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Willingham Pulled From Lineup ... but Not Traded

OK, so I just got word that Josh Willingham was pulled from the lineup because of a stiff neck, not a trade. He'll even be available to pinch hit. So, apologies for raising the flags on this one. It seemed suspicious that he was scratched about 45 minutes before the first pitch this afternoon. But Willingham, for now, is still a member of the Washington Nationals.

By Chico Harlan  |  July 30, 2009; 1:23 PM ET
 
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If Josh is being traded, it better be a couldn't-say-no type deal, and be for a top pitching or MI prospect! Ugh....

Posted by: TheBorg | July 30, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

They better have gotten a haul for JW. We are som much better with him hitting well in the middle of the lineup!

Posted by: 1of9000 | July 30, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Man I hope we don't become the Pirates. They flashed what would have been the Pirates starting line-up had they not made any trades the past two seasons and it was a very legit line-up.

Posted by: 1stpick | July 30, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I want some bats for Josh Willingham. Sure our pitching is not up to snuff yet, but it's lightyears ahead of our lineup.

Posted by: Section506 | July 30, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

It better be a group of ML ready prospects considering Hammer's value. Which, I believe, will never be higher. Seems like a good character guy though who would be missed . . .

Posted by: sect104 | July 30, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Holding my breath. Excitement!!!

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Damn, you have got to be kidding Chico. This is not good. Unless they are ready to bring back the "human cherry bomb" aka Elijah Dukes, Kearns will get to grace the right field line and stink up the batters box thru Sept.

Posted by: TippyCanoe | July 30, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

if j-will is traded will this mean MORE KEARNS?

Posted by: surly_w | July 30, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

@Section506: Do you really think so? Have you seen the NL team stats recently? Our pitching is at or near the bottom of the league ranks in virtually every major stat category, while our offense is near the middle, or even in the top third in most categories. I think that's fairly telling on where the Nats' major deficiencies lie.

That said, young, stud-potential prospects are welcome at ANY position, of course!

Posted by: TheBorg | July 30, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Reports had the Marlins interested in Willingham. The Nats need a shortstop. I can live with a Willingham for Hanley Ramirez trade.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | July 30, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

JW was the one name I kept hoping wouldn't get traded. He seems like the perfect type of player that helps a franchise take a big step forward. Not a protypical super-star, but an above average everyday player. This had better be an amazing haul to trade him

Posted by: NeedANatsFix | July 30, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

willingham = tommy hanson

Posted by: longterm | July 30, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

From Biff Bobson's blog:

Nothing's Brewing: Willingham injured

We have been told that Josh Willingham has stiffness on the left side of his neck, but he is available to pinch hit. I hope to have more after the game.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Thank God!

Posted by: NeedANatsFix | July 30, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

jason heyward?

Posted by: longterm | July 30, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Josh has a tweak? wishful thinking I'm thinking. If he is gone, this could make or break Rizzo and his future for gaining permanent GM status.

Posted by: cokedispatch | July 30, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Dang it! Pretty quick on the draw there, Chico. ;-)

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

swiper no swiping! ah man.

Posted by: longterm | July 30, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Uh, dang it on being "refresh posted," that is.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

ah, no more kearns....for the time being.

Posted by: surly_w | July 30, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Thanks 1a...I hope thats the case.

Posted by: cokedispatch | July 30, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

From a few posts back, I agree re. the plight of Pirates fans.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

KEARNS YOU KNAVE WHY MUST YOU CONTINUE PLAGUE US SO?!!?!

Posted by: RickFelt | July 30, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Chico refreshed the post with the same info, coked.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"It seemed suspicious, that he was scratched about 45 minutes before the first pitch this afternoon."

Of course it was suspicious. Players never get pulled from the lineup because they show up to the ballpark with an injury, but they get pulled and traded mid-game all the time.

All I can say, Chico, is that you have made the right choice aiming for a food critic job rather than becoming an investigative reporter.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | July 30, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

OK, letting my breath out. So sorry for raising your hopes! We are keeping the current team...no changes necessary.

WHammer, hope you feel better soon.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

@Section506: Do you really think so? Have you seen the NL team stats recently? Our pitching is at or near the bottom of the league ranks in virtually every major stat category, while our offense is near the middle, or even in the top third in most categories. I think that's fairly telling on where the Nats' major deficiencies lie.

That said, young, stud-potential prospects are welcome at ANY position, of course!

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You're right, I was sloppy. YOUNG was the key. We are missing almost any YOUNG talent that is reliable (or as reliable as young talent ever is) in the lineup. Whereas we have half a glass of young pitching talent.

