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Welcoming Back the Old Workhorse

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With respect to the Livo signing: I am a fan. Unquestionably. Granted, Mike Rizzo made this good, smart baseball move for good, smart, baseball reasons, but my reasoning here is quite different, which is why I'm a journalist and not a GM. I am a sentimental fool, and even if this turns out to be a bad, non-smart baseball move (if, say, Livan goes out tonight and gives up eight runs in 2-1/3), I still love the idea of seeing the big guy in a Nats uniform, same as I love reunion tours and driving old cars.

There's almost no downside here. Worst case, Hernandez can be a short-term mentor for a few of the Nats' young pitchers; even if he gets lit up on the mound, he's worth listening to. From what I hear, he's colorful and competitive. I'm excited to cover him. Put Livo on the mound, back with his old team, and there's intrigue. The Nationals don't have much history, but this pitcher figures heavily into whatever there is.

Over at the Sports Bog, Steinberg takes us back to Hernandez's performance in the 2005 home opener. I went through the Post archives and found the image of the front page from the following morning. Damn! Newspapers don't get much more beautiful than that.

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Maybe you've heard that Livan Hernandez is a workhorse. A nexis search for those two terms -- "Livan Hernandez" + workhorse -- actually returns 552 news documents, including 13 in the Post. Far as I can tell, Hernandez was first referred to as a workhorse on July 2, 1998, when an observant Miami Herald staff writer named Dave Sheinin wrote, "Marlins workhorse Livan Hernandez (7-4) pitched 7-2/3 innings to get the win, and Cliff Floyd and Todd Dunwoody each drove in two runs for the Marlins, who have won three straight and nine out of 13."

Behold: A trend was established. When in spring training 2004 the Expos decided to name Livo as their Opening Day starter, the headline in one Montreal paper actually began, "Workhorse Livan Hernandez..." When Hernandez signed in the 2008 offseason with Minnesota, the Twins "got the veteran workhorse they wanted." (Minneapolis Star-Tribune.) In late May, when Livan threw a complete game against the Nats at Citi Field, the New York Daily News called it a "workhorse night."

Less common are any references that describe Livo as a warhorse, which is I guess what results when the work gets so lousy that it starts to feel like war. For Washington's sake, let's hope Hernandez hasn't gotten to that stage yet. But even if he has, oh well.

By Chico Harlan  |  August 26, 2009; 12:03 PM ET
 
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wow -- new posted in record time...

While were in Chicago, it is good to remember all the money we didn't sepnd on Soriono after 2006.

Posted by: twinbrook | August 26, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

and posted first twice in a row!

Posted by: twinbrook | August 26, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the memories, Chico. (grrrr...Lance Cormier)

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 26, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

It's hard to be a big fan of Debbie (tho a big fan of Dibbie; he's no punk, as is Mark Lerner: "April 24, 1991. Cincinnati's Rob Dibble, facing Houston for the first time since starting a fight with a fastball, tied a National League record with six straight strikeouts.").

I do appreciate that she has ditched the poofy-sleeved summer dresses, tho.

I suppose, she could not resist putting Mark on her Mike at Wrigley last night, but seeing him made my blood boil.

Mark Lerner still loves Jim Bowden, the slickee boy, the Dollar Store bottom-feeder.

What kind of guy has a ‘close personal relationship’ with someone so volatile, unpredictable, and nasty. The kind of guy who does NOT love non-volatile Mike Rizzo. Stan relished ‘the chance to hand-pick a partner,’ but Stan wanted Mike Rizzo. Almost all of us did. It became a duh, deal by deal. His admiration grew since March 1. What were those things he was ‘working on,’ the things he was ‘thinking about’ on March 1? Reorganization of the FO?

Ted Lerner did not want to be embarrassed (gimme a D, gimmee a U, gimmee an I. Whaddya got? Jim Bowden!) again. Pass(ing)over (sic) Mike meant that he would soon be embarrassed. A lot. For a long time.

Boz says, about Stan “There are people who'd like to see (Stan) leave.”

That people is Mark Lerner, who wanted another slickee boy. As Stan said: "Let's just say Mike bailed me out on Monday."

Mark Lerner, our next target for derision. Seeing and hearing him last night just reminds me that he is that kid in HS who you smacked on the head as he passed you in the hallway in HS. For no reason. Except the punk reason. Just because he is that kid, a rich sycophant incarnate.

Mark Lerner still loves Jim Bowden.

Posted by: nova_g_man | August 26, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I was just saying to a friend at the Nats-Brewers game last Sunday that it would be great if Nats got Livo back. Like you said, Chico, there's little downside to this pickup.
Separately, that was an awesome offensive display last night from the boys. Riggleman's got them playing about .500--not bad at all.
Looking forward, we still need a lot of pitching help and maybe a middle infielder. But we seem to have fewer question marks today than we did entering the season.
Keep hope alive!

Posted by: jdsp2000 | August 26, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

What I love about this, besides Livo's talents and guts, is we basically got back what we traded for getting Matt Chico and Garrett Mock. So we traded Livo for two guys we still have and now have Livo back. It's the ultimate "player to be named later" trade. Only Mike Rizzo could have engineered this. I hope he wins a couple games this year, gets invited to ST and earns his spot back next year. Plus, the Mets are paying his salary. What, exactly, is not to like?

Posted by: jdschulz50 | August 26, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Put me down for being a big fan admirer of Jim Bowden. He did great things while he was here, especially what he had to work with. Rizzo will be fine, but haven't seen any great trades yet. Still waiting out the Morgan trade. Stan has go to go though. He is awful. The marketing and PR of this team still stinks and this under him. I hope he leaves soon, but I don't see it happening.

Posted by: brothbart | August 26, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Chico - thanks for the link to the paper the day after opening day. It was fun to look at (esp. for those of us who don't get the dead tree edition).

