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Phillies 6, Nats 5

The Nats have won just two of 14 games against the Phillies this year. The latest loss came Wednesday, in a 6-5 oh-so-close, bases-loaded-in-the-eighth, runner-on-second-in-the-ninth sort of heartbreak. Say this much: Despite their disparities, the Phillies and Nationals play riveting baseball. The only predictable part of their games is the outcome.

In this game, the Nats came back from 4-1 down against a Cy Young winner, Cliff Lee. They had everything going right: Ryan Howard would-be bombs were drifting just foul, and Jorge Padilla bunts were riding the chalk line to stay fair. Alberto Gonzalez had three doubles in three at bats. (Not a misprint!) The Nationals, even down 6-4 after back-to-back Jayson Werth and Pedro Feliz bombs against Tyler Clippard, still had six outs to work with.

And Charlie Manuel wasn't about to use Brad Lidge.

But as it happened, Washington squandered strong chances in both the eighth and ninth.

In the eighth, the Nationals actually loaded the bases with no outs. That knocked Lee (seven-plus innings, 10 hits, four runs) from the game. Philadelphia brought on Chan Ho Park, and from there, things got weird. Jim Riggleman used three pinch-hitters in a row -- even swapping Pete Orr for the red-hot Gonzalez. After Willie Harris flew to shallow right, too short to tag, Orr swatted a sac fly to left, making it a 6-5 game. But Washington, with pinch-hitter Wil Nieves grounding out to first, got no closer.

In the ninth, this game was still packed with drama. Protecting a one-run lead, Philadelphia called on Ryan Madson, the reliever without a plus-7.00 ERA. Justin Maxwell led off the inning with a single to center, and then stole second, putting the tying run in scoring position with no outs. But after Cristian Guzman struck out, Adam Dunn lined to second baseman Chase Utley, who starting a game-ending 4-6 double play.

"I thought I hit it enough up the middle to where it had a chance [to drop in], and Super Chase came out of nowhere," Dunn said.

By Chico Harlan  |  September 9, 2009; 11:34 PM ET
 
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Nice baserunning, Maxy. What did not major in at Maryland, stupid baserunning?

Posted by: Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me | September 9, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

OK, nevermind these bums. It's getting colder here already anyway. Arizona.

I'm guessing Strasburg won't pitch more than every fifth day. And probably start the first game, just because. So I figure the Saturday game, Oct. 24, against Scottsdale, should be good. Sound about right?

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | September 10, 2009 12:45 AM | Report abuse

If he finds out any reporters will be covering him, SS might ask that his first start be held at 2 a.m. on a Sunday. On the floor of the Grand Canyon. With no lights.

Posted by: Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me | September 10, 2009 12:47 AM | Report abuse

He pinch hits Orr? Why the hell does he pinch hit Orr? When he has Morse on the bench? Orr was not with the team this entire year he was in AAA hittng .245? Orr is not a good player dude. If anything Seth Bynum hit better and Bynum was an all-star?

Riggleman: either contradictory, hypocritical ... I am really beginning to wonder?

Right Riggleman, you play to lose not to win belying everything you said. I

Posted by: periculum | September 10, 2009 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Riggleman's goal: 100 losses plus. Its coming up soon.

Posted by: periculum | September 10, 2009 12:56 AM | Report abuse

I think Strasburg will see as much of the minors as Storen. If BinM is right he will start in Potomac or Hagerstown and like Storen work his way to AAA first.

Posted by: periculum | September 10, 2009 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Acta had a thing for Kory Casto. Pete Orr, a very similar player, appears to have a similar effect on Riggleman. He probably asked Rizzo for him. Casto actually had a much better year than Orr yet he was left behind in the minors? Casto is a Nats draft pick and is younger.

The previous moves made sense ... and they began to win. Suddenly the moves they are making. The lineups Riggleman is making look an awful lot like the stupidity of starting Milledge in center ... and Cabrera veteran starting pitcher.

