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Nats announce individual ticket prices for 2010

The Washington Nationals, just months away from beginning their third season at Nationals Park, announced on Wednesday individual ticket prices for 2010 -- with most of the rates holding steady from 2009. The plan features absolutely no pricing increases, as well as slight reductions for roughly 3,000 outfield seats. Tickets for all other sections in the 41,888-seat ballpark will remain identical.

Prices for individual tickets, like last year, range from $5 (Grandstand) to $325 (Lexus Presidents Seats). The reductions for 2010 come in the Outfield Reserved Section, where all tickets will cost $24. (Last year they cost between $24 and $30, depending on the section.) Also, tickets will be reduced from $18 to $17 in the Lower Right Field Terrace.

In addition, the Nationals plan to have 12 "value" games, up from five in 2009, where fans can purchase individual seats for the same price offered to partial-plan season ticket holders.

Here's the complete release.

By Alexa Steele  |  December 16, 2009; 4:13 PM ET
 
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Comments

I'm a little confused; according to The Post's post "the team ended Nats Express and free RFK parking at the conclusion of last season." But on the Nationals website page linked in this post there's still a plug for the Nats Express shuttle.

Posted by: greggwiggins | December 16, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

As long as the $5 seats don't go up. You know, Atlanta has a $1 day-of-game section up there.

Posted by: poorman1 | December 16, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

The link on tickets also is all about season tickets, nothing about individual tickets or value games. Alexa, can you try again?

Posted by: Traveler8 | December 16, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure I'm like a few folks here. I was in a syndicate of 20-25 guys who bought four full season in Club 206. Our syndicate dissolved. I'm looking either at joining another group or perhpas heading to those $17 ducats in second level sections 222 to 236. Anybody here sit there, and can inform me of the view? Do I at least have an obstructed view everytime Logan Kensing comes on to pitch?

Posted by: Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me | December 16, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Sunshine -- my seats are in, you guessed it, Section 222. They are great seats for the money, partly because we're in the third row, so we're actually on the same level as the club seats. Totally unobstructed, though when Kensing comes in, you may wish there was an obstruction. If you'd like to join our group, we still have one share available for next year. I can give you more details off line if you're interested. My email is songs57@aol.com.

Posted by: Section222 | December 16, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Too bad about the demise of the RFK shuttle, if that's true. Nats Express was fun, and you sure don't get much for free.

Posted by: nats24 | December 16, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

The Lerners are not paying for the Nats Express any longer?? Ok, with those coins in their pocket there is NO EXCUSE for them not to sign Holliday. ;-)

Posted by: dfh21 | December 16, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Sunshine--I concur with 222. We were in 224 in 2008, and moved to 222 in '09. Great seats for the money. (Although I'm not thrilled that the walk-up price is now the same as my season ticket holder price, I guess some of the extras help ease that pain.)

Section 222--we're moving from Row F to Row C in the A-plan 22 game package next year, so I guess we'll be neighbors for 1/4 of the season. See you at the park....

Posted by: seamhed | December 16, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I shall keep grandstanding!

Posted by: grandstander | December 16, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Lastings, I didn't know you read this blog! Good to see you.

Posted by: Scooter_ | December 16, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to Section222 and to Seamhed for the great and timely advice. Section222, I may be e-mailing you privately for details. But thanks for the insight, and see you at the park. I'll be the guy (but maybe not the only one) booing Logan Kensing.

Posted by: Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me | December 16, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

See you there Seamhed. Hopefully you've got a bit of a Capitol view. And if you want to change your name here to "Section 222 too", that would be fine with me.

Posted by: Section222 | December 16, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Man. 64 days til pitchers and catchers. This is torture.

Posted by: NatsNut | December 16, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Take some time-out for Christmas, NatsNut. That'll knock it down to only 55 days.

Posted by: lowcountry | December 16, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Look forward to hearing from you Sunshine. My back of the envelope calculation indicates that in our plan you can see *alot* more baseball for about the same amount of money as you've been spending. We'll be delighted to have you on board.

Posted by: Section222 | December 16, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

The Latest Buzz via Fox Sports.com

The Nationals remain intent on adding two starting pitchers before Opening Day, one major league source said, and would prefer that at least one of them be a No. 2 starter or better.