I LOVE the Livo signing too - I'm a big fan and am excited to have him even if it's just for a month.

Top this with a big win last night, and I'm a happy camper this morning. Whew!

Posted by: PattyinSJ | August 26, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

And what a gorgeous photograph by Toni L. Sandys, right down to the little fountain of dirt kicked up by Brad Wilkerson's spikes, that fills most of the page above the fold in that sports section front Chico linked to.

I remember having tears in my eyes several times that evening. And this moment when the Nationals took the field was most certainly one of them.

Posted by: greggwiggins | August 26, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

>What, exactly, is not to like?

Posted by: jdschulz50

He's gonna get shellacked. Might not happen in his first start, but it'll start happening soon. It's too bad he's taking major league innings away from the pimply punks that need them at this point. They can shut the rookies down, but it's not going to help them figure out what they've got. Some of them can look good for 4-5 innings and then fall completely apart. Until they get through 6 or 7 innings more than once, the team won't know where they stand with them. They won't have enough time in spring training to re-establish themselves because there will be new arms in camp taking away innings from them. Shutting them down is ridiculous, imo, because Stammen, Mock, Balester, etc., should all be pitching for their lives instead of being short-circuited at the end of this season. None of them is all that great, and they haven't shown they belong on a consistent basis. It's not like they're shutting Strasburg down, it's just a bunch of mediocre pitchers that still have a shot at big league careers. They need to build up the arm strength to be successful, and they can't do that sitting on their asses.

Posted by: Brue | August 26, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

As noted in a previous post: welcome back, Livo.

As for other Nats in the news, Aaron [ ] Boone will rejoin the Astros when the rosters expand on Friday:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4422558

Talk about heart...

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 26, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Now that Stan Kasten has taken Mark Lerner to Wrigley Field and squired him around there, I'm sure Mark has totally forgotten about his old suitor Jim Bowden, who never took him nowhere.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | August 26, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Brue I disagree. With the innings limit we have on our young arms, once we shut them down should we bring up even less experienced arms to get pounded and get their confidence shattered? Livo will gobble some innings, I'd rather he do it then some AA pitcher best suited at this stage in his career to be pitching in AA. As for him losing, well, gets us closer to the Harper-Strasburg battery we all drool for!

Posted by: SCNatsFan | August 26, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Livan is NOT the answer to the Nats pitching woes.. Gotta remember that the Mets released him last week for sustained poor performance -- including a stretch where he gave up 18 runs in his last three starts. His so called fast ball tops out in the mid 80s, while his curve and slider generally register in the mid-70s. He might have been able to get away with some of it in the old and cavernous RFK stadium -- but not here in the new ball park -- or now much later in his career. I see only sadness ahead for him and the team.

Posted by: Vic1 | August 26, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone thinks Livo will be the answer to the Nats pitching woes. What he is going to be is someone that can pitch some effective innings (sure he'll get punded from time to time, but hey, so have all the other Nats pitchers) and it will allow Balester to regroup (yet again) down in Syracuse. I still believe that Bally can be an effective pitcher in the majors, but each time he goes out there and gets blasted, it's making it harder for me to believe.

Posted by: erocks33 | August 26, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Classic Brue-haha material...

One other thing to consider re: saving the youngsters arms over the next month -- they may have more trade value this off-season without blowing out their ERAs, confidence, etc. Makes them more palatable to other teams and their fans.

The last couple nights have shown more of 4-5 good starter innings and then... blow up. Ballester's good start gets lost in the wash after a miserable 6th.

Posted by: mo_dc | August 26, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I think Rizzo sums it up pretty well here:

Explaining the move, general manager Mike Rizzo said, "We looked at where we were at with our young starting pitching and we got to the facts that we're running out of innings with some of these young guys and I refuse to push them past their limits. And Livan was available. We discussed him with our player personnel people and he's a good guy in the clubhouse, he's got some friends here on the ballclub, and he's nothing else but a workhorse and a reliable arm to get us some innings and get us through the rest of the season."

Posted by: FloresFan | August 26, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Livan is NOT the answer to the Nats pitching woes..


Of course he isn't. Thats not the reason why he was signed. He's only signed thru this year and he'll be a FA in the offseason. Its a smart move by Rizzo. Our young arms are reaching their innings limit and some of them need to be shut down. Livo will come in and be serviceable for the Nats. And thats all they need right now.

Posted by: FloresFan | August 26, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Also noted over the weekend: Chad Cordero is up and throwing again in some rookie summer A-ball league in Washington State -- recovering from shoulder surgery and approaching the first rung of a long ladder to climb back into MLB. In as much as I'd like to wish him well -- perhaps the Nats should sign him up now to eat up some more innings -- and save our other "precious pups" in the bullpen and farm system. If -- as it now appears -- the only requirement is to be able to throw a baseball 60 feet and 6 inches -- Chad's the perfect compliment and closer for Livan!

Posted by: Vic1 | August 26, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

As for shutting down the young arms ... well, looking over their IP so far this year, the only ones I would consider shutting down would be JD Martin (he's at 122 IP so far this year, after only pitching 42 last year coming back from TJ surgery) and possibly Shairon Martis (already pitcher more this year than last).

Stammen, Mock and Lannan I think can pitch out the rest of the year without damaging their arms (each would pitch about 30-40 innings more than last year. About what one would like to see in a pitcher). Plus, they could bring Estrada up and go to a 6-man rotation, which would ease some wear on Stammen, Mock and Lannan.

BTW, I have to give Mock some credit. When he came back up from SYR, he was terrible. But his last few starts have been good to pretty darn good. His confidence seems to be back and if he can just avoid that one big inning, he could settle in as a decent #3-4 starter.