Posted by: Section506 | July 30, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Second that, NatsLady. I was hoping that he hadn't lost another relative as well.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

How incredibly disappointing.

Posted by: CharlieF | July 30, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

well now we know why he didn't hit a homerun last night.

Posted by: longterm | July 30, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

But is it half empty or full?

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Whereas we have half a glass of young pitching talent.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

yeah, yeah, and if he gets scooped, it's all WaPo doesn't care about me!

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"But is it half empty or full?"

Exactly.

Posted by: Section506 | July 30, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

You'd think it would be the bullpen who'd get stiff necks...

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"Jesus Flores: My three most important mentors that have made the most impact in my career, so far, are Gary Carter because he showed me to play the game the way he played it and he's a Hall of Famer; Pat Corrales because ever since I got to the Nationals he shared all of his experiences with me as a big league catcher; and Manny Acta because he showed me the level of discipline and responsiblity it takes to be a successful player for a long time."

Kudos to Manny Acta. Well deserved!

Posted by: big_game_lannan | July 30, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

@1a: yes. @Eclipse: ya gotta have a dream. If you don't have a dream, how ya gonna have a dream come true.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

All I can say, Chico, is that you have made the right choice aiming for a food critic job rather than becoming an investigative reporter.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | July 30, 2009 1:43 PM
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Lighten up Francis.


Posted by: Section505203 | July 30, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"You're right, I was sloppy. YOUNG was the key. We are missing almost any YOUNG talent that is reliable (or as reliable as young talent ever is) in the lineup."

Quit piling on Dmitri. It wasn't his fault he got fat and couldn't play any more. Manny Acta told him so.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | July 30, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

keep talking happy talk, Nats_Lady

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, biggame. You saved me the trouble of posting that passage (I just cut and pasted it from the chat, which I love Flores even more after reading).

Yeah, yeah, sec3. The WaPo gets no respect. ;-)

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I don't care who you are, that's funny:

You'd think it would be the bullpen who'd get stiff necks...

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 1:49 PM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Turtles! The Orioles are getting the HD. Can't they afford both HD?

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

> Kudos to Manny Acta. Well deserved!

If only Riggleman had pulled Flores aside for a post-game talk every day, he'd surely be in the Hall of Fame now.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | July 30, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Ah, I missed that the first time through, sec3 and NatsLady.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Naw, they know how to sleep right in the bullpen.

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You'd think it would be the bullpen who'd get stiff necks...

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 1:49 PM

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

So, (against AL teams in their park?)
this lineup would be killer ... even with the
young pitching ...

Morgan CF LH
Dukes RF RH
Johnson 1B LH
Zimmerman 3B RH
Dunn DH LH
Willingham LF RH
Guzman SS SW
Flores C RH
Gonzalez 2B RH

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

1a, years ago the Cubs had a promo spot, "We. Turn. Heads." with clips of opposing pitchers snapping around to watch a long dinger go out.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

This little ditty would work as well:


I could say life is just a bowl of Jello
And appear more intelligent and smart,
But I'm stuck like a dope
With a thing called hope,
And I can't get it out of my heart!
Not this heart...

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

That's good, sec3. Maybe we could have an exorcist promo featuring our 'pen? Nah.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Willingham for a new owner and 3 new statues of Walter Johsnon, Josh Gibson, and Frank Howard!

Posted by: poncedeleroy | July 30, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of hope, it's about game time.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Watching the Pirates situation lately is like watching a vulture pick over a carcass. That being said, anyone left on the team we can get for a can of Skoal?

Posted by: slewis1 | July 30, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"You're right, I was sloppy. YOUNG was the key. We are missing almost any YOUNG talent that is reliable (or as reliable as young talent ever is) in the lineup. Whereas we have half a glass of young pitching talent."

Are you defining young as under 30?

Dunn, Morgan, Gonzalez, Zimmerman, when healthy Flores ...

Let's not carried away. I don't think you'd be happy with Marrero in the line up ... to show the "Rizzo" effect quoting Brian Oliver the svengali of the youth movement:

"The main thing I am seeing this year as opposed to years past is that there has been consistency in the minor league rosters. Over the past couple of years, a combination of injuries and over-aggressive promotions has left each roster in a constant state of flux. Flux which leads to inconsistent play on the field. What we are seeing in 2009 is players playing for an extended period of time at a level in order to make the necessary adjustments to the way they are approaced by other teams. I believe the performances of the full-season affiliates has been reflected in a large degree by the stable rosters."