Among the names presently on their list: Joel Pineiro, Jon Garland and Jason Marquis, in no particular order.

Pineiro is looking for a four-year contract, another source said, with Marquis hoping for a two- or three-year deal.

Meanwhile, the Mets still view Pineiro and Marquis as options to upgrade their rotation. But the organization is currently devoting the bulk of its attention to the search for a left fielder -- with a particular focus on free agent Jason Bay. -- Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi

Posted by: TippyCanoe | December 16, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Couple of interesting notes on MLB Trade Rumors: 1) Luis Ayala signed with the Dodgers. (Good Luck Luis). 2) Mike Gonzalez may be signing with the O's. If that is true, then one of the competitors for Capps has just dropped off the list.

Posted by: natbiscuits | December 16, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Jamey Carroll signed with the Didgers too.

Posted by: natbiscuits | December 16, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

dodgers too ...

Posted by: natbiscuits | December 16, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Tippy: WTH? Marquis = ok, Garland = ok, Pinero on a 4-year deal = Just Say NO.

I personally hope the Mets (& Moreno) sign & sink another ton of $$$ into Bay. It would be like Moreno surviving the Titanic for command of the Lusatania. He's stil re-arrainging deck chairs, but we already know they both sunk.

Posted by: BinM | December 16, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

@all the various 222s: Sure, it's all fun and games until you step on their precious grass, or toss a ball back where it came from.
Harumphf.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 16, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

BinM, are you talking about Omar Moreno, the Mets' general manager? Is that the dude who left Javier Flores unprotected?

Posted by: Scooter_ | December 17, 2009 2:54 AM | Report abuse

What, Jamey plays the didgeridoo? I always knew that he could do just about anything as a utility player, but... Oh. Never mind...

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Oh, and Jamey Carroll signed with the Didgers too.

Posted by: natbiscuits | December 16, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

dodgers too ...

Posted by: natbiscuits | December 16, 2009 10:18 PM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | December 17, 2009 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Scooter: That's the guy. He finished the gutting of the Expos/Nationals, then moved on to the Mets.

Posted by: BinM | December 17, 2009 7:59 AM | Report abuse

But seriously, folks, Carroll was always one of my faves and I wish him well. Ayala, umm...I'll guess that I'll wish Torre good luck with that move.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | December 17, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

O's trade for Millwood, ink Gonzalez and Garrett Atkins and are now in on Holliday -- while the Nats are tinkering and Satn Kasten is calling for even more patience from the fans? Nice.

BTW, Jamey Carroll is an accomplished Tuvan throat singer and he recently toured in the chorus of River Dance. Dude does it all.

Posted by: dfh21 | December 17, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

The voice of experience from sec86, er, 3.

The ticket prices won't really affect the natsfan1 group, as we're most often found in the Veeckian reaches of the upper deck (most typically the Infield or Outfield Gallery). Bummer about the shuttle, though. Will it not be available at all, whether free or for a fee?

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@all the various 222s: Sure, it's all fun and games until you step on their precious grass, or toss a ball back where it came from.
Harumphf.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 16, 2009 11:54 PM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | December 17, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Who the heck is Javier Flores?

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 17, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Tuva or bust!

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 17, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Didn't he used to be married to Rita Moreno?
*******
Who the heck is Javier Flores?
Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 17, 2009 9:50 AM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 17, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Looks like the Dodgers are into picking up what they can, cheaply. Interesting. It's California. It's a divorce (bring the mop, there's already blood all over the floor.)

BTW, I went back to being a STH, after a year off. I couldn't stand it any longer. I went for seats, where I wanted them, and not expensive.

BTW, for those who complained about the price of beer...don't check the local mart prices. Check other stadium prices. Nats Park ain't expensive.

Posted by: mikecatcher50 | December 17, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the tidbit Tippy.

I hope it's true. Garland and Marquis would be a nice upgrade to the rotation.

Posted by: Section505203 | December 17, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

@dfh21 -- why are you upset about the Nats not inking Gonzalez or Atkins or trading for Millwood? I think not going after either of these three makes perfect baseball sense for the Nats.