Posted by: erocks33 | August 26, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

REPOST:

"Livan is NOT the answer to the Nats pitching woes.. Gotta remember that the Mets released him last week for sustained poor performance ..."

No Livan is not the answer to the Nats pitching woes. Developing the plethora of young pitching they currently have ***IS***. Looking at Syracuse's roster and comparing it to what it was at the beginning of the season ... its now chock full of "prospects"/Nats draft picks who now seem finally ready to taste Major League hitting. And that is especially true of the bullpen!

Patience is the order of the day. Rizzo is still doing all the right things. The more young pitchers he acquires, the better their chances of fielding an all-star rotation. Statistically, they will hopefully do better than 1 out of 20-25. They really just need 3 starters and 2-3 relievers. They already have **TWO-THREE*** bonafide closers for next year. Things really are better than they seem.

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Look, nobody -- NOBODY -- said Livo was the answer to the Nat's rotation gaps. We just like the guy. He'll pitch a lot of innings, and give up runs in the majority of them, probably, but so will anyone else they throw out there at this point, now that they are starting to shut guys down, and replace them with ... what? maybe they'll get lucky and find a maybe in all that, but they guys we've been seeing are the best they've got, and they're running out of gas, or getting hurt.
Which is why you shut them down. They won't learn how to pitch out of trouble from the DL.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 26, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Finally, looks like my man JD made the grade at least this week ... AND

Again, if as Rizzo infers, Livan Hernandez aids in the development of the plethora of young pitching Rizzo has on the 40 man and down on the farms. He is well worth keeping around.

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

If you want some more nostalgia, check this page out:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/WSN/2005-schedule-scores.shtml

Scroll down to May 29 and look at the win-loss column for the next 30 or so rows. I promise you'll smile, at least a little...

Posted by: cheeseburger53 | August 26, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Nova, this is the type of analysis on Desmond that I was looking for, but not finding:

"He makes spectacular plays, having bought into his own hype out of Sarasota High, but he doesn’t make the ones that are expected from an MLB SS."

Assuming it's true, that's disappointing. I want to see competent fielding and will take Morgans over Milledges every day of the week, even if it means giving something up offensively (which we have not done in CF, at least so far, quite the opposite).

On the other hand, this sounds like a correctable problem for Desmond. That is, unless he's a bonehead like Milledge. Is that what you meant by "buying into his own hype?" Is he a decent guy, or not?

I'm just not excited about AG and his sub-.300 OBP.

Posted by: BobLHead | August 26, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

a workhorse labors all day to get the job done, eats up innings, win or lose. (livan in his prime)

a warhorse chews through lineups and has opposition stars "resting that day" to bypass the inevitable week long slump and loss of confidence. (strasburg in his prime)

Posted by: longterm | August 26, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

April 14,2005 about 2:30pm i''m sitting in my office in Bethesda,Md lamenting the fact that i won't be attending the opening game at RFK that is the return of MLB to DC when in walks the GM of our company we make eye contact and he say's "so what's up" i give him a report on the day's business and i tell him i'll be working late so i'll have the report ready for tommorow's weekly meeting and he smiles and say's "no you won't" and i look at him and say "you know something i don't" and he say's "yeah as a matter of fact i do" and he goes into his suitcoat and pulls out two tickets for the opening day game and then promptly tells me to "get the hell out of the office and go to the game" best boss i've ever worked with hands down, and oh yeah Livan was as most of you know the opening day pitcher, welcome back Livo!!!.

Posted by: dargregmag | August 26, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Attaboy, Chief!

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Scroll down to May 29 and look at the win-loss column for the next 30 or so rows. I promise you'll smile, at least a little...

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 26, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

"Again, if as Rizzo infers, Livan Hernandez aids in the development... "

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Rizzo may imply that, we would infer it.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 26, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

RE: the discussion we had on Dukes last night:

Courtesy of the Bog Man:

Cookie Monster, Wily Mo Pena, and J.D. Drew

* Daniel Cabrera,
* Elijah Dukes,
* J.D. Drew,
* Mike MacDougal,
* Nationals,
* Red Sox,
* Sesame Street,
* Wily Mo Pena

Tue Aug 25,2009 By Aaron Gleeman

One of these things is not like the others
One of these things just doesn't belong
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?

- Sesame Street, "One of These Things"

A recent Sports Illustrated poll asked 380 major leaguers to name the player who "gets the least out of the most talent" and the results are pretty interesting:

1. Wily Mo Pena
2. Daniel Cabrera
3. Elijah Dukes
4. J.D. Drew
5. Mike MacDougal

Perhaps not surprisingly four of those five guys last played for the Nationals, with Dukes and MacDougal still on the team, and the only non-Nationals player on the list looks like the answer to one of those "which of these things is least like the other four?" test questions.

Pena is a career .257/.303/.443 hitter and at 26 years old is a free agent after being let go by three teams in two seasons. Cabrera owns a 46-64 record and 5.09 ERA in 881 innings and is currently pitching at Triple-A after being cut by the Nationals. Dukes is a former top prospect with off-field issues who's hit .234/.337/.423 through 208 games in the majors. MacDougal is currently the Nationals' closer and is in one of his "effectively wild" stages after being a mess in four seasons with the White Sox.

And then there's Drew, who somehow gets lumped in with that foursome despite being an All-Star last year, finishing sixth in the MVP balloting in 2004, posting the 25th-best OPS among active hitters, and playing 1,316 games over 12 seasons in the majors. Drew has missed lots of time with injuries, rubs some people the wrong way with his laid-back demeanor and patient approach to hitting, and hasn't become the superstar that many people expected when he was a top-five pick in back-to-back drafts.

