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Olsen Has "Labrum Issues"

Scott Olsen came to the Washington Nationals this offseason with a track record for durability. But now, just 11 starts and 62-2/3 innings into his 2009 season, Olsen won't get a chance to pitch again for quite some time -- perhaps for the rest of the season. Already on the disabled list because of soreness in his left shoulder, Olsen found out on Monday, after visiting with orthopedist James Andrews, that his injury is more serious than initially believed.

Though the Nationals have not yet released official word about the injury -- medical regulations require that the team must consult with the player before revealing information -- Olsen's MRI revealed "some labrum issues," interim manager Jim Riggleman said.

"Just from hearing the word 'labrum,'" Riggleman added, "to me, that tells you it's going to be a while before he pitches."

Olsen's season has been a progression of setbacks. Armed with diminished velocity from the start of spring training, Olsen pitched poorly in his first eight starts (7.24 ERA) before landing on the disabled list in mid-May with left shoulder tendinitis. Olsen returned to the rotation at the end of June, declaring himself fit, and for the next three outings he even looked the part. But he returned from the all-star break complaining of soreness in his left lat muscle. Turns out, that was a precursor to a bigger problem.

For the moment, the extent of Olsen's labrum injury is unknown, and Riggleman was uncertain if the 25-year-old might require further medical procedures. A full labral tear is arguably the most serious injury a pitcher can endure, often requiring at least a year of rehab. Minor labral injuries, however, can be overcome without surgery.

A team spokesman said right before Monday's game that an update on Olsen's condition could come later in the evening. I'll keep you posted.


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Following a week in which he hit .500 (12-for-24) with one homer, 4 RBI and eight runs scored, 2006 first-round pick Chris Marrero, currently playing with Class A Potomac, was named Carolina League player of the week. The 21-year-old, batting .303 for the season with 13 homers, leads the league with 99 hits.

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Relief pitcher Logan Kensing, back in the big leagues after a two-month stint with Class AAA Syracuse, walked into the clubhouse on Monday to find a new manager, a new pitching coach, and few remaining teammates from the bullpen he contributed to in early May. "Obviously there's some new stuff going on," Kensing said.

He hopes that verdict applies to more that his surroundings. During his first opportunity with Washington, Kensing was rocked, allowing 10 runs in five innings. "I had a few bad appearances and it just kind of snowballed," Kensing said. "My first two outings were tough, and after that, mentally, I was a midget." And now? "I mean, there's a big difference," he said. "I just had to get some mental things back together, kind of reboot."

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Oh, and Ryan Zimmerman is just getting a standard day off. Same with Willingham. The Nats don't have an off day until August 10, and during that span, Riggleman plans to rest every one of his regulars at least once.

By Chico Harlan  |  July 20, 2009; 6:53 PM ET
 
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repost: didn't see anything as to why Zim is out of the lineup. Anyone know?

Posted by: joemktg1 | July 20, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Zim: labrum issues ... :)

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

This brings to mind the signing of Brian Lawrence, a pitcher who had been durable & consistent, until he got to WSH; He came to ST in 2007 (IIRC) & never threw an inning with the big club due to injury. I hope Olsen can eventually get healthy, but I've got a bad feeling about this.

Posted by: BinM | July 20, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Just came home, turned on the TV, 4-0. Wow. Just, wow. Welcome home, Nationals fans!

Posted by: Section220 | July 20, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Lawrence had a torn Labrum AND a torn rotater cuff. I think you could say his shoulder exploded. ;) Anyone else starting to wonder about the Nats medical and training staffs???

Posted by: chris88 | July 20, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Make that 5 to zip. Looks like that's it for Martin. At least he didn't walk anyone.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Bard blew the tag at home. He was out in front of the plate. If he lets that perfect one hopper that Morgan gave him come to him instead going out to get it, that is an easy out at home.

Posted by: chris88 | July 20, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I think we've got a legitimate shot at 120 losses :(

Posted by: Kev29 | July 20, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

the washington nationals...the team that keeps on giving. the welcome wagon park mojo is in full effect tonight.

Posted by: surly_w | July 20, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for neglecting the Zim update. And thanks for the heads-up, joe. i updated the post. it's just your standard-issue off day for zim.

Posted by: Chico Harlan | July 20, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone else starting to wonder about the Nats medical and training staffs???"

