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Notes From Miller Park

Just a few mid-game notes here...

Sometimes, trades come full-circle. Since the June 30 four-player trade that brought Sean Burnett and Nyjer Morgan to D.C., Pittsburgh and Washington haven't played each other. That changes on Friday, when the Nats arrive at PNC Park for a four-game series. Even better: According to this article from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Lastings Milledge -- previously in Class AAA Indianapolis -- will debut with the Pirates just in time for the series.

Since the trade, Pittsburgh has gone into full demolition mode. Wednesday, Burnett and Morgan were in the clubhouse before a game against the Brewers when one of Pittsburgh's latest trades -- a seven-player deal that sent Jack Wilson and Ian Snell to Seattle -- was announced on the MLB Network. The television in the visiting clubhouse at Miller Park listed those players, a once-promising core, that Pittsburgh had traded in the last 1 1/2 seasons. Burnett called it "a circus."

"Actually after what's going on," Burnett said, "I'm just glad to be out of there."

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But for the fact that he cannot pitch in his home state right now, all is well for rookie right-hander Jordan Zimmermann. In each of the last two days, he's thrown in the outfield grass without pain. Saturday, for the first time since heading to the 15-day disabled list with elbow soreness, Zimmermann will throw a bullpen session.

"He's doing great," interim manager Jim Riggleman said. "We're confident that he'll be back in relatively short time. Well, I would say that he will physically be ready to pitch when the 15 days are up, but I don't know that we will do that."

Zimmermann will be eligible to come off the disabled list Aug. 7, but the team may take a conservative approach with bringing him back. Riggleman mentioned that the Nationals would like to have Zimmermann finish the season in the rotation, and if he resumes pitching in early August, he might run into the team-imposed innings ceiling before the season ends.

"We all kind of feel it would be nice for him to go from April to October pitching rather than sitting those last few weeks," Riggleman said.

By Chico Harlan  |  July 30, 2009; 2:42 PM ET
 
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Comments

Riggleman ejected? That's new.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

wow, these umps just plain suck.

Posted by: BGinVA | July 30, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Anyone watching the game? Anyone know why Riggleman was ejected? Normally I would say this is so-so, but after having Manny around it's good to see that kind of fire from the dugout.

Posted by: margkcars | July 30, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

thanks for the update Sec3. Sounds like we got hosed again

Posted by: nattaboy | July 30, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

for those of you not on live feed, Hernandez fouled off a strike 2 pitch, and Joe West called it a strikeout, said he didn't foul it. Charlie and Dave said it was unabiguously fouled into the dirt. Riggleman came out to ask WTF and "get help" -- West said no, so Riggleman walked out the 3rd base up to ask him, himself. That'll do it every time.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 2:49 PM |

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"YOU HAVE NO INTEGRITY" -Rigs the bench coach :)

Posted by: nattaboy | July 30, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Umps: 0 for 2.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

With 2 outs, on a wild pitch Nieves went to second, Nieves (and Charlie and Dave) said Counsel never tagged him, but he was out anyway.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

""YOU HAVE NO INTEGRITY" -Rigs the bench coach :)

Posted by: nattaboy"

No, that was Eckstein the hitting coach.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | July 30, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

dang FLop

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Somewhere, Manny is thinking "I TOLD you so."

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

More sauce for the goose ... get the Natty types a bit fired up ... c'mon JD keep it up!!

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

rat farts.

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Good inning blue. Blew two calls and ejected one correct manager.

Posted by: curz | July 30, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

They have fireworks INSIDE the roof??? Where is their fire commisioner?

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

and it got the wrong team fired up, too, apparently ...

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

That changeup isn't going to work today ...

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Somewhere, Manny is thinking, "How do I make this Nationals money last for the rest of my life? I need to find some unreal investment opportunities."

Posted by: RickFelt | July 30, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

All right, JD. It's not the end of the world. Keep your cool and give us some more good innings. (Put your ladles away, people!)

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Nyjer's up. Another hit.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

So who's managing these guys now? Corrales?

