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Game 33 discussion thread: Nationals at Mets

Scott Olsen will take the mound tonight for the first time since his brush with a no-hitter against the Braves, the best start of his major league career. Olsen has allowed one earned run in his last 20 1/3 innings, dropping his ERA for the season to 3.54.

Olsen's last start helped more than his ERA. MASN earned a 1.8 rating for the game, 36,300 homes in the Washington area tuning in at some point. Olsen's near no-hitter was the highest rated Nationals game since August 2007, when Barry Bonds broke Henry Aaron's home run record against the Nats. Overall, MASN's rating for Nationals games are up 22 percent this year, according to a spokesperson.

It would be hard for Olsen to top the excitement from that night against Jonathon Niese and the Mets. Whatever happens, discuss the game right here.

By Adam Kilgore  |  May 11, 2010; 7:05 PM ET
 
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bout time he pops one with runners on.

Posted by: nami322 | May 11, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah Dunn!

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | May 11, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Dunn: Tater time! Nice... Nats 3 - Mets 0

Posted by: fpcsteve | May 11, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

That's what I'm talking aobut!! Finally a three run dinger instead of a solo. Much rather see Dunn expand the zone and swing the bat rather than finesse walks. Hate to see Morgan go back to the head first slide -- could have gotten spiked or worse. Guess he wasn't having much success stealing with the feet first slide.

Posted by: Natmeister | May 11, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Nice 9-pitch 1st for Olsen

Posted by: CAskinhead | May 11, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Back to back walks by Guzman????

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | May 11, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Really hate leaving the bases juiced there... Couldve blown it open. Oh well, were gonna run this kid out of the game by the 4th

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | May 11, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Ouch!

Posted by: Jeff_Jackson | May 11, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

No need to get defensive. But really, do you sit around in your undies all day, or do you just go straight to diapers so your mommie can change them? Tomato soup and grilled cheese for lunch! It's heaven. You can use the pythagorean theory to say that there's no way the Nats keep winning one-run games. Hey - as long as they get their starters into the 7th every night, Riggs can take care of the bullpen. The guy is so much more remarkable as a manager than he was 10 years ago. I take a peek at the stats too, I just don't get carried away that they're definitive necessarily. A lot of neat relationships for stats, but have trouble with how useful and non-redundant they are. Whatever. 18-14. Mets suck.

Posted by: Brue | May 11, 2010 6:34 PM

HA! Awesome! You are such a card! Wow! I love what you did there with picking up on my joke and making fun of me for it. This was original and clever. You are quite witty.

We agree on exactly one thing. Mets suck.

Posted by: Section220 | May 11, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Have a feeling this is going to be another Bourbon & Maalox special. Oh well, Im not complaining!

Posted by: Kev29 | May 11, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Have to say, I respect Scott's toughness.

Posted by: Section220 | May 11, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

All Taveras 4 RBI were against the Mets earlier. He continues to be a "Met" killer. He was safe at 2nd, Reyes was straddling not touching and did not have control of the ball. This from the Mets announcers.

Posted by: periculum | May 11, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

yes! pudge and desi come through big

Posted by: DCguy7 | May 11, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

I love what I'm seeing out of Desmond. This guy is going to be with us for a long time. Top-notch glove and a ferocious swing. Me likes!

Posted by: Naugatuck-Nats | May 11, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

nyjer needed to get to that one.

Posted by: nami322 | May 11, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Nice work by Olsen shows he's maturing didn't let mental lapse by Morgan/Guzman unravel his good effort need to get some more runs so we can get into the habit you gotta love what's going on with this team i know i do!

Posted by: dargregmag | May 11, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

It's about time Guzzie seriously considers hitting right handed full time. Absolutely a major league hitter from the right side, Harrisburg-esque from the left. What a spark tonight - 2 walks and making things happen at the plate...