Atkins, a corner infielder with a career .252/.324/.411/.735 slash line away from Coors Field and who was paid $7M last year. Would you rather he replace Zim or Dunn?

Gonzalez, a 32 year-old Type A closer. O's sign him for 2 years, $12M (could go up to $16M). I just don't see the Nats needing to give up the first pick of the second round in next years draft, along with $12-16M for a closer.

Millwood had a good year last year, but no so much the previous couple. Even if the Rangers are piccking up $3M of his contract, the O's are still on the hook for $9M for a #3 starter, at best. They can have him.

Just because the Nats haven't made as many moves as other teams (and hey, there are a lot of other teams that haven't made any moves) doesn't mean they're sitting on their hands doing nothing. For the first time since they've moved to DC, I truly have faith in the GM and his staff to make the right moves/deals. Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it's not going to happen. Patience ... Serenity now!

Posted by: erocks33 | December 17, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

BinM, are you talking about Omar Moreno, the Mets' general manager? Is that the dude who left Javier Flores unprotected?

Posted by: Scooter_ | December 17, 2009 2:54 AM | Report abuse
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I think you mean Omar MINAYA and JESUS Flores.

Posted by: thepostischeap | December 17, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I think Scooter was being funny. BinM made the mistake about 6 times, calling Jesus Flores Javier Flores.

Posted by: NatsNut | December 17, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Re: Luis Ayala signed by the Dodgers.
The loser in the McCord v. McCord divorce settlement gets Ayala.

Posted by: Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me | December 17, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Question just posed to Rizzo on his MLB.com chat...

joshdc:
What criteria are you looking for as you consider adding starting pitching to the 2010 roster?

Mike_Rizzo:
The pitchers that we are looking for to join the Nationals must be of high character, with successful and consistent histories who are willing to share their experiences and wisdom with our deep stable of young arms.

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Does anyone else read 'John Smoltz' between those lines?

Posted by: Kev29 | December 17, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

and he doesn't even mention DC
http://tinyurl.com/ygf9yw8

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 17, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I read Marquis between those lines; Ladson's report had Marquis saying explicitly that he was willing to share his experiences. Smoltz fits the criteria too. I think signing both of those would be almost too much to hope for.

Posted by: jcj5y | December 17, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Gosh, I hope we haven't started another vacation.

Posted by: natbiscuits | December 17, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I think Scooter was being funny.
Posted by: NatsNut | December 17, 2009 10:49 AM
+++++++++++++++++
Thanks, NatsNut; I'm glad someone has my back. (esp. since BinM appears to have skated right past it!)

Posted by: Scooter_ | December 17, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know where Rizzo's chat archive is? Can't find it anywhere.

Posted by: NatsNut | December 17, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

erocks -- I should have been more clear -- I do not think that the Nats should have signed/traded for the guys the O's have added (though Gonzalez and Millwood do fit the profile for what the club has stated it wants), I was just pointing out that the O's are actually adding pieces. Last year they signed Roberts long term and they have Markakis and Jones under control as well. Add Wieters and Guthrie, the club has improved in a huge way since 2008. Meanwhile, the Nats have pretty much sat on their hands. They have Zim and pretty much no other proven player inked long term. The club seems to be spinning its wheels.

27th in payroll last year and they have shed about a third of that without adding much. Rizzo's chat today makes me think the club is not looking to build a winner so much as they are making sure to be fiscally prudent. They need to start thinking about the former more than the latter. The Lerners owe the fan base something to be excited about now, not in 2012.

Posted by: dfh21 | December 17, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Looks like both Carpenter and little Debbie Taylor will be back next season:

http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091217&content_id=7822714&vkey=news_was&fext=.jsp&c_id=was&affiliateId=facebook_share

Posted by: big_game_lannan | December 17, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Make that little Debbi Taylor...

Posted by: big_game_lannan | December 17, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Found the Rizzo chat, NN:

http://tinyurl.com/yeqxkba

Posted by: BobLHead | December 17, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Jim Caple at ESPN did a chat on worst teams of the decade. I thought that his commetns on the Nats was interesting...

TJ (NY)


Worst team, has to have had no postseason apperances. So that's KC, Bal, Tor, Tex, Was, Pitt, Cinn.I would say that Pitt was the worst because they never even sniffed the WC while Was was at least moved so they have a excuse.