Posted by: cdstej | July 30, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

nyjer 2 for 2. now let's do something with a lead off single

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Kind of like to have Willingham at least at DH right about now.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

corrales has the con.

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Interesting how Riggleman follows the old conventions ... putting the left handed outfielder, Dunn in right, and the right handed guy Harris in left.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Don't they know Nyjer doesn't care 2 pins about mud?!!! The dirtier the better. His drycleaner must make a FORTUNE.

oooo, Sunshine is really on Gonzalez' case.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Morgan may get caught a lot but he sure knows how to distract the pitcher and throw him off of his game.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Kendall - shut your piehole

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Dunn and Harris are BOTH righthanded throwers.

Posted by: leetee1955 | July 30, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

45 Nats stolen bases, 32 by Nyjer.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm ready for Ian Desmond ...

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Might be time for Gonzalez to work it out in AAA. Like how to get the bat off his shoulder.

Posted by: curz | July 30, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"Dunn and Harris are BOTH righthanded throwers.

Posted by: leetee1955"

Really, I thought Dunn was a lefty all around ... yeah Nick and Morgan are true lefties ...

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I think they should work a trade[s] for Gonzalez, Hernandez, and Belliard. Might as well bring up Dukes, Padilla and Desmond.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Adam Dunn
Adam Troy Dunn
Bats: Left , Throws: Right

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Never mind the DH for pitchers, we need it for position players.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Dunn in right instead of Harris? He must have the better arm then?

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

When in doubt consult the team web site, ESPN.com or SI.com.

Posted by: leetee1955 | July 30, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Can we get another ejection?

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Joe West ≠ Nats Friend

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I think Joe West is pi$$ed at the Nats. Just a hunch.

Posted by: BGinVA | July 30, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

At this point Willingham looks to be the better #4 hitting behind Nick. Followed by Dunn, then Zimmerman.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Zim!

Take that!

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

OK ZIMM!!!! We SHALL overcome.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Zimmerman says "f u joe west"!!!

Posted by: curz | July 30, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Yay Zimm!!!!

Posted by: BGinVA | July 30, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

OH YEAH!!! Zimm comes through with #19. Make it 20 Zimm!

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

ZIMM PLEASE MARRY ME.

Posted by: margkcars | July 30, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

why should anyone be surprised? dunn doesn't play for syracuse.

Posted by: surly_w | July 30, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Ideally, Nick is #2 and Zim is 3, Dunn 4 and Wham 5.

Zimm is the future and should get the at bats. He's having a breakout year and should be kept at the top of the order.

Posted by: hoo93 | July 30, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Zim in the 6 hole? I think he answered for himself with the 3-run blast he just hit.

Posted by: sec307 | July 30, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

So, you want to trade 3 middle infielders and bring up 2 outfielders and a SS?

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think they should work a trade[s] for Gonzalez, Hernandez, and Belliard. Might as well bring up Dukes, Padilla and Desmond.

Posted by: periculum

Posted by: comish4lif | July 30, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

They have fireworks INSIDE the roof??? Where is their fire commisioner?

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse
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They'd better hope Dennis Rubin never goes to a game there...

Posted by: BGinVA | July 30, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"why should anyone be surprised? dunn doesn't play for syracuse.

Posted by: surly_w | July 30, 2009"

Yeah, surly_w is actually Max Klinger rooting for the Toledo MudHens.


Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I was afraid Prince might do that...

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

JD you've got to keep those pitches down ...

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Way to shrug off the HR JD.

JD Martin graduates! JD Martin graduates!!

Posted by: curz | July 30, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

JD FLA is next ... get the adrenalin/testosterone under control!!!

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

The brew crew are cool team. Great city, great park, great name, great players, great sausage races, great announcer. Fun series so far with the close games and Nats hitting.

Let's win it - c'mon bullpen. 3 series' in a row would be schweet

Posted by: nattaboy | July 30, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Wonder who #40 is going to be on the 40-man? Any word on that?

