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Poll: Will Strasburg, Nats Make a Deal?

It's the simplest question I could think of -- and the one on most Nationals' fans minds:

By Jon DeNunzio  |  August 17, 2009; 1:36 PM ET
 
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He wants to play, and he wants to play in DC... this whole thing is just the Boras show trying to get the biggest comission ever.

Posted by: Kavorka | August 17, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Yes.

Posted by: Naugatuck-Nats | August 17, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Since I heard the Nats put a $17 M deal with incentives to get to $20 M, I have been pretty confident. If he's basically walking from $20 M what does he think he can get?

Risk injury to try to improve that total to what, $25 M? He's not sitting a year and coming back and getting $30 M, and it's not like he'd get to go to the Padres, so that can't be the reason.

Even if he went back to school and pitched better than anyone ever did, he wouldn't raise his value because he's already pitched better than anyone ever. He's just losing money for future free agency paychecks, which will be much bigger than the difference he thinks he could make here.

If he walks from $20 M, it's to try to get maybe $25 M from the Royals, the Pirates or the Orioles next year. As long as he and Boras know math, they would be pretty foolish to leave. I can't really blame the Nats at the point.

Posted by: CharlieF | August 17, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"He wants to play, and he wants to play in DC... this whole thing is just the Boras show trying to get the biggest comission ever.

Posted by: Kavorka"
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I think that, as villified as Boras is, he is the best at what he does because he gets his clients what they want. His clients obviously want obscene amounts of money (otherwise they wouldn't hire him), but I don't think Boras would "prevent" a client from signing a deal if they said they wanted to sign this year. I believe around 11:30 Boras will say to SS, "here's the offer on the table, do you want to play ball or not?" Maybe Boras tries to squeeze a few more MMs out of the final 30 minutes, but the question won't change: does SS want to play ball or not?

IF SS's priority is to play in MLB, he'll be a National on Aug. 18. And his mom says he wants to play ball.

Posted by: cheeseburger53 | August 17, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Here's what some idiot Cubs fan thinks...

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Bethesda, Md.: Michael, who do you feel will come out looking the worst if Stephen Strasburg isn't signed today: Strasburg, Scott Boras, or the Washington Nationals? And do you believe that Boras and the Nats made an agreement for the Nats to drive up the price of Mark Texerira so the Yankees would match the offer in return for a little latitude in the Strasburg contract negotiations?

Thanks

Michael Wilbon: The Nationals. No question about this. Not the kid, not his dragon agent...The Nationals. What, they didn't knew Scott Boras is the kid's agent? I wrote the day before the draft the Nationals shouldn't take him because they either wouldn't get him signed or because he, like most other overall No. 1 picks who are pitchers, doesn't pan out...But the answer if this kid isn't signed is The Nationals. It would be another case of stunning incompetence...certainly not the first and I'm sure not the last.

Posted by: Kev29 | August 17, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

He won't leave 15/18+m on the table. Boras will push the envelope until 11:59 and then make the cash grab.

Posted by: 1of9000 | August 17, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon. LOL

Posted by: GoingGoingGone | August 17, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

How many millions does someone need? He and his family/grandchildren, etc. will have more than enough to last.

But I understand both sides so that is why these things go down to the wire each year.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | August 17, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon hating on a DC team, now that's a shocker!

Not.

Posted by: ImWithStupid | August 17, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry. But you have to be some special type of moron to turn down even any amount of money that has been thrown around these past few weeks.

Posted by: NatMeg | August 17, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon died to me the same day that Sean Taylor passed.

I'm just going to start calling him 1908. Like, "hey did you catch 1908's article on the Cubbies today?"

Posted by: Kev29 | August 17, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

People say it will last until 11:59, but...

Boras has a few clients in the first round who haven't signed yet, and it's said he's holding them back until after he busts the slotting system with Strasburg. If this show goes on until 11:59, there's no time left to negotiate his other clients' contracts.

Therefore, I'd expect the signing to come sooner, if at all.

Posted by: zadok1 | August 17, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon is so full of it I'm surprised he hasn't popped.
How do the nationals look bad if they don't shell out 25-50 million dollars? The kids not tested and no one in the league would pay that much for an unproven pitcher. Look at the Japenese guy that was signed last year that Boras keeps bringing up, hello? Hes done nothing to warrant what he was signed for and I doubt he ever will.
The league is learning its lesson to not spend large sums on players that haven't been tested.

Posted by: Elbaryn | August 17, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

If the Nationals do not sign SS I can guarantee it will be Ronnie Belliards fault.

Posted by: NatsandSkinsareclassclassclass | August 17, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

He will sign because how could he possibly do better next year?

If he goes back to school, it's just another year wasted against inferior competition - this does not improve his stock or value.

If he goes to the Independent League, it's the Independent League...he dominates so what, look at the competition...but then what if he doesn't? This also holds true for going to Japan.

What if he does skip out, plays ball in Japan or college and blows his arm out?

Even if he holds out for 2010 (and everything else being equal) does he or Boras, think that the KC Royals or the Pittsburgh Pirates will have a better deal waiting for him next year than the Nationals do today?

Posted by: MBUSA | August 17, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Right now the Pad's are 4th in line behind KC, Pittsburgh and Baltimore in the 2010 draft order. If SS doesn't sign with Washington, he will likely be the #3 pick of the Royals next year, after not pitching for a full year. Good luck with that.