Jim Caple (2:49 PM)


An excuse? The league tried to kill them, then stole them away from their home? That's not an excuse, that's a tragedy.

Posted by: NatsWin | December 17, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

"Rizzo's chat today makes me think the club is not looking to build a winner so much as they are making sure to be fiscally prudent."

Not sure where you're getting this from. I read the chat transcript and the topic of payroll or spending was not addressed at all, either in the questions or the answers.

Posted by: section309 | December 17, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Bobble. =)

Posted by: NatsNut | December 17, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Bob Carpenter's going to be calling the Eclipse home for two more years.

Posted by: section309 | December 17, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Good article by Boz about fixing the game. Worth chewing on.

I don't agree with everything, but I like a lot of it.

Posted by: JohninMpls | December 17, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that Caple's chat doesn't match up with his article at all. Caple names the Montreal/Puerto Rico Expos/Washington Nationals as the worst team of the decade in his article.

http://tinyurl.com/yd73lhk

Caple ascribes most of the blame to Loria's shenanigans in Montreal, the threatened contraction, league ownership, the Puerto Rico fiasco, the move to DC (inflicting untold sports pain upon Montreal), and the Bowden era/SmileyGate.

Of course, the shredding of the roster to rid us of all potentially valuable players and the spelling incident also make supporting cast cameos, but the dispositive factor was apparently the move.

Posted by: faNATic | December 17, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Rizzo sure wasn't very chatty for something called a chat. Pretty much one-line answers, no discussion at all.

Oh well. Hopefully it's because he's too distracted by all the FA pitchers clamoring to come here.

Posted by: NatsNut | December 17, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

NN, Scooter: I didn't skate past it, just haven't had a chance to post from work.

"Hello everybody, my name is BinM, and I'm a knucklehead".

Posted by: BinM | December 17, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

"Re: Luis Ayala signed by the Dodgers.
The loser in the McCord v. McCord divorce settlement gets Ayala.

Posted by: Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me | December 17, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse "
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Don't go bringing Watergate and the Plumbers into this.

Posted by: jca-CrystalCity | December 17, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

The Expos made at least one good run at the wild card in the first year of proposed contraction (hey, that's why we traded Cliff Lee and Grady Sizemore!) and another in 2005. Some of those teams never were in the playoff hunt beyond June.

Posted by: jca-CrystalCity | December 17, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

sec309 -- Maybe my read into that chat is too bold -- you are right, he did not mention spending at all. Do you really think that no one asked? That no one sent a question saying: "If the Nats were ready to plunk down $180M for Tex, why are they not in on cheaper stars this year like bay or Holliday?" or "last year's payroll was 27th, what payroll range wil lthe Nats be in in 2010? Will the payroll be commensortae with DC's standing as a top 10 medis market?" or "Given the club's terrible records in years past and its, to date, slow hand to upgrade the MLB club, why would a season ticket holder renew for 2010?"

Rizzo said nothing about the payroll, he said nothing about FA targets, he actually said nothing about winning games at all actually. His responses were about as vanilla, predictable and uninteresting as could be. Who will the MI upgrade guy be? Rizz says that the guy could come from within, could come via trade, could be a FA -- thanks for narrowing it down to the universe of possibilities there Mike.

Someone handpicked the softball questions in that chat (Roger Bernadina, Justin Maxwell, will we use the Senators name and logo again some day, how many players will get spring training invites, etc. -- wtf!) -- nothing that anyone in this forum would have asked Rizzo in the first dozen questions.

His most expansive answer was about the type of pitcher they are looking for and it was bascially: successful, consistent guys who are willnig to help teach are young arms. Yawn. Did that tell me anything? Not sure, but it certainly did not tell me that there is any hurry in Nats Town to win more than they lose any time soon.

Posted by: dfh21 | December 17, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Stan is on record--and make of this what you will--that the fans do not care what the team spends, even if we think we do care. We only care if the team wins, and if they win spending in the lower third, what's that to us?

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 17, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

"Who will the MI upgrade guy be? Rizz says that the guy could come from within, could come via trade, could be a FA -- thanks for narrowing it down to the universe of possibilities there Mike."