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Ironic headline on MLB.com

West works 4,000th game as umpire

And probably his worst.

Posted by: leetee1955 | July 30, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

> Wonder who #40 is going to be on the 40-man? Any word on that?

It is not required that there be exactly 40 players on the 40 man roster. Just a maximum of 40. They may not fill out the 40-man roster until just prior to the Rule 5 draft in December.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | July 30, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

FLop. Oh no.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I think FLop is mad at the Nats.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

F U, Felipe.

Posted by: BGinVA | July 30, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

phewwwwwwww ......

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I love listening on the radio to the roller-coaster rise of anticipation in the crowd on a fly ball, only to sink back down as Nyjer catches the ball...
The man-crush continues...

Posted by: HotNats | July 30, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Morgan 3 for 3. Scary good!!!!!!!

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

OK, Gonz. About time.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

No K for Gonzalez. =0

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Ian Desmond time.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

How can nyjer not be player of the month!?!?!!?

Unstoppable!!

Posted by: curz | July 30, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Scratch that ... I like the small ball !!!!

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I love listening on the radio to the roller-coaster rise of anticipation in the crowd on a fly ball, only to sink back down as Nyjer catches the ball...
The man-crush continues...

Posted by: HotNats | July 30, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse
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It IS great to listen to the game on the radio. reminds me of falling to sleep listening to Harry Kalas as a stripling.

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

oof. That one hurts, Slick

Posted by: nattaboy | July 30, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Listening to the Bob Uecker feed on MLB audio. Just a bit outside...

Posted by: comish4lif | July 30, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Does Nyjer steal home since there's nobody behind him to get 'er done???

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Way to strand Morgan yet again!!!

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

@intrudr: worth a try. Zimm brought him in with the HR, but other than that, he's on his own.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I do wonder why they don't consider the suicide squeeze with Nyjer; especially if Guz is NOT hitting behind him. He get such a good jump, it seems worth the risk.

Posted by: cdstej | July 30, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I love listening on the radio to the roller-coaster rise of anticipation in the crowd on a fly ball, only to sink back down as Nyjer catches the ball...
The man-crush continues...

Posted by: HotNats | July 30, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse
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And Again!!!

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Nyjer Morgan for July's Player of the Month?

Here's the numbers:
13 steals in 17 attempts
Avg/OBP/SLG: .389/.416/.484 - strong
6 extra base hits
In CF: 5 assists and 58 putouts. 1 error.

Posted by: comish4lif | July 30, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

For anyone who's watching the live feed or the actual game: I'm watching MLB Gameday and the pitches that West calls strikes are all over the place. Thoughts?

Posted by: margkcars | July 30, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

almost 80 pitches looks like JD will make it to the seventh.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

@Periculum
Shhhh!

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I think they just need the right #2 hitter behind Morgan. It does seem as if Dukes might be the perfect choice if he cleans up his act in Syracuse?
The two together could really stir up the soup for the middle of the lineup cleanup hitters.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

You could drive a truck through Joe West's strike zone this afternoon.

:(

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Josh Willingham for July's Player of the Month?

Here's the numbers:
2 steals in 2 attempts
Avg/OBP/SLG: .322/.412/.655 - strong
15 extra base hits
No defense available on a month by month basis. Morgan numbers are his Nats numbers in CF.

Posted by: comish4lif | July 30, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

West's called strikes are all over the place. He may be umpiring his 4,000th game but he still sucks.

Posted by: BGinVA | July 30, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Gallardo's pitch count is up over 100; good inning for a KO.

Posted by: slewis1 | July 30, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know where you can find a hitter's strikeouts broken down by swinging vs. called? Seems like Zimm takes a lot of called 3rd strikes and I'm just wondering if that's really the case.

Posted by: slewis1 | July 30, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Darned, JD's pitch count is lower but it looks like those pitches are starting to come up again.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Get out the fork.