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Dribble and Sunshine are SERIOUS. They got the full suit and tie on.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

We can also throw in Smiley!

Posted by: poncedeleroy | July 30, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Brian Oliver on the YOUNG pitching ... kind of insightful ... but I think everyone underestimates former 1st round pick JD Martin. We'll see, everyone predicts he'll fail ... probably did the same with Morgan when he first started out with the Pirates.

"Mock & Martis are question marks to me. Both are more likely to turn into spot starters moving forward though Martis' age is an advantage.

The guys I personally am looking forward to in the next year or so are Erik Arnesen, Brad Meyers, and A.J. Morris. None of the three are #1 or 2 starters but all have the ability to turn into solid middle of the rotation options for the Nationals. Arnesen is the guy I have been watching this season. After finishing the 2008 season in Potomac as old for his level, I was concerned that he may have missed his window starting in Potomac again in 2009. He's pitched himself into the picture as a consideration for the back end of the rotation.

The biggest disappointments so far have primarily been the high school arms. Colton Willems has stagnated in Potomac, Jack McGeary was overmatched in Hagerstown and has pitched adequately (but not spectacularly) in Vermont. Josh Smoker is back in the GCL, in large part due to rehabbing an injury, but his delay is disappointing. "

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

No, I like it! Good DC associations with the G'town steps. Immediately recognizable graphic of the Sandeman port guy under the lamp ... www.sandeman.eu/img/en/col_central_topo_logo.gif

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That's good, sec3. Maybe we could have an exorcist promo featuring our 'pen? Nah.
Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 1:59 PM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I don't even know if I should respond to you periculum, between your offensive former comments including utter disrespect to geriatrics (by comparing them to me, mostly) and women, and your atrocious bungling of my point, but you seem genuinely interested in having a serious conversation.

I mean hitters under 25, as in the next generation of Nationals. There is Zimmerman. Flores is not reliable, since he doesn't have close to a healthy season yet. I have never said a word about Marrero, nor would I, because I don't think he's got either the health or the ability to be a major leaguer based on his performance thus far (though hitters maturing really makes a difference, so he could turn into a nice surprise).

How frustrating that instead of a Willingham trade, we have a Willingham injury.

Posted by: Section506 | July 30, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

which makes me think, wouldn't The Sandman be a cool nickname for a closer? Turn out the lights, cuz yer bats are going night-night now...

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

O, Nyjer. I am SO in love.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I guess Chico is too busy issuing retractions of his premature reporting of the Willingham non-trade to report the actual revised lineup now that Willingham is out. I hear on the radio that Zimmerman is batting fifth. For most baseball beat reporters that kind of thing would be news. But I guess for Chico unless his wine pairing for tonight's dinner changes it's not worth noting.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | July 30, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Lead off double!

Posted by: combedge | July 30, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Youch! Sunshine just said Gonzalez is "clueless" at the plate.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Look at Nyjer's eyes (if you are watching on TV). He is totally focused.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

First of all, I do not advocate trading Willingham. I know that this team needs to get better and get younger. But I do prefer that the Nats do this while fielding a major league team. Willingham isn't old, isn't over the hill and he is under club control for 2 more years.

That said, if we get the right deal, I can trade anyone. As for the pitching, yes, it's still at the bottom of the NL. But most of that damage was done in April and May.

Month - ERA - WHIP
APR - 5.15 - 1.609
MAY - 6.07 - 1.660 <-- lots of 6's in the wring places
JUN - 4.30 - 1.381
JUL - 4.38 - 1.440

The pitching has stabilized. I don't know how far we are from challenging for the division title, but I'd settle for fielding a competitive while having a cohesive plan to rebuild the farm system with a competent farm director and general manager.

Posted by: comish4lif | July 30, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Here's a promo: pastoral scene, grassy field; slow tranquil music, late-19th c. sound--"Hope is the thing with feathers ..." text floats across the screen L->R, scripty font (like Deep Thoughts)--quick zoom out from the cut grass to see the ballpark, and Screetch--loud fast contemporary music with jump cuts between Screetch and Nats highlight plays -- maybe Nyjer flying (up walls, horizontally for diving catches) -- (can we find a shot of birds scattering from a home run in the Cherry Bomb Pavilion?)
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Speaking of hope, it's about game time.
Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 2:00 PM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Well, you probably should blame Nyjer for trying to get 3rd with 2 out, but if no one else is going to advance him---?

