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Lineups From Turner Field

Washington

Morgan - 8
Guzman - 6
Zimmerman - 5
Dunn - 3
Willingham - 7
Dukes - 9
Bard - 2
Belliard - 4
Stammen - 1

Atlanta

Church - 8
Prado - 4
Jones - 5
McCann - 2
Anderson - 7
Escobar - 6
LaRoche - 3
Diaz - 9
Lowe - 1

By Chico Harlan  |  August 12, 2009; 3:44 PM ET
 
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Trotting out a losing lineup again, Riggleman, as evidenced by the presence of....

Posted by: Section506 | August 12, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Damn. Belliard.

Ronnie Belliard shot JR Ewing.

Posted by: Section505203 | August 12, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I guess Riggs wants to keep this losing streak going by putting the monchichi at 2nd base.

Posted by: FloresFan | August 12, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

On the Braves broadcast last night on XM Don Sutton said that since Dukes's recall from AAA his personal "babysitter" has been let go. That Riggleman and the front office told him their expectations and that it was time for him to act in the right way on his own. I haven't heard this locally, anyone else know anything abou it?

Geezer

Posted by: utec | August 12, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Hate to say it, but the Belliard thing is getting way out of hand.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 12, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

...sounds like something Belliard would say...

Posted by: Naugatuck-Nats | August 12, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I gotta agree that the Belliard thing can be too much - getting racial/ethnic comments crosses the line for me.

My personal favorite is still his blame for "New Coke" though!

Posted by: mo_dc | August 12, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Riggs is merely trying to ensure a win with a Bizzaro-Belli lineup. Go, NATS!!

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 12, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Or would that be "Bizarro"? At any rate, the "go, NATS" still stands.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 12, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I must have missed the racial/ethnic comments. But that's okay, you don't need to point me to them.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 12, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

A split with the Braves would be nice, you can't win them all, but to be 9 of your last 10 is damn good. It's just important that we don't revert back to the culture of losing.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | August 12, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

1a: "And none of this! And none of THIS! And definitely none of THIS!"

Posted by: Section506 | August 12, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Belli, in case you're reading this, "We kid because we love."

Posted by: ramgut | August 12, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm very excited to watch Alcides Escobar. A chance to witness a real-live slick fielding short-stop prospect.

Would that he were ours!

Posted by: soundbloke | August 12, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"Would that he were ours!"

This brought to mine the scene playing out on Randy Quaid's "Cousin Eddy's" face when a similar, though less concise, wish was made in Christmas Vacation.

Posted by: Section506 | August 12, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I must have missed the racial/ethnic comments as well.

Posted by: Section505203 | August 12, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm not kidding, and I don't love Belliard. I really think he's a useless baseball player and I want him off of this team. Why can't we play Harris anywhere? He's not ideal at 2B but he's better than Belli-flop

Posted by: cheeseburger53 | August 12, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

That was one of my worst written posts for months. Mea maxima culpa.

Posted by: Section506 | August 12, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

506, would you REALLY feel better if we all agreed you'd written worse?

Posted by: greggwiggins | August 12, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

There was supposed to be a (GRIN) behind that question, but it vanished in the formatting.

Posted by: greggwiggins | August 12, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

"After reading a bit more, they haven't released Olsen, Nats_Lady.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 12, 2009"

'Pears like he is probably "slotted" to start off in Syracuse next year? They don't have enough southpaws so ... if Rizzo stays I am guessing they keep Olsen.

Posted by: periculum | August 12, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Dang formatting.

Belliard! Stop stealing our emoticons!

Posted by: Scooter_ | August 12, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Belliard needs to be a lert at second base! We need more lerts in the world!

Posted by: periculum | August 12, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

monchichi: monchichis are a monkey-like animal with a signature haircut- hairline on the forehead is a "three head" almost touching the eyebrows; can be construed as a racial epithet when directed at a person.

More familiar synonym that got attention in the DC/VA area a few years back: "macaca"

Normally I wouldn't draw attention to it, but I realize this is a learning piece as it isn't a term familiar to many people. In short -- if it's a term referencing a monkey/ape and you're not sure if it has any problem, don't use it.

If you're unsure, then substitute "monkey" or "ape" -- and if it's a problem then, well... don't say it at all.

My 2 cents.

Posted by: mo_dc | August 12, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Does the presence of "He who should not be played" (Belli) cause the opposing teams to relax and therefore allow us to win because they are already practicing their victory speeches in their heads?

