...

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

LOL!

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Speed, base stealing, walks, good average hitting, with some power in the #2 spot ... mayhap?

Dukes I suspect might make the perfect #2 if he ever gets to settle in. His performance last night was stellar. Syracuse came from behind after a blown save to win, something the Nats need to learn.

Nick seems he might make a better #3 if he could get his power stroke back. Expect that to happen next year if at all. Zimm, Dunn, Willingham alternating left, right, left right. But I guess that's kind of "old school"?

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

So, why did Rizzo call Riggleman? Was it one of those "SkinNER" type of calls?

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

With Rizzo being Superintendent Chalmers, of course...hmmm...it may be that I need to get out more...

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

So, (against AL teams in their park?)
this lineup would be killer ... even with the
young pitching ...

Morgan CF LH
Dukes RF RH
Johnson 1B LH
Zimmerman 3B RH
Dunn DH LH
Willingham LF RH
Guzman SS SW
Flores C RH
Gonzalez 2B RH

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

to paraphrase freud. sometimes a post is just a post. but we often get in-depth. incohernt rambling "analysis" of the most innocuous of posts. how fortunate we at NJ are.

Posted by: surly_w | July 30, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

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