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Adam Dunn contract extension talk at Nationals hot stove lunch

Friday afternoon the Nats hosted their second annual "Hot Stove" season ticket holders luncheon, where the menu included chicken marsala, cheesecake, and some news about budding contract talks with Adam Dunn. The first baseman (wearing a camo Texas Longhorns trucker hat) was actually among the players in attendance, but word of his contract talks only became public during the post-lunch Q&A, moderated by David Gregory. The panelists: team president Stan Kasten, GM Mike Rizzo, manager Jim Riggleman and third baseman Ryan Zimmerman.

At one point, Rizzo was asked by a fan in attendance if there was a timetable to extend Dunn's contract, because "we'd really like to see him retire as a National."

The crowd of several hundred applauded.

"It's something that we've discussed with Adam and his people," Rizzo said. "We had a little conversation this afternoon about it. ... Seriously, he's become one of the family. We love him here. He had a terrific season for us last year, he's one of the most consistent players in the league, and he's a guy that fits for us long-term."

After the luncheon, I asked Rizzo a few follow-up questions. Turns out, Friday afternoon marked the first day that parameters of a new deal were discussed.

"It's the first time we had a sit-down conversation," Rizzo said. "We'd like to get an extension done. There's no time parameter or anything, so I have no expectations. No timetables, no time limits."

Dunn's take on the matter?

"It's something I want to do."

Asked whether talks were still at stage 1, Dunn said, "I would say it's still at stage zero. It sounded a lot cooler up there than it really was. We're just getting everything going; kind of one of those deals."

But suffice to say, the Nats now see Dunn not just as their first baseman for 2010, but presumably for several years beyond that. It's almost strange to think that one calendar year ago, Dunn was still a wayward free agent and GM Jim Bowden was handling questions at a similar hot stove Q&A about the Nats' search for a middle-of-the-order bat. Now, Dunn is entering the final season of his two-year, $20 million contract. (He'll earn $12 million for 2010.)

A few other items of note from the Hot Stove discussion:

* Dunn said that free agent Orlando Hudson, a close friend of his, absolutely wants to come to Washington; in fact, Dunn made it seem like the Nats are Hudson's top choice. "From his point, this is where he wants to be; it's true," Dunn said.

So why the delay?

"It could be one of two things," Dunn said. "It's either money or length of time."

* Kasten faced a few questions about payroll, market size, etc. He indicated that the Nats -- once they're closer to the finishing stages of building up the team -- will have a lucrative enough market to be "right below the New Yorks and LAs." He added, "That's where I see us landing and probably remaining consistently."

* Riggleman alluded to the fact that SS Cristian Guzman was hobbled in 2009 by injuries more serious than anybody in the organization realized... at least until the end of the season. Though Riggleman did not refer to the specifics of the injuries, he made it clear that he's interested to see a healthy Guzman in spring training. And he'll be particularly interested to see if a healthy Guzman shows better range defensively. "I think we'll see a healthier Cristian Guzman in spring training," Riggleman said, "and that may allow him to continue playing shortstop."

* The Nats front office, according to Rizzo, conducted a mock draft two weeks ago as part of the first preparations for the 2010 amateur draft. Right now, he sees anywhere from 5-8 candidates for the first pick. "Bryce Harper has been mentioned," Rizzo said, "but there's certainly several other options. It's a very deep college pitching [cast] this season, so we certainly could go down that path."

* Unprompted, Zimmerman the Q&A with a classy thank you to the fans, expressing gratitude on behalf of the players that so many planned their schedules to attend. He promised that players had been working hard this offseason, and said, "We hate losing just as much as you guys hate watching us lose. Stick with us."

By Chico Harlan  |  January 29, 2010; 4:04 PM ET
 
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This event is really fun. I went last year and this year as well.

Adam Dunn is a very funny guy. I got to talk with Stan before the event....he clearly will never say publicly but he is finally happy with the FO trend. Got to talk with Rizzo briefly and he knows what this team needs still and O Hudson is it.

My impression from he knows that Hudson does not get done they are going to deeply regret it and that could undo all the progress he feels they have made.

Got there early and watched the office politics that Phil Wood referenced. Lots of kissing up to Lerner, Mark and his Sister by all to be seen.....lots of fake smiles dropped the second they were out of the conversation with Lerners.