Physicians and trainers, No: Jim Bowden, yes.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

I can see Riggleman really fired them up after yesterday's debacle. Why do I watch ? not sure. We need something to wake the Nats up. How about a coach actually arguing with the ump, maybe get tossed. Show some fire. Watching Dunn lackadaisically hit into a double play in the first is a great example of the Nats lack of key hits.

Posted by: JT2009 | July 20, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

We've heard a lot from some folks here (yeah, I'm talking about you, periculum) about the great stats of some of the Nats' minor league players. We just got a sad lesson on the difference between doing well in the minors and doing well in the bigs. Hopefully, it won't be a continuing lesson for Martin and he'll do better next time. But take those minor league numbers with a grain (or bucket) of salt.

But not to worry, the rally is about to start. Kearns is up....

Posted by: baltova1 | July 20, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

@periculum: JD Martin - 2.0IP, 50 pitches, 7 hits, 5ER, 1K. I hoped he'd be better than this, but he is what he is (a AAA pitcher). I can't even listen to this game, given the start.

G'night, Gracie.

Posted by: BinM | July 20, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Nats, I'm bailing early tonight, I can't watch another blowout. Bartender, bourbon, neat, with a water back, please.

Posted by: Section220 | July 20, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

220, get me one. I'll go get some pretzels.

Posted by: baltova1 | July 20, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

the trouble with the internet is that anybody who can access minor league stats thinks they're jim callis or keith law and extrapolates a major league performance. cold stats don't take into account who was in the lineups martin faced, was he allowed to work into and out of his own jams, how much run support his teammates gave him...etc. remember people, martin was 8-3 in TRIPLE-A and averaged less than five innings per start.

Posted by: surly_w | July 20, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

"We've heard a lot from some folks here (yeah, I'm talking about you, periculum) about the great stats of some of the Nats' minor league players. We just got a sad lesson on the difference between doing well in the minors and doing well in the bigs."

Not an auspicious start. The difference between Martin and some other guys (including Olsen) who started off with terrible stats: NO WALKS, at least so far.

Walks are what got this team so far behind then eight ball. He's only 26. This was his very first year in AAA. This is his very first exposure to the majors.

Garret Mock looked pretty bad in the last outing as well.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

"the trouble with the internet is that anybody who can access minor league stats thinks they're jim callis or keith law and extrapolates a major league performance."

Do they take into account less than stellar fielding at a major league level? How would say a Jamie Moyer do in Washington? Given the fielding or lack thereof.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Still no walks ... even knowing what all the "pundits" here on NI and out there are saying with a 5-0 deficit.

Given what happened to almost every pitcher on this team during the vast chasm of losing ... where once they got in trouble the walks came?

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey, all you JD Martin lovers out there. You never mentioned one thing about him while you were promoting him to Cy Young status:
He's a right-handed Mike Bacsik.

Ladies and gents, I'm bailing. Can't watch any longer. Going bowling. Careful driving home: 26-and-66 and you can suck on it and like it.

Posted by: jdschulz50 | July 20, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

@Section 220: Make it a double, straight up. On me.

Posted by: jdschulz50 | July 20, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Um, periculum, it's kind of hard to walk guys when they're busy smacking the ball all over the field. Just saying.

I really hope the guy does well, but a little realism would be helpful here.

Posted by: baltova1 | July 20, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Forget it, 220. I'm going bowling with jdschulz50 instead...

Posted by: baltova1 | July 20, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

three back to back to back weak grounders to the mound. At least Nick struck out. Come on Nats - we can score eventually !!!!

Posted by: JT2009 | July 20, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

jd

that's what i meant by my earlier post. unless someone has seen all 15 of martin's starts for the chiefs, his triple-a stats are meaningless on the major league level. dominating lehigh valley or scranton-wilkes barre means NOTHING on the major league level especially when it seems martin's stuff may be a little short. it wasn't a shot against you, periculum but why would a pitching-deficient organization like the indians give up on martin?

Posted by: surly_w | July 20, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

BTW, with Mock and Martin getting a shot ahead of him, has Balester fallen into prospect limbo? You got the sense from the spring training reporting that Balester had lost some value in their eyes, but he's having a pretty good stretch in Syracuse (I know, I know, those dreaded minor league stats).

I wonder if, now that it looks like Olsen is going to be out for a while, the Nats will now give Balester a chance. Might as well keep the revolving door moving.

Posted by: baltova1 | July 20, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Martin's starting to settle down. Still no base-on-balls NO WALKS which is what got him here.
Hernandez 6 ground outs 2 fly outs 1 strike out.
Martin 9 ground outs 2 fly outs 1 strike out.


Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Is AK over the Mendoza line now??? Unbelievable!

Posted by: chris88 | July 20, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Ha how are they not gonna score this time.

Posted by: amorris525 | July 20, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

if martin's stuff is a short as it's seemed so far, it doesn't matter that he hasn't walked anyone. the mets are squarin' him up and gripping and ripping. new york isn't going to give back those five run and eight hits because martin hasn't walked a batter.

Posted by: surly_w | July 20, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

"but why would a pitching-deficient organization like the indians give up on martin?"

Injuries. This was his very first full year in about 2-3. Very little time in AAA. Each year back from the surgery he improved. This year in Syracuse was his best improvement.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

YAY! Runs for!

Posted by: amorris525 | July 20, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

"new york isn't going to give back those five run and eight hits because martin hasn't walked a batter."

Maybe not. But he is maintaining control, and consistency. Keeping in mind that his Syracuse club is a far better fielding club than the Nats. Far, far better.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Amazing !!!! a key hit with 2 outs.

Posted by: JT2009 | July 20, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

he's getting lit up like a cheap cuban stogie.

Posted by: surly_w | July 20, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Wasted pinch hit opportunity by Gonzalez.

Now let's see how the vaunted relief staff does.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Balester gave up 14 hits in his last start, a good reason for leaving him with Syracuse,

Posted by: Tom261 | July 20, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Clippard: 2 balls to start.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Cubs made last weekend the high point of their season. Getting walloped in Philly tonight.

Posted by: Kev29 | July 20, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

JD Martin, soft tosser. Send him back and bring up Bally Star. At least he throws mid 90's. He can make a mistake and get away with it.

Posted by: Section505203 | July 20, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

You'll see Martin again.

Balester and Martis are really pretty young. The fact they have already risen to AAA and already spent time in the majors is pretty good.

Can't wait to see what el-primo prospect Strasberg does. Probably lay an egg like Colton Willem and end up wedged in Potomac.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

martin's line

4 IP 8H 5R 5ER 0BB 1K ERA 11.25

74P/51 (very hittable) STRIKES

Posted by: surly_w | July 20, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

martin's line
4 IP 8H 5R 5ER 0BB 1K ERA 11.25
74P/51 (very hittable) STRIKES

____________________________________________

Maybe they were VERY FIELD-ABLE strikes, remember the debacle with Mock? Both guys fresh from Syracuse? Maybe we are seeing who is giving up and who isn't?

Hernandez statistically and pitch-wise did not look any better ...

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

"JD Martin, soft tosser. Send him back and bring up Bally Star. At least he throws mid 90's. He can make a mistake and get away with it.

Posted by: Section505203 | July 20, 2009"

Lots of home runs, walks, HBP's, wild pitches. We've seen that already. Its why Detwiler and Martis are down there with him.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

maybe not, but livo has six runs in his pocket.

Posted by: leetee1955 | July 20, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

In spite of everyone's complaints: Kearns is having a good game at the plate.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

"maybe not, but livo has six runs in his pocket.

Posted by: leetee1955 | July 20, 2009"

Better fielding. His batterymate from the Nats as well.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

not to mention martin getting whacked like a pinata.

Posted by: surly_w | July 20, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

So far no walks from Nats pitching ... that's a good sign.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Woah! who is this T Clippard? 5 SOs in 3 innings. Is that an alien pitching on the mound?

Posted by: swang30 | July 20, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Mock, Martin, Balester, detweiler, Martis, What difference does it make? You cant run 4 rookies in your rotation. For next year the Lerners need to sign a legimate major leagur starter..... Nevermind...

Posted by: chris88 | July 20, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

hernandez strikes out, game over.

Posted by: rachel216 | July 20, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile back in Syracuse a "mid 90's thrower" is losing to Toledo:

Detwiler 5.0 innings pitched
5 hits
3 runs
3 earned runs
5 WALKS
5 strikeouts
0 home runs
5.40 ERA.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

"Woah! who is this T Clippard? 5 SOs in 3 innings. Is that an alien pitching on the mound?"

and ZERO WALKS.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Kensing No walks, 1 SO's.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Periculum

Its spelled STRASBURG not STRASBERG!!!!!

Now you know what AAAA player means. Cut out the obsession with Bynum, Padilla, and MARTIN. Can you say soft tosser? Can you say straight fastball? Minor league stats mean nothing. Skill levels mean everything.

Posted by: WashOut | July 20, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Periculum,

As usual your info is always just a little bit off. Kind of like your understanding of baseball. Come back when you get it.