Posted by: mo_dc | May 11, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else read Olsen's lips waking off the field? I don't blame you kid, but keep on doing what you're doing and you'll be wearing that silver Elvis wig a bunch this year!

Posted by: mo_dc | May 11, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

82 pitches and he gets the hook at 6-1? Come on riggs....

Posted by: james67 | May 11, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

james67, I'm so glad I wasn't the only one wondering about that decision!!

Posted by: dryw1 | May 11, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Tough break for Olsen, but good chance for the middle-relief to get some work, build some confidence.

Posted by: reddog278 | May 11, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

If they need confidence send them down to the minors; no reason to take him out there.

Posted by: james67 | May 11, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Apples and oranges.

Posted by: reddog278 | May 11, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I Agree, Rigglemans first bad decision this year (that I can remember), pulling Olsen WAY too early. Hopefully it doesn't come back to bite us.

Posted by: curz | May 11, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Success in the minors, gives you confidence you can pitch in the minors...

Posted by: trinergy | May 11, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Whenever we're over .500, it feels like we're playing with house money. Feels great. Hope they play with the same mindset.

Posted by: thelonghaul | May 11, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Then put them in a game we're losing 6-1; obviously I know nothing since I'm sitting here on a couch but it's just a pet peeve of mine when I see managers overmanaging.

Why not let olsen get the confidence that he can go 7+ every time he takes the ball like livan? I just think in general this whole era of babying your starters is ridiculous and might be one reason why it seems like pitchers get so many injuries because they have no arm strength.

Posted by: james67 | May 11, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Is there some law against retiring the first Met batter of an inning?

Posted by: KenNat | May 11, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Brian Bruney... why do you hate me?

Posted by: mastroj | May 11, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Brian Bruney... why do you hate me?

Posted by: mastroj | May 11, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Taking Olsen out was a Riggleman teaching moment. Basically saying that Olsen has performed well enough this year to no longer need need the confidence-building, manager-trusts-you stuff. Olsen is here for the duration, so we're past that. But some folks in the bullpen need to get into these game situations to see who gets sent down or released when the eggs hatch in Syracuse.

Posted by: thelonghaul | May 11, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Is Rizzo tired of looking at this guy yet, I know I am. Seriously can we just DFA him right now before the game is even over, what a waste of a roster spot.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | May 11, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

When are they going to admit that Bruney isn't working out and let him go? There must be more than one reliever in AAA who can do better.

Posted by: p-man | May 11, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I really do not understand taking Olsen out so early. Sure, a few balls went to the wall but look where we are now. Now, we need Clip and Save in a game that they probably should have had off. Where is Storen. How nice would Storen-Clip-Capps look. That game gets late real early.

Posted by: mastroj | May 11, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Re: Bruney...

See my earlier posts in the past week. Keep hoping to be proven wrong sometime. Send him to Syracuse to "get some confidence."

Posted by: mo_dc | May 11, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

It didn't take me long to hate Brian Bruney. It began when you walked in that game winning run. Go back to NY.

Posted by: burnsrb | May 11, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

I really do not understand taking Olsen out so early. Sure, a few balls went to the wall but look where we are now. Now, we need Clip and Save in a game that they probably should have had off. Where is Storen. How nice would Storen-Clip-Capps look. That game gets late real early.

Posted by: mastroj | May 11, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Brian Bruney is terrible. Hated him when he walked in that game winning run earlier this year.

Posted by: burnsrb | May 11, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Did you read olsen's lips when he left the mound? He didn't take it as a teaching moment. He took it as you don't have the confidence/trust in me to even go 6 innings when the score is 6-1 with one guy on 3rd base?

Posted by: james67 | May 11, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Riggleman may have cost us the game by pulling Olsen.. unreal.

To his credit, he has managed well to this point, but tonight he just made a terrible decision.

Posted by: curz | May 11, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Re: Bruney...

See my earlier posts in the past week. Keep hoping to be proven wrong sometime. Send him to Syracuse to "get some confidence."