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

The hook is out.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Jeez, I wish we had a bullpen.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Per Chico's gamer: let's hope the 7th isn't the new 6th

Posted by: nattaboy | July 30, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"Death By Joe West"

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I agree Nats_Lady. Going into the bottom innings tied 3-3 with our bullpen at the "ready" does not inspire much confidence.

Posted by: margkcars | July 30, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Sheeesh ..........

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

The Nats are getting HOSED big time!

Posted by: leetee1955 | July 30, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Catching 101: block the plate.

Posted by: curz | July 30, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Of course as soon as I say that, it's 4-3.

Posted by: margkcars | July 30, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

If by Hosed you mean 'not making the play'. Oh jesus where art though?

Posted by: GoNatsTerps | July 30, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

If Rizzo stays I truly believe they will have a reasonably good bullpen by then ... and a real closer in 1st round Zimm-like draft pick Drew Storen.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Ohhh he threw home. Nieves dropped it? Got ran over? No error assessed...

Posted by: nattaboy | July 30, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

and the unraveling continues...

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

so THIS is where the april-july nats have been hiding for the past few days?

Posted by: surly_w | July 30, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Hernandez = AAA

Posted by: curz | July 30, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

the meltdown continues...

Posted by: BGinVA | July 30, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Nieves let the guy slide thru his legs, so he missed the tag. That's why there's no error.

Posted by: sec307 | July 30, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

and no error on AH since you cannot assume a DP.

Posted by: BGinVA | July 30, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Well at least they didn't walk anyone home. ONE walk and it was intentional. Middle infield is still a problem, they need guys who can field as in turn double plays, and hit I imagine.

Its not April->All Star. Its still improved.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or does Hernandez have concentration lapses in the field at the absolute worst times? He's showing why he's been nailed to the bench.

Posted by: leetee1955 | July 30, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

It is time to field a major league club.

Nieves, hernandez and Gonzalez have all blown this game, they should be learning in AAA how to advance a runner, block the plate, and turn the double play.

Posted by: curz | July 30, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Desmond looks ready now.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Belly up to he dish

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Mebbe they should look at Victor Martinez as a half-time catcher? They need a second baseman, yet again, still. That's another trade? Perhaps they can manage a shortstop or two from among Desmond, Gonzalez, and Guzman.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Well, at least we still win the series. 2 games to the Nats, 1 to the Brew Crew and 1 to Joe West.

Posted by: BGinVA | July 30, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Burnett again or Villone?

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I meant to say Villone ...

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

or Clippard again.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

mike rizzo: hello, mark? i'm calling to see what you want for victor martinez.

mark shapiro: depends. what have you got to offer?

mike rizzo: i have lots of inventory in syracuse.

mark shapiro: goodbye, mr. funny man.

Posted by: surly_w | July 30, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"Well at least they didn't walk anyone home. ONE walk and it was intentional. "

Just a wild pitch

Posted by: Section506 | July 30, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

OK....on the foul tip ejection....I was watching the Brewers feed on TV and Bruce Froemming was the 4th inning guest. On the out call, he thinks it was that the bat was thrown at the ball - result - strike 3. He didn't need any help on the call.

Posted by: cokedispatch | July 30, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

This is just like a Sergio Leone spaghetti western.

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

coked, could you elaborate? Does a foul not count if he does that ("in the umpire's estimation")?

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

"This is just like a Sergio Leone spaghetti western. "

Nah, there's way too much action...

Posted by: Section506 | July 30, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

well, it keeps the pitch count down that way.

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"Well at least they didn't walk anyone home. ONE walk and it was intentional. "

Just a wild pitch

Posted by: Section506 | July 30, 2009 4:36 PM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

@section506

In the movies or this game?!?!

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

and the music is nowhere near as good.

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"This is just like a Sergio Leone spaghetti western. "
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Nah, there's way too much action...
Posted by: Section506 | July 30, 2009 4:40 PM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

DUM-dum dum DUM
("one WALK -- wild PITCH")

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

"mike rizzo: hello, mark? i'm calling to see what you want for victor martinez.

mark shapiro: depends. what have you got to offer?

mike rizzo: i have lots of inventory in syracuse.

mark shapiro: goodbye, mr. funny man.