Posted by: periculum | September 10, 2009 1:21 AM | Report abuse

I thought I hit it enough up the middle to where it had a chance [to drop in], and Super Chase came out of nowhere," Dunn said.

Is this an indication that an acceptance of failure is creeping back into the team psyche?

Posted by: CBinDC | September 10, 2009 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Super ("World Fishing Champions") Chase? I think my head just exploded.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | September 10, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Just keep those card and letters going to Nyjer.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | September 10, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Riggleman trots out the same tired line-up every night under the guise of we are "playing to win". Oh really! If the same shlumps couldn't win in June whats gonna make the difference in September? I was at the game last night and for the life of me when I saw Pete "been around then block and then some" Orr pinch hitting in the 8th instead of Mike Morse it was just another sucker punch to the gut with this team.

As much as I will miss the daily grind of the games, I'm really looking forward to taking an emotional break from 2 long years of losing. I need a reason to renew my ST's, please StanK and Rizz give me a better reason then just SS.

Posted by: TippyCanoe | September 10, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Riggleman was totally playing the percentages. Gonzales hit those doubles off of the left handed Lee. Park is right handed. Riggs pinch hit for Bard to avoid a double play (since Bard can hardly limp down to first), using the lefty Harris. Then Orr who is left handed pinch hits for Gonzales. At that point he's down to only right handeed batters, so he uses Nieves who has to come into the game anyway to replace Bard. I'm not sure I agree with every move (might have been better to send up Morse rather than Nieves since there would probably be no need for a pinch hitter in the 9th), but I understand what he was doing.

Small consolation since you play... to win.. the game, but it was a good an entertaining game, and we had our chances.

Posted by: Section222 | September 10, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Section 222 for explaining how real managers think. And Sunshine_Bobby... getting doubled off in that situation was unavoidable. If you're the tying run on second base you get a lead so that you can score on a hit rather than standing on the bag, right? It was bad luck the liner was just off 2nd but anyone else would have been doubled up.

Let's say the hit went through; you would expect Maxwell to score right? Well he wouldn't if he was sitting tight on 2nd and waiting until the ball gets to the outfield to move.

Posted by: CoachD1 | September 10, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Agree. You can't have it both ways, namely complain that 3rd base coach Listach chokes off the agressive base running and then trash Maxwell for agressive base running. Down one run and looking for our 48th win of the season--I say, go for it.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | September 10, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Pinch Hitting Orr I understood. But Nieves? That made no sense to me.

Sec314

Posted by: arlingtontwb | September 10, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

From the gamer:

"It seems like there's a bunch more Philly fans than our fans," Justin Maxwell said.

No Justin they are just friends of Stan's but maybe if you would DO SOMETHING positive instead of strike out he would not have to invite his friends to Citizen Bank Park DC branch.

Posted by: CBinDC | September 10, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

This is so cool. You wanna know why this is the secon time 3rd base foul line has worked for us?

Because the Nats' grounds crew worked for hours one day piling up dirt along the line, pounding it down again, and rolling balls down the line to make sure they rolled fair. This according to our Nats Park tour guide who witnessed it.

It's perfectly legal to do because both teams are playing on the same field. But it ostensibly gives us an advantage when we have hustling bunters like Nyjer Morgan.

Posted by: NatsNut | September 10, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

NatsNut: that IS really cool. Now if we could just get Nyjer back in here with those bunts...

Posted by: Nats_Lady | September 10, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

When you have so many games with bases loaded and one or no outs and you DO NOT score, well the reason is your HEAD and not luck or the moon or a better team they prevents you from scoring.

They went into a Nyjer depression and have not come out.

Posted by: CBinDC | September 10, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

"No Justin they are just friends of Stan's but maybe if you would DO SOMETHING positive instead of strike out he would not have to invite his friends to Citizen Bank Park DC branch.

Posted by: CBinDC"

CBinDC, huh? Does that stand for Citizen's Bank in DC by any chance?