Posted by: WashOut | July 20, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

95 mph pitch: HR Francoeur.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

"Padilla, and MARTIN. Can you say soft tosser? Can you say straight fastball? Minor league stats mean nothing. Skill levels mean everything.

Posted by: WashOut | July 20, 2009"

Now, why would anyone listen to the opinions of a "loser" who has to change their handle to get their opinion across.

"hard tossers" throw Home RUNS! Unless they have movement on their fastball? How soon they forget, remember Hanrahan?

Martin will pitch again "Tapioca pudding". And he will do well.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Arrived late and have been catching up on the game via DVR and went through all the posts since the line-up. Shocked at the lack of snark with Belly at 2 and Guz at 5 (as of end of 8th, that sure hasn't worked out very well). We're making Livan look like an all-star AGAIN after allowing him a CG in May.

I felt sorry for Martin having this lineup behind him and in "offensive support" (more like OH-fensive support) but then his straight pitches in innings 1&2 made me wonder if it would've made a difference.

Willie looked ok on his plays at 3rd. See, he can play ANYWHERE! Make me an offer! (although I hope we keep him)

Posted by: mo_dc | July 20, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

"Periculum,

As usual your info is always just a little bit off. Kind of like your understanding of baseball. Come back when you get it."

And YOU ARE PATHETIC can you spell PATHETIC? Sheesh a nursing home/extended care dweller who has to hide behind yet another handle?!

You are so pathetic ... P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C.
You are such a C-R-E-T-I-N.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Tapioca pudding? WTF?

Aren't you up a little past your bedtime? Getting a little bit cranky because your hero has feet of clay.

Posted by: WashOut | July 20, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

@WashOut -- No doubt there is truth in what you say. On the other hand, most pitchers get knocked around in their first start.

Sometimes, even experienced pitchers struggle in their first start up.

Check this pitching line:

IP Hits Runs Walks Ks
5.0 7 5 1 5

John Smoltz's line against the Nationals. Not so much better than Martin's tonight. I'm not saying Martin will turn it around the way Smoltz has, but you can't go by his first start.

Posted by: fischy | July 20, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

On the bright side, this could be a 2-1/2 hour debacle instead of 3-1/2. Good work by the bullpen (until Kensing's meatball to Francoeur) but they moved quickly and (especially Clippard) threw like they had a plan AND NO WALKS.

The thing is, this game seemed like one we could've jumped on with our regular lineup. Why give up before the game even started?

Posted by: mo_dc | July 20, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

WashOut: What a pathetic piece of driftwood, a prozac-popping net.knob, a nursing home extended care senseless tackling dummy who used to call himself section 505203. With fans like you the Nats may never see a winning record.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

at least it was a quick clubbing tonight.

Posted by: surly_w | July 20, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

"The thing is, this game seemed like one we could've jumped on with our regular lineup. Why give up before the game even started?

Posted by: mo_dc | July 20, 2009"

Pitching wise, I think overall it was a pretty good game except for the gopher ball and the 2 doubles. I'll take no walks. Everyone hates walking in runs.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

2 hours and 16 minutes to be exact. If you are going to get blown out, at least have the courtesy to do it quickly. Lannan Vs. Ollie Perez tomorrow, Need a stop Johnny....

Posted by: chris88 | July 20, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile Balester, Detwiler, and Martis are having problems resolving control issues and AAA hitting.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

periculum, I think you're getting smacked around a little too much for Martin's performance but you've earned it with:

A) Your insane obsession with minor league stats
B) Your obnoxious attitude.

Don't get all pouty because your poster boy turned out to be a AAAA pitcher (as Dibble just pointed out again, the Mets fielded what amounts to a AAA lineup against Martin and still got eight hits in four innings). I'd like to believe that help is on the way and it might be, but keep it real, will you?

Posted by: baltova1 | July 20, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

periculum

whether you admit it or not, martin got dope slapped by the mets junior varsity. no reyes, no beltran, no delgado, no sheffield.

Posted by: surly_w | July 20, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

kearns 1 for 3 with a walk though.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

"I'd like to believe that help is on the way and it might be, but keep it real, will you?

Posted by: baltova1 | July 20, 2009"

I am not worried ... I think he'll do better the next time out and keep improving.

Again, look down at the "minor league stats" at Balester, Detwiler, and Martis, the "hard throwing" prospects. Remember how they got shelled when they were up here. That's keeping it real as well don't you think?