All in all a fun few hours. Spring Training is even better for these types of things. I will be down twice this year. Riggs, Rizzo and Stan all know they need a lot more to be even "competitive".....a word Dunn "hates to hear"....he wants to "win it all because anything else is just losing". I think that will help this team this Spring....recall last year Dunn was at the WBC most of March.

Posted by: JayBeee | January 29, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Chico, geeze, if EVER there was a need for a follow up question. Kasten, "...indicated that the Nats -- once they're closer to the finishing stages of building up the team -- will have a lucrative enough market to be "right below the New Yorks and LAs." What they hey-balls does that mean? Are the Nats NOT lucrative? Are they NOT turning a profit??? What is the timetable for "building up the team?" Am I the only one confused?

Posted by: ABHFGTY | January 29, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

"It could be one of two things," Dunn said. "It's either money or length of time."

Very insightful Adam.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | January 29, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Dunn and Nats NOT talking extension...Ladson's a doofus.

Posted by: TimDz | January 29, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse
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Would you care to revise and extend your remarks before they get posted to the record, Congressman?

Posted by: nunof1 | January 29, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

""It could be one of two things," Dunn said. "It's either money or length of time."

Very insightful Adam."

They're not extending him for his insight.

Posted by: nunof1 | January 29, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

ABHFGTY,

I don't understand it either. That kind of talk by Kasten is the norm though.

Posted by: Section505203 | January 29, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Dunn and Nats NOT talking extension...Ladson's a doofus.

Posted by: TimDz | January 29, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse
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Would you care to revise and extend your remarks before they get posted to the record, Congressman?

Posted by: nunof1 | January 29, 2010 4:53 PM
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I will submit that the comment was made in haste...
I will further submit that my opinion about Ladson remains the same

Posted by: TimDz | January 29, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Even a doofus can get it right every now and then.

Posted by: nunof1 | January 29, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Even a doofus can get it right every now and then.

Posted by: nunof1

It all makes sense now.

Posted by: Brue | January 29, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Kasten talks about where the club lands, not about the fact that they've not yet taken off. Speaking of land, turns out that Dunn is in Florida checking out some swamp land that Stan is trying to sell him.

Hey luncheon fans, get excited because Dunn extension talks are all the way at level zero!, wonder where those will land.

Posted by: dfh21 | January 29, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

@JayBeee: Wow, that's the most upbeat post I've seen from you in a while. Stay positive dude; You're a much easier read this way than when 'the Dark Side" takes hold.
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Even though I've voiced a possible "mutual dis-interest" in the past, if Rizzo can get O.Hudson under contract, the Nationals v.2010 could actually look like a competitive squad.

Posted by: BinM | January 29, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Well after sitting with Dunn anyone would be positive. Hudson would make the line up and defense so much better than No Hudson. Morgan was there too and man did we miss him. Looking back at July....that was a fun month to watch baseball. They needed another starter and Rizzo knows it but he said second base is really the priority and it makes sense....Defense first....SS needs to be up before June unless they get another Starter soon.

Posted by: JayBeee | January 29, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Drayton Moore (KC) is reportedly 'open-minded' regarding trading Gil Meche (RH, $25M through 2011), or Brian Bannister (RH, $2.3M for 2010). Could Rizzo get one of them for say, a SP from the 40-man & 1-2 prospects?

Posted by: BinM | January 29, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I was there too. It was fun. Much more relaxed atmosphere and intelligent answers on the luncheon Q&A. Riggleman is a very candid guy. You shoulda heard his answer about managing Sosa in 98. Very honest and candid.

The question to Kasten was where he thought our market size ranked out of the other teams. Kasten switched his answer a little bit and said he thinks of it more in terms of *revenue* rather than market size. THAT'S what he meant when he said we'd be behind NY and CA.

Posted by: NatsNut | January 29, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

And, OMG, I was CRACKING up on Zimm's answer on what pitchers he hates to face. I'm starting to think his first years with the media (cliche after cliche after cliche) were on purpose. He's a sharp, witty kid.

Posted by: NatsNut | January 29, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Two low payroll teams there....who is going to pay the $25 Million. Rizzo is looking for a 28 year old type who is about to reach potential, no money in the budget for a SP making more than say 3 or 4 Million a year.

Posted by: JayBeee | January 29, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

@JayBeee: I wouldn't be in love with the deal, but Bannister for a combo from (Balester/Martis/Atilano; 40-man) or (W.Atwood[LHSP]/C.Alvarez[SS]!/F.Soriano[2B]).