Posted by: oneleggedNatsFan | August 12, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

"I'm very excited to watch Alcides Escobar. A chance to witness a real-live slick fielding short-stop prospect.

Would that he were ours!

Posted by: soundbloke | August 12, 2009"

Rizzo may be thinking the same way ... but I suspect he can get a prospect for a "bargain" price that may have the same potential?

Posted by: periculum | August 12, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Thanks mo_dc. I wouldn't have picked up on that, being unfamiliar with the term.

It's a really despicable comment.

All Belliard is guilty of is not being very good any more. The bile is sort of unnecessary. I mean, he's not Filipe Lopez now is he?

Posted by: soundbloke | August 12, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

For Alcides I would trade half our team. But Milwakee might think that is a very bad deal. Our brightest trading chip is Dunn, and I wouldn't give you Escobar for Dunn if he came with a free Christian Guzman and pot of gold!

Posted by: soundbloke | August 12, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I am of latin descent just like Ronnie Belliard, so clearly my comment wasn't meant to be racial at all. If I offended anyone, I sincerely apologize.

I thought it was funny at the time, but I guess I ruffled some feathers and that wasn't my intention.

Posted by: FloresFan | August 12, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Mo,

Thanks for the explanation.

Posted by: Section505203 | August 12, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

By the way, the only reason why I called Beliard that is because I would get teased when I was younger and my nickname was monchichi. It was more of a cute/chubby remark than an "ape" remark.

I can't say it enough....it wasn't mean to be racial. I am a latino who respects Belliard and I really regreat typing that now.

Posted by: FloresFan | August 12, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

mo_dc,

I'm sorry if I offended you or anyone else. I feel really bad for typing that now.

My sincerest apologies to all.

Posted by: FloresFan | August 12, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's just me, but I thought that when the streak was broken you then needed to find a new streak charm...

Now for those who think Belli is a talentless lump of goo, that's different.

Posted by: OldDude | August 12, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the clarification, mo_dc.

Honestly, given what I've read here from FloresFan over time, I doubt that any such slur was intended, and I wouldn't be so quick to ascribe such a motive to him (or her, if it's a woman).

Speaking only for myself, I didn't make any such connection on reading the comment (I had a vague idea/memory that the term related to dolls or characters on a children's show). When I did a Google search just now, what turned up looked more like a hedgehog doll to me (I'm partial to hedgehogs, so perhaps that's why).

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 12, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Flores Fan.

I think you've explained. You don't exactly have a track record of hate speech and controversy.

Let us not stand divided but unite in our love of Jesus!

Posted by: soundbloke | August 12, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

FF,
I certainly have no trouble in believing your explanation. We've all been sensitized a little, which is not a bad thing.

Belli hurt Zimms arm while trying to high five him.

Let's play two!

Posted by: SlowPitch63 | August 12, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

You've always been A-okay in my book, FloresFan, and you still are. I guess I owe you a Coke or something for posting before I'd seen your comments. ;-)

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 12, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Er, I did that too 1a1.

I'm a jack ass!

Posted by: soundbloke | August 12, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe the Washington Post. Nearly every day during the 8 game winning streak, they bury the Nats story at the bottom of page 1. Finally, the streak ends, and its RIGHT UP TOP. With a picture of the Braves pitcher! Does the Washington Post hate the Nats for some reason?

Posted by: glennpc | August 12, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Don't sweat it FF.

Posted by: Section505203 | August 12, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Thank you 1a,soundbloke, and SP63.

Oh and by the way, I'm a male of Nicaraguan descent. So, I've got some latin baseball roots!

Posted by: FloresFan | August 12, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Responding to Scooter from the last thread:

In most industrialized countries particularly in Europe, young people play sports through highly organized sports clubs. To coach in those clubs whether paid or as a volunteer, men and women get licensed through a national sports organization. In the US, we tend to cut anyone with a whistle loose on our youngsters. At least now most youth leagues do background checks for deviants.

#4

Posted by: db423 | August 12, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

So if Belliard and Harris (the anti Belliard) were both playing and collided chasing a fly ball, what would be the result?

a. They would both dissapear.
b. The world as we know it would end as a rip in time and space would suck everything into a swirlling vortex of nothingness.
c. Nick Johnson would end up on the DL.

Posted by: twinbrook | August 12, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Thanks FF.
Geezer

Posted by: utec | August 12, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse


Let us not stand divided but unite in our love of Jesus!