However, at the end of the day he's a .282 career hitter with a .391 on-base percentage and .500 slugging percentage who figures to end up with around 1,800 hits, 275 homers, and $100 million in earnings. To call Drew a disappointment is one thing, but equating him to complete busts like Pena and Cabrera while suggesting that a 12-year veteran with a .900 OPS "gets the least out of the most talent" is all kinds of silly. Drew has more career value than Pena, Cabrera, Dukes, and MacDougal combined, and it isn't particularly close.

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

That's my kind of boss, dargregmag!

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 26, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Oops, cheeseburger said the W-L column, not the saves column.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 26, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"Chad's the perfect compliment and closer for Livan!" Vic1
++++++++++++++++++++++++
Oh my! I would love to see the look on my wife's face if this were to happen. She absolutely hated the Chief during his last full season with the Nat's, especially that night I seem to remember in Colorado towards the end of the season when he gave up like five runs in the 9th. I think that was in '07. Even when he GOT the save it was a nail-biter. This would ensure we get Bryce Harper.

Posted by: twinbrook | August 26, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

On Livo: I'm sure Rizzo is thinking: the Nats don't really need no stinkin' workhorse. They need a ***War-Horse*** to lead the WAR WAGON into September. And I do hope that's the way Riggleman is going to see it. Its time to go to war against the NL EAST especially.

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"'Chad's the perfect compliment and closer for Livan!' Vic1"

He'll have to live with McDougal and his "effective wildness" whilst awaiting Drew Storen. If Chad ever came back he would not be the "closer".

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

twinbrook, I suspect that your wife and NatsNut would get along like gangbusters. :-D

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 26, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I still miss "Hail to the Chief" on the radio in the ninth inning.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 26, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't mind having the Chief back in a Nats uniform again. With Bowden gone, maybe Rizzo could smooth over any remaining ruffled feathers...

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"Also noted over the weekend: Chad Cordero is up and throwing again in some rookie summer A-ball league in Washington State -- recovering from shoulder surgery and approaching the first rung of a long ladder to climb back into MLB."

Posted by: Juan-John | August 26, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"If ivy-gazing had anything to do with their performance last night, I have no problem with the tourism.

Posted by: JohninMpls | August 26, 2009"

What he said.

If the "awe" of a Wrigley, a Fenway or a "House that Ruth Built" inspires performances like Willingham and Dukes ... then they should turn parts of the new stadium into a museum of American Baseball History ... and grow ivy everywhere.

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

"Drew has more career value than Pena, Cabrera, Dukes, and MacDougal combined, and it isn't particularly close."

Which makes one wonder, how big an asshat must he be, for his own peers to put him with those guys? That's like Davey Johnson getting fired from four teams after finishing no worse than second with any of them.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 26, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Allow for some nostalgia that only baseball in DC can bring -

Yep, I was there on that wondrous April night against the D-backs, when 3B Vinnie Castilla was intentionally walked with a HR, Double and single under his belt. I was there as the old Senators handed their gloves to the the 'new guys' (that still sends shivers down my spine).

What a great, great night that was. And Livo stood in the center of it all and threw a strike to 'ease our pain' of 33 years. Answers, conjectures, roster moves, etc. notwithstanding - this is a moment to reflect how far we've come since 4/15/05. How completely cool.

Can a warn return for Frank Robinson be far behind?

Posted by: dand187 | August 26, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Actually, that's not fair to MacDougal, either. No idea who *he* ticked off.
Besides Ozzie.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 26, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

dand, let me be among the first to say Vinnie wasn't IBB'd, he got HBP.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 26, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Like I said, grrrr....Lance Cormier...

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 26, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I give you: 1a
**********************
Thanks for the memories, Chico. (grrrr...Lance Cormier)
Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 26, 2009 12:16 PM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 26, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

honestly, I think I might have to change my handle to 1d.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 26, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I still miss "Hail to the Chief" on the radio in the ninth inning.
Posted by: Sec3mysofa

Me too!

Posted by: twinbrook | August 26, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

For the AG haters out there, a look back to this blog on August 2, 2008:

"General Manager Jim Bowden has compared Bonifacio and Gonzalez to two former Pittsburgh players who could scarcely hit but played such fantastic defense that they could still help a team. The comparison? To 2B Jose ("Chico") Lind, a lifetime .254 hitter with nine career home runs, and to shortstop Rafael Belliard, a lifetime .221 hitter who probably would have lost a Home Run Derby even to Lind. (Lifetime: 2,301 ABs, two HRs.)

When Bowden talks about Belliard and Lind on the Pittsburgh teams of the late-80s and early-90s, he makes this point. Those two, in spite of their offense, made the entire pitching staff better. For that reason, Lind and Belliard provided value.

He expects that Gonzalez and Bonifacio will do the same."


Well, both of them lived up to the hitting part of these expectations.... For the record (after looking through the posts around this one) Bowden credited Rizzo first and foremost with the acquisitions of Gonzalez and Bonifacio. We also flipped Bonifacio for Willingham, so that didn't turn out too bad IMO. Maybe AG will find that spectacular glove we traded for in the off season? Here's hoping!

Posted by: cheeseburger53 | August 26, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

...and I think he needed only the single

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 26, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

LOL here, sec3!

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honestly, I think I might have to change my handle to 1d.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 26, 2009 2:01 PM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 26, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"I wouldn't mind having the Chief back in a Nats uniform again. With Bowden gone, maybe Rizzo could smooth over any remaining ruffled feathers..."

No can do. He belongs to the Mariners now. Not worth trading prospects for, and too late to trade Milledge or Hanrahan for.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | August 26, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey, here's another question we will have to resolve here: is Livan now (again) The Last Expo?

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 26, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

That said, I did enjoy the memories, dand.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 26, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Good point on the Expos connection, sec3.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 26, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

"It's too bad he's taking major league innings away from the pimply punks that need them at this point. They can shut the rookies down, but it's not going to help them figure out what they've got. Some of them can look good for 4-5 innings and then fall completely apart. Until they get through 6 or 7 innings more than once, the team won't know where they stand with them."