As far as section 505203, the guy is a pencil-head. Both Martin and Padilla deserve their shot ... more than many others who have been given it this year for their stellar performances in Syracuse. Rizzo himself said as much.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Okaaay. Nice talking to you, periculum.

Posted by: baltova1 | July 20, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

"Don't get all pouty because your poster boy turned out to be a AAAA pitcher (as Dibble just pointed out again, the Mets fielded what amounts to a AAA lineup against Martin and still got eight hits in four innings)."

BTW, as far as "keeping it real", the above is about as obnoxious as one can get ... the attitude is completely negative and given what Martin has endured, and accomplished I think he deserves better. Imagine if it were you ...

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

"Okaaay. Nice talking to you, periculum.

Posted by: baltova1 | July 20, 2009"

What can one expect from an "O's" fan anyway? :)

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

"whether you admit it or not, martin got dope slapped by the mets junior varsity. no reyes, no beltran, no delgado, no sheffield.

Posted by: surly_w | July 20, 2009"

As did Zimmerman, Stammen, Lannan, and Olsen has been shelled repeatedly especially early on.

The difference? Again, NO WALKS. By any pitcher tonight. That in itself is a feat that perhaps can be built on.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Some you guys on the NJ were all up on JD Martins piece...there is a big difference between triple A and the majors.

I'm mean what do you expect from a guy who tops out at around 87 mph?

On the otherhand, Logan Kensing looked decent..looked pretty good in the 8th and 9th..and Tyler Clippard had a solid outing as well..but lets face it, they are both bums.

Right now Sean Burnett is the only really pitcher we have in the bullpen. Let the tryouts begin for 2010...hopefully one or two more guys prove to be competent....

Posted by: Cartaldo | July 20, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Its official:

The Nats have achieved "the number of the beast":

2 666.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

but on + side in regards Martins start...he did pitch shutout 3rd and 4th innings

Posted by: Cartaldo | July 20, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

"Right now Sean Burnett is the only really pitcher we have in the bullpen. Let the tryouts begin for 2010...hopefully one or two more guys prove to be competent....

Posted by: Cartaldo | July 20, 2009"

Just so you know, this is another sub-90's, former 1st round draft pick who was let go by his team, the Pirates. He also had arm injuries which eventually led to Tommy Johns.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Percilum: J.D. martin isnt the truth man....potential bullpen pitcher as best case scenario...

Posted by: Cartaldo | July 20, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

One good thing is that the fan base, or what is left of it, knows the problems go beyond Manny, the pitching coach, the batting coach, Jim Bowden, etc. There seems to be general recognition that the player talent is not being invested in by the Nats' owners. This goes for the draft, the international market, the consistently low salary level of players received in trade, the free agents, and just every budget category. The Nats are such a long way from an average MLB level of investment, and we all know this now (except for periculum).

Posted by: EdDC | July 20, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

"Periculum: J.D. martin isnt the truth man....potential bullpen pitcher as best case scenario...

Posted by: Cartaldo | July 20, 2009"

Just like your guy Sean Burnett. Very similar histories.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

I like Rizzo, that trade he made was the swizzle dizzle...we gave away crap for two legitimate major league baseball players...he deserves a shot to run this team in the offseason.

Posted by: Cartaldo | July 20, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Periculum, not really man...

Sean Burnett is playing well in the Major leagues right now..and has been for the whole season...

while J.D. Martin has been playing well in triple A...big difference...

hell man, I hope he does well..that pen needs all the help it can get...but I am just not going to hold my breath on it

Posted by: Cartaldo | July 20, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

"The Nats are such a long way from an average MLB level of investment, and we all know this now (except for periculum).

Posted by: EdDC | July 20, 2009"

I never said that they were, have I? What I have said is that there is hope. And that your argument doesn't completely hold water when you consider that ownership aggressively went after Mark Texiera. Perhaps more aggressively than any other team in the majors! And they did manage to sign Adam Dunn. At a discount? Given his fielding abilty or lack thereof I'm not sure they didn't get the raw end of the deal.

That said. Yes they do need free agent talent to mix with the home grown / developed prospects. That is definitely true. Its up to Rizzo to convince them that certain free agents are worth the investment. I believe him capable of that.

As far as the International investment. Yes perhaps that is true ... but they did get burned by Bowden gate did they not? And didn't they give that kid who claimed to be a lot younger a fairly hefty bonus? And all the negative publicity?

The jury is still out ... I wouldn't characterize them as cheap, but they are most definitely way too frugal wanting to see a definite return in the not-too-distant future on any large investment.