Posted by: mo_dc | May 11, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Where is Willie Harris?

Posted by: paulkp | May 11, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

This bullpen isn't sneaking up on anyone anymore

Posted by: Kev29 | May 11, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Agree about Bruney, but he's not the only problem tonight.

Posted by: KenNat | May 11, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Well, this stuff happens. Important not to give up on this game - let's get a couple outs and a few hits

Posted by: Kev29 | May 11, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

If Olsen tapes someone else's name on the back of his jersey, can we put him back in?

Posted by: dryw1 | May 11, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Riggs definitely mis-managed the bullpen on this game. First, Olsen should have stayed in longer. Second, Walker could have started the 7th. Then Slaten could have pitched the 8th and Bruney could stay as far away from the mound as possible. I'd throw Batista out there before Bruney.

Posted by: nami322 | May 11, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

I cant watch anymore.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | May 11, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

dryw1 - funny!

Posted by: james67 | May 11, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

FLop pitched better against the Mets.

Posted by: KenNat | May 11, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I am not liking Clip's ways to be the league leader in wins...

uh, spoke too soon.
But I wouldn't mind if we pulled it back to even! Again, we missed a huge chance for more insurance in the 8th.

Seems like a reversion to mean game now...

Posted by: mo_dc | May 11, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I agree that the bullpen has stunk it up just like 2009, but Olsen was off his game. He was one pitch away from disaster several times. The overuse of Clippard is coming back to bite us. I haven't seen the team completely fall apart like this in a while; hopefully it doesn't happen again soon. If we keep using a two man bullpen it's going to get ugly until reinforcements get here.

Posted by: p-man | May 11, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Is Joey Eischen available?

Posted by: Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me | May 11, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Better hope olsen's confidence isn't shattered now; next time it's a close game in the 6th he'll be looking over his shoulder let alone with a 6-1 lead with one guy on base.

Bad luck twice in a row for scottie - doesn't get the win with a no hitter through 7 and now with a 6-1 lead he won't get the W.

Posted by: james67 | May 11, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I am not liking Clip's ways to be the league leader in wins...

uh, spoke too soon.
But I wouldn't mind if we pulled it back to even! Again, we missed a huge chance for more insurance in the 8th.

Seems like a reversion to mean game now...
We need to take advantage to build on leads and get rid of "AA pitchers getting confidence to get a few nights without pushing the envelope. I hate that phrase.

Every game does NOT have to be one run, ya know!?

Posted by: mo_dc | May 11, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Yikes........

Don't the Nats know that Gasoline Alley is sooooooo 2009?

Posted by: HenryStin | May 11, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

OMG what is happening? I just brought up the gamecast. Make it stop!

Posted by: PattyinSJ | May 11, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Call him up to the show tonight. That's it.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | May 11, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Please don't let Bruney on the plane to Colorado.

Posted by: Tom8 | May 11, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Riggleman did the same thing Sunday with Livo and we got lucky when Jwill went deep but tonite no excuse he should have never taken Olsen out this is where that pitch count bullsh#t is exactly that BULLSH#T!!!! this implosion could turn the whole road trip around, last thing i wanna see is those smug azz new yorkers celebrating!!!.

Posted by: dargregmag | May 11, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Anyone think that Storen might be on the plane to Colorado tomorrow night? I know that sounds like panicking, but what's the point in waiting?

Posted by: Kev29 | May 11, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

james67, who was joking?? we can throw in a fake mustache if it would help get us some pitching!

Posted by: dryw1 | May 11, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

The crazy thing is the gamecast window shows 4 outs now.

Posted by: PattyinSJ | May 11, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE cut Bruney NOW!

Posted by: berou | May 11, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Way to go Batista, you're doing a stellar job of making me a liar when I say this situation rests squarely on the shoulders of Jim Riggelman, whose late game moves are questionable at best.