Posted by: dfh21 | December 17, 2009 6:02 PM

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LOL. You're right, that was kind of a lame answer.

Posted by: NatsNut | December 17, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Folks: Here's a pieced-together rundown of where the Nationals are, and who they could be looking at for the starting rotation. I know most of it is old news, but it's just a summary for fat-chewing purposes.

Possible starting rotation for 2010 from current 40-man [Throws, 2010 age]:
1)Lannan [L,26]; 2)Stammen [R,26]; 3)Martis [R,23]; 4)Olsen [L,26]; 5)Martin [R,27]. Others - Atilano [R,25]; Balester [R,24]; Detwiler [L,24]; Estrada [R,27]; Jaime [R,23]; Mock [R,27]; Strasburg [R,22]; Thompson [L,23].

Free-Agent SP's 'linked' to WSH (via other websites): A.Chapman [L,22]; D.Davis [R,34]; J.Garland [R,30]; L.Hernandez [R,35]; J.Marquis [R,31]; V.Padilla [L,32]; J.Pinero [R,31]; J.Smoltz [R,43].

Pitchers being 'teased' as trade possibilities: ATL- D.Lowe [R,37], J.Vazquez [R,34]; CIN- B.Arroyo [R,33], A.Harang [R,32]; FLA- J.Johnson [R,26].

If you were looking for two SP's, put yourself in Rizzo's shoes for a moment. Who would you go after, and what would you realistically give up (in $$ for a FA signing, or players if a trade is involved)?

Posted by: BinM | December 17, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

[Smoltz/Randy Johnson], [Marquis/Vasquez], Lannan, Hernandez, [one of Stammen/Martis/Martin/Detwiler, the rest as injuries, ineffectiveness take a toll]. Strasburg eventually, if he pans out, probably September.

I think that could work, but it would cost them a few bucks. No telling what Smoltz and Johnson have left, but then neither of them is likely to make 20 starts, either, so it's not like they're blocking anybody.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 17, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

So if anyone out there ever doubted the power and sway that one Daniel Synder has on this town and on this media you must be on your way to the bank so that you can withdraw your life savings to pay the
bookie for your Oct bet.

The Redskins have 3 games left to play with a very long off season looming and what does Snyder do? He pulls the rip-cord on Brother Vinny and starts the media cycle for the next 2 months, his team stays in the news, he builds up hope, the B&G revolution withers on the vine and the Nats, Wiz and Caps have to fight for tile space on page D4 with the last standing Fish Wrap in town. The guy is the master at publicity game.

What do we get, StanK yacking about patience and Rizzo doing one-liners about charecter. If it wasn't so comical it would be pathetic.

Posted by: TippyCanoe | December 17, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Smoltz or Johnson could probably come here for about $5-6MM, I'm guessing--easily affordable at this point. Vazquez gets $11.5MM and then is on his own--kinda pricey for a team that would be thrilled to win 81 games, nevermind who Atlanta'd want.
Josh Johnson is intriguing, but I don't get the sense he's the kind of personality Rizzo is after. I could be wrong.


Olsen-so very sorry. I don't expect him back long-term. I just don't.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 17, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Nicky to the Damn Yankees. Film at 11.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 17, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

http://tinyurl.com/y88lg2q
One year, about $5.5MM.
DH's don't have to listen to circus music, at least.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 17, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I think the Braves are going to have to eat a lot of Lowe's salary to move him anywhere, and good luck getting much back for him. He's getting a lot of money, something like $15MM, he was distinctly mediocre last year, and now he seems to be getting pissy about it, which is usually counter-productive for all concerned. They could get more for Vazquez, but then, he's a better pitcher. I don't think Rizzo likes whiners, but Lowe might be a relative bargain under the circumstances, if all we need is a .500-ish pitcher with a sub-5 ERA.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 18, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

The mystery of where Chico is going post-Nats is over. He's heading to Japan to be the Post's Asia reporter. Must have been the sushi...Good luck, Chico, I think you did a helluva job here and took all our ribbing in stride. Sayonara...