Posted by: surly_w | July 30, 2009"

You're as stranded as Nyger Morgan aren't you? Still stuck to the toilet bowl dude? Next time buy paper before you poop.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I think Froemming is full of..., is incorrect and trying to cover for Joe West. Hernandez seemed to still have control of the bat when he swung and hit the ball.

Joe West is just continuing a long and distinguished career as one of the laziest, most arrogant umpires in the history of the game. When he retires, he will not be missed.

Posted by: baltova1 | July 30, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Round em up boys it's

DFA FRIDAY!!!

Posted by: CBinDC | July 30, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

And surly_w do something about those "washout" hemorrhoids ...

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

On to play what's left of the Pittsburgh Pirates. Speaking of which, my brother and I are headed up the Steel City for Saturday's game. Is there anyone who's been to PNC park that can offer any advice? Thanks in advance.

Posted by: BGinVA | July 30, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm,the Nats just continue to justify the median. Lots of upside and of course tons of downside. Guess we got to see plenty of both over the past 72 hours. Oh well on to Pittsburgh and lets win there.

Posted by: TippyCanoe | July 30, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

And surly_w do something about those "washout" hemorrhoids ...

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse
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now what did you have to go and do that for? Just when everybody was getting along so well.

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Surely they need Storen sooner rather than later ... and I'm guessing that is what he wants.

Hmmm Victor Martinez? How about Detwiler, Martis, Desmond, Estrada just in Syracuse. They also have a guy in A named Derek Norris that the Indians might be interest in ...

Unfortunately, Surly_w pencil heads hardly ever use their brains for something besides a surl_w hat rack!

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"now what did you have to go and do that for? Just when everybody was getting along so well.

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009"

Dude, you haven't been reading have you? He asked for and I am always happy to oblige ... :)

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Didn't training camp start today? Go back to RI.

Posted by: Section506 | July 30, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I know Ray Knight is saying nice things about Martin right now and all the strikes he's throwing, but the problem is the other team is hitting a lot of those strikes. peiriculum, please don't bring up the lack of walks. Opponents came in hitting .385 off of him and "only" hit .280 today. But he still gave up five runs in six plus. That's just not good enough. It looks like no matter how good his curve ball is, and it's good, they can sit there and hit the fastball. Maybe things will get better but I'm not very optimistic.

Posted by: baltova1 | July 30, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

don't want to go out on a limb, but it seems clear the Nats have three second baseman who aren't worth spit right now.

Posted by: nats24 | July 30, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

holding back mike morse and ian desmond?

Posted by: surly_w | July 30, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"holding back mike morse and ian desmond?

Posted by: surly_w | July 30, 2009"

They might consider trading that Hemorrhoid cream just to shut you up.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

to be informed is to know.

to be uninformed is to be periculum.

Posted by: surly_w | July 30, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"don't want to go out on a limb, but it seems clear the Nats have three second baseman who aren't worth spit right now.

Posted by: nats24 | July 30, 2009"

Bowden's gone through more than a few. Guess that's why they drafted one at #2.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

By the way, our catchers stink defensively. Neither Bard nor Nieves (who? Wil Nieves!) blocks the plate properly. It almost cost them with Bard the other night and it cost the Nats a run today.

Jesus, come back soon...

Posted by: baltova1 | July 30, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Dude, you haven't been reading have you? He asked for and I am always happy to oblige ... :)

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse
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Don't see how the surly_w phone call satire earned that scatological response.
BTW - Nyjer's first name is spelled with a J not a G.

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

"to be informed is to know.

to be uninformed is to be periculum.

Posted by: surly_w | July 30, 2009"

surly_w if at first you don't succeed skydiving is not for you.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of which, my brother and I are headed up the Steel City for Saturday's game. Is there anyone who's been to PNC park that can offer any advice?