Jeez, Brue - are you the reincarnation of Billy Martin?

Posted by: MikeH0714 | August 26, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Well, there is still that little detail of having to get people out.

"Now he belongs to the Mariners..." Didn't they say that about Lincoln?

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"I wouldn't mind having the Chief back in a Nats uniform again. With Bowden gone, maybe Rizzo could smooth over any remaining ruffled feathers..."

No can do. He belongs to the Mariners now. Not worth trading prospects for, and too late to trade Milledge or Hanrahan for.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | August 26, 2009 2:03 PM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 26, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I was wondering what that was about. I figured they were calling out some blogger
or other. They were clearly responding to something specific, I thought.

**************
Mark Zuckerman said Acta and Riggleman were not that much different.
Gag!
Ray Knight jumped all over that incorrect opinion. Dibble did the same. If Rick Dempsey were in Our Town, he would have allied himself with those two in a flash.
Posted by: nova_g_man | August 26, 2009 12:05 PM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 26, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe AG will find that spectacular glove we traded for in the off season? Here's hoping!"

Seth Bynum supposedly has a spectacular glove. He started in the Nats system. He was an IL All-Star. Maybe they will give him a September call-up along with Ian Desmond. He isn't getting any younger ... maybe he can fill that need?

Clearly the Nats look at Danny Espinosa as their potential shortstop of the future. The rest probably must learn to play second base and back-up utility roles.

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"Well, there is still that little detail of having to get people out.

"Now he belongs to the Mariners..." Didn't they say that about Lincoln?"

Labrum (shoulder) surgery. Worst than the Tommy John's that everyone here is so hepped up about. The source for the above statement: Rizzo.

I doubt you will see Chad Cordero short of a miracle.

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, once the labrum injury came out, I didn't expect to see the Chief in a major league game again.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 26, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

seth bynum is 28-years-old - 29 on dec. 19 - and has a career triple-a vitae of .262 BA/.305 OBP/

Posted by: surly_w | August 26, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"seth bynum is 28-years-old - 29 on dec. 19 - and has a career triple-a vitae of .262 BA/.305 OBP/"

He's also considered a flawless fielder at second base, will probably hit over 20 homers and was selected as the starting 2nd basemen for the all-star game.

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

seth bynum is 28-years-old - 29 on dec. 19 - and has a career triple-a vitae of .262 BA/.305 OBP/.457 SLG. he has 55 HR in 2067 minor league at bats. he has "savior" written all over him.

Posted by: surly_w | August 26, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

But right now Belliard appears to be red-hot. Thanks to our reverse osmosis whammy of him.

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Nats could bring Dick Bosman back to eat some innigs. Just being whimsical, not critical.

In fact, I like the Hernandez signing if only for the recollections of April 14, 2005 that it has prompted. It was my first time inside RFK since September 30, 1971. Some games I want to go to. That one I had to.

Posted by: KenNat | August 26, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"seth bynum is 28-years-old - 29 on dec. 19 - and has a career triple-a vitae of .262 BA/.305 OBP/.457 SLG. he has 55 HR in 2067 minor league at bats. he has "savior" written all over him."

Belliard, that evil troglodyte of a gargoyle, is ***the savior*** never forget that lest you be zapped with an avifors curse!

... along with your guy Dukes who ranks in the top 5 of guys who gets the least out of the most talent. :)

Bynum probably also deserves a chance ... and his fielding might help? I assume he is a better fielder at second base than Morse?

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Quoting Brian Oliver (NFA):

"If the Nats were to add another player, I would imagine it being another bat, perhaps someone who can fill in at multiple positions. Considerations there are guys like Pete Orr, Seth Bynum, Leonard Davis, and Joel Guzman. At this point, I’m not sure any of them get the call (though Bynum has the same feel good story of undrafted to majors as Wilkie)."

Brian appears to be five-by-five with Rizzo as Leonard Davis was promoted after he posted this. And his prediction about who was going to represent the team in the AZ Fall league was spot-on. We may yet see Aaron Thompson get added.

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Dibble's rant about Acta/Riggleman was definitely in response to Zuckerman's lazy comment on Nats Extra Pregrame. And he was right, for once. But his rant about the young players acting like tourists at Wrigley was in response to an answer Garret Mock gave to Debbi Taylor's question about "what's it like to be at historic Wrigley field?" It was a huge overreaction to a wholly unobjectionable puff piece statement by a player who was trying to be accommodating.

Posted by: Section222 | August 26, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I hate to rain on the Livo parade, but sentiment only goes so far. The Mets' starting pitching is a mess, but the team still released Hernandez. He was getting pounded. Maybe he'll be able to rekindle the '05 spark once or twice, but I wouldn't count on it. None of the Nats starters being Spanish speakers, picking his brain might take some translation.

Posted by: nats24 | August 26, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see Debbi Taylor ask Dibble "What's it like to have to roll down your sleeves every time you appear on camera so viewers won't find out you have tats?" Last night he didn't even bother to button the cuffs...

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | August 26, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

God, so do I.

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I still miss "Hail to the Chief" on the radio in the ninth inning.

Posted by: JohninMpls | August 26, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

After the Livo signing ... wonder if the make up of the September call-up will change?

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

OK, I think I have this straight now, evidently our 23-year old former third-round pick ranked as our best middle infield prospect hitting .306/.372/.494 in Syracuse is actually not a good prospect, whereas our 29-year old former 38th round pick hitting .262/.305/.457 in the same league is a savior. Got it.

Posted by: BobLHead | August 26, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Nice interview with Lerner. Strange he hadn't traveled in '07 or '08 to Wrigley.

Debbi Taylor does a good job for what she does. Very positive attitude and perky.