Posted by: soundbloke | August 12, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse


So now we're leaving out the Jews?

What, we kid b/c we love, right?

Posted by: cdstej | August 12, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

twinbrook, I'll go with C

Posted by: FloresFan | August 12, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey gang, esp FF, sorry to be silent (had to get out of work and make it back to the computer). Nothing intended by my silence!

FF - thanks for your clarification, and I didn't think it was intentional -- which is why I took the opportunity for a "teachable moment" (as a neighbor on Penn Ave might call it).

Now, let's all have a beer, just don't make mine a Bud Light ;-)

Let's go Nats!

Posted by: mo_dc | August 12, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Belliard up to the bar at the Vortex!

Posted by: periculum | August 12, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

I thought I recalled that you had such roots, FF.

LOL, Twinbrook! I'd be inclined to go with B, but C is funny as well.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 12, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Nice one, Twinbroook!

I go with C too! (He's been on a tear since the trade)

Posted by: mo_dc | August 12, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

As a race relations studies minor I can't help pointing out that this is a fantastic example of how "race" depends entirely on context. FloresFan was operating from a different context than mo_dc was reading from.

So was it a racially disparaging content? Well, where are you reading it from? Should it be judged entirely by intent of the speaker? Consider: how offensive is it to those who hear it?

All this context, of course, is something our legalistic society can hardly handle, which leads to fights that we have frequently on other blogs. From this, I feel like I got a tiny glimpse into Latino childhoods and also a warning for things to be careful of at its intersection with Anglo culture.

See, aren't you all glad I usually stick to statistics.

And don't think I didn't notice you, Mr. Wiggins!

"There was supposed to be a (GRIN) behind that question, but it vanished in the formatting."

Just like mine did when I read your comments. I shed a single tear and now refuse to come out of my bedroom, even if my mom promises to make me EZ Mac and let me stay up to watch Scrubs re-runs on Comedy Central.

Posted by: Section506 | August 12, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

twinbrook, the answer is "a. They would both disappear," releasing a photon. And that would be a great thing, because we'd get the ray of light we've all been waiting for this dark summer.

Posted by: Section506 | August 12, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

OK, we get it.... We don't like Belliard. And we need to vent our collective frustration on someone else now that Gascanrahan is gone and Kearns is on the DL. But let's all take a deep breath before declaring defeat prior to the first pitch every night.

Considering Alberto Gonzalez's whopping .236 average and .267 on-base percentage against righties, I'd "rest" him against the veran sinkerballer, too. (For comparison, Ronnie is slightly outhitting Gonzalez against righties this year, and has a .337 OBP against them the last three years).

I turned on Manny Acta as much as anyone, but am willing to give Riggleman the benefit of the doubt thus far, as he's made a .500 ballclub out of the steaming pile of a ballclub he's been handed.

Posted by: InTheCheapSeats | August 12, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

dunno if anyone's seen this about aaron crowe...

==
Latest rumor on Kansas City's first pick, Aaron Crow, has Crow indicating that the Royals' $3 million offer, which frankly is more than generous considering his lack of leverage at this point, was not sufficient to get him to sign. As an independent leaguer who left college after his junior year, Crow is not subject to the Monday night deadline. I can't see why the Royals would increase that offer, as Crow's value is only declining with time.
==

so maybe it wasn't all on the nats FO/ownership?

Posted by: sec231 | August 12, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

This:

==
And we need to vent our collective frustration on someone else now that Gascanrahan is gone and Kearns is on the DL.
==

Preceded this:

==
Latest rumor on Kansas City's first pick, Aaron Crow, has Crow indicating that the Royals' $3 million offer, which frankly is more than generous considering his lack of leverage at this point, was not sufficient to get him to sign. As an independent leaguer who left college after his junior year, Crow is not subject to the Monday night deadline. I can't see why the Royals would increase that offer, as Crow's value is only declining with time.
==

It wasn't venting, cheap seats, so much as a superstitious and illogical belief that the anti-Belli humor was helping us win. That said, I think we may have a new lucky charm. Aaron Crow invented Twitter (or he hates it, depending on your own opinion of it).


Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 12, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and now that we're within one hour from first pitch:

"Jimmy, it's ON!"

(yeah, i know the streak ended last night, but that was just a blip, right? I mean, Lannan being that far off the mark?)