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"I have never said a word about Marrero, nor would I, because I don't think he's got either the health or the ability to be a major leaguer based on his performance thus far (though hitters maturing really makes a difference, so he could turn into a nice surprise)."

Frank Robinson called Ian Desmond a Derek Jeter, Brian Oliver slots him as about average, but good for the Nats given their issues with middle infielders.

Marrero was originally slotted as a prototypical #4 hitter.

Since the discussion is on the potential for trading Willingham and perhaps other middle of the lineup types:

"CSN: You can never get enough pitching and it seems like that’s a hot topic regarding the Nationals “plan” for the future. Let’s switch gears and talk position player prospects. Some of Washington’s marquee position players are in the middle of trade talks (1B Nick Johnson, OF Josh Willingham) and if one of them are dealt, the club would have to look towards the minors to replace them. Is there anyone on the farm that is close to helping out the big league club (whether as an everyday player or off the bench)?"

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

"Brian Oliver: Today? I’m not sure there is an everyday 1B or outfielder waiting in the wings in Syracuse or Harrisburg that would qualify as a prospect. They have guys like Mike Morse, Brad Eldred, and Kory Casto as 1B and the highest ceiling OF at the higher levels is Elijah Dukes. The next big prospect name at 1B is Chris Marrero who is still likely another year from being a consideration at 1B (and the beginning of the 2011 season seems more reasonable).

CSN: Now lower down on the farm, Potomac has three players the Nats think tank are very excited about and looking at as key cornerstones of the future in 1B Chris Marrero, SS Danny Espinosa and OF Michael Burgess; Hagerstown has C Derek Norris; Vermont features Jeff Kobernus and J.P. Ramirez; while down in the Gulf Coast League Destin Hood is fine-tuning his game. Can you give us a progress report on some of them?

Brian Oliver: Marrero has shown something recently, he appears to be getting it. He might not be that all-world #4 hitting slugger that some initial reports suggested but he’s developing a solid approach at the plate. His future is really going to be predicated on turning himself into an adequate defender at 1B because there are no DHs in the National League. Burgess is what he is, big-time power and huge strikeout numbers. I hoped he would progress some in 2009 but it’s been more of the same. I hope the Nationals let him finish the season in Potomac and send him back to start 2010 there as well. He needs the development time. Espinosa has had a mixed season, started hot but has faded some. His window is a bit narrower given his age relative to his league but I still see the potential in the utility role for him at the major league level. "

I think Oliver is pretty insightful.

Addressing your 1st paragraph: I got accused of lots of things (and your 1st paragraph continues to do that some extent) and I was called all sorts of names, patronized, denigrated.

The thing you have observed is I used to the "alt.flame" thing so I know how to have fun with it. :) As someone said on the RI to Jason Reid: "if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen ..." You should never frequent that blog as you would probably hate it. :)


Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Say. what? Dunn is in RF, Harris in LF? OK, whatever. Maybe it will work.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Nats_lady,

There is no doubt that Nyjer Morgan was exactly what this team needed in addition to the change in pitching philosophy.

I doubt that anyone is going to argue that ... he definitely is Captain Morgan leading his "Natty Pirats"

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

@FTETPTBCCH

Me thinks you're being a tad harsh on Chico today. Just sayin...

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

@Perc: The Cap'n was an instant hit with me. I'm glad Willeeeeeeeeee is in the game also.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh, for pete's sake! Here's your [AB] lineup.

NATS
Morgan 8
Gonzales 6
Johnson 3
Dunn 7
Zimmerman 5
Harris 9
Nieves 2
Hernandez 4
Martin 1

MILW
Lopez 4
Counsell 6
Braun 7
Fielder 3
Hart 9
Cameron 8
McGehee 5
Kendall 2
Gallardo 1

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I guess Chico is too busy issuing retractions of his premature reporting of the Willingham non-trade to report the actual revised lineup now that Willingham is out. I hear on the radio that Zimmerman is batting fifth. For most baseball beat reporters that kind of thing would be news. But I guess for Chico unless his wine pairing for tonight's dinner changes it's not worth noting.
Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | July 30, 2009 2:10 PM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Someone say "Hope is a Thing with Feathers"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73A6rBGDdAU

Posted by: comish4lif | July 30, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

"You should never frequent that blog as you would probably hate it."

Nor do I.

Thanks for those comments from Brian, they seem to confirm we need more down on the farm in the bat department.

Posted by: Section506 | July 30, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

@intrudr:

(Stunned admiration)
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@FTETPTBCCH
Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 2:24 PM

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Sec3: that's been done already - Mariano Rivera enters games to "Enter Sandman." For like the last 15 years....