No problem with Mark Lerner and funny Nova_G can read his mind as far as how he feels today about Jim Bowden. Personally I would think they are all slightly embarassed and happy he is gone but I can't read their minds. Mark doesn't seem the type to trash people so we will probably never know.

The ship does seem to be going in the right direction.

The underachievers list is a valid list. All guys with great physical abilities that under achieve. Ah, JD Drew, the pride of the Phillies LOL

Posted by: GoingGoingGone | August 26, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"The underachievers list is a valid list. All guys with great physical abilities that under achieve."

Given the way he's playing this year, one has to wonder how Felipe Lopez managed to stay off this list.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | August 26, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Peroculum,

Seth Bynum's fielding is the reason he is still in the minors. Only a fair arm, no range, and makes a lot of errors. He is a Mike Morse without the speed or quite as good a bat. You should check around before you make your all knowing pronouncements.

Posted by: WashOut | August 26, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

As much as I like Nats Park, I miss RFK. I know it was a horrible place for the players, but that old dump has just enough panache to make it memorable.

Posted by: kingrob76 | August 26, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Livan went 24-18 in '05 and '06 with the Nats before he was traded for Matt Chico and Garret Mock. Barry thought it was a smart trade. I asked him in this space at the time how long he thought it would take Messrs. Chico and Mock to accumulate 24 wins combined for the Nats. He didn't reply. So far, they're a combined 11-23, while Livan has gone 35-35 since he left. I don't know why it always seems to be "wise" for teams going nowhere to trade veterans for young "talent" with "potential." Okay, the jury may still be out on Mock. But, I ask again, how long will it take for him to win the 35 games Livan has already won since the trade?

Posted by: fluffy4 | August 26, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

hate to rain on the Livo parade, but sentiment only goes so far. The Mets' starting pitching is a mess, but the team still released Hernandez. He was getting pounded. Maybe he'll be able to rekindle the '05 spark once or twice, but I wouldn't count on it. None of the Nats starters being Spanish speakers, picking his brain might take some translation.

Posted by: nats24 | August 26, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse
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I don't think Rizzo is counting on anything other than using that rubber arm of Livo's to save on the wear and tear of the young kids. If he gets lit up in the process, so be it. A sacrificial lamb so to speak.

Posted by: TimDz | August 26, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Chiefs infielder Seth Bynum blossoms into an All-Star in his sixth minor league season
by Mike Waters / The Post-Standard Monday
July 13, 2009

Seth Bynum is not Crash Davis.

Crash, the home run-hitting hero of the movie "Bull Durham," was an aging minor league catcher still savoring his brief taste of the big leagues and coming to grips with the fast-approaching end to his career.

Bynum, the Syracuse Chiefs' second baseman, may be 28 years old and experiencing life above the Double-A level for the first time in his career this season, but his career arc is rising, not Crash-ing.

Bynum leads all International League second basemen in home runs with 13. He's hitting .269. His 49 RBIs also leads IL second basemen and ranks fifth overall.

He will make his first All-Star appearance as a professional player after being selected as the starting second baseman for the International League in Wednesday's game in Portland, Ore.

"It's definitely an honor," Bynum said recently. "I've had a pretty good season so far this year. It's an honor to be recognized by other coaches in the league."

Not so long ago nobody recognized Bynum.

The Louisville, Ky., native drew no scholarship offers coming out of high school. He attended Lincoln Trail Junior College in Robinson, Ill. He hoped for a scholarship offer from the University of Louisville.

"I wanted to go to Louisville," Bynum said. "They asked me to walk on. Indiana gave me a scholarship. I went where the money was."

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Bynum spent three years at Indiana, but he played just two seasons. He sat out one year due to academics, a year that forced him to refocus on his goals.

The Montreal Expos selected him in the 37th round of the Major League Baseball Draft in 2003. It was an unexpected move. Bynum had hit a middling .270 as a junior. He held off on signing with the Expos.

"I went back to Indiana for my senior year and had an amazing year," Bynum said. "I found my bat and found my stroke."

He could have gone back into the 2004 draft pool, but instead, Bynum signed with the Expos before the draft despite the fact that he might have been drafted higher.

"It was in the back of my mind, though, that I might not get picked up again," he said, revealing the mentality of the baseball grinder. "I knew I'd have a chance with the Expos."

He signed for $5,000 and headed to A-ball, splitting the remainder of the 2004 season between Savannah of the South Atlantic League and Brevard City in the Florida State League.

Bynum's climb up the minor league ladder has been less than steady. In 2005, he was twice put on the phantom DL, which is when an otherwise healthy player is assigned to the disabled list with a phony injury to make room for another player.

"Being a 37th-rounder, it was always in the back of my head that I could be sent home anytime," Bynum said. "I didn't play much. I started at Potomac and got sent down to Low A. It was a rough year."

Over the next three years, Bynum divided his time between Single-A Potomac and Double-A Harrisburg. He carried a .252 career batting average into this season.

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Bynum began the current season with Harrisburg where he had hit a career-high 15 home runs in 2008. Bynum got his first promotion to Triple-A in mid-April when the Washington Nationals called up shortstop Alex Cintron from Syracuse. Harrisburg manager John Stearns, the former New York Mets catcher, called Bynum with the news.

"It was surprising," Bynum said. "I came up here and struggled for the first week. I think I tried to do too much, but once I started fitting in with the guys, it came easier."

Washington designed Cintron for assignment on May 30, but the veteran refused to report to Syracuse. Bynum remained in Triple-A. He might have kept his roster spot even if Cintron had accepted his assignment.

Bynum's bat has solidified the Chiefs' batting order. In addition to his power numbers, Bynum's ability to make consistent contact makes him a perfect fit for Syracuse manager Tim Foli's hit-and-run, make-something-happen style.