I'll close up this superstition streak tonight if they lose, but here's hoping they won't!

Posted by: mo_dc | August 12, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I've said all along that the Aaron Crow problem was with Aaron Crow.

He (Crow) thinks that since he's a local kid he's going to get premium money from the Royals.

Who would you rather have? Aaron Crow or Drew Storen? I think we won this one.

Posted by: wigi | August 12, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

"(yeah, i know the streak ended last night, but that was just a blip, right? I mean, Lannan being that far off the mark?)"

Yeah, mista mo, now everyone is going to be wondering if maybe he has arm trouble ... especially after reading about Burnett's history ...

Posted by: periculum | August 12, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Door number two, Wigi.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 12, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, wigi, even if the balancing factor was personality alone. Storen has proven that he can pitch and is a heck of lot more likeable to boot.

I wonder when Crow looks into the mirror if he sees thousand dollar bills floating away into the netherworld.

Posted by: driley | August 12, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Storen and Holder alone make for the best draft in years! Factor in the other guys who look to have potential ... its kind of sad that Kobernus got injured ... there's your 2nd baseman if he ended up being anything like he was in college.

Posted by: periculum | August 12, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Hello Gang...been a while for me...although I'm still reading faithfully. Gotta say-al the vitriol for Ronnie....I actually think that, given regular time, he'd be a passable 2nd sacker-as opposed to a sad-sacker.Time for his hitting to round into form. He's a pro.His swing for the fences is a result, I think, of trying to do to much. As for his range....eh, what's that you say about Jeter? Admittedly, Ronnie B. ain't-and never was!-a Jeter, but he does have the knowledge to position himself where he can minimize his lack of range.I dunno, I've always liked the guy. Course, as life-long Cards fan(they're #2 now), maybe my view is colored by 2006.
Oh, I'm a 50+ y.o. native but the Cards-and O's-used to build a team in a way that you could admire, so growing up ...well,I just hope the Slow Lerners aren't intent on recreating the Senators of Teds'youth.
One other note...I forget the game I was watching-I have the MLB package- but the local announcers were discussing 3rd basemen. And made the comment that it was generally agreed that the BEST defensive 3b-er in MLB was Zim.Now, like my pal Greggo the Cop says, it's too early to make any statements, but not too early to speculate on the impact of Riggleman on this team.Seemed to me,though, that Manny(and I was a supporter til the almost end, at which point I was indifferent) was investing a lot in being "I'm Manny, and this is how I do things" rather than "I'm the mgr., and this is what the team needs". Well...I see I'm missing the pre-game.Time to go, gang
Go Nats..........

Posted by: zendo | August 12, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

zendough? Sounds like the name of a trendy recession oriented web-site?

Posted by: periculum | August 12, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Dibble makes Holliday look like a dwarf.

Posted by: twinbrook | August 12, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

@1A1, upon further review, you're right. Sorry to all about misinterpreting/not really reading what preceded my comment. Any abuse heaped on Crow, however, is always appreciated.

It wasn't venting, cheap seats, so much as a superstitious and illogical belief that the anti-Belli humor was helping us win. That said, I think we may have a new lucky charm. Aaron Crow invented Twitter (or he hates it, depending on your own opinion of it).

Posted by: InTheCheapSeats | August 12, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

So much to comment on, so little time to do it in. You guys really hit some "hot button topics" this afternoon. Let's get to it...

@twinbrook: The answer would have been "C" earlier in the year, but under current constraints, I lean toward "B" - a cosmic (or is that comic) disaster.

@FF: It's all good - It was just a "homeboy" jab that got more read into it than was originally intended.

To everyone: The win streak is over - the Belli-bashing good-luck charm has played out. Let's hope Stammen has his sinker back, and throws a good game tonight. We can find a new player to "tie to the mast" after a win.

@231: The Nationals' 2008 #1 (& his agents) clearly have an over-stated sense of his value. Good luck in the real world next year without a degree.

Posted by: BinM | August 12, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

twinbrook: Referring to Holliday as a dwarf is demeaning and politically incorrect; He is an "aging, vertically challenged individual" when compared to Dribble.


wait for it...

GOTCHA! ;)

Posted by: BinM | August 12, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

NYJER! Again! love this guy!

Posted by: mo_dc | August 12, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

I LOVED the Nyger clips they showed before the game. Tony Plush ROCKS!

Posted by: twinbrook | August 12, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: twinbrook | August 12, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

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