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Game 8 discussion thread: Nationals at Phillies

Before the game today, some of the Nationals were watching the Red Sox-Twins game. Victor Martinez singled to right field, and Michael Cuddyer tried to throw out Martinez at first, forcing him to slide in just safe for what seemed to be a routine single.

Adam Dunn leaned forward in his chair and said, "If someone does that to me, I'm charging right field."

So, Greg Dobbs, you've been warned.

Like always, this is your space to discuss tonight's game. Craig Stammen versus Kyle Kendrick, Stammen trying to become the second Nats starter to record an out in the sixth inning.

7:22: The Nationals scored first for the seventh time in eight games when Adam Kennedy knocked his first big hit as a National. With the bases loaded, Kennedy smoked a two-out, 1-2 pitch from Kyle Kendrick into the right-center field gap. Cristian Guzman (infield single), Adam Dunn (walk) and Josh Willingham (walk) all had reached with two outs, and they all scored. 3-0, Nats.

7:42: The Nationals gave those right back and then some, and they trail 4-3. Miguel Batista was warming up before Stammen even recorded an out, but the inning, in my estimation, was not a complete Stammen meltdown by any means. Shane Victorino reached when Stammen knocked down a comebacker that, if he he fields cleanly, is an easy out. Placido Polanco ripped a single to center; that one's on Stammen. Polacno, by the way, is 10 for 19 against the Nats this year. Chae Utley walked after falling behind 0-2, definitely on Stammen. Ryan Howard rolled a grounder through the middle that likley would've been a double play if Adam Kennedy hadn't been playing so far toward first. Greg Dobbs hit a hard grounder down the first base line, which went under Adam Dunn's glove and was called a double. So right there, Stammen had two chances for double plays and got zero outs out of it. But anyway, the damage was done.

7:59: If Kyle Kendrick pitched every day for the Phillies, the Nationals would beat them a heck of a lot more often. He is out of the game with two outs in the second. The Nationals have re-taken their a three-run lead. Guzman hit a two-RBI single and Willingham cracked an RBI double. New pitcher: Nelson Figueroa.

By Adam Kilgore  |  April 14, 2010; 7:00 PM ET
 
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Comments

Hey way to go Kennedy!!

Guzman's hustle kept the inning alive. That was big time. Keep making Kendrick throw strikes.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | April 14, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

its good that the nats have consistently been scoring early...they just need to carry it over into later innings

Posted by: nami322 | April 14, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Excellent oppourtunity for a win Stammen needs to throw strikes and the Nat's need to play smart.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 14, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

c'mon Stammen. You can keep them at bay!

Posted by: Sofie230 | April 14, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

apparently stammen doesnt realize he has a 3 run lead

Posted by: nami322 | April 14, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

They had a lotta leads early in games last year only to blow it later, didn't they? Not trying to rain on anyone's parade (Kennedy rocks! Kennedy for Prez!), just keeping my mental defenses up until the last out in the 9th is recorded.

Posted by: Juan-John1 | April 14, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

0-2 to Utley (admittedly a great hitter) and Stammen never gave himself a chance to get the guy out. His stuff is only average, he's got to have control and throw strikes or he's doomed.

Posted by: baltova1 | April 14, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

I should probably amend that. Stammen has to hit his spots, not just throw strikes. He's hung pitches to Polanco and Dobbs.

Posted by: baltova1 | April 14, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Kendrick: anything you can do, we can do worse. We will lose this game, so don't you try and give it to us.

Posted by: Offense-offensive | April 14, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

And this is exactly why Dunn's overall value is not nearly as high as we'd like to think. His glove is going to cost the team at least a couple of wins, probably more, and most people will only remember the 30+ homers...

Posted by: amo36 | April 14, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

What a joke. Get rid of Stammen already.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | April 14, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

amo-

take Dunn out of today's lineup. what is there?

Posted by: nami322 | April 14, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

" amo-

take Dunn out of today's lineup. what is there?"

The snarky answer is one less walk for the Nats offense.

Dunn has been looking decent until this game at first base. Now the horrors are back. I thought for sure Howard's grounder was a double play ball and I was shocked when I heard it went through the hole at second.

Posted by: driley | April 14, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Wow. We are locked in against this guy right now.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | April 14, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Take Stammen out? what do you think can the bullpen hold em because you know we're going to see Werth as a ph.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 14, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

lol driley i'll give u the snarky answer. i do wish he would be a little more aggressive. but sheesh. stammen cant even get the RELIEF pitcher out.