Posted by: jksesq1 | August 17, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon, over the top annoying. Never has anything good to say about the Nats and doesn't offer any facts or rationale, just his condescending opinions.

Posted by: Section109 | August 17, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

@zadok1 - if that's true and I were one of Boras' other clients, I would be p*ssed - Boras is basically not acting in their (other clients) best interests. Indeed, if none of the Boras clients in the first round end up signing, it looks bad for both Boras and Strasburg, since it could be spun by MLB (and the Nats) that one renegade agent was trying to destroy the system rather than get players signed.

That's why I'm betting Boras starts signing the other ones first, but holding the line on Strasburg as long as he can. Something tells me this is basically a giant game of chicken - who'll swerve first?

Posted by: banjax451 | August 17, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Why does everybody balme everything on Belliard? We all know that the balme for all of the ills in the world rests with one Austin Kearns. Maybe with some help from Belliard.

Posted by: JOC44 | August 17, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

JOC44 .... maybe. In an alternate universe. We know the Truth here, though.

To learn what we're talking about, read the comments on the last two weeks of posts on this blog.

Posted by: ihatewalks | August 17, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Why does everybody balme everything on Belliard? We all know that the balme for all of the ills in the world rests with one Austin Kearns. Maybe with some help from Belliard.

Posted by: JOC44 | August 17, 2009 2:19 PM

That's funny, because my hot dog at the Park was cold a couple weeks ago and I blamed Jim Bowden

Posted by: Kev29 | August 17, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Is that 16 year-old kid from Nevada represented by Boras? If so...crap here we go again in 2010....

Posted by: jro1 | August 17, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

BORAS is only using SS for his own agenda to break the Draft pay system. He's not representing a kid who really wants to play.

Yes or no depends on if the kid steps up to his agent and says SIGN!

Can a kid do what a A-rod did. Break with his agent and sign directly with the Owner?!

Posted by: CALSGR8 | August 17, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I believe Wilbon's point from the very beginning was that the Nats should not draft SS because they will not be able to sign him because of the pre-draft propaganda coming out from the Boras camp. Don't waste the pick on this kid, and move towards someone you will be able to sign (esp. a position player). At that time, I agreed with him, and still do.

It was clear way back when that Boras was going to use this situation (and as a result, SS) to drive home the point regarding the inherent unfairness of the draft system vs. international players. It has never been about SS per se, but about changing the system, and the Nats could not (and cannot) be the anti-change agent.

Posted by: joemktg1 | August 17, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Harper is a Boras client and I think he's only 15 (he'll be 16 by next years draft). With Harper, he'll ask for more than Strasburg since he's a position player and 5 years younger. He'll be Joe Mauer and A-Roid combined.

Posted by: sec307 | August 17, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Lets be real here...
If the Nats DID NOT pick SS, then Wilbon would have ripped them for not taking the best player on the board. Wibon has no credibility regarding baseball and, in general, is something of a doofus IMO.

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Posted by: joemktg1 | August 17, 2009 2:28 PM
I believe Wilbon's point from the very beginning was that the Nats should not draft SS because they will not be able to sign him because of the pre-draft propaganda coming out from the Boras camp. Don't waste the pick on this kid, and move towards someone you will be able to sign (esp. a position player). At that time, I agreed with him, and still do.

Posted by: TimDz | August 17, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

But the Nats won't get a sniff at Harper. No way the finish with a worse record than Pittsburgh or probably KC. They might pass San Diego and Baltimore, too.

Posted by: Section314 | August 17, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

*If* reports of the 'Nats offering 16-17 million with incentives up to 20 are true, and SS does not sign, it will not reflect poorly on the team. In fact, they should pdf the offer at 12:00:01 to every news outlet so everyone sees what Boras gave up. The only other negotiation to compare this to is what the Nats did w/Texeira, who was offered 188 million (8 million more than he ended up signing for). If things don't work out, so be it. He's one torn labrum away from asking if you want to biggie size your happy meal ...

Posted by: terrapin31590us | August 17, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

@sec307 - And he has the leverage of still being a year ahead of when his draft class was expected to happen prior to the GED/Community college reports. He can re-enter the draft in 2011 and still be in line with his HS class' expected draft window.

Posted by: Brian_ | August 17, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

"BORAS is only using SS for his own agenda to break the Draft pay system. He's not representing a kid who really wants to play."

You can say many things about Scott Boras, but he ALWAYS does what his clients want. They just happen to like the idea of Option B that Boras suggests, which is, "trust me and make more money."

Posted by: Section506 | August 17, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I believe Wilbon's point from the very beginning was that the Nats should not draft SS because they will not be able to sign him because of the pre-draft propaganda coming out from the Boras camp. Don't waste the pick on this kid, and move towards someone you will be able to sign (esp. a position player). At that time, I agreed with him, and still do.

Posted by: joemktg1 | August 17, 2009 2:28 PM

If the club passed on Strasburg, they would have been **SLAYED** in the media. Including, most likely, Wilbon - who tries to destroy the team every chance he gets. Heck, many on this very blog were furious when they drafted Storen for (perceived) sign-ability, and that was with the 9a slot.