Posted by: Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me | December 18, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Sunshine, you beat me to it...

from dcrtv.com:
WaPo's Harlan To Japan - 12/17 - Washington Post baseball writer Chico Harlan heads to Japan to be an Asia correspondent for the paper.....

Posted by: thepostischeap | December 18, 2009 12:51 AM | Report abuse

[sec3mysofa]"Josh Johnson is intriguing, but I don't get the sense he's the kind of personality Rizzo is after."
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what kinds of things have you heard about josh johnson have you heard that would make you say that? everything i've heard about the kid is extremely positive.

Posted by: sec231 | December 18, 2009 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Bill Ladson has this nugget: Bob Carpenter and Debbi Taylor are back as the Nationals' play-by-play voice and sideline reporter, respectively. They both work for the Mid Atlantic Sports Network.

So notable from that is any mention of Dribble? I thought he had a two-year deal. Did he blow out? Greener pastures. I also saw where Buck Martinez is heading to Toronto for a color gig. Musical game of chairs is under way. Who's going to be left standing?

Posted by: Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me | December 18, 2009 1:06 AM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure Dibble will be back. He signed an extended deal - I think one of the conditions of him moving from LA to take the job was a deal longer than the two years that were being offered, so he may be on a three or four year contract (most likely three). I haven't heard anything about him leaving, so I certainly hope he's back!

Posted by: thepostischeap | December 18, 2009 1:09 AM | Report abuse

BinM's list is so on the money, and you have to wonder if it's worth signing any of the over-the-hill guys. I don't want to lose even 90 games next year, but if the Nats do, I don't want it done with pricey bums.

If we're going to lose anyway (given this year's free agent market), we might as well do it with the young guys. Maybe one or two develop enough that the Nats win some games, in 2010 and the future.

Posted by: nats24 | December 18, 2009 1:56 AM | Report abuse

Biff Bobson's original item on Dibble's arrival in NatsTown quoted a team source as saying that he would be with the team for more than two years:

http://tinyurl.com/c37t7a

I enjoyed Dibble and Carpenter's work together last season and look forward to watching them again next year.

In other news, good luck to Nick the Stick in his return to the Yanks.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | December 18, 2009 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and good luck to Chico, although I'd be a bit more interested in seeing an item regarding who will be replacing him.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | December 18, 2009 7:08 AM | Report abuse

Just read the Rizzo chat and, speaking only for myself, I don't mind plain vanilla answers. It's way better than the screaming yellow zonkers variety, imo. What I want to know is, who is that Natsfan1 poseur? :-)

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | December 18, 2009 7:17 AM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be ironic if Ichiro, Godzilla and Dice-K all get super hot next year, start drawing hordes of people from Japan coming over to the US to follow them around from city to city, and the Post is forced to bring its Asia correspondent Chico over to tour along with them for the duration?

Posted by: section309 | December 18, 2009 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Glad to hear Carpenter is returning, but I am rather disappointed about Taylor. I still don't know if it is just her or her producers, but I hate the "Tell us how it felt to get that hit ....", "How great was it to get that last out ....", or "How much did you want that win ...." blather that she passes off for interviewing. I'd much prefer the "It looked like that pitch was down and in, was it a slider" or "It looked like you moved a couple of feet to your left before the pitch, was that based on the scouting report or something you saw during the game..."


Posted by: natbiscuits | December 18, 2009 8:05 AM | Report abuse

While I'm looking up specifics on what I vaguely remember about Josh Johnson, it may be academic.

Marlins | Determined not to trade J. Johnson
Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:25:06 -0800

"Joe Frisaro, of MLB.com, reports the Florida Marlins are determined not to trade SP Josh M. Johnson, despite not having a long-term deal in place with him. The team is still open to the idea of working out a long-term contract, and Johnson could make around $4.2 million in 2010."
ESPN has reported the Marlins turned down Neftali Feliz + Justin Smoak from Texas (a couple of guys I wouldn't mind the Nats having, btw) for Johnson.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 18, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

although the Justin Smoak thing may be partly for the All-Pun team.

"Is he on fire? No, he's ... Justin Smoak!"

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 18, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Itte irasshai, Chico. Remember us at our best, please.