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | September 10, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

If the problem's in the head, bring in a motivational speaker. "Losing is a disease..." /sarcasm

Posted by: poncedeleroy | September 10, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

CBinDC, huh? Does that stand for Citizen's Bank in DC by any chance?

No ...... but ironic is it not

Posted by: CBinDC | September 10, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Just some thought. Who knew Alberto has 3 straight doubles in him? Has he turned a corner or this just a baseball fluke? Great reasoning Sec 222, but don't "hot" hitters hit right handeds as well as lefthandeds? Riggleman gave a pretty good explanation as to why Desmond will sit, but I personally feel you can still win the same amount of games we are going to win with Desmond at short and Guz playing second or sitting. Maxwell went 3 for 5. I think he is getting it and deserves more at bats. Harris is a great pinch hitter and not the future.

Sec 204 Row H Seat 7

Posted by: adhardwick | September 10, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Aside for the in-game decisions last night, I'm still sort of disappointed in Riggs' answer yesterday. Disappointed because in his mind "starting Guzman" = "trying to win." Disappointed because he can't really see the long-term future of the team beyond trying to win tonight's game. Disappointed because he not only disagreed with the idea that kids should start, but did so in the worst possible "old-school/respect-the-game" kind of way. At the end of the day, this is a team well on its way to losing 100+ for the second straight year and losing 90+ for a third straight year. Exactly how is what this team does on the field "respecting the game?" By being a doormat?

To me, that's the real problem with the whole "you play...to win.. the game." That's a football concept. Because of the fewer # of games, you manage every one like it's the last, because it's possible to go 16-0 or 0-16 as we've seen. But in baseball, you play...to win...70%...of the games. And when that becomes impossible (as it is for the Nats now), then you should think about developing people, so that, you can play...to win...70%...of the games...next year.

Posted by: Highway295Revisited | September 10, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

@Periculum,

Whem you get upset you always fall back on Seth Bynum. Is he your brother. Pete Orr has several years of MLB experience. For all you know he might have had a good hitting record against that pitcher. Seth Bynum not so much. When will you realize that being an all star in triple A is like being the best towel boy at a car wash. Double A is what matters. Seth Bynum not so much.

Posted by: WashOut | September 10, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Do you know I found a song in iTunes with the title Nat's Nut?

Posted by: Nats_Lady | September 10, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Searched on "Nats" -- found Nat's Blues and Nat's Hit also. For good luck I purchased Nat's Hit (Jazz), also I like the artist, Nat Adderley.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | September 10, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

By the way, NN, I love the baseline thing - that's one of those little "home field advantage" type things that often go unnoticed. Same thing with heavily watering the infield and leaving the infield grass a little longer, so that ground balls slow down a little, or leaving it hard and short so they skip faster.

Posted by: Highway295Revisited | September 10, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

This notion that guys in AAA are better than proven MLBers is nuts. Guzzie has his warts but he is better than Desmond. That said, I've been saying that we should move Guzzie to 2B since the All-Star break (and I think they will this offseason). But in the meantime, attitude is more important than results. If the Rigglemonster mails it in with his lineup card then it tells everyone that it doesn't matter what you do today because I expect to lose.

But of course this does not mean he is exempt from critizism for his in-game moves.

Posted by: sec307 | September 10, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Personally, I don't like Riggleman at all, never have--but I won't accuse him of "mailing it in" when it comes to the starting line-up. He has very limited material to work with.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | September 10, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

@Coach, I'm not going to bash Maxwell for getting doubled off, but I don't think that anyone else would have been caught on play. If you look at the replay, it's clear he broke for third at the crack of the bat. He took about a step and a half before realizing the peril he was in, and by then it was too late. I think baserunners are taught to freeze on a line drive and be sure it gets through before running. That might have prevented him from scoring on a single, but it would have kept him at second with Zim coming up if the liner was caught. Nonetheless, it was a great play by Utley and Rollins, particularly the toss that led Rollins to the bag so he could beat Maxwell there. They are real pros. Maybe someday we'll have a double play combo like that...

