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Nationals-Mets lineups

Nationals
1. Nyjer Morgan, CF
2. Adam Kennedy, 2B
3. Ryan Zimmerman, 3B
4. Adam Dunn, 1B
5. Cristian Guzman, SS
6. Willy Harris, LF
7. Roger Bernadina, RF
8. Wil Nieves, C
9. Craig Stammen, P

Mets
1. Angel Pagan, CF
2. Alex Cora, 2B
3. Jose Reyes, SS
4. Jason Bay, LF
5. David Wrights, 3B
6. Ike Davis, 1B
7. Jeff Francoeur, RF
8. Rod Barajas, C
9. Mike Pelfrey, P

By Mark Viera  |  May 12, 2010; 10:01 AM ET
 
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This is not a line up that inspires confidence after last night's loss? What is Riggleman thinking? Is he trying to make this worst? Guzman, as much as he loves him, as a terrible slugging percentage and a less than wonderful OBP and OPS. And although Desmond committed that error and dropped the ball on the steal attempt ... Guzman almost ran into his centerfielder allowing a hit to drop that shouldn't have.

Sometimes I wonder about Riggleman.

Posted by: periculum | May 12, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Guzman should be the starting RF until he proves that he can't do it. Ian needs to play everyday and Guzman starting elsewhere will do that. Plus RF's total stats this year is like a pitcher's hitting stats and Guzman would help that.

Posted by: tcostant | May 12, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Periculum, I agree.

At this rate all the "regulars" will get 40+ days off this season. Its BASEBALL, give the guys a day off once in a while, not once in a week. Hammer & ID need to be in there. Other than Pudge the regulars need to play after a tough loss like last night.

At some point the Elephant in RF will have to be addressed.

Lets go NATS!

Posted by: Redskins2Win | May 12, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Can someone please explain to me why Pudge still isn't listed as the MLB batting average leader. Every night they say he needs 4 more ABs. And after 9 ABs the last 2 nights he still isn't listed. What is the story?

Posted by: dovelevine | May 12, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Rookies tend to wear down over the course of the season. Resting Desmond more than normal is OK with me.
Resting Willingham is a different issue.
The bottom half of our lineup is so weak, ugh.

We're gonna need Super-Willie to show up, and Stammen needs to throw 8 zeros.
Bottom third of the order.

Nieves, Bernadina, Stammen.
Guess which one of those three has the highest SLG PCT this season?

I don't know if Morse is really gonna be any help on offense, and I don't know how bad an outfielder he is, but it's about time we found out.

Posted by: Sunderland | May 12, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

BTW Carlos Ruis has 82 ABs and he is listed. And Pudge has 94 and he isn't. As Keenan would say, What Up Wit Dat?

Posted by: dovelevine | May 12, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

The Nats have had some good luck to go with improved pitching, but the chicken are going to come home to roost - their starters still can't seem to get past the 6th inning and the bullpen is beginning to show it's obvious defects. Couple that with an everyday lineup that has overachieved a little bit and the Nats seem primed for a rough stretch. This team as not as bad as last years but certainly not as good as the record says they are.

Posted by: bendersx6 | May 12, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

BTW Carlos Ruis has 82 ABs and he is listed. And Pudge has 94 and he isn't. As Keenan would say, What Up Wit Dat?

Posted by: dovelevine

It's Plate Appearances, not At Bats.
And Ruiz has a lot more BB's than Pudge.
It's also a factor of how many games your team has played.
And we've played one more game than Philly.

3.1 Plate Appearances per Game your team has played.

They both close to qualifying.
Ruiz is just above the line, Pudge is just below.

Posted by: Sunderland | May 12, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

dovelevine, it's plate appearances, not ABs. Pudge has 94 AB but only 4 walks (don't know about HBPs, Sacs, or SFs). Ruiz has 82 AB but 21 walks, so Ruiz has come to the plate more often.

Posted by: chiefwj | May 12, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

there goes a series we shoulda won

Posted by: chillsonic | May 12, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Wow, we're worried about a game that doesn't even start for another two hours? Did last night's loss completely undermine our optimisim?

Also, not to pick nits, but I believe the Harris in LF is Willie, not Willy (which is too close to Wily for me to be comfortable).

Posted by: JohninMpls | May 12, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

>>dovelevine, it's plate appearances, not ABs

OK thanks. That explains it. So does anyone know how close Pudge is to qualifying?

Posted by: dovelevine | May 12, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

@tcostant - Desmond isn't Ripken, he doesn't need to play every day. As for RF, you have to play Bernadina. Unless you're ready to give up on him, he has to play every game vs RH pitchers at a minimum.

