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Lineups From Petco

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Columbus Clippers.

Err. Just a getaway day lineup for the Nats.

(I'll post the Padres' when I get it.)

Washington

Harris - 7
Gonzalez - 6
Dunn - 3
Zimmerman - 5
Orr - 4
Nieves - 2
Maxwell - 8
Padilla - 9
Lannan - 1

By Chico Harlan  |  September 2, 2009; 1:18 PM ET
 
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Err, just a triple A lineup, with two big hitters in the middle. Pretty sad.

Posted by: Section222 | September 2, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Wow. So, just how confident do you think John Lannan is about picking up a W today, with that batting order?

Posted by: baltova1 | September 2, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

er, snarkdar reading is off the charts...

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | September 2, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Re-posting (not snark, sorry):

While we're on Dukes' case, don't forget that fly ball to home plate, the one that Martin--luckily and properly backing up, caught.

I think Dukes has a lot of talent and raw power, and I much prefer him to Thrilledge. He really can hustle, and his bat can get nice and HOT. It seems to me he needs a smart veteran (Nyjer?) to mentor him. Not a coach, not some "authority figure" but someone who could show him some baseball cunning and tricks to go along with all that power and energy.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | September 2, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Can this season just end? Please!

Posted by: Tom8 | September 2, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

All Lannan has to do is pitch a complete game shutout and hope the Padres walk a run in.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | September 2, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

It will end, and then there will be no escape from the potatoes. It will potatoes, potatoes until it's clear they are just as lousy as the Nats and that they cheat their fans (oh, right, we already know the second part).

Posted by: Nats_Lady | September 2, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

So this lineup begs the question... What position are we going to groom Harper for? We've already got Flores as the catcher of the future, and besides it would be a shame to beat that kid's body up so bad as to make him be a catcher his whole career. Could he be a big strong Ripkin-type short stop?

Posted by: twinbrook | September 2, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I'll repost too:

Dukes is not improving. His numbers were far better last year. There are lots of reasons of course, but the numbers don't support that he's better. Was last year the real deal, or has the league figured him out? I fear the latter.

Posted by: utec | September 2, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of lineups, Boone is in Houston's today at Wrigley. He'll be at 1st and is batting 7th. Go, Aaron!!

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | September 2, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Dibble said last night, "sometimes at this level you have to step up and pitch a shutout." I guess today is one of those times.

Posted by: Section222 | September 2, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

@twinbrook: It's been suggested here before that Bryce could learn a new position (second base, anyone???). He's five years from the majors, you have to figure, so if Flores has a great five years, it wouldn't be that bad to have Harper in the pipeline.

But I hope Rizzo et. al seriously look at drafting someone, if there is anyone, who might be nearer to being on the ML team. I know that's heresy, been told before YOU ALWAYS DRAFT THE BEST AVAILABLE PLAYER, and at least he's not a pitcher... but can we at least look around?

Posted by: Nats_Lady | September 2, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

BTW, my snark reference was to Chico.

Nah, no need to follow the taters until after the Fall Classic. After that, there are always the classic games on MLB Network.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | September 2, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Good, Chico. Even Zimmerman was (briefly) a Clipper last year.

Fine by me, Riggsy. I like switching Zim and Dunn. Why not?

Posted by: nattaboy | September 2, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Yes, that was EXCELLENT snark on Chico's part. I hope he doesn't get in trouble for it.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | September 2, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

1a: maybe they will tape the Arizona League games and post them? Gotta have some sustenance.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | September 2, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Good thinking, Nats_Lady. We'll be in good shape if Tracee can implement her plan to lock the guys in the cabinet, then heads for Arizona with a video camera.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | September 2, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

And these aren't even the September callups? Facepalm.

Posted by: poncedeleroy | September 2, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

They should swap Padilla and Harris.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Zimmerman's batting cleanup? And Dunn third? Wow.

Posted by: Juan-John | September 2, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Wow. I never imagined I would see the day where Orr is batting 5th and Nieves 6th. This seems more like a Spring Training type of lineup ...

