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Lineups From Citi Field

Washington

Harris - 8
Desmond - 6
Zimmerman - 5
Dunn - 3
Willingham - 7
Dukes - 9
Gonzalez - 4
Burke - 2
Mock - 1

New York

Pagan - 7
Castillo - 4
Wright - 5
Beltran - 8
Murphy - 3
Francouer - 9
Thole - 2
Valdez - 6
Maine - 1

By Chico Harlan  |  September 20, 2009; 12:13 PM ET
 
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Yea NatsNut is right how can we KNOW Guzman through a hissy fit....all we have is multiple reports in multiple paper and quotes from Riggs and Rizzo about how unhappy he was with the idea of moving to second NEXT YEAR let alone this last month. Same amount of reporting on his move out of the second spot in the order......yea NatsNut is right we do not KNOW anything first about this so we should just shut up and watch the dysfunction as and love it as all true Nats fans do right?

Posted by: JayBeee | September 20, 2009 8:31 AM

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JayB, you're being a drama queen again.

First, I didn't tell anyone to shut up, nor did my tone suggest as much.

Second, reports said Guzzie was surprised about the discussion on moving him to 2nd. Surprise doesn't quite rate as a hissy fit.

Third, I'd like to see links to the many quotes and reports you're talking about that say Guzzie has anything remotely resembling a hissy fit.

Posted by: NatsNut | September 20, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Imagine this lineup in a few years:

Morgan
Desmond
Zimmerman
Dunn
Harper
Willingham
Guzman
Dukes
Strasbourg.

That's presuming, of course, Desmond and Harper and SS pan out. But it's fun to think about...

Posted by: jaumiusk | September 20, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

A New York Post columnist opines that the Nationals have a brighter future than the Mets.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/mets_future_bleaker_than_nationals_bPEtSi4sKCgGWw0TFBsEpK

Posted by: leetee1955 | September 20, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

jaumiusk: IF Harper gets drafted & signed, by the time he's ML-ready, Dunn, Willingham, Guzman & Dukes will be gone.

Posted by: BinM | September 20, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

@NatsNut
“Guzman, who has never played second base at the major league level, was apparently shocked and didn't give the Nats an answer”. Rizzo and Riggs both said after that meeting said they were the ones in control not Guzman…..what do you think that meeting ways like? Don’t forget the Hissy Fit he had when Morgan came to town and he was moved out of the top of the order. Be naive if you like but it is clear to me what is going one here.

Posted by: JayBeee | September 20, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

if the royals, or pirates, or padres, or a's, or orioles want to draft bryce harper and wait 4-5 years for him to help their major league team then god bless them. if i'm rizzo i pass on the boy wonder and take the top-rated closest to the majors ready player available and never look back.

Posted by: surly_w | September 20, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

surly: Got to agree with you on that one. Harper is what, 17? He is getting his 1st experience with wood bats this fall, and will likely take 3 more years minimum to get to the majors after signing in August (remember, he's repped by Bora$).

Let's see what the spring, and college season brings, before we annoint this kid as the next "best thing ever".

Posted by: BinM | September 20, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

From what I've read, Guzman speaks less Englsh than pretty much anyone else in the clubhouse. Rizzo and Riggleman do not appear to be bilingual by any means. FWIW, they both seem to struggle a bit at times expressing themselves in English, much less Spanish. I'm sure whatever meetings they had with Guzman were short and sweet, not hissy fits. Yes, Guzman was probably surprised to be told they are considering him to play second. (I doubt he reads the WaPo or blogs to keep up on all the scuttlebutt about the team.) Yes, Guzman seems to hit better higher in the order than he does batting 6th or 7th. Maybe he told Riggleman or Rizzo that. But there's no evidence at all that he has ever thrown a hissy fit or been in any way insubordinate.

Posted by: nunof1 | September 20, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

In any language the answer to the question is I will do whatever it takes to help my team win.

Posted by: JayBeee | September 20, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Eight innings, no runs scored - Bring on the bullpen arsonists, I suppose.

Posted by: BinM | September 20, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

oh gawd...kensing's in the game. put out the fire and call off the dogs.

Posted by: surly_w | September 20, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

If Segovia, Garate, or Kensing are part of the 2010 Nationals starting 25, God help us all as fans.

Posted by: BinM | September 20, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

more garrotted than garate.

Posted by: surly_w | September 20, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

97th RBI for RZimm. No shutout for you today, Mets.