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Yeah, don't sit near the Pirates dugout. You might get traded.

Posted by: baltova1 | July 30, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

This is only an anecdotal thought: is it harder to find middle infielders than other positions? They have to be a perfect combination of speed, fielding talent, and hitting talent. Only centerfield seems as athletically demanding (I know, it's all demanding, but this is relatively speaking). You can be a more lopsided player at any of the other positions.

Posted by: Section506 | July 30, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Yep.

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and it got the wrong team fired up, too, apparently ...

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 2:57 PM |

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Sheesh! 5 hits - 3 by Morgan. Maybe we should deal for the Pirates hitting instructors.

I didn't see the game, but listening to Charlie and Dave methinks Joe West may have started celebrating a wee bit early this morning.

Posted by: lowcountry | July 30, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

@periculum
you were quite pleasant during the game. it was nice. Sorry to see the return to ad hominems.

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

"Don't see how the surly_w phone call satire earned that scatological response."

3 years olds like surly_w think that's funny.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Loved this, NatsLady.

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Don't they know Nyjer doesn't care 2 pins about mud?!!! The dirtier the better. His drycleaner must make a FORTUNE.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

"@periculum
you were quite pleasant during the game. it was nice. Sorry to see the return to ad hominems.

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009"

Mayhap, you should be asking "others" to cease with the ad nauseums.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Mayhap, you should be asking "others" to cease with the ad nauseums.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse
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how does a repetitive complaint or opinion earn a personal attack in response? non sequitar.

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

intrudr

anytime his lack of knowledge and depth about baseball gets exposed, he gets testy. FYI i am not WashOut. i posted long before WashOut.

Posted by: surly_w | July 30, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Apparently one was available yesterday for the price of a double A pitcher . . .
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This is only an anecdotal thought: is it harder to find middle infielders than other positions? They have to be a perfect combination of speed, fielding talent, and hitting talent. Only centerfield seems as athletically demanding (I know, it's all demanding, but this is relatively speaking). You can be a more lopsided player at any of the other positions.

Posted by: Section506 | July 30, 2009 5:03 PM |

Posted by: lowcountry | July 30, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Except for McDougal, I think the pitching has improved ... I hesitate to say dramatically because just when you think they have ...

In any case McDougal is going to be replaced by Storen ... I guess he is going to jump former 1st round pick Everts.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

@surly - I know you're not WashOut. I thought he was going for a two-fer since they were getting into it the other day. Adios.

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Well intrudr ... you should be reading the litanies and epistles of surly_w, I am sure he knows a hell uv a lot more than Rizzo, Riggleman and anyone else on the planet about baseball. Right surly_w? WashOut?

Oh and by-the-way, Trevor Holder from UGA, the guy you thought was such a terrible pick just got promoted to Potomac.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Just go back to ignoring him.

Posted by: Section506 | July 30, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmmm the Baltomures send Sherril to LAD....Hmmmmmm

Posted by: CBinDC | July 30, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

"Just go back to ignoring him.

Posted by: Section506 | July 30, 2009"

Its always fun dealing with 4 year olds.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Good one, baltova.

And what 506 said.

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Yeah, don't sit near the Pirates dugout. You might get traded.

Posted by: baltova1 | July 30, 2009 5:03 PM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

i don't knpow any more about baseball than i ACTUALLY know. i've studied this game for more than 30 years and don't pretend to know more than i do. nor do i obsessively god up itinerant minor leaguers who neither you nor i have most likely ever seen. i don't make know-it-all statements based on minor league stats and boxscores. i don't obsessively latch onto translating minoe league performnce to the majors. you're a bloviating fraud. the emeperor has no clothes.

Posted by: surly_w | July 30, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

"Good one, baltova.

And what 506 said."

Ummm natsfan1a1, I think I made it clear that I wasn't interested in joining the KlubHowse clique you have here.

However, I note that some of my comments and factoids sometimes end up as parts of Chico's posts.

