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Game 16 discussion thread: Nationals vs. Rockies

As noted earlier, today's pitching matchup brings an incredibly rare event. Ubaldo Jimenez vs. Livan Hernandez will be only the second time in the last 90 years a pitcher coming off a no-hitter faces a starter coming off a shutout.

The other time in happened came May 17, 1996. Al Leiter of the Marlins had thrown a no-hitter, and Jim Bullinger of the Cubs had shut out the Mets. The manager of the Cubs that day? Jim Riggleman. Bullinger out-dueled Leiter and the Cubs won, 3-1.

As always, discuss the game right here.

4:40: Hernandez struck out Carlos Gonzalez, coming off a four-hit night, to start the game. A thought: Hernandez, a pitcher who relies on giving hitters different looks and constantly making them guess, could absolutely thrive today with the mid-afternoon shadows criss-crossing the infield. Remember, Hernandez's first 16 scoreless innings came in day games.

4:56: It's scoreless after one inning. Willie Harris doubled in his first ever at-bat as a starting 3-hitter. He's now 5 for 7 with two doubles, a triple and a walk against Ubaldo Jimenez. Adam Dunn struck out to end the inning.

By Adam Kilgore  |  April 22, 2010; 4:30 PM ET
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Ouch! Brewers beat the Pirates 20-0 this afternoon. Hanrahan gave up 6 ER in 1 inning. So happy to have Capps!

Posted by: slewis1 | April 22, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"Al Leiter of the Marlins had thrown a no-hitter, and Jim Bullinger of the Cubs had shut out the Mets. The manager of the Cubs that day? Jim Riggleman."

OKay, if that ain't Karma, what is??? :-)

Posted by: Juan-John1 | April 22, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Great first inning by Hernandez--just too bad he lost the perfect game.

Posted by: Etch | April 22, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

this has to be one of the worst lineups i've ever seen

Posted by: nami322 | April 22, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Harris has Jimenez's number. Looks like Riggleman knows what he's doing.

Posted by: js_edit | April 22, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Time to DFA Hernandez--he gave up a run.

Posted by: slewis1 | April 22, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Hernandez is pitching another great game. Sure would be nice to scratch out a couple runs for him.

Posted by: slewis1 | April 22, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

And that's why Kennedy was a good signing.

Posted by: BinM | April 22, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Jimenez throws 97 like you and I playing catch in the backyard with our nephews. What a freak - and a joy to watch. I don't care if we lose, in this weather with an intriguing pitching match-up... perfect day to be in the Park.

Posted by: Kev29 | April 22, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Well............... this reminds me of one those matchups from back in the day(Koufax vs.Marichal or Guidry vs.Palmer) Jiminez is something special had the Braves hacking away to no avail last saturday,Dunn is horrible right now i mean he is almost an automatic out,i posted the other day that Riggleman should drop him in the lineup(7th) take the pressure off of him Livo has been more than we could ask so far this season it ain't over yet.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 22, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Sucks to spoil such a great SP performance

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | April 22, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Dunn will warm up, then we need to trade him. Love the guy, but he won't help us become a winner (like Zimm).

Posted by: Kev29 | April 22, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Well that Jiminez is one terrific pitcher. BTW, what was Johnny Holiday smoking when he made the postgame comment about the "good crowd" streaming out of the stadium? Beautiful afternoon and less than 15K in the stands.

Posted by: bendersx6 | April 22, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't at the park, but I have to agree with Kev - that was a well-pitched ballgame.

Posted by: BinM | April 22, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Kev29: You might be right about Dunn, in terms of trading him, to me his value might be in the AL where he can dh and play some first,4-3 so far this homestand i'll take it. The Dodgers won't be easy they lead mlb in almost every offensive category and they have good pitching to boot, and who is this kid they're bringing in to start friday's series opener? he's probably saying to himself yeah thank's a lot.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 22, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

bender: For a mid-week afternoon game in April, 15.5k isn't a bad crowd. The Dodgers should draw 22-25k per game over the weekend.

