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Garate outrighted to Class AAA Syracuse

With the Matt Capps signing now official, the Washington Nationals have removed Victor Garate from their 40-man roster, outrighting the relief pitcher to Class AAA Syracuse.

Garate, 25, was part of the late-season trade that sent Ronnie Belliard to Los Angeles. In September he appeared in four games with the Nationals, allowing five earned runs and five hits in two innings. But prior to that, Garate had never pitched above Class AA.

By Chico Harlan  |  January 8, 2010; 3:04 PM ET
 
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Sounds like a good idea all around. Let Garate get some more seasoning in AAA before he comes back up again.

Posted by: Juan-John1 | January 8, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I suppose this means he cleared waivers, then, or did he not have to, since he was only in the majors once so far?

+1/2St.

Posted by: kevincostello | January 8, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Randy Winn is on the radar? Why? They could get a non-roster invitee to play superior defense and not hit to the capability of Winn, and the guy would not have to be 35 yrs old either. They could have nabbed Corey Patterson last month for the role if they were thinking glove.

If the plan is to move Willingham, the club might as well take a flyer on Ankiel in LF -- as he at least has potential upside (Hell, he might be able to crack the rotation, even with his inability to keep the ball from flying over the backstop).

Posted by: dfh21 | January 8, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

dfh, color me curious whom you're responding to.

Posted by: Scooter_ | January 8, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Not responding to anyone, curious colored one. Rumor mill has Randy Winn a Nats target. Guess Roger Bernadina and Justin Maxwell aint glovey enough.

Posted by: dfh21 | January 8, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Ladson shot down the Winn rumor.

Posted by: jfromPG | January 8, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Ahh, Ladson says no Winn? So what number will Randy wear, I wonder.

Posted by: dfh21 | January 8, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

i'd really like to see them go after Bellie.

Posted by: twinbrook | January 8, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

At last, we now know who the 'sacrificial lamb' was for signing Capps. I must admit, I'm a little suprised that it was the relatively young (25YO) LH Garate, but Rizzo knows a lot more than I ever will about judging baseball talent.

@twinbrook: A repeat on Belliard? - Let's take a pass on that one. I'd hope that anyone else that Rizzo signs (or trades for) has a better set of defensive skills than Belliard, who played 2B for the Nationals like he was the 'rover' on a softball team.

Posted by: BinM | January 8, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Does it matter who they sent to Cuse? I mean they'll all be in Spring Training and the roster in January is not the roster on opening day.

Posted by: dfh21 | January 8, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

What? Are they trying to pull Albert Belle out of retirement? Sounds like a bold move to me.

Posted by: breck3957 | January 8, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Does it matter who they sent to Cuse? I mean they'll all be in Spring Training and the roster in January is not the roster on opening day.
Posted by: dfh21 | January 8, 2010 7:03 PM
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To one or two of us on planet NJ, yes, it does matter - The off-season 40-man sets the tone for who the FO thinks hold some value for the ML roster, going into Spring Training.

Posted by: BinM | January 8, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

MLBTR quotes an SI tweet that while the Jays are the favorites for Chapman, "the Nationals, Marlins, Red Sox, A's and Angels" are potential players.

Vely intelesting, as Arte Johnson used to say.

Rizzo's been conspicuously quiet this week.

Posted by: Drew8 | January 8, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Further note on Chapman. MLBTV commentator (can't remember which one)indicated that the Saux are out of the Chapman pursuit because he does not fit into their current state (i.e. win now). Also, the Fish are probably not that interested because he does not really fit their profile (although, with a new stadium coming and a need to bring someone through the gates, a Cuban might have an attraction for other than Baseball reasons [MLB employees cannot say that on TV, just like they could not say that Yankees or Mets are looking for a Jewish player {something said with impunity in the 1920s} without being belted from pillar to post]when the club needs to seriously boost attendance), and, IMO, a relatively expensive, 21 year old prospect does not really fit Billy Beane's Moneyball pattern.

