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Game 25 discussion thread: Nationals at Marlins

Few teams, if any, contributed more to the Nationals 205-loss misery over the past two years than the Florida Marlins. The Nationals went 9-26 against them in 2008 and 2009, and some of those 26 losses were among the most brutal they suffered. So, in a season already rife with fundamental change -- really bad to pretty good -- the Nationals have started supressing their stigma with the Marlins. They won the first game they played in South Florida, and today they can win the series.

"You play in the division so much in today's baseball," Manager Jim Riggleman said. "You certainly have got to have a feeling you can beat them. And the only way you're going to get that is to beat them.

"I think those days are behind us where we play the Marlins and we just go, 'OK, they're gonna beat us.' Nobody feels that way anymore. We feel like we're going to be in the ballgame every time out."

Today, John Lannan's start against Josh Johnson will be a primary determinant. Talk about the game right here.

By Adam Kilgore  |  May 2, 2010; 12:55 PM ET
 
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Nats had a great comeback win against Johnson and the fish last season, down 4-0 in the 7th. The knocked him out and feasted on the 'pen. As I recall, Dunn had a big HR.

Lets do it again!

Posted by: nats24 | May 2, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else with DirecTV not getting the game on MASN2 or any other channel, or is it just me?

I'm on the phone with DirecTV and they think the game is only airing on Fox Sports South.

Posted by: SilverSpring8 | May 2, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Also on Direct TV. "Channel not purchased". Bogus. Also on the phone with them. Not much use. They are escalating.

Posted by: Sunderland | May 2, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Found it on 729, MLB network, even though I do not subscribe to MLB network.

Posted by: Sunderland | May 2, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday MASN2 was showing a Big 12 baseball game on DirecTV. Today it's an Astros game. Seems like it should be Little League, since that's more appropriate for this obviously little league operation.

Posted by: rbelleisle | May 2, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT LAST NIGHT'S GAME.

Does anyone know why last night's game drew over 35,000 fans. The Marlins usually have very poor attendance. Was there a big giveaway at the game last night?

Posted by: potomacgator | May 2, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

@Sunderland

You rock!

Posted by: SilverSpring8 | May 2, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I am on DirecTV and have the game on MASN2, channel 641 (-1 with HD). It was on MASN2 the past 2 nights for me.

Re: attendance for last night's game, wasn't it the "Bring your dog to the park" promotion, or was that Friday night?

Anyone else think that whenever Stammen or Lannan is pitching, the Nats must have Desmond at SS? Stammen is a ground ball pitcher and needs the backup he can get, and that doesn't mean Guzman at SS.

Posted by: mo_dc | May 2, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Saw half an inning, fortunately, it was the half inning where we plated two.
Now the feed is gone on 729.
And the message says don't bother to call Direct TV.

I'm lost....

Posted by: Sunderland | May 2, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Hi, folks.
Was the attendance really 35K? including the pups? I tot I taw a lot of empty seats.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | May 2, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

>Anyone else think that whenever Stammen or Lannan is pitching, the Nats must have Desmond at SS? Stammen is a ground ball pitcher and needs the backup he can get, and that doesn't mean Guzman at SS.

Posted by: mo_dc

Everybody needs a night off. Long season. You won't have your favorite lineup in there every night. That's why you need deep depth (E. Weaver). Stammen was getting the ball up and getting hammered anyway. If you can't make it out of the 4th, you got nobody to blame but yourself.
Friggin Johnny Boy throwing his 88 right down the middle now. The ump made him throw it over, and he ends up in the middle of the plate. 2-1

Posted by: Brue | May 2, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Johnny Boy gettin the ball up I don't like it!!!!!!!!!!! 4-2 Hanley special!!!!!!!

Posted by: Brue | May 2, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Is it my imagination, or is our "ace" Lannan struggling this year?

Posted by: Nats_Lady | May 2, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Yikes, Lannan's getting shelled. Ball is up, and seems like even the outs are being hit hard. That's what happens when you lose the bottom of the order...

Posted by: mo_dc | May 2, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

>Is it my imagination, or is our "ace" Lannan struggling this year?

Posted by: Nats_Lady

They probably tell him not to nibble with the breaking ball, and today the ump is making him throw his fastball over the plate, which is a batting practice fastball basically, especially when it's flat like it is today. If the hitters think that he can't sneak it by them, then he's toast. I mean, it's like the umps have caught up to Lannan, and they're making him throw strikes.