Posted by: nami322 | April 14, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

This is going to be a long, long game.

Posted by: Sofie230 | April 14, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Long long game ahead of us.

Posted by: Sofie230 | April 14, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

they need to do stammen just like they did mock. get him out of here. keep olsen up and find somebody else.

Posted by: nami322 | April 14, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

So pathetic and so typical of the nationals pitchers.

Posted by: amorris525 | April 14, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

nami,
I don't disagree, and I love Dunn offensively, especially his patience. But the combination of a relatively young pitching staff that relies on sinkers and doesn't strike out anybody and Dunn's "range" and overall performance at first is just awful to watch.
It really is no wonder some of the young pitchers feel like they have to do stuff they aren't able to in order to get hitters out.

Posted by: amo36 | April 14, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Forget 6 innings you couldnt even get us 2? Christ.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | April 14, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I don't think this game is going to make this list: http://baseballguru.com/attiyeh/analysismikeattiyeh04.html

Posted by: SorenKierkegaard | April 14, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Road Trip Anyone? Ok, i've got a full tank of gas, it's only the 2nd inning, it's dark out and i'm wearing sunglasses. I can pick pick up strasburg and arrive in Philly aka the jersey shore set and drop him off in time to save this game. Storen is more than welcome as well.

C'mon Statttttastamen! Que mohon!

Posted by: boricuabopper | April 14, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

amo-
I agree with you that his defense is suspect and doesnt help out the pitching staff. I just think that the nats would be much worse off without his bat even with the defensive issues. I think the main problem with our young pitchers is that they arent that good. stammen, mock...they don't have it.

Posted by: nami322 | April 14, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Things I have never seen in watching baseball for 40+ years:

THE OTHER TEAM'S RELIEF PITCHER IS 2-2 AT THE PLATE.

IN THE THIRD INNING.

Posted by: baltova1 | April 14, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Hey, a 1-2-3 inning.

Here we go Nats! Take over!!!

Posted by: usmc53 | April 14, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Can't anyone here play this game?

Posted by: upperdeck4 | April 14, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Big props to English

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | April 14, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Yeah it's too bad they pulled him. He had it rolling.

Posted by: usmc53 | April 14, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

That was Strike 3.

Posted by: usmc53 | April 14, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Two-run homer, all b/c the ump gave the leadoff man a walk on what should have been a called third strike. BS.

Posted by: usmc53 | April 14, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Bergmann is garbage - does Riggs actually feel comfortable putting him in the game? I liked Dibble's comment: "well, Bergmann has the stuff to at least power through the bottom of their order." Confidence.

Posted by: laxbigj | April 14, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

CBP home run but we've got to keep the ball in the park.

Posted by: upperdeck4 | April 14, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Picked off. Arrgh.

Posted by: upperdeck4 | April 14, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Dibble's comment: "well, Bergmann has the stuff to at least power through the bottom of their order" is delusional, and typical of both parties. Dibble is blind and Bergie is toast. I gotta believe he'll be shipped out tomorrow to SYR when Olsen is called up. i know Victorino's homer was just a 350-footer, but I;ve watched Bergie throw too many 410-foot pitches. Right now, I doubt he's an effective AAA pitcher either.

Posted by: Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me | April 14, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Sweet bullpen.

Posted by: usmc53 | April 14, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

On Victorino's AB, he swung through a gopher ball on one pitch; Bergmann obligingly gave him the same pitch again and this time he didn't miss.

Posted by: CapPeterson1 | April 14, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

2 for Utley. Sheeeet.

Posted by: upperdeck4 | April 14, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

With the exception of a couple of pitchers this staff is complete and utter bull sh#t you get seven runs and this jackazz of a staff turns right around and gives it right back and i've said it before but i'm not a big McCatty fan,Randy St.Claire took the fall for Acta before he was shown the door but imo McCatty hasn't done any better.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 14, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Looks like it's not to soon to start thinking about the 1st overall pick in 2011.

Posted by: RireGrist | April 14, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

What is wrong with Stammen...this is one of the sorriest performances I have seen by a Nats pitcher...belt high and just below the pitches are not going to do it against a power team like Philly...he didn't last 2 innings...he needs to go...NOW

Posted by: pentagon40 | April 14, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Bruney is done.
That was fugly.