How 'bout that. I got to use a triple bracket.

Posted by: mikecatcher50 | January 8, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

And it wasn't in an equation, either. Nice.

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How 'bout that. I got to use a triple bracket.

Posted by: mikecatcher50 | January 8, 2010 9:51 PM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | January 8, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey BinM, didn't we also care because whoever got sent down had to go through waivers?* As has been mentioned here a couple times, there's still several guys who could probably be snuck through, but hey, there's always a possibility.

(Like, I once heard about a team who didn't put a guy, I think it was a pitcher, on their 40-man roster before the Rule 5 draft, and every fan of that team just KNEW that nice young man would be lost to them forever. And yet somehow, oddly, wonder of wonders, the kid wasn't swiped. Imagine that.)

That one word still sums it up pretty well, I guess: You never know.


* In case I haven't said it, I appreciate the private tutoring in roster rules over the last few weeks.

Posted by: Scooter_ | January 9, 2010 4:56 AM | Report abuse

By the way, I don't want to cast aspersions,* but I have heard rumors that mikecatcher50 uses Parenthesis Enhancing Documentation.


* Actually, I should rephrase that slightly. Just remove the word "don't" and you'll get the sense of what I'm going for here.

Posted by: Scooter_ | January 9, 2010 5:00 AM | Report abuse

Scooter: Guilty as charged. Seems I've been suffering from a bit of "tunnel vision" lately. Just need to calm down & breathe deep - only 41 days 'till pitchers & catchers report.

Posted by: BinM | January 9, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Oddly, it is gratifying that the Nats appear to be in a no-Winn situation.

Posted by: Hendo1 | January 9, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Hendo1: Where's the rimshot, and the "Here till Sunday, two-drink minimum & don't forget to tip your server"?

Posted by: BinM | January 9, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Here you go:

http://instantrimshot.com/

:-D

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | January 9, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Ahh, 1a1 - Count on you to come through with the clip/soundbite.
++++++++++++++++
While I know the fans all want to see more in terms of pitching/defense/hitting, barring a trade (or two), I'm personally feeling more comfortable with the Nationals' starters than I have been at any time since 2005.
Marquis/Lannan/Stammen as the top-3, then Olsen or Detwiler at #4, and Martis/Martin/Mock battling for the #5 slot; Detwiler, Martin & Mock should all still have options left, and are proven at AAA should they not make the 25-man.

With Strasburg, JZimm & others possibly ready in late 2010 or 2011, the future is indeed getting brighter, imo.

The defense, well that's another topic...

Posted by: BinM | January 9, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Still thinking Chapman in DC is unlikely.

from MLBTR
Aroldis Chapman Rumors: Saturday
By Mark Polishuk [January 9 at 1:53pm CST]

According to Sean McAdam of CSNNE.com, the Red Sox are "starting to pull back" from their pursuit of Aroldis Chapman. Boston was one of the first clubs to offer a contract to the Cuban left-hander, worth a reported $15.5MM and made before Chapman switched agents from Edwin Mejia to the Hendricks brothers. Now that the bidding has now reportedly passed the $20MM mark, however, the Sox aren't willing to spend that much on "someone they believe has a lot of question marks."

The Red Sox were seen as one of three 'finalist' candidates for Chapman's services, along with the Blue Jays and Angels. It was reported yesterday that Toronto had offered Chapman a $23MM deal, and today, Richard Griffin of the Toronto Star breaks down how and why the Jays (not known for being big spenders) are willing to break the bank for this particular prospect.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | January 9, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I think the rotation still has one PTBNL in it, very possibly the front end (as in, no one named Livan, which saddens me in an irrational way).

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | January 9, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Sec3(sofa): Just remember that the Hendricks Bros. are Boras "wannabes" - They'll try to drive up prices based on nothing but their own hype. Chapman will probably sign for $17-19M, and will take between 2 to 3 years to become ML-ready.