Basically, you can go to hell, and the sooner the better.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Surly W, shhhhh. You can never build up any form of respect from him, and you can only hurt your already high standing with us.

Posted by: Section506 | July 30, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

506

thanx for the kind words. i'm standing down.

Posted by: surly_w | July 30, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

"i don't obsessively latch onto translating minoe league performnce to the majors. you're a bloviating fraud. the emeperor has no clothes."

If we follow your skewed, non-sequitor logic when it comes to baseball guys like Nyjer Morgan would not be playing for the Nats. Storen and Holder would not have been drafted.

Personally, you appear to have learned about baseball by playing strat-o-matic baseball for thirty years as opposed to actually playing the game surly_w.

Attitude, work ethic, desire have to always come first. Its nice to have talent and natural physical skill but they don't amount to anything without the grit that guys like Morgan, JD Martin, and yes Morse show.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm really not sure about that rule, but it was the explanation surmised by Froemming, so I'd guess that if you throw the bat at the ball, it's a strike whether it hits it or not. I personally think the bat didn't leave his hands til after it contacted the ball. I still don't understand West not going to another umpire for confirmation of what he thought he saw. The object afterall is to get it right. I can see more replay talks this off season perhaps leading to more use of it.

Posted by: cokedispatch | July 30, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

"is it harder to find middle infielders than other positions?"

506, is this a trick question? I mean, seriously, how could the answer be anything but yes?

Posted by: Scooter_ | July 30, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

"Surly W, shhhhh. You can never build up any form of respect from him, and you can only hurt your already high standing with us.

Posted by: Section506 | July 30, 2009"

Hmmm Klubhowse Clique ... guess you'll be watching High School Musical for the 100th time tonight.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Peri,

Get a grip dude. You're the common denominator here. A lot of people here have a problem with you and they way you come at them.

Perhaps you should look in the mirror.


Posted by: Section505203 | July 30, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

or get some therapy.

Posted by: surly_w | July 30, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Had to step out for a few minutes. Don't need to look at the score. I can tell by the coherence of the recent posts on here what the result was.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

"Perhaps you should look in the mirror.


Posted by: Section505203 | July 30, 2009"

Hmmm, first I think there is definitely a common denominator of people who seem to have this notion or belief that they must prove me wrong?
Patronize, or denigrate me. Thus "clique".

I'm not sure why ... ~smiles~ but I try to have fun with it. My sense of humor, of the "alt.flame" genre may not always ingratiate me but as you can see I really don't care. I can fling clever and less-than-clever flames with the best of 'em. :)

I really do like what Baltova1 and Outsider6 have to say. Chico as well. I believe that by sometimes throwing out random anomalies, even if they don't make sense you can learn things in this virtual Sargasso. The NFA guy is really pretty good too. They make me think.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I can tell by the coherence of the recent posts on here what the result was.
Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 5:36 PM
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Seriously? You're apparently able to slice degrees of coherence a lot more finely than I.

Posted by: Scooter_ | July 30, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

"or get some therapy.

Posted by: surly_w | July 30, 2009"

Dude ask your attendant for a new wheel chair, your
hemorrhoids appear to be acting up again.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Well, when the Nats win, everyone tears at Manny. When the Nats lose, they tear at Manny AND each other.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

"Seriously? You're apparently able to slice degrees of coherence a lot more finely than I.

Posted by: Scooter_ | July 30, 2009"

Are you seriously asking for coherence from this endless murky chasm of a Sargasso? The Internet? Only if you bring Vanevar Bush back from the dead.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Bad umpires, no pitching bullpen, no hitting (except for Morgan), can't field. Nobody on this team should feel safe except Morgan, Lannan and Stammen! Everybody else should be trade bait. Look at our 2-4 batting line up. How many Ohfers were there? They just suck. Perfect middle of the plate pitches were just looked at.
I have a question. Since the gnats opposing pitchers usually throw first pitch strikes in the middle of the plate, why don't any of the gnats think they can hit the first pitch?