Posted by: sjt1455 | May 12, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

In case some of you haven't noticed(and i know you have)JWill has been slumping lately and Riggs probably plans to play him all 4 games in Colorado and truth be told JWill's glove is not his strong suit a day off can't hurt, Riggleman probably expect's a close game where defense could be the determining factor and before all of you start screaming about Guzman being at short i'll bet he makes a play today that will have us all saying wow!

Posted by: dargregmag | May 12, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

OK thanks. That explains it. So does anyone know how close Pudge is to qualifying?

Posted by: dovelevine

Pudge has 94 AB's
He has 4 BB's
He has 1 HBP
He has 2 Sac
So he likely has 101 PA's.

The Nats have played 33 games.
33 * 3.1 = 102.3

So, he's 1 or 2 PA's short.
(I bet 1, MLB rounds to the closest number usually).

And after today's game, if he sits the whole game, he'll be 4 or 5 PA's short.

Posted by: Sunderland | May 12, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

dargregmag - I get it. I just wish we didn't sit Pudge and Willingham the same game. The lineup *looks* really weak.

Guzman could have a good day at the bat, as he's been hitting lefties really well. But Desmond has also been hitting lefties well.

If Stammen keeps it close, at least Riggleman will have a strong bench to work with.

Posted by: Sunderland | May 12, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

A couple of folks mentioned it, but the most puzzling thing about Riggs' managing last night was not putting Willie Harris out in LF for the 8th, after he'd been doing that pretty routinely when the Nats are ahead (and even though Hammer was first up in the 9th, it was 4-run lead.) To me, there's little doubt Willie would have caught the double as it wasn't even at the top of the wall. I also don't know why Clip didn't start that 8th.

Funny KenHat should mention that '61 loss to the Red Sox (13-12 after leading 12-5 in the 9th) -- it remains the standard for Washington baseball collapses.

But, hey, every season is going to have a game or two like last night's. Let's win today!

Posted by: nats24 | May 12, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I'd take a struggling Hammer vs. any other OF'er on our team in a heartbeat.

Posted by: Redskins2Win | May 12, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure this will bring some replies, but I think he should have left Bruney in after Desmond's error and warmed up Capps rather than Clippard. Clippard is just not the same guy with inherited runners. And even if he succeeded you were going to see Capps in the 9th. Why not just Capps for two innings if needed. And, for this game anyway, Bruney was more unlucky than bad.

Posted by: sjt1455 | May 12, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

So Marquis probably needs surgery. Shocking. One thing we have yet to exorcise, pathetic medical staff.

Posted by: GoNatsTerps | May 12, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I am fine with this lineup. We need ALL our regulars and our bench to perform. We are deeper than we've been in past years. Now we have Josh, Ian, and Ivan who can pinch hit or come in late in the game. I would even say let's give Gonzo a start at short! We'll only be better once Morse is back on the 25 man team.

Posted by: poncedeleroy | May 12, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Riggleman also needs to get Burnett more work. The guy was solid last year and faced Righties. Give him an inning here or there....cant be any worse than Bruney.

Posted by: Redskins2Win | May 12, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

It's a lefty heavy lineup to face a right handed pitcher. Never mind that righties are batting .286 against Pelfrey this year, and lefties only .197, in principle, this lineup makes sense.

And I'm sure Pudge is out because of the whole night game/day game thing, which is pretty typical.

Last year, I'd be echoing the doom and gloom comments a lot of you are making, but this is a different team. In 2010, one bad game says nothing about the rest of the season.

Posted by: zaph | May 12, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

>>And after today's game, if he sits the whole game, he'll be 4 or 5 PA's short. Posted by: Sunderland

Muchos Gracias.

Posted by: dovelevine | May 12, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Yep, think it's just because it's a day game today folks. We'll see - go Nats!

Posted by: PattyinSJ | May 12, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

@Adam

Did anyone in the media call Riggleman out for his horrible decision to pull Olsen, which cost them the game? I thougt it was a terrible decision at the time with the state of the bullpen and I think hindsight has confirmed that.

I can't believe the media didnt call him out on this?

(and yes, he has mostly been good so he is entitled to a mistake every now and then)

Posted by: curz | May 12, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Morse hit his second homer in his rehab start last night. One thing is certain he will get extra base hits. Hopefully, he has learned to walk more than strike out over the past 2 seasons. Fielding? Guess we'll have to see ... I strongly suspect he will be better than Willingham out there with repetition.

Posted by: periculum | May 12, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I for one am really glad to see Derrick Norris back in the lineup in Potomac. Its a shame he isn't further along ...

Posted by: periculum | May 12, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

@curz,

No, but Ray Knight REALLY put him DEAD ON THE spot about Bruney. Basically Knight said, "Riggs we have to do something about Bruney, we need to get rid of that guy."