I'm also feeling your mixed emotions regarding Livan; He'd make a solid 'back-end' starter, but that's not what the Nationals are looking for right now.

Posted by: BinM | January 9, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

he's gone from hai garate to bye garate.

Posted by: surly_w | January 9, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

surly, if he turns out to be another Smiley Gonzalez, that would be a Garate-gate?

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | January 9, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Maybe, BinM. OTOH, the Fort Worth Cats are going to have to replace Crow with *somebody*...

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | January 9, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Maybe, BinM. OTOH, the Fort Worth Cats are going to have to replace Crow with *somebody*...
Posted by: Sec3mysofa
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That's cold, dude - Even hinting that Livan would have to go to the Indy Leagues is just wrong; He'd retire first.
More likely, he'll catch a MiLB contract with some team, and be back in MLB by June.

Posted by: BinM | January 9, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Agree with both of y'all re Livan!, on both the rational and the ir-. Rotation as a whole: it does feel much better, but my brain tells me it's really just last year + Marquis + knowing which kiddies *not* to rely on (e.g., Mock). So yeah, one more real-life starting pitcher -- as we've wanted for some time -- would not be uncalled-for.

(BinM, I should probably stop posting, because I'm apparently being ruder than I intend. I didn't realize I'd charged you with anything. I think I need more sleep.)

Posted by: Scooter_ | January 9, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

http://instantrimshot.com/

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he's gone from hai garate to bye garate.

Posted by: surly_w | January 9, 2010 4:44 PM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | January 9, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Livo, if you're reading this--YOU know I was referring to Chapman, like another recent Hendricks client.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | January 9, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

I bet the Nats end up signing Garland to a 2 year deal for between $15mil and $20 mil. No team is going to give him 3 years and no contenders will give him more than 1 year and the Nats offer will be the biggest for 2 years. The top of the Nats rotation will then be:

Garland(R)
Lannan(L)
Marquis(R)

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | January 9, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

I also think the Nats will trade Willingham to the Yankees for either Eduardo Nunez or Ramiro Pena and a minor league pitcher.

The Nats will then sign one of: Ankiel, Johnny Damon, Randy Winn, Xavier Nady, or Jermaine Dye to a one year deal with hope of Bernardina or Maxwell being the LF in 2011.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | January 9, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

peteywheatstaw

I think you are being a little optimistic there. Don't get me wrong, this sort of talk gets me all excited but, I don't see it happening.

Posted by: soundbloke | January 10, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Additionally, Bernadina & Maxwell are out of options, IIRC. If they don't make the 25-man coming out of spring training, they would have to clear waivers to stay in the orginization.

Posted by: BinM | January 10, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Surprised no ones mentioned this yet:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AtA8n5ZEeA_0tqdy2cRaBMQRvLYF?slug=jp-chapmansigns011010&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Definitely could be us. Chico can you update us on this when you get a chance, thanks.

Posted by: mwyche1 | January 10, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

According to MLB Trade Rumors, it appears that Aroldis Chapman has agreed to a $30 miillion contract with an unidentified National League Team. Due to the fact that the Marlins appear to have bowed out of the sweepstakes, they surmise that the Nationals are the team he signed with. This comes from a source at Yahoo! Sports. I'm not sure how reliable Yahoo! Sports is.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/aroldis-chapman-agrees-to-30mm-deal.html

Posted by: Cavalier83 | January 10, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Got me by a minute...haha

Posted by: Cavalier83 | January 10, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

OTOH:

Aroldis Chapman Agrees To $30MM Deal?
By Luke Adams [January 10 at 11:40am CST]

Aroldis Chapman has agreed to a $30MM with an unknown National League team, according to Jeff Passan of Yahoo! Sports.

The last we heard on Chapman, his main suitors were American League teams (the Angels and Blue Jays) and the largest offer he'd received was around $23MM, so this would qualify as a major surprise.