Posted by: Section222 | September 10, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

In my preceeding comment I should have said: I don't think that "anyone else" would have been caught on the play. In other words, not everyone would have been caught. Obviously, plenty of our players would have been, given our baserunning woes this year.

Posted by: Section222 | September 10, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Also, apparently the flip side of issuing walks is issuing homeruns. Walks don't automatically score--homeruns do. Which would you rather have?

Posted by: Nats_Lady | September 10, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Playing to win the game. I agree that it's not fair to trot out the minor leaguers against teams vying for a playoff spot. So I don't have too much of a problem with Riggs staying with the practically the same lineup since the All-Star Break. He does have a tendency, though, to manage in the game using most of the same strategies as the previous manager, mainly by sticking with the lefty-vs-righty matchups instead of sticking with the hot bat (or hot pitcher). Hasn't been working too well for him lately ...

Posted by: erocks33 | September 10, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm, looking at how some of these guys have been playing the last month, maybe I'm leaning more towards seeing what some of the youth have to offer ...

Past 28 days stats:

Willie Harris
.230 / .347 / .426
Cristian Guzman
.195 / .224 / .293
Ryan Zimmerman
.258 / .356 / .494
Adam Dunn
.280 / .427 / .500
Josh Willingham
.208 / .303 / .416
Elijah Dukes
.303 / .432 / .470
Josh Bard
.233 / .250 / .419
Alberto Gonzalez
.246 / .267 / .351
Wil Nieves
.275 / .321 / .333

Guzman and Willingham need some days off. Would it really be that bad to sit them down for a couple of games and have Desmond and Morse start??

As for AG, maybe I'm in the minority but I like having him as the starting second baseman. His defense is top notch. His batting fluctuates between hot and cold, but he doesn't strikeout a lot (though he rarely walks). Still, most #8 hitters in the NL will give you that kind of output.

Posted by: erocks33 | September 10, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

One thing that hasn't been brought up in the "Guzman to 2B" discussions - If he has problems going to his left at SS, he'll have problems going to his left at 2B; Well guess who's on his left at 2B - Adam Dunn, who doesn't exactly move like a cat to his right.

The best thing might be for Guzman to have bunion surgery on the bad foot; it's a nasty procedure & takes about 4-6 months to come back from. He'd probably get a half-step (or better) back laterally & be ready for Spring Training.

Posted by: BinM | September 10, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

@erocks: Spot on about AGonz at 2B - He's very smooth on that side of the IF, but needs a little more confidence on his DP pivot, imo.

He may never be an every-day 2B because of his streaky hitting, but he's a great glove in the middle.

Posted by: BinM | September 10, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

HW295 you are spot on. Thats why its hard to take when you see Pete Orr pinch hitting for no other reason except the integrity of the game, or maybe the integrity in Riggs mind but come on whats that all about?

Posted by: TippyCanoe | September 10, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

boz is chatting.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | September 10, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Riggleman is just managing to make sure he never ends up with his own hitting coach in his face screaming "You have no integrity!" Can you blame him for that?

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | September 10, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Tippy: Riggleman played the percentages in that instance (pinch-hitting the LH Orr against a RHP), rather than staying with AGonz & Orr did his job (SacFly RBI).

If he'd stayed with AGonz against Park & got a non-productive out from it, you'd probably be up in arms about not playing the situation better.

I'm bothered more by Dunn hitting nothing but singles since the end of August, and taking the goat's horns the last two nights with the tying / winning runs in scoring position.

Posted by: BinM | September 10, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic,
those couple real prospects (literally 2) Justino Cuevas & Alexander Romero

you can check out those and others at http://natsfarm.com/ click on the Latin American Nats USA link on the top left.

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I'm a fan and I can't wait until they draft Harper next year... The season is screwed and the Nats stink, we need quality Free Agents and the best draft picks, as well as that amazing dominican pipeline which seems to be shut off this year with the exception of a couple real prospects.