Of the various sins here, the greatest is the fact that Clippard appears in so many games the Mets know precisely what he does. Even Dibble called it. He uses his breaking ball to get out of jams, so you sit on the breaking ball and wait for the set-up fastball.

The Mets got plenty of video tape to prove it.

Other mistakes: going to Bruney, ever. Not immediately walking Reyes when first was open. The aforementioned pulling Olsen too soon.

Not to say the players didn't make mistakes, there's a litany of those, too. But really, some rotten managing.

Posted by: Section506 | May 11, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Riggleman has to manage in real time. You all get to comment after the fact. This team is way ahead of expectations unless, of course, your expectation was for an undefeated season. Chill people.

Posted by: thelonghaul | May 11, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Yikes........

Don't the Nats know that Gasoline Alley is sooooooo 2009?

Posted by: HenryStin | May 11, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Olsen should legitimately be pissed after this one.

Others have said what i am thinking, but it sucks to pull a guy to give our crap middle guys a chance to build confidence - and we have a day game tomorrow.

Posted by: mo_dc | May 11, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Agree about Bruney, but he's not the only problem tonight.

Posted by: KenNat

Yeah but the bottom line is you're up by four runs and he comes in and can't even get one guy out. He has one job to do and fails at it. Bruney sucks.. there were a lot of mistakes in this game tonight but bottom line is we were very well in line for a win until bruney came in. clippard isn't good in situations where he inherits runners, so stop putting him out there in those situations.

oh yeah and F bruney. go apologize to your team and olsen, more importantly. way to throw the game away for a guy battling his butt off and getting hit in the ankle and getting extra outs as well.

Posted by: rachel216 | May 11, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Very painful to watch this game. From poor fielding, to relief pitching, to managing. The problem was we were winning by more than 1 run, I guess, and we only know how to win 1 run games.

Of course Clip has been very good very often, and maybe over-used. But has he also been over-rated because of quirks in the stats? I haven't seen his stat on runs allowed, but my impression is that his low era hides a lot of runners inherited he allowed to score. And his high win total is actually a sign of failure for a reliever - it means he blew a save or hold and was baled out by the offense.

Posted by: JLNash819 | May 11, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

This is the single worst game they have played as a team all season. Absolutely horrible. At least the blowout losses were entirely on the pitcher, but here...

... we've seen piss poor communication in the field, epic bullpen meltdown and inability to score with runners in position.

You broke my heart, Nats. You broke my heart.

I can see this unraveling the team.

Posted by: CapitolWill | May 11, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

U-G-L-Y, You ain't got no alibi...You UGLY!

Posted by: Naugatuck-Nats | May 11, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Since SSBC brought him up, to paraphrase Joey Eichen (#58 in your program, but #1 in our hearts for the slam of angelos) "We're just gonna hafta suck on it and like it!

FRANK 20

Posted by: tradervic1313 | May 11, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Ike Davis might be getting one right between the 2 and the 9 on the back of his jersey tomorrow for his little fit at first.

Posted by: Kev29 | May 11, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

it had to be indisputable visual evidence.

Posted by: burnsrb | May 11, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

maybe if bruney could do his job we wouldn't have to use Clippard every single day. He's wearing out quickly.

Posted by: rachel216 | May 11, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I can see this unraveling the team.

Posted by: CapitolWill | May 11, 2010 10:25 PM

Congratulations on the freak out of the night award!! You win a free bowl of soup.

Posted by: Kev29 | May 11, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Clippard isn't tiring. The league is making adjustments, and he hasn't.

We could let him rest for an entire week, and the same thing will happen if he doesn't adjust as well.

Posted by: CapitolWill | May 11, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

I've gotta agree with thelonghaul here. This game has been ugly and painful and way too much like the old days....but I'm not ready to write off the new and improved Nats yet. Yeah, we need to improve the middle bullpen (!!) and Riggs pulled Olsen too soon. But we're not out of this yet, and even if we lose, we're still THREE GAMES ABOVE .500!! Who would've turned that down if offered it on May 10, 2009?