Posted by: BinM | January 29, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

You do what you need to do to extend Dunn. Dunn and Zim are the only guys who can lead us to the promised land that are starting for us right now. Signing him is more important then signing another pitcher and sends a great message to the team.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | January 29, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Rizzo's answers about several players were revealing. Reading between the lines, it appears he definitely wants to keep Dukes, Desmond, the Attorney General, and the obvious stars. Not so much Guzman, and boy was it charitable of Riggleman to ascribe Guzman's lack of range to injuries. For the last 5 years? Although he did make the play of his life behind second base.

Anyway, was it just me, or did anyone else want to take a shower every time Stan gave an answer? For the second straight year he was mockingly dismissive of a fan's question. In general he just sounds like a transparently sleazy salesman.

One more thing: the more they talk about Strasberg, the longer a shot he seems to be. His knee, his psyche, etc. He will be a project. I hope at least they are patient with him. If he had Storen's head he would be fine.

Posted by: paulkp | January 29, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

CAMPEONES DE PUERTO RICO!!!

Indios de Mayaguez!

Posted by: boricuabopper | January 29, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Riggleman and Rizzo are solid guys. Not sure either is superlative at their role, we'll see, but Stan is just greasy. He thinks himself smarter than everyone, and he may well be, but he's always coming at you from an angle, his perspective rules not the context not the person asking the question. Given just how much he has twisted the facts to suit his agenda, he should show some humility.

I'd LOVE to have Gil Meche -- hard throwing lefty, supposed to be a great guy and they'd have him for 2011.

Posted by: dfh21 | January 30, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

If StanK was the President of the Yankees, I am sure he would be much different in his approach. Even with the Braves, they operated like a middle market team so much has been done from an agenda where you aren't going to ever get the biggest Free Agents and his system based on patience and of course trust in StanK and the "Plan".

I believe he fulfilled all of the 2009 pre-season promises and if the team won the 73 games they should have, all would have been well.

If they get Orlando Hudson, then 2010 pre-season will exceed all promises.

Until this team hits the revenue stream, I think StanK stays in his circle of secrecy too with that air of attitude.

Posted by: GoingGoingGone | January 30, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

BTW, I think it is great when a big name like Adam Dunn wants to stay in Washington. I think the Nats kind of handcuffed themselves in the 8 mill for 2009 and 12 mill for 2010.

Dont you think that the Dunn/Genske camp will want a contract extension at 12 mill per year at least?

Maybe they will take less , and hope they do as it will fill the 1st base void and see how Chris Marrero comes along.

Posted by: GoingGoingGone | January 30, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

@dfh21,

Shows what you know about baseball. Gil Meche is a right handed pitcher. You might want to check the records before you comment.

Posted by: natsguy | January 30, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

natsguy comes out of the woodwork to slam a person who puts a lot of time into the dicussion on the NJ. Go back into the woodwork from whence you came...dirtbag.

Posted by: Section505203 | January 30, 2010 1:19 AM | Report abuse

natsguy is a familiar poster who has also contributed a lot to NJ discussions, IMO. And such ad hominem attacks are beneath you, S505203.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | January 30, 2010 6:44 AM | Report abuse

Article in the NYTimes today about the MLB rookie camp held in Leesburg -
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/30/us/30rookie.html?hp
A couple of the teachers/presenters were quoted, but none of the draftees were named. Probably an agreement made to gain access - and I think legitimately. It would be unfair to the players to invite public scrutiny at the event.

Posted by: utec | January 30, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Anyway, was it just me, or did anyone else want to take a shower every time Stan gave an answer? For the second straight year he was mockingly dismissive of a fan's question. In general he just sounds like a transparently sleazy salesman.

Posted by: paulkp | January 29, 2010 10:45 PM
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*raising hand*

Posted by: NatsNut | January 30, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Hey, sports fans! I just checked the MLB Network site and see that they will be airing the Caribbean World Series games live again this year, starting on Tuesday. Yay, live baseball (BĂ©isbol) in February!

Looks like the first game airs live at 2:30 p.m. ET on Tuesday, with the second airing at 7:30 p.m. There are repeats at 1:30 a.m. and 12:30 p.m. After that, the games air at 3:30 and 7:30 p.m. daily, with the same reply schedule. Hope that they'll have Cookie Rojas in the booth again.