It will be interesting to see what Atilano can do tomorrow afternoon.

Posted by: BinM | April 22, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

There really isn't anyone to replace Dunn in the system. Texiera didn't sign so ...

Do you go with Morse/Mench/Duncan at first if you trade Dunn? Seems unlikely until later in the year ... after the draft some really careful evaluation of Harper's hitting maturity if they draft him.

Their best hitters right now are mostly outfielders like Bernadina, Mench, Hood, and second baseman Kobernus. None have Dunn like power as yet.

Posted by: periculum | April 22, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Dunn will come out of his funk. Even though he will not say it, I think the whole contract thing is weighing heavily on him and is causing him to try to hard. I think he will be on the trading block before the end of the season and that is why the Nats have no intention on singing him to a contract at this point.

Posted by: Tom8 | April 22, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

but signing him to a contract improves his trade value (as long as it's a reasonable deal). That way the team that gets him knows he won't walk at the end of the year.

Anyway Dunn hasn't suddenly lost it. The guy will put up his usual numbers. This just means he'll carry the Nats for a few weeks when he gets hot.

Posted by: db423 | April 22, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Trading Dunn is the "Worldwide Leader" obsession; some of you may need to vary your reading habits. If Dunn is still having trouble hitting by mid-May, he's got minimal value to anyone, in terms of a trade.

In terms of 1B support in the system, there is Morse (15-DL, WSH), Whitesell or Duncan (SYR), Marrero or Rhinehart (HAR). Looking at anything lower than that is silly at this point, and the MiLB players all have flaws as well.

If/when Morse gets healthy, he can spell Dunn at 1B, RZim at 3B, & grab a few innings in either LF or RF as well. The team saddled up Dunn for 2010; we may as well ride him.

Posted by: BinM | April 22, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

sat five rows behind the Nats' dugout. Well pitched game indeed, on both sides. Livo got hurt on one pitch up all day--the second home run was at the knees, but down the middle. Good D on both sides. Once again, the strike zone seemed ... a little conservative, shall we say. Tulowitzski in particular took exception to a called third strike.
Dunn looked completely lost at the plate--literally talking to himself and shaking his head, and fouling off pitches he should probably square up.
Jimenez hit 100 on the scoreboard a couple of times, and was regularly dropping 88mph breaking stuff on the 1st-base side black.
The "great crowd" seemed to be a lot of young couples with toddlers, or 20-somethings showing up in the 3rd inning. To be fair, there wasn't much happening to get the crowd into it.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | April 22, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

and oh yeah, the weather was brilliant. threat of drizzle around the fifth or sixth inning, for about 45 seconds. Otherwise perfect.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | April 22, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Couldn't tell from where we were sitting, and they don't replay these on the big screen, so if anyone was watching on TV when Morgan was called out caught stealing at second--did he actually get in under the tag? It looked from behind the dugout that he might have.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | April 22, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Sec3mysofa, on tv it looked at first to me like he got in under the tag, but from a different angle it was pretty clear that he didn't. Also, Nyjer appeared to be grinning at their catcher in a sort of "yup, you got me" way that I don't think he would have done if he believed he was safe. The throw was dead on to get our Nyjer with that kind of a jump....

Posted by: dryw1 | April 22, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Sec3mysofa: I watched the replay(tivo) and appeared that Nyjer beat the tag i thought the ump was out of position on the call. I can't believe Dunn would be worried about his contract hell what did he make last year honestly the last thing i want to hear is some millionaire 1st baseman hitting near the Mendoza line complaining about making more millions while people are losing their homes and living from paycheck to paycheck. PLEASE!!!!!.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 22, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

thanks both for the replay feedback (even if it was a split).

As for Dunn hitting at the Mendoza line: if ONLY. He'd have to go 3 for 4 tomorrow to even get there.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | April 22, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

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