Posted by: dryw1 | May 11, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

CapitolWil needs to relax. The game isnt even over yet...

Posted by: burnsrb | May 11, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

I've been unhappy with many of his late game moves since last season, so can it longhaul. Furthermore, I'm not the only one who has, the Mariners, the Cubs, and the Padres all agree with me, so it's not like no one else has a problem with his moves.

Posted by: Section506 | May 11, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

@Kev29: The fact of the matter is - and statistics back this up - the emperor has no clothes.

They were bound to fall back down to Earth at one point. Clippard's meltdown was inevitable, and his inability to keep inherited runners off home plate has now made our bullpen completely transparent - we got nothing.

Posted by: CapitolWill | May 11, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Come on offense! Pick up riggs and the bullpen!

Posted by: james67 | May 11, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

The offense put six runs on the board. I don't think you can ask for much more. We're not the Phillies.

Nats let the Mets hang around and got burned. Let's hope they bounce back tomorrow, but Pelfrey has been en fuego this season.

That is a tough loss. What a meltdown.

Posted by: CapitolWill | May 11, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

I am with CapitolWill and Rachel,

definitely the worst loss of the year so far on many levels. This was a blast to the past, which to keep things positive, is refreshing to acknowledge is not the norm anymore!

Bruney alone is responsible for many mad clips but enough is enough and the season is long. Can't let clip n save carry the season!

Posted by: mo_dc | May 11, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Jesus - I don't know how some of you are going to get through 129 more of these!

Hit the sack and we'll go get 'em tomorrow

Posted by: Kev29 | May 11, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Whatever we're paying Bruney, I will work for half that amount. I won't get anybody out, but neither does he.

Posted by: SilverSpring8 | May 11, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

In real time, about 5 of us posted that pulling Olsen was a terrible move.

Posted by: curz | May 11, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Go easy peeps. It was a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day, not the end of the season. We're still miles above where we were last year and there are sunnier skies ahead. Hang on...it's going to be a bumpy ride.

Posted by: Naugatuck-Nats | May 11, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Truedat capitolwill but when a manager makes a horrible decision or a teammate lets you down, the only thing you can do is pick 'em up, ya know? But alas, it wasn't meant to be. The good thing is they have no time to stew over this one....quick turnaround tomorrow.

Posted by: james67 | May 11, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Clip really does seem to have trouble coming in when there is a runner already on base. Kind of strange for a reliever. But I agree with everyone else, there has to be someone better than bruney out there. And by there I truly mean anywhere.

O well at least he lost his arbitration hearing, so he is failing to earning a lower salary.

Posted by: SFcapsfan | May 11, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I don't think we can put all of this on Bruney. I think that the inability to score with runners in position hurt and Riggles took out Olsen way too early.

Clippard needs to make some adjustments or this bullpen is thinner than a ticket stub.

I agree that the team is much improved over last season, but I think this will be a LONG road trip.

Posted by: CapitolWill | May 11, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I honestly cannot believe that someone actually referred to this one game as the "unraveling of this team." This discussion thread reminds me of the thread after the second game of the season. Go back and read it if you want to see a bunch of people who could not even manage this team after the fact, much less real time. At least wait until Rigg's post-game presser before commenting about taking Olsen out.

Look, even before tonight Bruney was done after the comments he made about Clip n' Save yesterday. He's not long for this team, but baseball does not work like FedEx where you just overnight someone out of here.

So, again, chill people. Let's get 'em tomorrow.

Posted by: thelonghaul | May 11, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

If Clippard gets rocked next time out, it may be time to start worrying. It would be interesting to see if he's fine with bases empty. It's not as if he wasn't effective last year. Let's face it; his ERA wasn't going to stay under 1. Maybe it's time to see what Storen can do. How's English doing in AAA? He had a low ERA for the Nats, but he allowed a lot of base runners. Whoever comes up, though, Bruney needs to go.