The Nationals were right to draft him and they're right to offer him record breaking, but not insane money. It's all they can do. Make a very strong offer and if Boras passes, then it's his funeral.

Posted by: Kev29 | August 17, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

But the Nats won't get a sniff at Harper. No way the finish with a worse record than Pittsburgh or probably KC. They might pass San Diego and Baltimore, too.

Posted by: Section314 | August 17, 2009 2:36 PM

Agreed. Pittsburgh are totally tanking.

Posted by: Kev29 | August 17, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

> Agreed. Pittsburgh are totally tanking.

Blame Milledge.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | August 17, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"Pittsburgh are totally tanking."

This blew my admittedly limited grammar mind. The Pirates ARE totally tanking. Pittsburgh IS totally tanking.

BUT LOOK! IT'S REFERRING TO THE SAME OBJECT!!!

This is the problem with growing up in a school system that doesn't believe in teaching grammar.

Posted by: Section506 | August 17, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

so they got the same poll on espn mobile site with opposite results. I guess we here believe in glass being half full.

Posted by: gatsu | August 17, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Let the deal hang out there. Either the kid wants to play ball or not. I'm sick of people pointing the finger at management for not spending enough money. You offer a record deal and then walk away and let the kid decide. This a recession folks. This team with a 20 game winner added into the fold (which would be very optimistic) is still a team with a lot of holes. Why would I want to pay more to go sit in the park and watch them lose? Keep the ticket prices down, and keep trying to find guys that love to play the game. If the kids loves it, the money is just the cherry. If the kid loves the money, he'll probably just flop. If you look at all time greats in American team sports, the ones that make the hall are the ones that play with passion and dedication. This is a unique opportunity to evaluate what motivates the kid. Throwing money at him isn't going to help this franchise.

Posted by: bermudml | August 17, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

""Pittsburgh are totally tanking."

This blew my admittedly limited grammar mind. The Pirates ARE totally tanking. Pittsburgh IS totally tanking."

Maybe in America, but in other English-speaking lands when referring to the team they would say Pittsburgh ARE tanking. But I guess you could argue that Pittsburgh are in America, so that are wrong.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | August 17, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone really think Pittsburgh would draft Harper? Or even KC for that matter? I could see Harper fall to us at 3 or 4, depending on the teams (as well as how much, if any, SS gets this year).

I think Porcello was considered the best available his year and I think he went about 18th to Detroit. Signability is big to clubs like Pitt, so they won't go near another Boras client with a ten foot pole.

Posted by: sec307 | August 17, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

To: Chico Harlan
From: Law offices of Engulf and Devour

Re:Postings

Dear Mr. Harlan

I represent the entire Nats Journal Nation who have contacted me about postings on Stephen Strasburg day.

Because most of my clients are hitting refresh every sixty seconds or so to find the latest news on the Strasburg situation--and finding nothing new--I demand the following:

1. You provide your loyal and generous readers with an update every 15 minutes. If nothing is new, say "Nothing new."

2. You provide your readers with Stephen Strasburg's home phone number, just in case

3. You provide your readers with Scott Boras' home phone number, just for fun.

If you fail to provide relief as outlined to your readers, I will have no choice but to make sure you never get a job in the restaurant and gourmet foods industry.

As proof of Engulf and Devour's power, we have already blacklisted you from the fast food industry.

Just try to get a job at McDonalds. Just try.

Thanks for doing the right thing, and doing it every 15 minutes.

John Edwards
Associate Attorney
Engulf and Devour

Posted by: rushfari | August 17, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Maybe in America, but in other English-speaking lands when referring to the team they would say Pittsburgh ARE tanking. But I guess you could argue that Pittsburgh are in America, so that are wrong.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | August 17, 2009 2:53 PM

The British are coming! :-)

Posted by: Kev29 | August 17, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

To: Chico Harlan
From: Law offices of Engulf and Devour

Re:Postings

Posted by: rushfari
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Very nice, rushfari!!!

Posted by: smurff1 | August 17, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

No, Boras is known for convincing his clients (see Aaron Crowe) to hold out for a year or two to get a higher bonus. What he doesn't tell them is that in most cases it definitely affects their professional career as the biggest payout comes when they become free agents ... and to become a sought after free agent you have to put in the farm team time and time with the parent club.

IMHO [bold prediction] Trevor Holder will become a more valuable starting pitcher than Strasburg. Drew Storen already is more valuable and will continue to be so sans injury (knock-on-wood).

Posted by: periculum | August 17, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"If the Nationals do not sign SS I can guarantee it will be Ronnie Belliards fault.

Posted by: NatsandSkinsareclassclassclass | August 17, 2009"

Belliard is definitely the absolute worst thing to happen to Washington DC. A statue of him belongs in the Willard Hotel lobby ... or a Belliard gargoyle on the top of the National Cathedral.

Posted by: periculum | August 17, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

""Pittsburgh are totally tanking."

This makes sense to me. It's like Toys R Us. Pittsburgh R Tanking. It's what they are, their essence.

Posted by: EdDC | August 17, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Traderumors (via SI) says that the Nats offered 12.5, not 17... for what it's worth.

I think this will get done tonight.

Posted by: sec307 | August 17, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Jon Heyman is saying the offer is $12.5MM. If that's the case, then no. If it is, as some here have suggested, closer to $20MM, then yeah, it probably happens.