Posted by: Brue | May 2, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

If you give up a HBP, Walk, Single, Double, Triple and HR in the same inning, they should call it "Pitch for the Cycle." Probably just as rare as a hitter getting the Cycle in a game. Lannan's a triple away. Quite a step down from his first two innings of no-hit ball.

Posted by: g3jr | May 2, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

hey tuned in a little late to see riggleman looking real pissed off in the dugout. whats going on? why's he so mad and yelling at pudge? someone fill me in please. thanks

Posted by: dls5kk | May 2, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I called Directv and they researched the issue for like 20 minutes. They determinded that MASN had made the call to air the Astros-Braves game, which of course is blacked out if you don't have the MLB package so you get a blank screen, and not the Nats game.

These problems never seem to happen with a blOws's game but, routinely happen on Nats a broadcast. Coincidence? You make the call.

Posted by: Section505203 | May 2, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

>Is it my imagination, or is our "ace" Lannan struggling this year?

Posted by: Nats_Lady

They probably tell him not to nibble with the breaking ball, and today the ump is making him throw his fastball over the plate, which is a batting practice fastball basically, especially when it's flat like it is today. If the hitters think that he can't sneak it by them, then he's toast. I mean, it's like the umps have caught up to Lannan, and they're making him throw strikes.
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Lannan put four balls right on the outside corner. Theres a differnce between throwing strikes and throwing the ball right down the middle of the plate. The entire '90's staff of the Braves got to the HOF throwing the ball on the outsude corner.

Posted by: Vze2sr66 | May 2, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

MASN's b.s. response to my email:

MASN is currently being carried by 24 cable and satellite providers throughout our seven state region.

DirecTV is currently experiencing technical difficulties. MASN is providing the correct transmission feed to DirecTV, but currently, they are not showing the MASN2 feed on MASN2.

As we have become aware of these technical problems, MASN has immediately contacted DirecTV
for immediate resolution.

We regret any inconvenience that the technical difficulties of DirecTV may have caused you. We hope and expect that any problems will be rectified immediately.

Again, thank you for your interest in MASN.

Your Friends at MASN

Posted by: rbelleisle | May 2, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

>hey tuned in a little late to see riggleman looking real pissed off in the dugout. whats going on? why's he so mad and yelling at pudge? someone fill me in please. thanks

Posted by: dls5kk

Lannan's getting squeezed and since Riggs isn't allowed to argue balls and strikes, he's probably recruiting Pudge like another coach to communicate with the ump. That's what it looks like. But, I think he's done a pretty good job, it's always a drag when Johnny Boy is forced to throw strikes. You just hope he doesn't throw too many.

Posted by: Brue | May 2, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I said it in a post on thursday that Volstad and Johnson would be tough especially since we really aren't hitting the ball, this lineup ain't scaring nobody and with the Braves trying to right the ship and with better than average pitching well, the Nats had better be ready,Lannan has routtinely pissed me off this season last year with a joke of a team he pitched very well this season he has been up and down, more of the latter from where i sit and if i'm Rizzo i start beating the drum for Carl Crawford if we want to compete then we need to stop being cheap and get a real superstar other than Zimm and Lannan again with 0-2 on a batter gives up a hit WTF?.

Posted by: dargregmag | May 2, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Johnny Boy groovin that fastball!!!!!!!

Posted by: Brue | May 2, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

8 hits and 5 runs in less than 3 innings. I think it's time for some middle relief before this gets out of hand.

Posted by: g3jr | May 2, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Lannan is throwing BP out here -- yes, the ump isn't calling his nibblers on the corner. No one is getting fooled, well, except Maybin. I was surprised to see him come up to bat to start the 5th inning, and now we got lucky by the running error on their catcher, which saved another run.

UGH - that's another dinger! ENOUGH!

Posted by: mo_dc | May 2, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Johnny Boy groovin that changeup!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Brue | May 2, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

>I said it in a post on thursday that Volstad and Johnson would be tough

That's because they throw 95. We need five of those, and we've only got one, and he's in Syracuse. That's when you make the leap, when you get a whole staff of hard throwers.