That's my take. Sorry if you don't agree.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

well we shall see what happens with your boy periculum, Olson is probably out for a while..So i assume he will get another crack or two...

but trust me the owners are really really really cheap...

Posted by: Cartaldo | July 20, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

"hell man, I hope he does well..that pen needs all the help it can get...but I am just not going to hold my breath on it

Posted by: Cartaldo | July 20, 2009"

Nothing is a sure thing. This is Burnett's first season in the majors as well because of those injuries. He could fall apart as Olsen has ....

I wouldn't bet the farm on it ... but I would wait and see and give Martin a chance. No walks, and those 2 scoreless innings ... let him settle in and see what happens. In other words, don't be a Baltova, surly_w, or a section505303 "soft-tosser" and write him off.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Just look at the dollars going out. KC spends a lot more than the Nats do. Can a very wise GM overcome the spending differential? I would say, no, Rizzo can't. In the MLB business, if you have too-small budgets in every aspect of your operations, the best GM in baseball can't do much.

Posted by: EdDC | July 20, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

WashOut: What a pathetic piece of driftwood, a prozac-popping net.knob, a nursing home extended care senseless tackling dummy who used to call himself section 505203. With fans like you the Nats may never see a winning record.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 9:23 PM

As far as section 505203, the guy is a pencil-head. Both Martin and Padilla deserve their shot ... more than many others who have been given it this year for their stellar performances in Syracuse. Rizzo himself said as much.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 9:35 PM
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I'm right here "internet tough guy," no name change.

The guy you have begging for and bloviating about for like 2 months looked like the AAA guy everyone here knew he was. Don't get your panties all in wad about it.

He'll probably get another start and I wish him well. What Nats fan wouldn't?

The problem with you Peri, is that your baseball knowledge would probably fit on the tip of pencil but, you think you're Peter Gammons. Just because you post every 30 seconds doesn't make you an expert.

You flamed just about every person on this blog from 506 to Outsider, to NatsNut.

You tell people you're going to give them "curb sandwiches" and other such nonsense. How about you cut out the hostility fest and try to get some semblance of a life.

Posted by: Section505203 | July 20, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Lastings Milledge put up a .529 batting average with nine RBIs for Indy this week

Posted by: MinorLeagueFanatic | July 20, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

think ladson's headline from his game story nicely sums up everything...

"Martin's debut with Nats a night to forget"

Posted by: surly_w | July 20, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

WashOut: What a pathetic piece of driftwood, a prozac-popping net.knob, a nursing home extended care senseless tackling dummy who used to call himself section 505203. With fans like you the Nats may never see a winning record.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2009 9:23 PM
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I missed this little number my first time throught the comments. Once again, Peri have a drink maybe 3 and chill out dude your a little to high strung.

Posted by: Section505203 | July 20, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Just got home from Welcome Wagon Park and I agree on one point. Some fans need to stop using out of context stats to pump up their favorite minor-league players. Martin looked a lot like the hittable second-half Tim Redding tonight trying to rely on guile against a Mets lineup missing four of the team's best players - Delgado, Beltran, Reyes and Sheffield. Control pitchers can be very successful in the minors because the hitters aren't as good, but against even marginal major leaguers Martin's stuff looked lacking. There are no Saviors of Syracuse who are going to come up and turn this disaster of a season around. Martin's minor league stats are worthless in The Show. I actually heard someone in the crowd say they heard that Martin pitches "just like Maddux." Must be Mike instead of Greg.

Posted by: leetee1955 | July 20, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Periculum.

Maybe you have learned not to assume things. You know what that stands for. I am not who you are accusing me of being.

Maybe in the future you will learn some baseball knowledge before you spout in the future, and maybe you'll learn to be careful before you abuse other commenters with your rather filthy and abusive mouth.

I only have two more words for you "grow up".

Posted by: WashOut | July 20, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

periculum's can't deal with his boy being woodshedded by a lineup with only three real major leaguers - wright, schneider and castillo. that's why NO WALKS is so important to him. take your meds and get over it.

Posted by: surly_w | July 20, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Heard the tail end of the game on my way home from work. I see we are still in the mode of "Give me your tired, your poor..." Can't even beat the half-Mets?

@Leetee, thanks for report on Martin from someone who actually saw him pitch, rather than just saw his stats.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 20, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Bad news about Olsen, heard on the radio he is out for the season, is this true? Who's pouring the drinks?

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 20, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

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