Posted by: leetee1955 | September 20, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

No evidence at all that Guzman has not said exactly that, JayBee. In any case, he's walking the walk when asked to do things, not walking off the field like Soriano did.

Posted by: nunof1 | September 20, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

The reporting says he did not respond and that after the meeting Rizzo and Riggs both found it necessary to say they would do what they think is best and not wait for a Guzman OK....that does not sound like his response was what it should have been. That is, "you pay me $8 Million, I play hard and do my best no matter where I play."

Posted by: JayBeee | September 20, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Over / under on Guzman vs. K-Rod is what 3?

Posted by: BinM | September 20, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

The reporting says Guzman did not respond to who, Riggleman/Rizzo or the reporters? Find me one quote anytime over the last five years where Guzman has talked with a reporter. He doesn't do it, because he doesn't have much English. This does not mean he doesn't respond appropriately in discussions with management.

Posted by: nunof1 | September 20, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Imagine--someone on a blog relying (solely) on inference and speculation. What are the odds?

Here's why I draft Harper: They're going to be playing baseball in 2015, and the rules say they need a shortstop to do it. Might as well be a good one.

No, he won't be in the majors for maybe five years or more, but neither was Hanley Ramirez (ROY 2006, he was about 23). Boston got a good return from Florida in trade for him, and Florida got, well, Hanley F. Ramirez.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | September 20, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Great - two more empty hits & RBI for RZim & Dunn in a one-sided loss. At some point, this just gets old.

What will it take for this collection of players to be focused & ready to play baseball from the start of the game? A new manager, a new pitching staff, a complete roster purge, what?

Posted by: BinM | September 20, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

He does talk with the Spanish press, at least sometimes. Just don't use Babelfish to translate it.
"Recibí una oferta de Washington para continuar con el equipo, no la he descartado." comes out as "I received a supply of Washington for continuing with the equipment, I have not discarded it."

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | September 20, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Mock 115 pitches. Arm still intact. Imagine that. Still had some rising heat up in the zone even at the end. He's ready to take the next step. It's expected of him. Still needs to get more innings out of it like Raymond Disco Knight says. Big confidence boost.

Posted by: Brue | September 20, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Here's why I draft Harper: They're going to be playing baseball in 2015, and the rules say they need a shortstop to do it. Might as well be a good one.
Posted by: Sec3mysofa | September 20, 2009 4:38 PM
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And there is where you (and others) & I differ - Harper is a "stud" based only on Las Vegas-area High-school numbers & the Bora$ hype machine, to date. What happens if he craps-out at the Community College level, or gets hurt? He hasn't proven anything yet, and just looks like another Bora$-driven tool, IMHO.

I admit to being in the minority here, but Bryan Harper still has a lot to show before he becomes the #1 draft choice next year.

Posted by: BinM | September 20, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Check out Harper jacking the ball into the catwalks at Tropicana Field in a home run hitting contest. Looks like a golf ball coming off his aluminum bat. But there's no denying the fact that he can reach the catwalk 20 times.
Or more. Given the chance - get in there Harper.

Get in there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQQ5cZD8PgU

Posted by: Brue | September 20, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Ah well, another finish in the NL East cellar for the Nats.

Posted by: leetee1955 | September 20, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

My daughter used to throw hissy fits, and they did not consist of being quiet or leaving anyone in doubt as to her views. I'd say there is a huge gap between a hissy fit and failing to respond like one of the Hardy boys to the suggestion that you change to a less prestigious position.

Posted by: markfromark | September 20, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Check out Harper jacking the ball into the catwalks at Tropicana Field in a home run hitting contest. Looks like a golf ball coming off his aluminum bat.
Posted by: Brue | September 20, 2009 5:18 PM
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Brue - the key words in your statement is "aluminium bat". Let's see what he can do with a wood bat in his hands, against pitchers who might be able to saw him off inside for a season first, although I doubt he'll see many of those in NV.

Posted by: BinM | September 20, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

@mark

to paraphrase mae west,"prestige had nothing to do with it." guzman's range at short is diminished especially going to his right. i can't recount how many times this year i've heard either charlie or dave say they thought guzman could have or should have come up with a grounder to his right. if one of your main building blocks is young pitchers, you owe it to them for their development and confidence to support the staff with the best possible and mobile infield defense.

Posted by: surly_w | September 20, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

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