He's also proven to be an adept fielder in just his second full season as a second baseman after playing shortstop for most of his career.

"I like playing second," he said. "First of all, it gives me more options as a player. I'm getting more and more comfortable there."

It's been six years of minor league ball for Bynum, but he's in Triple-A this year. Just a step away from The Show.

Still think Bynum sounds a bit like Crash Davis? In a scene in "Bull Durham," Crash Davis gets called into the manager's office where he learns of his release from the team.

Good news spreads differently. Bynum found out he had been named an All-Star from his mom, who saw the news online. "She texted me and said, 'Congratulations,'" Bynum said. "I said 'On what?' Then right after that, Coach Foli called me."

When asked how making this year's Triple-A All-Star Game fits into his career path, Bynum smiled. "It's been a grind," he said. "But it's been for the best. I've had to work for everything I got."

OK, so maybe he's got a little Crash in him.

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Seth Bynum religiously watches "Golden Girls" reruns. He eats dinner at 4 p.m. sharp every day, then sits on his porch and yells when neighborhood kids approach his lawn. He knits and listens to Duke Ellington records. Seth Bynum is old. That's at least according to the supposedly smart folks who make
THE GOLDEN GIRLS a living judging minor league baseball players, determining who's a "prospect" and who's "organizational filler."

At 27 years old, Bynum is the oldest position player on the Harrisburg Senators, Class AA Eastern League affiliate of the Washington Nationals. That's strike one. Strike two is he was a 38th-round selection of the Montreal Expos in the 2003 draft, a draft-and-follow infielder who didn't sign until May 2004 after his senior season at Indiana University. By the time he started his professional career, Bynum was already 23 years old. By comparison, teammate Jordan Zimmermann, considered one of the best pitching prospects in the Nationals' organization, just turned 22 in May.

Strike three for Bynum would be believing all this nonsense about age and status. Fortunately for the Senators, he doesn't buy it. Not one bit. "It doesn't bother me at all," said Bynum, enjoying the best stretch of his career in his third stint with the Senators, batting .294 with 10 home runs and 35 RBIs (through Friday) since joining the team in early June. "I'm fine as long as I've still got a jersey on my back."

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

As much as I like Nats Park, I miss RFK. I know it was a horrible place for the players, but that old dump has just enough panache to make it memorable.

Posted by: kingrob76 |
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Okay, now this nostalgia s**t has gone too far!

Posted by: twinbrook | August 26, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"As much as I like Nats Park, I miss RFK. I know it was a horrible place for the players, but that old dump has just enough panache to make it memorable."

RFK is Redskins hallowed ground ... not the Nats. You'd have to resurrect Griffith field ...

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Man, Syracuse is really, really happy to have a winning team after all these years. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Seth Bynum get a September call-up so he could tell his grandkids about it someday. And it would be great if he somehow suddenly managed to become an average MLB second baseman at age 29. Unfortunately, that just doesn't happen.

Posted by: BobLHead | August 26, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

WashOut, you may be looking at Bynum using *** really old and deprecated scounting analyses *** from when he played shortstop.

He is a second baseman now. Most scouting reports indicate that he is doing fairly well at that position. If he wasn't I doubt that Foli would play him there? As YOU YOURSELF noted ... even though Mike Morse was listed as a second baseman Foli hardly ever put him there?

I base my "scouting analysis" on Foli's choice to put him in the lineup as often as he has and on his selection to the all-star game.

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm only in favor of somebody who ''eats innnigs'' if he can keep the Nats in the game. The Nats have been thorughly beaten enough this season to just write off every fifth start with an ineffective Livo.

I don't fully buy in to the idea that the young starers need to be pampered, either, but for the sake of argument, Mock could make all his starts through season's end and probably not hit 150 inn. (Majors and minors combined). Lannan is not likely to be shut down. Stammen is at 141 combined, but he threw more 150 innings last year. Martin's at 122 now, so he should have something left in the tank.

Then there's Martis, Ballester, Detwiler and Estrada -- all of whom I'd rather see out there than Livo getting pounded. They're the future. He's the past.

Posted by: nats24 | August 26, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

===A nexis search for those two terms -- "Livan Hernandez" + workhorse -- actually returns 552 news documents, including 13 in the Post.======

A google search on the web for "Livan Hernandez" + buffet = 3,400 entries.

Posted by: VladiHondo | August 26, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

It was a dump, but it was OUR dump.

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As much as I like Nats Park, I miss RFK. I know it was a horrible place for the players, but that old dump has just enough panache to make it memorable.

Posted by: JohninMpls | August 26, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

"I don't think Rizzo is counting on anything other than using that rubber arm of Livo's to save on the wear and tear of the young kids. If he gets lit up in the process, so be it. A sacrificial lamb so to speak.

Posted by: TimDz | August 26, 2009"

The way Riggo has been yanking them out? I really doubt that. You may be confusing Rizzo/Riggleman with Bowden/Acta. I sincerely believe they are playing to win. They have to. If they don't they won't be able to attract free agents in the off season. As we have seen good/grea players won't come to this team unless they are serious about winning.

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

"Unfortunately, that just doesn't happen.

Posted by: BobLHead | August 26, 2009"

And he knows it. But he chooses to ignore it. Apparently he has impressed Tim Foli.

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

He was on better teams.

The 2007 Diamondbacks won 90 games. Last year, the Twins won 88.

Or, to put it another way, Livo won 35 games for teams that never had Paul Lo Duca playing left field.

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Okay, the jury may still be out on Mock. But, I ask again, how long will it take for him to win the 35 games Livan has already won since the trade?

Posted by: JohninMpls | August 26, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I loved RFK. Went to the first game at DC Stadium and the First at RFK. Also, the last at RFK. Also was a regular denizen at Griffith.