On Friday, SI.com's Jon Heyman named the Nationals and Marlins as two interested NL teams, but Florida's last bid was around $16MM, so it's unlikely that they nearly doubled their offer to the lefty. Earlier in the week, we heard that the Astros and Mets were out of the running for Chapman. It looks like Washington could be the favorite, but we'll have to wait for more details on this one.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | January 10, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

12:27pm: In a follow-up tweet, Passan narrows the mystery team down to an NL Central club, speculating that the Reds look like the best bet. Passan adds that the $30MM deal is for five years.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | January 10, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Never mind...looks like the Reds.

Posted by: Cavalier83 | January 10, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

12:36pm: Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports confirms via Twitter that the Nationals are not the team signing Chapman.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | January 10, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

but if it is the Reds, they are going to be a lot less picky about what they get back for Harang, since they won't be interested in eating any of his salary.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | January 10, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

unless they already have moved him, and we don't know about it yet.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | January 10, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

they apparently wanted Sherrill and a prospect from LA (and didn't get it) for Harang and $10MM. SO if you say, OK, we'll take Harang and his salary off your hands, you can have Matt Chico and WTH, we'll throw in Severino.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | January 10, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

12:58pm: MLB.com's Joe Frisaro tweets that it's "definitely" not the Marlins signing Chapman. He hears that it's the Reds.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | January 10, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

So do any of the Saberatti have an opinion on Chris Valaika, the Reds' SS prospect who seems to hit pretty well? Worth insisting they include him if we pay Harang?

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | January 10, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

1:00pm: Buster Olney tweets that it's not the Padres or Dodgers. Seconds later, he chimes in that it's also not Colorado or Atlanta.

(starting to feel like a recording secretary here)

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | January 10, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

1:12pm: Yahoo's Tim Brown narrows down the list of NL Central teams (via Twitter), eliminating the Brewers from the mix.

This is like those scoreboard "guess the year" games...

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | January 10, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

1:19pm: Morosi tweets that while he hasn't received any confirmation or denials from Reds officials, he spoke with two people from other clubs who think Chapman is going to the Reds.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | January 10, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm kinda glad that the Nats didn't sign Chapman for that type of money. Given what they paid for SS, I would be concerned that he (and his B.O.P. agent) would remember that once he were to hit the open market in six years or so...

Posted by: TimDz | January 10, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

$30M from any team would be a "stupid" amount of money for Chapman, imo; If it really comes from the Reds, that's really suprising in my mind.

Posted by: BinM | January 10, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

The Reds is confirmed, so what do you think? If they have to dump Harang, do you want him here?

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | January 10, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

According to the Cot's website, Harang has a trade 'kicker' in his contract, where if he's traded, his 2011 salary becomes a $14M mutual option, with a $2.5M buyout. Additionally, his GS, IP, K-W ratio & WHIP have been in steady decline since 2007.

Between the salary kicker & the 3-year statistical declines, I'd pass if I were in Rizzo's shoes. Harang is becoming a #4-5SP, and that's not what the team is looking for.

Posted by: BinM | January 10, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Arroyo, if we're isolating talk to CIN SP. His contract is better than Harang's, ($13M vs. $14.5M in 2011), and he's more durable.

Posted by: BinM | January 10, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

For Arroyo, offer to 'eat' the salary, and give them 3-4 players in return from a pick list of about 15, comprised of 40-man rostered and orginization prospects.

Posted by: BinM | January 10, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Pick list for Arroyo - (40-man): Severino, Mock, Martin, Chico, Atilano, Bernadina, Harris [two maximum]; 'Prospects': Nieto, Marrero, Davis, Hood, Meyers, Smoker, Novoa, Philabaum.

Posted by: BinM | January 10, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

@BinM: I'm OK with all but Hood...need to ride that horse a few more miles before making a decision...I think Marrero will be a good "list" pick, as he seems to have more value to an AL team as a DH and would most likely be declined by Cincy...

Posted by: TimDz | January 10, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

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