Posted by: periculum | May 12, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

OK, I can't stand it.
None, not one, of those cannon shots the bullpen gave up were catchable in any reasonable sense by anyone on this roster, including Super Willie. The near-home run in left hit high off a (12 ft?) wall--it would have taken Dave Winfield on a trampoline to catch that. Defensive substitutions would not have helped. Well, maybe Guzman wouldn't have thrown the ball away, but then he might not have gotten to it, either.

And the word is "worse", a comparative, not "worst," a superlative. As in, "bad, worse, worst".

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | May 12, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Whoa, he said that??

"Riggs we have to do something about Bruney, we need to get rid of that guy."
Posted by: periculum | May 12, 2010 12:41 PM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | May 12, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

"In case some of you haven't noticed(and i know you have)JWill has been slumping ..."

Really: the guys with the best OPS on this roster (other than Tyler Clippard) are:

Ryan Zimmerman 1.050
Adam Dunn .918
Ivan Rodriguez .917
Josh Willingham .883
Ian Desmond .749

THREE OUT of SIX have been pulled from the lineup after a devastating loss? Or at least the worst this season has offered not including opening day? Why? Fielding gaffes? Last I looked Riggs 'fav' Guzman almost ran into his center fielder last night and allowed a hit to drop. Guz looks like he needs rest more than any of the others.

Posted by: periculum | May 12, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

"Whoa, he said that??"

Knight did. See the post-game Riggleman interview on the MASN site.

Posted by: periculum | May 12, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure Olsen wishes he'd been left in, but 1. he was looking done, and b. two words: Kerry Wood.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | May 12, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Make that 3 out of 5. I can't count. And its a even more revolting development ...

Posted by: periculum | May 12, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

"two words: Kerry Wood."

Yeah, Riggs has a long memory. I just wish it could have hiccuped and forgotten all about Batista!

Posted by: periculum | May 12, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

@Brue:
Pulling Walker to put in Bruney doesn't affect any righty-lefty match-up. They're both right-handed.

@Juliasdad:
Agree that Bernadina / Harris shold have been in left field in the bottom of the 8th inning. With all the moves Riggleman has been making in late innings, I was surprised to see Willingham out there.

I haven't seen anyone comment on the strange way Walker was pulled in the bottom of the 8th inning last night. We come back from the break, and Walker is on the mound, ready to pitch. Only then does Riggleman emerge from the dugout to bring Bruney into the game, and we go to another break. What was with that?

Posted by: bertbkatz | May 12, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

@Sec3

Olsen had what, 84 pitches? Don't see that as Kerry Wood territory.. and he also is a guy who has thrown 200 innings before.

He had a 5 run lead and only a guy on third.. give him a chance to finish the inning at least.

Also, have you seen our bullpen outside of Clippard and Capps?

Posted by: curz | May 12, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

>>@Brue:Pulling Walker to put in Bruney doesn't affect any righty-lefty match-up. They're both right-handed

Walker was pulled for Slayton who is a lefty.

Posted by: dovelevine | May 12, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

"None, not one, of those cannon shots the bullpen gave up were catchable in any reasonable sense by anyone on this roster, including Super Willie. The near-home run in left hit high off a (12 ft?) wall--it would have taken Dave Winfield on a trampoline to catch that. "

Ah Ha! This is all StanK's falut that we do not have Dave Winfield on a trampoline in left field! If we did, we coulda won that game! The loss was a disappointment, but there will be games like that. Just have to see how they bounce back.

Bruney does need to go somewhere else to re-learn how to pitch, though. I just want to crawl under my seat when he takes the field, a feeling justified in all but one of the occasions when he has. In regard to Clip, Dibble pointed out that ERA can be very misleading for a reliever, noting that Clip has permitted 10 (11?) of 19 inherited runners to score. And as we all know, his "wins" have resulted from blown saves. So, perhaps he is not the superman we had hoped. Still, I don't want to hide when he comes onto the field.

Posted by: NatsFly | May 12, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

You could tell last night that Dibble was quite aggravated by Ike Davis's reaction to the long foul ball he hit and thought was a homer. Hope we can shut down that guy today!

Posted by: poncedeleroy | May 12, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

@Brue:
My bad. Got the pitchers and innings mixed up. Walker came in for Olsen and finished the 6th. The odd switch to Slaten came at the start of the bottom of the 7th inning. Slaten did OK. Just wish he had been saved to pitch the 8th.

Posted by: bertbkatz | May 12, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

@Sec3mysofa:
I saw the replay of the 2-run double off of Clippard. It was not at the top of the wall; it was just two feet over Willingham's head, and he was close by. A faster fielder with more spring (Harris / Bernadina / Tavares) would have had a shot at it. No guarantees, mind you, but the chances would have improved.

Posted by: bertbkatz | May 12, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

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