Posted by: PNatsFan | September 9, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

And those "couple real prospects" would be...and don't say Frowny.

Posted by: Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me | September 9, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PNatsFan | September 10, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

"Arlington, Va.: Will Teddy ever win a President's Race?

Tom Boswell: He won on Tuesday but was disqualified for cutting the corner illegally in RF. This drove Chico Harlan over the edge. He bought it! For a second, he thoughty he'd seen Teddy win. Now he's bitter."

Ha! Chico the food critic probably believed that frozen yogurt on the old Seinfeld episode was really non-fat, too. What a rube.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | September 10, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Riggles, did you guys read his latest?

Morning Bog: Riggleman Says Baseball Isn't Taxing

He said that right in this here newspaper to one of these here reporters. Also claimed that the days off that he grants are not for "fatigue" but to "keep the other guys sharp". oic

Posted by: Nats_Lady | September 10, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Riggleman's right. Baseball in and of itself is not particularly taxing physically. It's the long season, the travel, the day games after night games and all that wears players down, not the playing or practicing. Ever notice that baseball is pretty much the only sport that plays every day, with a season twice as many games long as the next highest sport? Football, basketball, soccer, hockey couldn't even think of doing that.

Baseball is more physically taxing than golf, though. Which is probably why so many professional baseball players play golf in their spare time.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | September 10, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

It depends on the position. Clearly pitching is physically taxing. Probably catching also, though catchers don't rest for 4 games out of 5...

Posted by: Nats_Lady | September 10, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Acta or Riggleman or Torre or LaRussa. It won't matter until we have an MLB quality roster. Howard, Utley, Rollins, Ibanez, Victorino, Werth ... let's face it, Charlie Manual is not a genious, he's lucky.

Arguing whether Riggleman would be a better manager if he wrote in Orr or Desmond into his lineup is laughable. Now if he had Utley and wrote in Orr instead, that would be the sign of a bad manager.

Posted by: natbiscuits | September 10, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

in other news... (from espn)
The large aluminum No. 8 outside the Camden Yards ballpark was stolen Tuesday night by four young men who were arrested about two hours later, Baltimore police said. The monument was recovered.

Surveillance cameras captured video of the men removing the 4-foot monument and placing it in the bed of a pickup truck, police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said.

Posted by: twinbrook | September 10, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

"The large aluminum No. 8 outside the Camden Yards ballpark was stolen Tuesday night"

Soon to be replaced by a large aluminum 12 to commemorate Baltimore's latest consecutive losing season.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | September 10, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

The large aluminum 30 and 3 ordered for display at Camden Yards are currently on backorder at the manufacturer, though.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | September 10, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Laugh if you can. It's not like the Nats are in anything besides the muck.

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Soon to be replaced by a large aluminum 12 to commemorate Baltimore's latest consecutive losing season.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | September 10, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"The large aluminum No. 8 outside the Camden Yards ballpark was stolen Tuesday night by four young men who were arrested about two hours later, Baltimore police said. The monument was recovered."

Where do you fence something like that? Sesame Street? Was one of them a short purple guy with fangs, a cape, and a bad accent?

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | September 10, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they just wanted it for themselves--with their overwhelming Oriole-love?
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Where do you fence something like that?

Posted by: Nats_Lady | September 10, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Sec3 - that's funny - the idea of a muppet running off carrying a large aluminum "8" over his head will keep me laughing the rest of the day.

Back a bit - 307 - I'm not saying that AAA guys are better, I'm saying that we have no idea whether Guzman is really better than Desmond or not. I don't know and you don't know. Desmond OPS'ed .878 this year in 400-ish ABs between AA and AAA his OBP was .401 and was .350+ in '07. Guzman's never OPSed that high at any level in his life. All of that is very promising. Still, I have no idea how any of it would compare at the MLB level with Guzman because Riggleman WON'T PUT HIM IN to find out. Maybe he sustains and becomes Guzman with better range and more power and proves to be better. Maybe he craters and proves he's a AAAA player and worse than Guzman. Who knows - my point (and goodness gracious help me, SoCH's point too) is put him in and find out and stop with this "integrity of the game" garbage.