There's an old Japanese saying at such times: Watashi no hobākurafuto wa unagi de ippai desu.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 18, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Hey, look what I just found - the dates for the 2010 NatsFest! Once again, it's the same weekend as the local SABR chapter's annual all-day event (but, again, not on the same day). Here's hoping that they both draw well!

http://masnsports.com/index_blog_natsbuzz.html

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | December 18, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

those dates would be

"The Nationals are busy planning for their annual Winter Caravan and NatsFest. We'll know more details after the new year, but for now, mark your calendars for Wednesday, January 27 through Sunday, January 31st."

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 18, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Watashi no hobākurafuto wa unagi de ippai desu.

Your hovercraft is full of eels? LOL

I knew the "unagi de ippai desu," but I just realized "hovercraft" is just english in Japanese phonetics.

Posted by: NatsNut | December 18, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Anata no kutsu ga taihen kusai desu.

Posted by: NatsNut | December 18, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

New York post says that Minaya is trying to get McDougal for the bullpen up there. If this happens it would appear that Bruney might have the inside track to the closers roll to open the season. Does anyone think it might also hasten Storens promotion? The NYP also says that as many as 10 teams have contacted McDougal.

Posted by: cokedispatch | December 18, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I bet there are at least several teams that have contacted every FA. No need to hurry Storen if not ready - we have a decent set of RP now with Clippard, Bruney, Burnett, and all our converted starters. Mac at the right price is good, even Capps. I don't think we should spend Mike Gonzalez money though - not real sure why B'more did.

Posted by: goexpos2 | December 18, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

...closers roll...

Oh, I hope not... if you can't get the ball above the batters knees you'll just walk everybody...

Posted by: OldDude | December 18, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Anata ni mo!

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 18, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

This will explain everything
http://tinyurl.com/ylm4jpm

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 18, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Fox Sports says that the Nats definitely have an interest in Matt Capps, that they "remain steadfast about not trading Adam Dunn, who "is not going anywhere for now" (how steadfast is that?), and that they were "asked about both Willingham and Morgan at the Winter Meetings, but they prefer to address rotation through free agency."

Posted by: BobLHead | December 18, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

LOL! got it.

Posted by: NatsNut | December 18, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Matt Capps and FA's for addressing the rotation. Hmmm! They could sign Manny, Moe and Jack and it won't change a thing.

WAPO, COMCAST, TEM and JFK are all in warp drive over the happenings out at Ashburn and probably will be for the next 6 months.

StanK and Co are tone-deaf and brain dead!

Patience Nats Fans, Phillie fans make sure you check back in mid Feb to order your OD tickets and the NL debut of Doc Halladay. Welcome Wagon park is just as much yours as it is ours! Jeeeezzzz!

Posted by: TippyCanoe | December 18, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"Fox Sports says that the Nats definitely have an interest in Matt Capps, that they "remain steadfast about not trading Adam Dunn, who "is not going anywhere for now" (how steadfast is that?), and that they were "asked about both Willingham and Morgan at the Winter Meetings, but they prefer to address rotation through free agency."


Posted by: BobLHead | December 18, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse"
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Nice piece in Fangraphs about how there is a glut of cheap DHs right now. With Matusi and Johnson settling for $6m or less for one year, that means the Vladis and the Damons and the others whose best position is eating cheetos while their team is in the field are likely looking at huge discounts. No team will trade for Dunn to DH when there is good cheap alternatives that do not cost prospects.

Posted by: jca-CrystalCity | December 18, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Awww, c'mon Tippy, what fun is it being one of millions of metro area Skins fans when you can be one of just 9000 Nats fans?

Shortstop trade targets:

Stephen Drew (AZ)
Jed Lowrie (BOS)
Erick Aybar/Brandon Wood (LAA)
Chin-Lung Hu (LAD)
Kevin Frandsen/Manny Burriss (SF)

Posted by: BobLHead | December 18, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey there Sec3mysofa ... Richard Feynman, Nobel prize winning Physicist, inventor of the very 1st parallel processing computing device whilst in Los Alamos is most certainly deceased. And never made it to Tuva. Not sure I understand your "humor"?

Posted by: periculum | December 18, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Jed Lowrie's injury record + Nat's injury record = Cristian Guzman as short every day.