In other news, listening to a sales pitch doesn't ever make me want to take a bath. Not in the way that listening to, say, your basic politician does. :-) (Oh no, she didn't!)

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | January 30, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Substitute "replay" for "reply"? Signed, the proofreading elves.

Uh, yeah, go ahead and do that.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | January 30, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

"And such ad hominem attacks are beneath you, S505203."

No they're not.

Posted by: nunof1 | January 30, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I was the fan that asked the question. And from hearing Rizzo's reply and Dunn's reaction, I'm pretty sure this is going to happen. When I read Ladson's negative 'half reporting' out of context quotes after the event, which made the discussion sound so negative, I was dumbfounded. Thanks Chico for getting it right.

Posted by: raymitten | January 30, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

"Article in the NYTimes today about the MLB rookie camp held in Leesburg -
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/30/us/30rookie.html?hp"

Leesburg? Like Leesburg VIRGINIA? In the local area of the Washington Post, which is trying to reposition itself as the premier local paper in the world? Geez, you'd think they'd be all over a local story like this.

Oh, wait. Who's the Local Editor of the Post now? Emilio Garcia-Ruiz you say? Never mind.

Posted by: nunof1 | January 30, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Now that the subject has been broached in public, the Nationals FO needs to get an extension for Dunn worked out; He's a fan favorite, and certainly seems to like being here. A 2-3 year extension at $14.5M/yr, perhaps?

Regarding O. Hudson - I'd hope the two sides can get something equitable worked out; He reportedly earned $9M last year (most of it off incentives), which set his asking price for this year. Adding him would clearly settle the 'up the middle' defense & help the pitching staff. Maybe a 2-yr deal at $7.5M/yr+ gets it done?

Posted by: BinM | January 30, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Didn't get the chance to post yesterday after being at the lunch and then going to the Caps game last night but...., I was walking behind StanK for about a minute and the guy is an absolute jerk. Simple question from me to him; StanK why is the Caravan and FanFest being done under the cover of darkness? StanK turns around and looks at me and says, "last time I looked the sun was out"!

No Stan the point is, The Carvan and FanFest can't just be for STH's just because we pay the majority of the freight. If you take anything from Synder it ain't his ability to promote. Ya see they just don't get it.

On the lunch per-say, gotta love the fact that the players are right there and you can actually have a decent conversation. Q&A was interesting to say the least. Rizzo is "top shelf", but your always wondering what Uncle Ted and "Mini-Me" are doing in the background. Thats just my impression.

Remeber this, EGR is not your friend!

Posted by: TippyCanoe | January 30, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Hey Gang...snowing hard here on the Hill....and we're less than 3 weeks away from pitchers/catchers!
What caught my eye this morn was reading JayB on the recurrent WaPo stories on the front office(a response to Phil Wood...somewhere on the 'net!).And while I'm excited about the direction we seem to be headed in, it's stuff like this that lurks in my subconscious....AND the fact that we STILL need another arm, a middle infielder, there WERE plenty for the taking - and now?....Well, as much as I want to credit the slow Lerners with having seen the error of their penurious ways, and as much as I wanna credit The Rizz with BEING a WIZ.....sigh.....I've got these nagging questions that are eating at my optimism.Again, maybe there's a blockbuster in the works(Willingham for someone and then we sign Damon?) but after a nice start our latest triumph was coming close for Chapman? Not good enough-especially because I want to revise my 85/77 prediction UPward! Seattle was only half a game more wretched in the Stras sweeps and what are THEY looking at?
Wow...so much good stuff to catch up on in the baseball world (new tour at work-has my body confused) so apologies if I'm coming in to the conversation late.
As always, thanks to ALL of you for your insights, and.....
Go Nats!

Posted by: zendo | January 30, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I've got 3 extra tickets for FanFest tomorrow. They're free to the first person who e-mails me at njjag@verizon.net and is willing to come pick them up in Montclair, VA.

Posted by: ramgut | January 30, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Tickets have been claimed!

Posted by: ramgut | January 30, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if the weather has changed the schedule for the Winter Caravan? In particular, the White Flint event?

Posted by: twinbrook | January 30, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

"And such ad hominem attacks are beneath you, S505203."

No they're not.

Posted by: nunof1 | January 30, 2010 10:03 AM
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Whatever, ABM. Go make another moniker.