Posted by: p-man | May 11, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

What matters is where it goes from here.

I've seen worse. Any oldtimers here remember the 1961 Senators blowing a 12-5 lead (with I think 1 on and 2 out) in the bottom of the 9th at Fenway?

Posted by: KenNat | May 11, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

longhaul - not watching right now; can you relay what riggs has to say about pulling olsen? Also, what did bruney say about clip and save?

Posted by: james67 | May 11, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

This loss stunk on ice however, there is no need to hit the panic button. This type of loss happens to every team at least a couple of times throughout a very long season.

F the Mets, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.

Shake it off and go get'em tomorrow boys!

Posted by: Section505203 | May 11, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Bruney has had enough chances already. Syracuse is a short flight from NYC there is no doubt he will clear waivers.

Posted by: Tom8 | May 11, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

This one was on Riggs. He was managing like it was a 1-run game. There was no reason to take Olsen out. He could have probably gone 2 more innings. And there was no reason to take Walker out. Riggs was just way over-managing a game he had won. He wasn't used to being that far ahead. Really a shame.

Posted by: dovelevine | May 11, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Golly gee Section 506, before I can it, do you really want to fold the 2009 record since Riggleman took over into the 2010 record? I'm really sorry about your personal unhappiness with his late game moves, but his record so far trumps it in my book.

Posted by: thelonghaul | May 11, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Dovelevine - "he wasn't used to being that far ahead"; that's funny - maybe he fell asleep in the clubhouse ala griffey jr , woke up, looked at the scoreboard and it wasn't updated. Oh wait, we weren't playing at home so the scoreboard in NY was probably working.

Posted by: james67 | May 11, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Bruney is pitching badly, but to blame him entirely for this is unfair. It was a team loss - including Rig - even worse.

But even the best teams have games like this. What distinguishes the good baseball teams from the mediocre ones is what happens tomorrow and the day after. The character of this team will be revealed by whether they are able to bounce back.

Posted by: JLNash819 | May 11, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

james67, have not heard Riggleman's presser yet, but here's what Bruney said about clip n' save:

"We like to play, too," Brian Bruney said. "It can't just be the 'Clip and Capps Show' every night."

As I said, Bruney's done, it's just a matter of time.

Posted by: thelonghaul | May 11, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Longhaul - thanks. Hadn't heard that; it's nice he wants the ball but I'd rather him keep that between himself and the manager.

We don't need yipper yappers like that talking to the press about how he's being used.

Posted by: james67 | May 11, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

I agree about leaving Walker in, but I'm not so sure about Olsen. He was pitching his way out of jams all night, but he was in trouble. It's not unlikely that the Mets would have had more than 2 runs going into the 8th if Olsen had stayed in. I think Walker and Slaten could have gotten through innings 6-8 with minimal, if any, damage. If Batista or Burnett couldn't get it done after that Capps would be waiting in the wings. Whether or not taking out Olsen was a mistake, it was not a mistake that should have cost the game. If the team needs starters to go 7 in order to win they're in trouble.

Posted by: p-man | May 11, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

One game, albeit a bad one. Tied with the Mets for 2nd in the division and have outplayed them both games this series. The bullpen will improve, but my bet is it will be without bruney.

Posted by: ehay2k | May 11, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, p-man, you made my point better than I apparently could.

Posted by: thelonghaul | May 11, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Let this be a lesson Jim Riggleman you did the same thing Sunday with Livo and JWill bailed your azz out and then you come back and do the same thing tonite and it bites you big time right in the azz,when a starter's got "it" going on, leave it alone ask Pudge that's what you signed him for stop over managing the game, and there's no one to blame for this one but you and you alone don't blame Bruney you should have known better, he's a pyromaniac, so forget this one and let's get em tommorow and by the way the first thing you should have done after this one is pull Olsen aside and apologize.GO NATS!