Posted by: pondaz | August 17, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

No, Boras is known for convincing his clients (see Aaron Crowe) to hold out for a year or two to get a higher bonus.
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Crow is not a Boras client. I believe he is represented by the Hendricks Brothers.

Posted by: BGinVA | August 17, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

My uncle's cousin is reporting (via my sister) that the Nats are offering $31.375 million. For what it's worth.

Posted by: shepdave2003 | August 17, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I have yet to see any evidence that Heyman ever has reliable information. It is almost like he is having a make believe conversation on a plastic toy phone like a one year old, then he decides it sounded like a good conversation so he should blog about it.

Posted by: NeedANatsFix | August 17, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Boras at his best...

The Rays don't expect to sign either one of their top two draft picks, according to Marc Lancaster of the Tampa Tribune. The Rays expect to receive compensation picks in next year's draft for failing to sign first rounder Levon Washington and second rounder Kenny Diekroeger. Rays executive vice president Andrew Friedman said the team offered Washington a bonus "consistent with late first round picks," but could not come to an agreement with Washington and his agent, Scott Boras.

Posted by: BGinVA | August 17, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

here's a poll:

heyman or wilbon.

Posted by: longterm | August 17, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

If Heymann is right about $12.5M (and that is a BIG IF where Heymann is concerned), looks like the Nats are putting up an offer about as realistic as Boras/Starsburg at $50M.

Posted by: ArlingtonNatsFan | August 17, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Scott Boras: Lucca Bracchi is looking for you.

Posted by: periculum | August 17, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

i actually HOPE the Lerner's walk away from it, if Boras is pushing for more than $18-20M. just not worth it, relative to other pickups for that kind of money.

Posted by: DCguy7 | August 17, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Heyman is a Nats hater, Tom Verducci not so much.

Posted by: leetee1955 | August 17, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Just out of curiousity, is it because nobody cares, or because everyone was distracted... that nobody mentioned that Logan Kensing was DFA'd...

Posted by: wigi | August 17, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

In the midst of all this, I see that Kensing was DFA.

Posted by: dand187 | August 17, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Just so long as there's a "neither" option.

Wonder whether Chico feels like he's on a long car ride with a carload of kiddies who keep shouting "are we there yet?" Come on, midnight!

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here's a poll:

heyman or wilbon.

Posted by: longterm | August 17, 2009 3:18 PM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 17, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Here's an analogy:

Shot or suppository?

_____________________________________________________

here's a poll:

heyman or wilbon.

Posted by: longterm | August 17, 2009 3:18 PM

Posted by: TimDz | August 17, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the laugh, TimDz (I assume that's an injection rather than the bar room type of shot).

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 17, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Heyman say the Nats had screwed up the deal with FLA and Johnson was staying in DC like an hour before deadline?

Posted by: Section506 | August 17, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"Thanks for the laugh, TimDz (I assume that's an injection rather than the bar room type of shot)."

No, no. Then it would be "shot THEN suppository"

Posted by: Section506 | August 17, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

tick tock tick tock. today sucks.

Posted by: trezmartin | August 17, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Logan got DFA.

And you can't trade draft picks.

And the wife of the guy who sealed the wood on my deck reports that the Nats have offered $35.29345 million. For what it's worth.

Posted by: shepdave2003 | August 17, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

maybe that's what we should give Boras, then lock all the bathroom doors.
May not make the negotiations go any smoother, but it would make it more interesting...
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"Thanks for the laugh, TimDz (I assume that's an injection rather than the bar room type of shot)."

No, no. Then it would be "shot THEN suppository"

Posted by: Section506 | August 17, 2009 3:32 PM

Posted by: TimDz | August 17, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"Just out of curiousity, is it because nobody cares, or because everyone was distracted... that nobody mentioned that Logan Kensing was DFA'd..."

Logan Kensing DFA'd again? Nobody comments? Well, everyone knows that the sequel never gets the same notice as the original, right?

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | August 17, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

It's adorable that any of you think the Nats are relevant enough to be hated.

Posted by: pondaz | August 17, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

This is a bad day to try to do things like focus on facts, but...

"Boras is known for convincing his clients (see Aaron Crowe)..."

1. Boras didn't represent Aaron CROW (no e). Hendricks Sports Management did. Not sure who represents Aaron Crowe - what's his fastball like?

2. Contrary to popular belief, Boras has a pretty good (but not perfect) record of getting his clients signed. Alvarez, Hosmer, Moustakas, Wieters, Porcello, all Boras clients, all signed. He's an insufferable jerk, but he usually gets them signed. I think there's very little chance that it's not done by tomorrow am.

Posted by: Highway295Revisited | August 17, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I wonder who gets the call up after Logan was sent down..

Be nice to Chico I can't imagine there's much to say at this point.

I agree that the Nats are stormin back and will complete the 10.5 game comeback (right?) to reach 29th.

Posted by: nattaboy | August 17, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"Pittsburgh are totally tanking."

All their base are belong to us!!

Posted by: poncedeleroy | August 17, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and from espn power rankings:

"The Washington Nationals deserve some kudos. After 19 weeks of occupying the No. 30 spot, they finally have escaped the cellar, moving up to No. 29, ahead of the new No. 30, the Kansas City Royals."