Posted by: Section505203 | January 30, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

And, OMG, I was CRACKING up on Zimm's answer on what pitchers he hates to face. I'm starting to think his first years with the media (cliche after cliche after cliche) were on purpose. He's a sharp, witty kid.

Posted by: NatsNut | January 29, 2010 7:21 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
That was really funny starting with Lincecum and Halladay and perferred Cliff Lee (LOL), and the exchange with the young lady about his diet and how "hot he was".

Dunn standing up when the crowd was clapping about a possible contract extension was great too!

Posted by: dmacman88 | January 30, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Rizzo has turned over just under a third of the 40 man roster from Opening day 2009. He has moved the team from one of the youngest to middle of the road in MLB. I think by this time next year he will have turned over another third and then we will start to see some consistency building to a more normal turnover rate.....any idea what that would be? 20% a year sound high but 8 players moved off the 40 man sounds about right to me. I do not really care much about the average age of a 40 man roster. I care about wins. Building the farm system and the 40 man or 25 man roster should really not be related.

Posted by: JayBeee | January 30, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Want to see a Nats win. This friday night espn classic will air the Nats at the Giants game from 07. Guess which one, thats right, the Bonds juiced record breaker game.

Posted by: cokedispatch | January 30, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of the Giants, MLB Network was airing the Sanchez no-no yesterday, but I hadn't realized it. Turned it on in the bottom of the 9th and figured out that's what it was pretty quickly. Would have been interested to see it all but oh well.

He started the game we attended in a trip to SFO earlier in the year (vs. the Braves, oddly enough). Needless to say, he wasn't quite as effective that day, though SFO did get the win in the end.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | January 30, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

@JayBeee: I think I'm with you here; Between Rizzo making deals, and player performance in Viera, the roster could easily 'flip' another 3-6 players before the 25-man is set for 2010, imo; That would be an over 40% turnover from the OD 2009 25-man roster.
I could possibly see another 8-10 players (20-25%) moved off the 40-man over the next 12 months, as well. That would amount to a near 75% turnover in two years, but could produce a truly competetive team here.

Posted by: BinM | January 30, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you.....I see the Alberto Gonzonlez, Guzman, Neives types moved by Sept 1

Posted by: JayBeee | January 30, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

dunn should be extended because with a reasonable contract he would be a great future trading chip to an american league team seeking a power-hitting DH who could bring back some good prospects in return. AL teams that may be looking for a full-time DH in the near future could include the angelO's, the sawx after papi, the chisox, the tigers, the angels, thuh yankees win, the mariners, and the rangers. dunnkey won't be a trading drag like a certain fat, range less SS who makes $8 million annually. the last of the bad bowden bargains.

Posted by: surly_w | January 30, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Just got back from the caravan event at white flint. I drove out in the terrible conditions and waited 2+ hours in line, and Ryan Zimmerman can't sign an autograph for my 10 year old son, who is a huge Nats fan? Anyone know what's up with that? I just lost a ton of respect for Zim if he doesn't sign for the fans that pay his contract, or especially for little kids who look up to him.

Posted by: dcsportsfan13 | January 30, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

I was at White Flint as well. They were almost an hour and a half late due to the road conditions. I heard going in that Zimmerman and Willingham didn't do autographs, but it wasn't from the Nationals. They did pose with the fans for pictures, which frankly was just as good for my boys. They were very excited to have their pictures made with Zim and Hammer.
I said "Hey Tony" to Nyjer, and he signed my ball T. Plush along with his own name.

I agree that the Nationals need to do a little better in expectation setting. I also don't know how long they stayed. We were told over and over that they would only stay until 7:00, even though they were almost an hour and a half late. We got there around 4:00 and we were some of the first in line. All in all it was a great event and the boys left very excited and happy.

Posted by: twinbrook | January 30, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I thought it was generally known by this time that Zim has a contract with a memorabilia company that prohibits him from signing at events like this.

Most people don't love that contract, but it's nothing new. He hasn't signed at one of these fan-fest things in 2-3 years.

Posted by: shepdave2003 | January 30, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

I knew something about the contract, but I'm sure if Zim told Topps or whatever the company is that he would only sign a contract with them if it allowed him to sign for fans, they would still offer him a contract. If it means the contract is worth a bit less money, so what? Zim does pretty well anyway. Cal Ripken made sure to sign for fans whenever he could, and I'm sure he had a memorabilia contract as well. It is ridiculous and if Zim was truly a nice person he would do something about it.