Posted by: M20832 | July 30, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

"Well, when the Nats win, everyone tears at Manny. When the Nats lose, they tear at Manny AND each other.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009"

I guess we are all tired of losing ... and seeing that some players don't appear to care ... however, that has become much less prevalent with the arrival of Captain Morgan.

I think the glass is now half-full instead of half-empty, and that includes the minors. For that I am grateful.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Are you seriously asking for coherence from this endless murky chasm of a Sargasso? The Internet? Only if you bring Vanevar Bush back from the dead.

I don't know who Vanevar Bush is, but if he can pitch, play 2B, SS or catcher, I'm in favor of bringing him back...

Posted by: baltova1 | July 30, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but how long is the good Captain going to play his heart out for this bunch?

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

M20832:

I think its more middle infield; bullpen: lack of a true closer and only "reasonable" holders in Burnett and Beimel. The rest are all works in progress.

If you swing on the first pitch and hit it into an out you lower the opposing pitcher's pitch count. A good at bat is one in which you work the pitcher's pitch count high for the next batter. Watch how Morgan works the pitcher when he is on base. Drawing all of those throws may be akin to adding to the pitch count and certainly can rattle some pitchers.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Vanevar Bush
1890-1974), American scientist, educator, and administrator. While at Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) Bush invented the differential analyzer, a device for rapidly and automatically solving complex mathematical problems and a forerunner of the modern computer.
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Looks like he might be good up the middle.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

@ 506 - Not sure if it is harder to find middle infielders who can just acceptably field the position, but probably much harder to find middle infielders who can acceptably field the position AND have well-rounded other baseball skills. As you point out, you can be more lopsided at other positions. So, presumably the universe great-hitting, acceptable-fielding first baseman is a lot bigger than the universe of great-hitting, acceptable-fielding middle infielders, because middle infielding is itself much more difficult and the number of people who have that skill plus other skills is much smaller.

Were you getting at something else, though? Like, I've wondered whether it is more difficult to find an all-hit, no-glove first baseman than an all-glove, no-hit middle infielder.

Posted by: Section220 | July 30, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

After 102 games:

Zimm on pace for 30HR/105 RBI
Dunn on pace for 41HR/118 RBI

Posted by: OutsideTheLaw | July 30, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

The Post "enforcement" of rules governing commentaries and discussions is a joke. That is all.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

@ 1a1 - This is possibly the dumbest question ever posed on this forum, but have you reported abuse on this? I hope so. I have, and I would encourage like-minded folks to do the same.

Cynically assuming that this does not result in a remedy, I think the only reasonable recourse is to self-police. Given what is obviously a screaming need for attention, I'd say ignoring all of his posts, which is really tough to do sometimes, is the way to go.

Anyway, for what it's worth, I hope you won't let it get you down, because we'd all be the poorer for that. Cheers.

Posted by: Section220 | July 30, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

something we learned a long time ago, 1a. At least 0's Ex knew something about baseball, and would on rare occasions write about it. Not that I miss him--as Tony Montana said, "I never liked that guy."

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

"You know the way to stop me -- but you don't have the discipline."

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

and with that, we go to Chico Harlan in Newpostville ... take it away, Chico.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Agreed 220 and sec3, and thank you. I have used that function on rare occasions and do not believe that it has any effect. Hence my whinging.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

If you swing on the first pitch and hit it into an out you lower the opposing pitcher's pitch count. A good at bat is one in which you work the pitcher's pitch count high for the next batter. Watch how Morgan works the pitcher when he is on base. Drawing all of those throws may be akin to adding to the pitch count and certainly can rattle some pitchers.

I understand that, however with these bums and their losing record, it seems like they are waiting for a certain pitch to hit, then usually strike out. It's just aggravating to see this kind of performance.
The look on Zimmermann's face at a called third strike by West showed me he blamed West, but when MASN showed the pitch replay with the strike zone box, it was clearly a strike.
Gonzles and Hernandez suck, Nieves doesn't know how to guard the plate...and on and on...

Posted by: M20832 | July 31, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

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