Posted by: nattaboy | August 17, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey, remember this: "You don't care what we're paying. You just want him here. I get that."
-Stan Kasten
[http://voices.washingtonpost.com/nationalsjournal/2009/01/the_stanifesto.html]

It's true Stan- I just want him here! Make it happen!

Posted by: cheeseburger53 | August 17, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Pittsburgh am tanking.

Posted by: chopin224 | August 17, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon is right on cue with this. It will be the Nationals fault if they dont sign him. Why do you think teams shy away from Boras' clients? Certainly the high profile ones...Even the Red Sox have a strained relationship with Boras. All players and agents are greedy and most of us probably would be too if we were in that position. We cant sit back with what most of us make and say "his family is taken care of, why does he need more?" when we make 30-150k or so. It is a totally different mind set. The Nationals knew what they were getting into, and especially after failing to sign Crow last year.

On a side note I would argue that Wilbon hates the DC teams. The issue is sadly most of them suck. I love the Redskins and will root for them regardless but I know the truth...they arent that good. They didnt score in a preseason game, Zorn looks over matched way too often and maybe thats due to personel. I admire Snyders spirit but he needs to learn to hire guys who are really good at what they do and let them do their job. The Wizards arent good either, and this year we are going small. The Nationals are a joke, and only the Capitals have been good and showing they should be a force for years to come. It is a bit sad that the only thing we have won in the last 15 years is with DC United. Fans here are dying for some competitive teams and its up to the owners to get their act together and put something worthy out.

Posted by: Killerangel81 | August 17, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Do not, I repeat Nats, DO NOT offer this punk anymore money. He says he wants to play and then hires Boras. Make up your mind. I now believe that drafting SS was a mistake.
I am not inclined to blame the Nats because it is not necessary to allocate blame in this situation. Would they have been questioned and vilified by the fans? Probably. But so is Snyder and it doesn't bother him. Lesson learned, move on. If SS signs next year, I am sure it will be for less than the Nats offered.

Posted by: chopin224 | August 17, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

"The Washington Nationals deserve some kudos. After 19 weeks of occupying the No. 30 spot, they finally have escaped the cellar, moving up to No. 29, ahead of the new No. 30, the Kansas City Royals."

If the pitching holds out ... if the starters can all be consistent at the same time, and the bullpen discards Kensing ... then ... just maybe
they will continue through August and into September on a torrid pace ... that could put them quite a bit higher on the power rankings if not in the standings.

Posted by: periculum | August 17, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

"All players and agents are greedy and most of us probably would be too if we were in that position."

Not to mention that under this definition of greed, all owners are greedy, too. If you're on the product side, you want as much as possible, if you're on the purchasing side, you want as little as possible. If you want to see people that love the game, come on out to the National Mall any day of the week and watch the beer leagues.

Posted by: Section506 | August 17, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

It's adorable that any of you think the Nats are relevant enough to be hated.

Posted by: pondaz

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I'm sorry but this cracked me up!

Posted by: NatsNut | August 17, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

@506....no news for several more hours.....are you ready to tell use what a months worth of data tells us about Acta vs Riggs?

Posted by: JayBeee | August 17, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Killerange181, I agree that the Caps are the best at franchise building in this town.

Skins do not think ahead but fund the team. Caps think ahead and fund the team. Nats think ahead but do not fund the team. The Wiz fund the team OK (they gave Arenas $111 million) but don't think ahead. So the Caps are the only one to do both.

However, I do feel the Nats were right to draft SS. You have to draft the players you consider the best, even though they might cost more. After all, whatever the Nats end up paying for SS, it will be cheaper than getting a possible ace any other way.

Posted by: EdDC | August 17, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

The poll has been getting more and more negative every time I refresh. I voted no this morning but now I think it'll happen.

Bob Carpenter's comments, recorded on the Bog, make the most sense. That is, SS probably told Boras "Get me the most money you can, but I want to sign."

Posted by: nattaboy | August 17, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Kensing DFA'ed? Where's Chico's update?

Posted by: periculum | August 17, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Here's my take boys and girls:
Offer SS up to $20 million. If that ain't enough for him, move on.
Yes, the Nats will look awful for not getting the deal done and will take a PR hit. But they'll sign somebody else next year with the second pick (plus another high pick).
If we DO sign SS--and I hope we do--don't expect him to be a Godsend. Not a single one of the top pitcher picks in history became a Hall of Famer. SS will be the ONLY exception to the rule if he makes it to the Hall. But he may turn out to be at least a good pitcher, and we need a few of those, and were going to need them even if JZimm hadn't gotten hurt and need them especially now that we've lost him til 2011.
So life will go on one way or another after midnight tonight. Hope we can celebrate bringing the greedy little ... oh sorry.... the wonderful young man aboard.

Posted by: jdsp2000 | August 17, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Ho hum wondering who they bring up to replace Kensing? Nothing on the farm authority yet ... Brian Oliver must be on vacation.

Posted by: periculum | August 17, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon must have been chocking on his "Ham Sandwich" during his "Live" session today. He actually had to answer 3 questions in regards to the Nats and SS.

Just waiting for the local sports media onslaught tomorrow if the Nats don't sign SS. Imagine all the clowns will have an opinion yet none of them have even an ounce of creditability.
Junkies, Wise, Pollie, Czaban please STFU!