Best thing about Griffith was getting there on a streetcar. Best thing about RFK was the fried shrimp dinner at A&R Seafood, on the first base side.

Sorry, better views at Nats Park.

BTW, Chico...bring me back a char broiled Polish, with everything, and don't forget the sport peppers.

Posted by: Catcher50 | August 26, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

"Okay, the jury may still be out on Mock. But, I ask again, how long will it take for him to win the 35 games Livan has already won since the trade?

Posted by: JohninMpls | August 26, 2009"

Given Livan's 88-89 mph "soft toss" the guys he may help the most will be JD Martin, Burnett, Clint Everts, and Brad Meyers. The others will benefit as well. Hopefully, Rizzo and Riggleman made it clear to Livan that he needed to be a mentor/pitching coach/starting pitcher in this reincarnation.

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

"Best thing about Griffith was getting there on a streetcar."

DC transit even had air conditioned street cars ... that cool circle it did at Dupont Circle ... wish I could have ridden one ... damned Eisenhower. A lot cheaper than metro and probably more reliable ... with many more stops.

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I have very happy Nats memories but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAt6FSBxU8Q

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It was a dump, but it was OUR dump.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 26, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Problem with the streetcars was that they had these elevated stops, sort of in the middle of the street, for waiting, enter & exit. Can you imagine the number of drivers who would run up on those things, while talking on their cell phones?

Posted by: Catcher50 | August 26, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Wanting to get my two cents in:

Welcome Back Livo!!!

I can't help myself, I just like him.

I know he's not Tim Lincecum, Roy Haladay, or even Pedro Martinez ... but he does have a few tricks and a lot of heart. Frankly at this point I would rather see him give up 5 runs in 4 innings than watch Balester do it. And besides, Livo may not be able to pitch as well as he used to but I bet he can still hit.

Posted by: natbiscuits | August 26, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I remember those good times in 2005. I'm glad Livo's back. He liked DC and we liked him.

Posted by: gengreen17 | August 26, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"Problem with the streetcars was that they had these elevated stops, sort of in the middle of the street, for waiting, enter & exit. Can you imagine the number of drivers who would run up on those things, while talking on their cell phones?

Posted by: Catcher50 | August 26, 2009

If its in the city ... to damned bad. If you have great street cars and a system you shouldn't drive. Except to leave town ... :)

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

"As much as I like Nats Park, I miss RFK. I know it was a horrible place for the players, but that old dump has just enough panache to make it memorable.

Posted by: kingrob76"
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RFK was a sh!tty park to lose in. Especially losing consistantly. The only redeeming quality of RFK was when they were winning in '05, and lots of people came and lots of people got into the game and the place started to shake- that was something I'll miss. But until there's something to cause an earthquake about on the field, I'm not going to miss the place. If I'm going to sit through bad baseball 3 hours at a time, I prefer the luxuries and aesethetics of Nats Park any day of the week and twice on Sundays (gotta love the double headers!).

Posted by: cheeseburger53 | August 26, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

@Periculum...

Don't disagree. It's a city. I absolutely adore the streetcar system in New Orleans.

Posted by: Catcher50 | August 26, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Also, I really did not have time last night to go on a rant about Debbie the Dingbat, but she really is painful to listen to. I don't know if those interview questions are the ones she personally picks out or if her producer makes her say those stupid things, but the result is the same - horrible. Please stop with the "Tell us how it feels to ..." and "What was it like to ..." leading questions. The goal is not to elicit a prescripted quote from your subjects. The goal is to entertain, inform, and drive up ratings. She strikes out everytime. Between her interviews and the horible Geico Caveman themesong, I'm not sure which makes me hit the mute button faster. (Seriously, I almost tripped trying to get to the remote last night). Aaaghhhh!!!

Now back to our regular programming, Bob, Rob back to you.

Posted by: natbiscuits | August 26, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I'll miss some things about RFK, but Griffith Stadium was a classic. Wish I had more than childhood memories of the place. But now is now, and I like Nationals Park.

I wonder if at Griffith they had old guys spitting and insisting that Swampoodle Grounds -- now THAT was a ballpark.

Posted by: KenNat | August 26, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

@KenNat...

Probably!

Posted by: Catcher50 | August 26, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Natbiscuits: You got it right. Livo has "a few tricks and a lot of heart."
We've been debating here in the office about the wisdom or lack thereof of getting Livo.
My take: He's a good backup plan for the last few weeks, if young arms hit their pitch-count ceilings and new guys aren't ready to fill in.
More importantly, I have an irrational good feeling about the effect he will have on the team.

Posted by: jdsp2000 | August 26, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

The Nationals didn't have much choice.

Zimmermann is out for the year. Balester has been a disappointment and the decision has been made not to bring up Strasburg in September for a cameo.

The team needed someone to eat innings and Hernandez despite being 35 and throwing a 86 mph fastball can still do that.

Posted by: leopard09 | August 26, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Being how old, now?

ANYway, new post with 1/2 the lineups.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 26, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

The first game I watched from the box seats at RFK Livo was pitching. From down there, it was fascinating to watch how every pitch appeared to have a different break, and be at a different speed. He didn't even seem to get focused until there was a runner on second. Just a wonderfully entertaining guy to watch. Sure, he'll probably get shelled. But maybe not. And anyway, they're resting the young guys, gotta have somebody, he brings back good memories, and I think he could pitch every day for the rest of the season.

Posted by: markfromark | August 26, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Bynum's time is gone. His get up and go got up and went. 30!!!! Sheesh.

Peri or someone else. Please show me one game that Mike Morse ever played at second base, despite the Chiefs calling him a 2B. He never has played there, not once, and he never will.

He's a corner or OF guy. End of story, morning glory.

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Bynum probably also deserves a chance ... and his fielding might help? I assume he is a better fielder at second base than Morse?

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

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