Posted by: soundbloke | December 18, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

BLH: To coin a phrase, there's strong and then there's 9000 strong!

I'm just frustrated thats all. "Hey man, I'm a Nats Fan".

Posted by: TippyCanoe | December 18, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

There isn't a need for a top notch closer because, duh, we are not a top notch team. Save the money, develop Storen so when the games actually mean something to us he is ready. I'd be fine with the winner of MacDougal and Bruney.

I still think we sign Nady, letting us trade Willingham for a live arm. I wouldn't want to see Willingham go unless we have someone to replace him that isn't here right now. Then all we have to do is sign Marquis and SCNatsFan is a happy guy.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | December 18, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Richard Feynman, raconteur, drummer, safecracker, ladies' man, and all-around renaissance fella, a man who fixed radios by thinking, is indeed an ex-physicist, but his spirit and his jokes both live on.

And I'm pretty sure you never will understand it, but that's ok.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 18, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

and this may well be an urban myth, I suppose, but I've read Feynman's S-B IQ score was about 127, which is smart, but not considered genius range. The guy was obviously brilliant, and yet there are probably people in this chat who test higher than that. Hard to know what to make of that, if it's true.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 18, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

"The selfish, smiling fool, and the sullen,
frowning fool shall be both thought wise,
that they may be A. Rod."

William Blake

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 18, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"It is better to travel hopefully than arrive discouraged."
--Robert Louis Stevenson.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 18, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Sec3

Anyone who has an IQ over 120, and still believes that the IQ is a meaningful test of intelligence is simply succumbing to vanity.

You don't need to be Richard Feynman to know that.

Posted by: soundbloke | December 18, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

There isn't a need for a top notch closer because, duh, we are not a top notch team. Save the money, develop Storen so when the games actually mean something to us he is ready.
Posted by: SCNatsFan | December 18, 2009 2:42 PM

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I would argue the egg came first on that one. Many of the winnable games we lost, especially early in the season, were directly related to having a sucky (or non-existent) closer.

Posted by: NatsNut | December 18, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

MacDOugal (if they can keep him) and Bruney is certainly better than Hanrahan and WTF, but the thing is, that logic could apply to any given position. Getting top-notch players, however you go about it, is what makes you a top-notch team; that and good luck, but fortune favors the prepared. You can never have too much pitching. Nobody ever says, "They can't win, their closer is too good."
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There isn't a need for a top-notch closer because, duh, we are not a top-notch team. Save the money, develop Storen so when the games actually mean something to us he is ready. I'd be fine with the winner of MacDougal and Bruney.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | December 18, 2009 2:42 PM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 18, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

...ergo, we could have been a top-notch-ish team at least.

Posted by: NatsNut | December 18, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

sofa, jinx

Posted by: NatsNut | December 18, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

When people said the Nats were putting together a strong FO, I didn't think this was what they were talking about:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/18/AR2009121802167.html

Posted by: JohninMpls | December 18, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Well spoke, 'bloke.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 18, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

or at least dreaming of mediocrity...
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ergo, we could have been a top-notch-ish team at least.
Posted by: NatsNut | December 18, 2009 3:28 PM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 18, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"The road of moderation leads to the palace of mediocrity."
William W. Blake

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 18, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

OTOH, it may be possible to churn yourself right back out of contention:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/cubs-mariners-talking-bradley-trade.html

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 18, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Mediocrity is underrated.

Posted by: NatsNut | December 18, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I think technically a .500 hundred season is mediocre. I dare to dream of such mediocrity...

Posted by: soundbloke | December 18, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

my point was not to belittle the need for a closer, it's that we have bigger holes to fill first. Plug those holes, when the boat is repaired if Storen isn't ready then get a closer.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | December 18, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

speaking of under-rated, there's a NEW POST from Harlan-san.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 18, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Some teams are born mediocre, some teams achieve mediocrity, and some teams have mediocrity thrust upon them.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | December 18, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

sometimes I remember why I like this board
: )

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | December 18, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

The Nats should take a page from the Caps and partner with OptionIt (www.optionit.com). The Caps allow you to reserve face-value seats for ALL potential playoff games. It's pretty innovative!

Posted by: m7p7 | December 21, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

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