Posted by: TippyCanoe | August 17, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

It is not an indictment of the Nationals if Strasburg doesn't sign their offer. Here's why:

1. They have reportedly offered him the highest contract ever for a draft pick. That shows we are willing to spend the money, much like we were prepared to pay Tex. That reinforces the teams credibility, even with all the crap that has happened over the last few years.

2. If Strasburg doesn't sign, then it wasn't about the money... it means he doesn't want to play here. Fine, go play in St Paul or Anchorage. We'll take the 2nd pick next year.

3. This city has learned that paying ridiculous contracts can be very very stupid (Juwan Howard, Jaromir Jagr and Deion Sanders come to mind). I have faith that the fans will see that we made a more than fair offer, he turned it down and that money can be spent on a bunch of quality players instead of 1 maybe-great-who-has-never-pitched-a-day-in-the-majors-pitcher that doesn't want to be here anyway.

4. The team is playing great ball right now. They've beaten some good teams in the last month, won 8 in a row (the longest streak in the league this year, by the way), Rizzo has rebuilt a terrible bullpen in mid season (which I keep hearing from all over the sport is virtually unheard of) signed all but 2 of their draft picks (obviously Strasburg being 1), made the best trade in the league so far, in my opinion (Lastings Milledge and Joel Hanrahan for Nyger Morgan Sean Burnett) and are moving in the same direction they were moving before the 2008 season.

I hope he signs, but if he doesn't, the team has done the right things with him the whole way. It won't be their fault if he walks. reportedly 17 mill with bonuses that could make it 20 mill? Straburg has no choice but to sign, in my opinion

Posted by: jmurray019 | August 17, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I agree that the Nats are stormin back and will complete the 10.5 game comeback (right?) to reach 29th.

Posted by: nattaboy | August 17, 2009 3:38 PM
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Careful what you wish for. As much as it might cost, wouldn't you want the Nats to have a chance to sign Bryce Palmer next year...assuming the Strasburg thing gets worked out? There's only one Albert Pujols...for now.

Posted by: fischy | August 17, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

It's the opposite for me. I looked at the leak as a desperate move to negotiate through the media.

"Record-breaking contract." Which side to you think would refer to the offer that way?

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Since I heard the Nats put a $17 M deal with incentives to get to $20 M, I have been pretty confident.

Posted by: JohninMpls | August 17, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

In other news:

WASHINGTON -- The Nationals designated reliever Logan Kensing for assignment after Sunday's game against the Reds.

Kensing was given the news by interim manager Jim Riggleman, pitching coach Steve McCatty and acting general manager Mike Rizzo, when the team arrived at Nationals Park Sunday night.

Kensing was 0-2 with a 10.71 ERA in 17 games for Washington.

On Saturday, Riggleman acknowledged that he was baffled by Kensing's performance as of late. In his past six appearances, Kensing has given up 12 runs over 7 1/3 innings. Riggleman doesn't think there is something wrong with Kensing's arm. In Saturday's game against Cincinnati, in fact, Kensing's fastball was clocked at 96 mph.

"Steve McCatty and I talk about it a lot," Riggleman said. "Something is easy to see for the hitter or Kensing is tipping his pitches, because when you throw that good and [the hitters] square the ball up on him like they have the past couple of weeks, something is wrong there.

"He throws too good to get hit that hard. We hope he gets it straightened out. We wanted him to have a clean inning and build on it. It just didn't happened."

It's not known who the Nationals will call up on Tuesday. The Nationals are considering either outfielder Justin Maxwell or infielder Mike Morse, both of whom are with Triple-A Syracuse.

Maxwell had two stints with Washington this season, going 3-for-24 with an RBI. Morse, who came from the Mariners in the Ryan Langerhans trade last June, is hitting .327 with six home runs and 31 RBIs for Syracuse.

Posted by: periculum | August 17, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

If you want to see people that love the game, come on out to the National Mall any day of the week and watch the beer leagues.

Posted by: Section506 | August 17, 2009 3:53 PM
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(pant, pant)
"Hey gang! What's going on today? I just got back from the Mall (hic) from my game. It's a scorcher! So, what's going on today?"

Posted by: mo_dc | August 17, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

It gets really screwed up with teams like the Minnesota Wild or the Stanford Cardinal.

I actually worked that into an article I wrote for my college newspaper about why people should hate the Colorado Avalanche. It's confusing for sportswriters!

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"Pittsburgh are totally tanking."

This blew my admittedly limited grammar mind. The Pirates ARE totally tanking. Pittsburgh IS totally tanking.

BUT LOOK! IT'S REFERRING TO THE SAME OBJECT!!!

This is the problem with growing up in a school system that doesn't believe in teaching grammar.

Posted by: Section506

Posted by: JohninMpls | August 17, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of beer:

If Aaron Crow became a Boras client, THEN could we trade the draft pick?

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 17, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

It's easier if you're British. Then if the team are tanking, you don't care, because they don't cover baseball.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 17, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

In other news:

Syracuse bombed the O's farm Rochester 16-5.

Morse was 4 for 6 with a triple and 3 RBI. He is now hitting .339.

Maxwell went 1 for 5 with 3 runs also reaching on an error and a base on balls.

Desmond went 0 for 5 and is now hitting .297

Kory Casto went 3 for 5 raising his average to .281. Looks like he may finally be "getting it".