Posted by: usmc53 | April 14, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Why the F is Riggleman just now bringing in Clippard! He was lights last outing and has not pitched for 3 days!!

Posted by: sec218 | April 14, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Too much Rob Dibble for one night. I need shorter games.

Posted by: nervousnatsfan | April 14, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Can't anybody here play this game?

Posted by: SilverSpring8 | April 14, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Hard to believe only ONE guy from this bullpen is going to be sent down to the minors after tonight's game.

I think a couple of others should volunteer to leave, just out of professional pride...

Posted by: baltova1 | April 14, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Clippard didn't have enough time to warm up. That's one on Riggleman.

What a horrible game. Bruney was awful, Burnett not much better.

Dunn is going to cost a lot of runs in the field, so I hope he starts hitting, as I assume he will, but still I miss NJ.

Posted by: nats24 | April 14, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I agree baltova. The hard decision is which of the many pitchers we can let go to activate Olsen.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | April 14, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

By my count, pitchers are batting 7 for 17 against the Nats so far this year, a robust .412.

Posted by: Sunderland | April 14, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Send down Bergmann tomorrow. Pick your other garbage reliever of choice, and call up Storen.

Totally crazy.

... also, can the Nats not score runs after the third inning?

Posted by: CapitolWill | April 14, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

It's just one loss. Tomorrow is another day. Scottie Olsen will be pumped; I'll bet he pitches well and gives us a chance. We took the series finale after two ugly losses against the Phils earlier this year; we can do it again.

Posted by: usmc53 | April 14, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Just looked at the box score...

Jebus....

Those aren't ERA's...they're stock exchange quotes.

Posted by: TimDz | April 14, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

sunderland, that stat is unbelievable. Truly unbelievable.

Thanks for the pep talk, usmc53. Spoken like a true Marine. Send some of that gung ho attitude up I-95 in time for tomorrow's game.

Posted by: baltova1 | April 14, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Nats are toast. The Phillies, without two starters and their worst pitcher, win 14-7. Good luck, tomorrow.

Posted by: mnjam | April 14, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Well on th bright side, I went to Bowie tonight and the Senators staff looked good. 5 nice innings from Aaron Thompson and Storen is just nasty. That guy is not long for the minors - especially with our bullpen.

Posted by: Kev29 | April 14, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

It appears Manny has turned over a new leaf. Mr. Softie is aruging these days:
¶ A fan touched the ball in foul territory down the right-field line, preventing Luis Valbuena from scoring on the play. Umpire Jim Wolf made the call and Acta argued with the crew for several minutes. Then Nippert got Asdrubal Cabrera on a groundout to end the inning.
¶ "With two outs and the first baseman not holding the runner, he's going to score easy," Acta said. "The umpire said he saw it differently."

Well played, Manny.

Still going to lose 100...

Posted by: Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me | April 15, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

>What is wrong with Stammen...this is one of the sorriest performances I have seen by a Nats pitcher...belt high and just below the pitches are not going to do it against a power team like Philly...he didn't last 2 innings...he needs to go...NOW

Posted by: pentagon40

Figured it was only a matter of time with him - his whole deal is to get the hitter to swing at his curveball and sinker, which are almost always out of the strike zone, they're just supposed to look like a strike. So, if you're a hitter, you lay off the sinker, because you know it's generally not a strike - the way you lay off a sinker is that if it starts belt high (and you pick up the spin), it will usually be low and out of the strike zone. If you see a fastball (the spin again) belt-high, you jump all over it. He doesn't throw his fastball hard enough to get away with mistakes, so he gets hammered. This is basic stuff when you're dealing with a bunch of guys who aren't power pitchers -- THEY WANT YOU TO SWING AT BALLS, NOT STRIKES. Same thing with Lannan - he's got no balls and everyone's figured it out - make him throw strikes. The umps aren't going to turn him into Tom Glavine because he doesn't have that kind of command - Glavine could move the ball out inch by inch and take the ump with him, Lannan can't do that. Him and his 100 pitch, 5 inning dramas. Same thing with Olsen, if they make him throw strikes (elevate it), he'll get killed too. The Nats knew all this, they just didn't care. Or, I'd like to at least think they knew all this.

Posted by: Brue | April 15, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

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