Posted by: TheBorg | July 30, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Oh.

I thought it sounded too familiar.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

blushing...

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

That's probably a more appropriate song than "Mr. Sandman (Bring Me A Dream)...", too.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Charlie and Dave just figured out Dunn was in RF. ;-)

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Well, they are not watching on TV, so it takes them a little extra time to catch up.
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Charlie and Dave just figured out Dunn was in RF. ;-)

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 2:41 PM

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Give 'em he!! Jim

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

oooh, Riggleman is about to get himself tossed ... there he goes

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

WOW!

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

WE HAVE AN EJECTION. It's weird that I feel so good about that.

Posted by: AtomicOvermind | July 30, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Manny would have done the same thing.

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

to paraphrase freud, "sometimes a post is just a post." but we often get at no extra premium in-depth. incoherent, rambling "analysis" of the most innocuous of posts. how fortunate we at NJ are.

Posted by: surly_w | July 30, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I don't think so, Intrudr

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Never doubt the ineptness of Joe West

Posted by: BangZoom | July 30, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

why did riggs get the thumb?

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 30, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

ooooo, I am not touching that one!
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WE HAVE AN EJECTION. It's weird that I feel so good about that.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I just lost A LOT of respect for Joe West. Always thought he was one of the better umps in the game, but that was one of the most stubbornly stupid calls ever made. That stunk, Joe - you should be ashamed.

Posted by: TheBorg | July 30, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

for those of you not on live feed, Hernandez fouled off a strike 2 pitch, and Joe West called it a strikeout, said he didn't foul it. Charlie and Dave said it was unabiguously fouled into the dirt. Riggleman came out to ask WTF and "get help" -- West said no, so Riggleman walked out the 3rd base up to ask him, himself. That'll do it every time.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Riggleman ejected? That's new.

Posted by: periculum | July 30, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Yes please enlighten us gameday watchers what Riggs did to get tossed. Arguing the strikeout? But it was swinging?

Posted by: nattaboy | July 30, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, after 4,000 games?

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

TheBorg, a little more insight please for those of us not watching or listening

Posted by: NeedANatsFix | July 30, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

New post, y'all.

Posted by: leetee1955 | July 30, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

oooh, now it looks like Manny may have been right. Blues are just hosing the Nats now, out of pure spite.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Nieves is laughing so he won't cry!!!

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 30, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't think so, Intrudr


Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 30, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse
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we are in agreement

Posted by: Intrudr | July 30, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

reading on Gameday (drat, that work thing) -- Riggleman got ejected? Was that for arguing for Anderson Hernandez?

Posted by: mo_dc | July 30, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Man, the boys in blue are SCREWING us today!

Posted by: AtomicOvermind | July 30, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

So much for the theory that a manager getting himself tossed sends a message to the umps to treat your team with more fairness on subsequent calls. Too bad for Manny Acta that he had to get himself fired before the theory could be debunked.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | July 30, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

anyone know why riggleman was ejected?

Posted by: DCguy7 | July 30, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

That's is the TEXTBOOK example of how to get yourself run. Hooray for Riggs. Ask the ump for help, he says "No" 0 just go and ask yourself. You won't get the other ump to say anything but it is how you make a statement to back your team.

As for the poster who had respect for Joe West? Please. He's one of the worst umps in MLB. Lazy and confrontational. And he'll never be ashamed - he's never made a mistake on the diamond.

Posted by: comish4lif | July 30, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Ahhhh, Zimmerman. Glad to see your bat is back.

Posted by: AtomicOvermind | July 30, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I think Riggleman was ejected because he took offense at the umpires, fans, and groundskeeper laughing at Nats pitching.


Bwwwaaaahhhhhhaaaaa waaaaah

Awful. Just awful.

Posted by: AWWNats | July 30, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse


As well as the theory that in so doing he he will fire up the team up and they will go on to win the game.

Speaking of ejections, Bob Carpenter was wondering whether Manny had ever been tossed. Was he on vacation during the Philly game where Lannan, in his first MLB start, broke Utley's hand and was ejected?

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So much for the theory that a manager getting himself tossed sends a message to the umps to treat your team with more fairness on subsequent calls. Too bad for Manny Acta that he had to get himself fired before the theory could be debunked.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | July 30, 2009 2:52 PM |

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about that. I had the hiccups. Or was it giggle-itis? Anyway, see you in the new post.

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As well as the theory that in so doing he he

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 30, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

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