Posted by: erocks33 | September 2, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Riggleman may agree with you utec. Dukes and Willingham (4 strike outs) are both out today.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I guess Dukes is really in the doghouse, he didn't even make the minor league team we're putting out there today.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | September 2, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Not sure where people are getting the "five years to the majors" stuff on Harper. He'll be 17 years, 8 months old on draft day. There is no rule that says you have to be almost 23 to play in the majors. Granted, many players don't reach the majors before they are 23, but the best ones do. Ken Griffey, Jr. was 19. A-Rod was 18.

Posted by: BobLHead | September 2, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Chico, no need to post the Padres' lineup... Just send the whole team ahead to their next destination (LA, if that city is still in existence by Friday). We'll just see if we can lose to the ushers.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | September 2, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

So how much do you think Boras is going to get out of the Lerners for Bryce Harper next year?

I'm thinking something in the $16.5 to $17.3 million range.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | September 2, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

So how much do you think Boras is going to get out of the Lerners for Bryce Harper next year?

I'm thinking something in the $16.5 to $17.3 million range.
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a cool million for each yeaer of his life.

Posted by: twinbrook | September 2, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

BobLHead: true. But we draft and sign him in 2010. You think we'll see him in 2011? Possible, but for a catcher there is more than just physical ability--unless McCatty or X is going to call every pitch. Be interesting to see at what age catchers make it to the majors.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | September 2, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Tom- I second that. I'm tired of losing and being pathetic. I hope it is better next year. This has been a pretty miserable season...

Posted by: rachel216 | September 2, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

...for a catcher there is more than just physical ability--unless McCatty or X is going to call every pitch. Be interesting to see at what age catchers make it to the majors.
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That's why I'm thinkning that if we really want him up here fast we should move him from behind the plate.

Posted by: twinbrook | September 2, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Someone on hear asked how easy it is for a pitcher to develop a new pitch, and for it to be effective.

What is the history on position players learning new positions? I don't mean as a stopgap or Guz going to 2B, but as a serious career move?

Posted by: Nats_Lady | September 2, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I wonder when the last time Orr was a number 5 hitter? Little League? High School?

Posted by: natbiscuits | September 2, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I think it happens all the time. Look at Robin Yount, winning the MVP at both SS and CF. Another number one draft pick was BJ Surhoff, who was a catcher/third baseman. He ended his career in left field I believe, if not first base.

Maybe some kids become catchers early on because they have the most maturity and physical ability on their Little League teams. Often they are catchers and pitchers.

Posted by: twinbrook | September 2, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I think Harper will get less than SS because he's so young, thus risky. But Ackerly got a pretty big payday, so I'd say a couple million more than that deal, with an extra year or so.

As for his position, it's way to soon to know. He's not even finished growing yet. If he stays at C, then I'd say four or five years minimum because of the position. Norris is still in low-A because of his defense, for example. And there's no guarentee Flores will continue his progress, so it's way to early to think he'll block Harper. If Harper's the next Mauer, then we can deal Flores for something of value. Ultimately though, Harper projects as a power-hitter, so he should have no problem with either of the corner infield and outfield positions if his future is not behind the plate.

Going back to his days in AZ, Rizzo seems to be one of the few GM's who can deal with Boras, so that's a plus.

Posted by: sec307 | September 2, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Beating a dead horse, I just went back and watched the pickoff of Dukes again on MLB-TV. Richard did not lift his leg or move toward home plate; he stepped directly toward first. Dukes was so far off the bag, he had to break for second.

If it looked in any way like a balk to Grissom or Riggleman, there would have been some argument, and Riggs would not have called out Dukes in the post-game comments.

Posted by: nats24 | September 2, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

As for position changes, Chipper Jones has bounced back and forth between LF and 3B. Miguel Cabrera went LF-3B-1B. I think Pujols came up as a 3B. Our own Willingham came up as a C. A lot of C's go to 1B, such as Johnny Bench. So I'd say switching positions is not really a big deal in the grand scheme of things. I think Harper will be treated like Marrero - he's play BAT, in the words of Bob Boone.

Posted by: sec307 | September 2, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

GCL Nationals beat GCL Marlins 3-1 in first game of best-of-three series for GCL crown.

Yeurys Tejeda with three RBI and Shane McCatty (Steve's son) picks up win in relief.

Posted by: Brian_ | September 2, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

He might have been a throwback but Craig Biggio had a career as an all-star catcher, then second baseman, then outfielder. Catchers with speed or who are on the smaller side seem to get converted a lot. Is this Harper kid a giant or something?