Posted by: dcsportsfan13 | January 30, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey, StanK: When your hot air is done helping the District DOT melt this winter snow, can you take five minutes, do your day job and get this long-term deal DUNN!

Posted by: Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me | January 30, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

saw on mlbtraderumors that orlando cabrera signed a 4m one year deal with the reds. I think that puts the price for Hudson at 6-7m at least. Is Hudson really worth 7m a year?

Posted by: wrw0601 | January 31, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

natsguy: Just saw your rebuke for me getting Meche's pitching arm wrong - -sorry for the screwup, I am waiting for revenues to ctach up before putting any real effort into fact checking. You understand.

Posted by: dfh21 | January 31, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Is Hudson really worth 7m a year?

Posted by: wrw0601 | January 31, 2010 8:47 AM
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In the Nats situation, Yes. The Nats need proven players of ML caliber. Hudson fits that description.

Posted by: Section505203 | January 31, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

@sec505203,

I have been a "dirtbag" in the "woodwork" for the past 5 months. I have been trying to survive colon cancer and am just really glad to be alive and hoping to see one more baseball season. I have been a baseball fan and player for the past 50 years and don't appreciate being called a "dirtbag". I wish you well.

As for my comments to DFH21, I just get really irritated when someone gives out the "Lerners are cheap" and Rizzo doesn't know what he is doing comments and doesn't even know that Gil Meche is not a left handed pitcher. Seattle was more than happy to let Kansas City sign Meche to one of the worst contracts in baseball, lets not acquire that contract.

If you going to be negative on this site at least have your facts stated correctly.

Mike Rizzo is doing a pretty good job, let him try and and accomplish getting a winner to Washington. The Lerners have learned their lessons. The money we are urging them to spend so readily is theirs not ours. If we do not like it we can just stop watching the Nats on TV or going to the games. I myself intend to keep attending as long as my health will allow.

GO NATS!!

Posted by: natsguy | January 31, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Is Hudson really worth 7m a year?

Posted by: wrw0601 | January 31, 2010 8:47 AM
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In the Nats situation, Yes. The Nats need proven players of ML caliber. Hudson fits that description.
Posted by: Section505203 | January 31, 2010 10:33 AM

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I think Hudson goes a bit beyond "a proven player of ML caliber". He'd solidify the MI defense (692TC, 4.84RF/9, .988F%), contributes a steady bat (.283/.357/.417 'slash' line), and is reportedly an upbeat personality both on and off the field. I think the Nationals are trying to either go low or short with their initial offer (as Dunn guessed), but he'd be worth a two-year, $15M deal in my mind.

Posted by: BinM | January 31, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"he'd be worth a two-year, $15M deal in my mind."
Posted by: BinM | January 31, 2010 11:45 AM |

which really means for the nationals he would cost two year - $18m or three year - $30m. It seems the Nats always have to pay 2-4 mill more per year to bring FA to washington.

Posted by: wrw0601 | January 31, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

That's true, wrw0601, we do have to overpay - think of it as dollars being spent to make up for the dollars we didn't spend years ago. For us to get out of that cycle - overpaying - we have to sign a couple of guys at higher prices to make us better and make this a destination that players want to come to, or at least one they don't want to.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | January 31, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Hudson has one less place to go to start. The dollars are not fair or proportional based on expected performance. I'd love Hudson to come here but seeing Desmond start every day wouldn't break my heart, either.

Nats are actually in a strong position to hold firm. No need to overpay to convince him to come here. I want him to want to be here. That's improvement. He might even be happy to get the same contract as Cabrera. Our team would be better with him, but, all in all, he could sit out the year for all I care.

Posted by: longterm | January 31, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

@Natsguy, Cancer survivor here. Best of all things dude!

My intuition, which seems to have served somewhat in the past with this team thinks that Rizzo has something up his sleeve. He's working on something ... he feels like a guy who is patient and waits for the perfect time ... we'll see if that is true ...

On Kasten: actually I think that's perfect! The perfect foil for Rizzo who likes to keep his maneuvering as far out of the limelight as he can. With Kasten doing his silly dances and making people look at him perhaps they will be less inclined to look at the less conspicuous guy behind the curtain?