Wilkie got the win as Martis went 6 allowing 5 runs.

Morse is hitting around .320 in AAA overall with 16 home runs, 3 triples and 26 doubles in 419 at bats.

Maxwell is hitting .245 in 339 at bats, with 13 home runs, 9 doubles, and 5 triples, 31 stolen bases.

Posted by: periculum | August 17, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Ooops ... I date myself ... Rochester is affiliated with the Twins.

Posted by: periculum | August 17, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

New post time Chico?

Posted by: periculum | August 17, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

"@506....no news for several more hours.....are you ready to tell use what a months worth of data tells us about Acta vs Riggs?"

Nope, I wasn't able to do an analysis this weekend like I had wanted, since other life things got in the way. It looks like due to a business schedule I won't be able to break things down as promised until September.

Can we do a rain check and if we do, would you mind if I included the additional data?

Posted by: Section506 | August 17, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

"Crow is not a Boras client. I believe he is represented by the Hendricks Brothers."

Posted by: BGinVA

Jimmy Hendricks' brothers are sports agents? Cool.

And in case you were wondering, Habeeb over at the 7-11 says that the Nats offered Strasburg 50 million drachmas and a copy of "Slumdog Millionaire"

Posted by: jmurray019 | August 17, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

No, not Hendrix, Hendricks. Blame it on the purple haze in here today.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 17, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Also, Jimi, it's on!

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 17, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

OK, I'll vote no - he won't sign, but it's just a guess.

Maybe unfairly, I wont believe that SS wants to play here until he signs, and I won't believe that he is THAT good until he is mowing down professional lineups.

Likewise, I'd like to believe that the Lerners would not let a small gap (a few million) prevent a signing. But . . . we'll see.

Posted by: KenNat | August 17, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Is Belliard in a purple haze?

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No, not Hendrix, Hendricks. Blame it on the purple haze in here today.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 17, 2009 4:27 PM

Posted by: TimDz | August 17, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Good stuff peri'

The nays gain another percentage point.

I for one don't know much about this Bryce kid, and I don't care to. Going on a hot streak will do a lot for this franchise. Not just for the standings this year. I'm thinking respectability as a team, more excitment around town and butts in seats, and free agents not being scared to sign with us.

I also would like to see Rizz and Riggs have some success so they can stick around and we can build some continuity.

Posted by: nattaboy | August 17, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

batting .281 in AAA isn't really a strong indication of "getting it". Kory Casto is a below average major league player and an above average minor league player. Thats it.

Bring up Morse or one of the relievers.

Posted by: FloresFan | August 17, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Please, no Justin Maxwell callup. I'd rather play a man short with 24.

Posted by: jdschulz50 | August 17, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

The reported $17-$20 million offer was from a blog post on MASN that was primarily focused on the Orioles. Sports Illustrated is reporting the Nats' offer was $12.5 million. If SI is correct and the Nats' don't ultimately go to $20million, then this franchise is a joke.

$12.5 million is less than Prior's contract, if you adjust for inflation. So much for that being a 'record breaking' deal. If they weren't serious about paying for Strasburg, they shouldn't have drafted him.

Posted by: ralphwiggum1 | August 17, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon became pure garbage to me after his ignorant comments about Taylor's murder. I still haven't clicked on one of his columns to this day.

Posted by: bogardp | August 17, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Oooh, that's a wrinkle. I thought we had ironed all of those out.

Does this year's depressed baseball economy offset the inflation, and if so, how much?

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$12.5 million is less than Prior's contract, if you adjust for inflation.

Posted by: JohninMpls | August 17, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Boswell and others have reported that baseball revenues have nearly doubled since Prior's contract. So there is no depressed baseball economy if you take the long view.

Posted by: ralphwiggum1 | August 17, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

How about this sign:

Sept 1, 2009 headlines:
WAS@SD
WP - J Lannan
LP - M Latos
SV - D Storen

Ft Worth Cats @ El Paso Diablos
WP - S Strasburg
LP - T Lerner
SV - S Boras

Yeah yeah, it's a little wordy, but I like it. Personally, I think getting the top picks a taste of the show early (e.g. Detwiler last year) is GREAT incentive for future top picks to sign. It's one of the best incentives cheap teams who won't pay above slot can have, but also good for a young organization.

I'll be at the park tomorrow night, so curious which ones we WILL see.

Posted by: mo_dc | August 17, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

The O-wee-oo's just traded Audrey Huff to the Tiger's. I will miss catcalling him at the Nat's/O's games every summer.

The teller at the bank just told that the Nats offered Strasburg $5 bucks, a lifetime of all-you-can-eat from Ben's Chili Bowl and a bag of cheetos.

He should take it.

Posted by: jmurray019 | August 17, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

With all the focus on you know who,the Rockies come to town tommorow in the thick of the "wild card" race, actually leading the race and wasn't it just a few months ago these same Rockies were fifteen games under .500 and headed for oblivion but the GM took a bold step fired the manager and the rest is shall we say history now our beloved Nats aren't the Rock's but one can only wonder if Rizzo or StanK had pulled the trigger earlier............... .

Posted by: dargregmag | August 17, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

@506....very good then....use all the data you like....just make sure you look at the defense...something that Acta refused to work on.....just a quick back of the envelope check of wins and loses tells me that Acta was a huge part of the problem. Care to comment on just what your eyes tell you?