Posted by: Brue | May 2, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

comeback starts now

Posted by: dls5kk | May 2, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Marlins again.
Boy do they have our number. Nostalgia my humphhhhh

Posted by: Nats_Lady | May 2, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

>I said it in a post on thursday that Volstad and Johnson would be tough

That's because they throw 95. We need five of those, and we've only got one, and he's in Syracuse. That's when you make the leap, when you get a whole staff of hard throwers.
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I have to agree with dargregmag. We can have as many 95 guys as we want. We are still going to have problems if our guys can't hit their guys.

Posted by: Vze2sr66 | May 2, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

What is with the Nats hiting early on these pitchers and then completely disappearing past the 3rd inning? They've done it alot lately, including in wins.

Posted by: amorris525 | May 2, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

>We can have as many 95 guys as we want. We are still going to have problems if our guys can't hit their guys.

Posted by: Vze2sr66

If their guys can't hit our guys, then we have at least an equal chance to win. Same deal. You got to get hard throwers and work back from there. I have no idea why they didn't sign a power hitting right fielder, but they hit pretty well anyway. Certainly enough to win with decent pitching.

Posted by: Brue | May 2, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Would it kill Nieves stand a little closer to the plate when he's batting?
He positions himself like that scared 10 year old we all knew from Little League.
He can't cover the outside of the plate from where he stands, and he can't tell what on the outside corner and what's a few inches off.


Posted by: Sunderland | May 2, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Happy for Randy St.Claire that he landed in Fla. thought he got a raw deal in DC, being the fall guy for Manny's ineptitude he's got some talent on the Marlin's staff. The Nat's have stuck out over 25 times this series and if i'm Riggleman i'm having a talk with my hitting coach,like i said in an earlier post they haven't hit on this road trip at all with the exception of friday night.

Posted by: dargregmag | May 2, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

In addition to looking like a statue lately at the plate JWill now is playing singles into extra base hit might be time for a day off and i don't mean Monday.

Posted by: dargregmag | May 2, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

>We can have as many 95 guys as we want. We are still going to have problems if our guys can't hit their guys.

Posted by: Vze2sr66

If their guys can't hit our guys, then we have at least an equal chance to win. Same deal. You got to get hard throwers and work back from there. I have no idea why they didn't sign a power hitting right fielder, but they hit pretty well anyway. Certainly enough to win with decent pitching.
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Nats are 23rd in runs scored. Here are the teams they are ahead of:

Chicago Sox
Atlanta
Baltimore
Seattle
Pittsburgh
Cleveland
Houston

You can check their records. Notwithstanding today and yesterday, the Nats have had decent pitching. However, they still need to score more runs if they want to be a "good" team.

Posted by: Vze2sr66 | May 2, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Happy for Randy St.Claire that he landed in Fla. thought he got a raw deal in DC, being the fall guy for Manny's ineptitude he's got some talent on the Marlin's staff. The Nat's have stuck out over 25 times this series and if i'm Riggleman i'm having a talk with my hitting coach,like i said in an earlier post they haven't hit on this road trip at all with the exception of friday night.
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Struck out over 30 times.

Posted by: Vze2sr66 | May 2, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I thought so, too, NatsLady, but that's what the tv guys said. If memory serves, it was something like 1600 dogs. I don't think that Adam Dunn was the only one doing some scoopin' at the ballpark yesterday, if you get my drift.

So, I missed the postgame last night and today (couldn't stay up for the former and had seen enough by then in the case of the latter). Did Hanley Ramirez get to wear the Elvis wig? :-)

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Hi, folks.
Was the attendance really 35K? including the pups? I tot I taw a lot of empty seats.
Posted by: Nats_Lady | May 2, 2010 1:43 PM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | May 2, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

"That's because they throw 95. We need five of those, and we've only got one, and he's in Syracuse. That's when you make the leap, when you get a whole staff of hard throwers."

There are actually FOUR.
1. Steven Strasburg.
2. Jordan Zimmermann.
3. Nathan Karns.
4. Juan Jaime.

3 out of the 4 have health / injury issues.

Posted by: periculum | May 2, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Phillies, with Moyer pitching, go down 3-0, then 5-2 to the Mets with Santana pitching. Its now 11-5 Phillies. Sometimes your hitting has to pick up your pitching.

I am not sure the Phillies have four guys that throw 95.

Posted by: Vze2sr66 | May 2, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

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