Posted by: periculum | January 31, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

@wrw0601: A two-year deal - great; A two-yr with a club option, ok; A three-yr deal, no thanks.
The Nationals need a quality 2B for 2010-2011. By late 2011, I'd hope that some of the draft choices (Espinosa, Lombardozzi, Kobernus) would start paying off.

Posted by: BinM | January 31, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

"The Nationals need a quality 2B for 2010-2011. By late 2011, I'd hope that some of the draft choices (Espinosa, Lombardozzi, Kobernus) would start paying off."

@BinM, wondering if your earlier take that Desmond could end up in the outfield might be what Rizzo is considering? Lombardozzi is a switch hitter like Guzman. Rizzo does seem focused on getting left handed bats ... just after his penchant for seeking out left handed pitching ... Is Espinosa almost ready? Kobernus has yet to be seen.

So, I guess going for Hudson and keeping Guzman makes sense ... but shouldn't they have kept Belliard then? Will Garate help them? (Left handed pitching again.)

Posted by: periculum | January 31, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

@peri: So many questions... here's my two-cents worth on each.
I still like the thought of Desmond in the OF; No clue to what Rizzo & Riggleman might be considering, but if he hits in Viera, he'll force himself onto the 25-man roster somewhere.
I personally think Espinosa needs at least another full year in the minors; Let's see what he can do in HAR first. Kobernus projects to POT in 2010, if healthy, with Lombardozzi in HAR with Espinosa.

Belliard got shipped to a contender for 'inventory' (Garate); I'd hope the team does the same with Harris & Guzman this year.

Posted by: BinM | January 31, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

i would be giddy if the nats signed hudson to 2yr 16m deal with a 3rd year option at 9 mil or a 1mil buyout. That makes him happy, improves our defense, and if he lives up to the hype then he becomes tradable. after watching some p-nats game last year i would drool over an infield in 2011-2012 of 3b-zimmerman, ss-desmond, 2b-espinosa, 1b-marrero, c-flores/harper

Posted by: wrw0601 | January 31, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, doncha just hate entitled, judgemental people like Zimm?

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if Zim was truly a nice person he would do something about it.
Posted by: dcsportsfan13 | January 30, 2010 10:21 PM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | January 31, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Natsguy, clad to see you out of the "woodwork." I hope to not share your optimism for years to come. Go Natsguy!

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | January 31, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

This team is still a long way from respectability, but at least now you can see it from here. I think they realize they've lost the fanbase, and are in danger of losing the locker room if they don't shape up, so I expect they'll sign Hudson or acquire someone else. We'll see.

Do, or do not. There is no "try."

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | January 31, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Do, or do not. There is no "try."
Posted by: Sec3mysofa | January 31, 2010 2:25 PM
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'What - Are you trying? There is no trying in baseball'.

sec3: You might just have hit on what the team truly needs - Yoda as an infield coach (dude was way too small to have been an outfielder).

Posted by: BinM | January 31, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

natsguy,

In hindsight perhaps "dirtbag" was a little strong, my apologies for taking a Wilt Chamberlin like step over the line.

I think we would all be better off if we just let ABM/nunof1/JennEric1/etc./etc. be the voice of arrogance in here and the rest of us just try and get along.

Once again, my sincere apologies to you and the best of luck in your fight against cancer.

Posted by: Section505203 | January 31, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"I think we would all be better off if we just let ABM/nunof1/JennEric1/etc./etc. be the voice of arrogance in here and the rest of us just try and get along."

I rest my case. This dude can't even make an apology without including an ad hominem attack.

Posted by: nunof1 | January 31, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

ABM,

Ok you slammed me as nunof1. Now go sign in as JennEric1 and slam me. Then when your done with that. Sign in as DCCapsfan, then SpamCastin and so on and so on.

The jig has been up for a while, you ain't foolin' anyone.

Posted by: Section505203 | January 31, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Take care, Natsguy. I'll be rooting for your good health.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | January 31, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Natsguy: Such profound irritation is just unwarranted. In an off hand response to someone throwing a guy's name out there a a trade target I say sounds good and mess-up -- mea culpa, mea clupa. You and your NJ fact check police badge are all over me like Jackie Gleason's Smokey on Burt Reynold's Banditt. As if I was spewing some long rant of lies, fabrications and half truths like a Congressman or something. Relax.

Posted by: dfh21 | February 1, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

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