Posted by: JayBeee | August 17, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I dont buy the argument that the Nationals are absolved from blame if SS doesn't sign. Maybe if the Crow disaster had not happened last year, I could see their argument- but after that lesson they knew darn well that signing draft picks is difficult. That leaves them no excuse for picking Strasburg and not signing him with the known fact that SS would demand unprecedented money. Their chance to act on this was by drafting someone else, end of story. They made this mess themselves and are at the point where they have to suck it up and overpay him or else pay a dear price. Its not what Strasburg is worth (which is debatable) to the Nats or if he will be a bust- the Nats HAVE to prove to this city that they want to win or else baseball in this town is cooked for the short term.

They have to get it through their thick skulls that people will accept it if Strasburg is huge bust. Every team in baseball would take the chance on the kid, so they have to as well. How can the fans blame them for signing a bust when EVERYONE would do the same at this point?

Posted by: tylerlang | August 17, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

That's a big "if" when you're talking to guys like Dunn, who would've received bigger paydays had they become UFAs one year earlier.

I mean, I buy it. I don't think this year's baseball economics are playing a part in Boras's figures. But almost everyone else was paid less in 2009.

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Boswell and others have reported that baseball revenues have nearly doubled since Prior's contract. So there is no depressed baseball economy if you take the long view.

Posted by: JohninMpls | August 17, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Re: Ft Worth Cats, I guess I could've had A Crow as LP, but he's not held to the deadline.

From what I understand, THAT is a dummy move, for him and Hendricks bros. Last year, we were talking about maybe 500k, and for him to negotiate with hometown KC this year is what they get to show for it -- and 500k LESS than last year's offer.

How many wins for Ft. Worth will Crow have next year before the draft? That'll cost him 2 years of MLB time before becoming a free agent. Must not teach much math at U of Missouri, at least to baseball players.

Posted by: mo_dc | August 17, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

new post

Posted by: mo_dc | August 17, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

How about this sign- I shortened mo_dc's concept so better suited for a sign:

Sept 1, 2010 Scoreboard:
WAS 0 SD 5
WP - S. Strasburg
LP - T. Lerner
SV - S. Boras

Posted by: cheeseburger53 | August 17, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

> The O-wee-oo's just traded Audrey Huff to the Tiger's.

The Tigers will be disappointed, cuz Audrey Huff throws like a girl.

Posted by: nunof1 | August 17, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I'll cut the Nats some slack if $12.5 was the opening offer (even though I think it's low). But if we find out tomorrow that they ultimately wouldn't go as high as $20 million, then I have to wonder why they drafted the kid in the first place.

Posted by: ralphwiggum1 | August 17, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Relax everybody...the kid will sign. He can't be that stupid......can he?

Posted by: cokedispatch | August 17, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Too much to lose on both sides. Nats cannot afford not to sign him, but I can't imaging Strasburg playing in Japan or sitting out a year. It will be at the last minute but a deal will get done.

Posted by: henryschmeltzer | August 17, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Just ask Aaron Crow how sitting out is helping his negotiations. Last offer from the KC Royals was $3mil. Aaron can't sit out another year and expect to hit the big payday. Boras told his client to sit out and the gamble isn't doing his client very well. If Strasburg follows the same path, he is a fool and Boras should lose his license to be an agent. The agent should be looking out for the best interests of his client. Extended hold outs, re-entering the draft shows that the agent has muscle, but the loser is the 20-something year old kid who only has so many years to cash in on his ability. The chances of success are so stacked against these kids already that this agent is wrong to expose them to even more. What will happen if Strasburg is injured or struggles? He will be jeered forever as a bust and be on ESPN's top 10 busts (ask Ryan lEaf how he feels about that).

Posted by: KSY_in_NOVA | August 17, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

HEY EVERYONE HATING ON WILBON BECAUSE HE'S A CUBS FAN CHEW ON THIS: F*CK THE NATIONALS, THEY SUCK. THEYVE NEVER EVEN MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS SO DON'T TALK SH*T ABOUT THE CUBS WHEN YOUR TEAM CAN'T EVEN GET TO THE POSTSEASON.

Posted by: letsgobears000 | August 17, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I'll cut the Nats some slack if $12.5 was the opening offer (even though I think it's low). But if we find out tomorrow that they ultimately wouldn't go as high as $20 million, then I have to wonder why they drafted the kid in the first place.

Are you willing to pay more on your tickets? Why is $12.5m ($2.5m over the previous record) not enough?

The next time I hear some fool say on the Lavar Arrington show that it was disgraceful the Nationals didn't sign Aaron Crowe, I'm gonna scream. I think the Nationals came out ahead on that one.

I'd rather the Nats stink for sometime and become a contender like Tampa rather than spend money like the Orioles and be mediocre to horrible for longer.

Is it just me or does Arrington's co-host really stink?

Posted by: GoEagles | August 17, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

1908

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 17, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

There has never been a great #1 draft pick pitcher. I hope Strasburg breaks the string...and I hope the nats sign him.

Posted by: rjma1 | August 17, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

They will sign him tonight - he has zero leverage next year and he doesn't want to play in Japan or some lame independent league.

Posted by: nativedc | August 17, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

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