Posted by: dargregmag | May 11, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

As upset as we all are about tonight's game, the far bigger travesty today is the MLB decision to let the Phillies play 84 home games this year by moving the Phils-Blue Jays series due to the G20 summit in Toronto. Obviously unfair to the Jays (esp. with the decision to play the game by AL rules, which allows the Phils to use a DH in that band box), but also unfair to the rest of the NL East, which has to play the usual 81 home games.

Posted by: thelonghaul | May 11, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

off-topic; being a dc sports fan for 30 years I can relate to cleveland's pain. Cavs got crushed 2nite.

Posted by: james67 | May 11, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

When Clippard gave up that double against the wall in left field to make it 6-5, Willingham was in the vicinity, but couldn't quite make the play. Given that we entered the 8th with a four run lead, I wondered why Willie Harris wasn't patrolling left field. No guarantees, of course, but I believe he would have had a shot at that ball: it didn't hit that high on the wall.

Posted by: bertbkatz | May 12, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Is there a money reason why Bruney gets so many chances to fail?

Posted by: roseglasses | May 12, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Adam ... correction on your tv ratings comment. If the 1.8 rating from Olsen's last start was the average rating, which I'm assuming it is since that's the common use of ratings in the tv business - then it would be an average of 36,300 homes tuned in at any given point of the game. To say tuned in at some point would apply to the cume rating and the total number of homes watching the game. Nitpicking, but with the Nats abysmal tv ratings history, that's an impressive average rating, during the May sweeps period also.

Posted by: dlombardo1 | May 12, 2010 12:39 AM | Report abuse

@JLNash819 "The character of this team will be revealed by whether they are able to bounce back."

I agree and the next few games will be really interesting.

Also agree about the over-managing. If he lets Olsen stay in, this doesn't happen.

Posted by: CAskinhead | May 12, 2010 1:24 AM | Report abuse

We'll see how the team bounces back today. I think they're more resilient than in the past, but time will tell.

I also wondered about Riggs' pulling of Olsen. (I wasn't online then, but I did say as much to my tv set at the time. :-)) I'd also be interested to hear what Riggs had to say about it. Didn't watch the postgame as I was coming down with a cold.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | May 12, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Given Riggleman's poor record as manager in other towns, he's on a short leash here. However, I am one of those who saw a struggling Olsen last night, so I wasn't surprised to see him pulled.

My thought on the choice of Bruney is that Riggleman is sending coded messages to the front office: "Get this guy out of here!" You do this by putting him on display for all to see.

Dibble has noted that Clippard does not keep runners from scoring. Sort of his Achilles heel. It may be that Clippard mentally sees himself as a starter and will not adapt to being a set-up guy. If so, more coded messages from Riggleman to the FO.

What I like about the Nats' manager is his intensity and involvement in each pitch. After watching Acta last year do the comatose routine, this alone is refreshing. Otherwise, time will tell, with a team obviously in transition toward what (we hope) is a bright future.

Posted by: JohnRDC | May 12, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Kev29 wrote:
>>"Anyone think that Storen might be on the plane to Colorado tomorrow night? I know that sounds like panicking, but what's the point in waiting?"

This reply is way late so no one may even see it, but the point in waiting (from the perspective of Nats ownership/management) to bring up Storen is that by waiting until June they get an extra year on the end of his contract, it's all about the Super Two status. It's the same deal with Strasburg.

We should keep in mind though that it may be unrealistic to expect him to come in and immediately be the Savior/Anchor of the bullpen. He barely has pitched at the AAA level, MAYBE he'll get here and have stat lines just like he has had in the minors straight out of the gate, but to expect that immediately may be asking too much. He should have a bright career in the Majors ahead of him, but let's not get ahead of ourselves and put too much pressure on him. The Nats understand that and will be easing him into his Big League career.

Posted by: dabagley | May 12, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Well, I read it, dabagley. :-)

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