Posted by: Highway295Revisited | September 10, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

From the end of Boswell's chat:
"I once asked Mauch what the worst moment was for a manager. Poor question. But he thought about everything, never answered anything quickly (unlike any other manager/coach who comes to mind). Mauch said, 'The day you realize that you care more than they do.'"
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Good answer for a fan, too, to "When do you stop buying tickets?"

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | September 10, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I just realized I should have asked Boswell this. Boz?

And Chico, are you going to cover the AFL?

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Arizona. I'm guessing Strasburg won't pitch more than every fifth day. And probably start the first game, just because. So I figure the Saturday game, Oct. 24, against Scottsdale, should be good. Sound about right?
Posted by: Sec3mysofa | September 10, 2009 12:45 AM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | September 10, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

The story I heard on the radio this morning about the stolen 8 said that the police found that the guys who took it were "highly intoxicated."

Well, duh!

Posted by: ramgut | September 10, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

"The story I heard on the radio this morning about the stolen 8 said that the police found that the guys who took it were "highly intoxicated."

I would have guessed that they were intoxicatingly high myself.

Posted by: FromTheEclipseThePlaceThatBobCarpenterCallsHome | September 10, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

"Whem you get upset you always fall back on Seth Bynum. Is he your brother. Pete Orr has several years of MLB experience. For all you know he might have had a good hitting record against that pitcher. Seth Bynum not so much. When will you realize that being an all star in triple A is like being the best towel boy at a car wash. Double A is what matters. Seth Bynum not so much.

Posted by: WashOut | September 10, 2009"

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Okay fine.

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(btw Chico/et al) be nice if we can use html here as one can in other comment areas on the Post site? Seems to be a lot of inconsistency as far as these blogs are concerned. Certainly a sysadmin nightmare?
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Washout I am just applying Riggleman's criteria as to who "deserves" to play and who gives the team the best chance to win.

Right now finding a place to play Morse makes sense because the bats have suddenly stilled. Its possible Zim may catch Dunn in the home runs and rbi department?

I know what you keep saying about Syracuse, but the way I see it, if players in AAA are AAAA they should still be better than AA. So, they should be tougher. The pitchers that did well in AAA SYR have done the best in the majors. Clippard, JD Martin, and to some extent Mock. Morse. I am sure given a chance Padilla would prove out as well. Dukes got very hot in SYR just before he was brought up.

If I'm not mistake you, Washout, thought that Martin wouldn't make it. Right now he is their most consistent starter. Of all the starters (after some adjustment but with consistent improvement) he is the only starter who when he pitches seems to always give the Nats the best chance to win. Just as in Syracuse. If he can maintain focus through and beyond seven he could get better.

I'm not saying that Martin should be the #1 ace. But I think it does show that before any of these "non soft tosser / toolsy" types be considered any sort of potential #1 and #2 stopper they need to at least prove that they can do that in Syracuse first as Martin did. And not just in Harrisburg. It really didn't work to jump Detwiler, O'Connor, and Hinckley up from there now did it?

So, let's forget all-star Bynum? Let's look at left-handed hitters? Let's compare Orr to Kory Casto?

Kory Casto 447 22 doubles, 1 triple 8 HR .271 .334/.378/.712 with 13 errors born 1981
Nats draft pick.

Pete Orr 412 13 doubles, 5 triples, 9 HR .242
.305/.367/.671 with 11 errors born 1979

Why not pick Kasto at least he is closer to being one of your "prospects" than Orr is?


Posted by: periculum | September 10, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Good one, Sec3.

My favorite number joke?

What comes between fear and sex?

Funf!

Posted by: Section506 | September 10, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Well the lineups WERE posted....

Posted by: VelocityAtrocity | September 10, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

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