Posted by: poncedeleroy | September 2, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

GCL Nationals won thier first game of the championship series. Just a little light for all of the dark being shown here.

Sec 204 Row H Seat 7

Posted by: adhardwick | September 2, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"Is this Harper kid a giant or something?"

6'3" 205lbs

Bigger than Biggio (5'11" 185)

Posted by: Brian_ | September 2, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Way to go, G-Nats!!!!

All right, peeps. They seem to have planted this game right in the middle of my work day, so ya'll take care of it for me.

Go Nats!!

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GCL Nationals beat GCL Marlins 3-1 in first game of best-of-three series for GCL crown.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | September 2, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

SI lists Harper at 6'-3", 205. And of course, he's still growing.

Posted by: sec307 | September 2, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Atta team, GCL Nats!

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | September 2, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

AB has a flyout in his first, er, AB.

(Confidential to JiM: the men in blue don't have much of a clue at the Dome today, eh?)

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | September 2, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Today I predict a combined no-hitter in which Lannan is supported by four from our 'pen. I am not ready to let go of this season yet.

Posted by: poncedeleroy | September 2, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

If Rzz drafts Harper and he signs, I say put him at catcher to put some pressure on Flores. The kid looks really smooth on the YouTube vids behind the plate.

I'm not sold on Flores as a long term solution. I think he needs to play more before he becomes the anointed one. He's thrown out 38/123 attempts for 30%, his OBP is .315 lifetime.

And, Rzz as GM really hasn't had a chance to evaluate him yet.

Posted by: dand187 | September 2, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

If his bat is ready, Harper will play RF. He has a big time arm and that gets him to the majors the quickest.

Posted by: longterm | September 2, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

For the interested, Joe Mauer:
Signed, July 17, 2001 (Age 18)
ML Debut, April 5, 2004 (Age 20)

Of course, it didn't take Mauer all summer to sign a contract either.
Harper will have a lot of leverage next year because if he doesn't get the situation/money he (or Bora$$) is looking for, he can always stay at CSN and play another year, coming out again in 2011 with his high school class but having played two years of high level JuCo ball. Because of that, and the fact that position players tend to pan out better than pitchers when taken high in the draft, I don't see any number under $20 mill being enough to get him signed. In fact, when I heard about Strasburg's number, my first thought was "Good, now we can get Harper for $20m".
Also, he is listed as a C-IF on the CSN fall roster, so it should be interesting to see where they end up playing him.

Posted by: mjhoya12 | September 2, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I must have missed the memo, but when did Jon Rauch start pitching for the Twins?

Posted by: cokedispatch | September 2, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

The Gulf Coast Nats won the 1st game of the championship series against the GCL Marlins today. One more win and they are the champs.

+1/2St.

Posted by: kevincostello | September 2, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

To say that Harper could be an Al Kaline who was pretty much both an MLB starter and an all-star right out of high school is pretty far fetched. One can't assume he will be playing MLB at age 19. The team that drafts him (likely your Nats) will be happy if he is in advanced A at that point. They have Carribean players who are in GCL and going gang busters at that age ... they may win the championship. They are still in the rookie league after 2 years in the DSL.

You have to assume Harper will be 3-5 years to the majors from the end of next summer. That is 2013-2015.

I echo rachel216, I am tired of losing. I like Rizzo's strategy; drafting college players instead of high school types.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Nats_Lady: All Lannan has to do is pitch a complete game shutout and hope the Padres walk a run in.
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Or let's put it all on Lannan, and ask him to hit a homerun.

How often has that happened? Complete game shutout and pitcher HR for 1-0 victory?

Posted by: KenNat | September 2, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

So Mauer spent a little under three years in the minors, interesting. We will also have more bargaining power with Harper than we did with SS. By getting the Strasburg deal done, I think we could settle for the '11 1A pick if Harper decides to hold out. If you were a teenager from Vegas, would you rather move to DC or Kansas City, MO? Although you can't tell from our payroll, we're not a small market - which has to count for something.

Posted by: sec307 | September 2, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

It hasn't been that long since the Twins acquired Rauch, I think. I think I jinxed the game by watching on WGN. Wookie got in and out of trouble but after his inning... Hope that they can come back!

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | September 2, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

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