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Game 56 discussion thread: Nationals vs. Reds

The Nationals are finally after an exhausting road swing. Before tonight, they played 20 road games, in all four time zones, in 26 days. None of them have had a travel schedule quite like reliever Drew Storen. Since April 28, his last day in Class AA, Storen has pitched at three levels in 10 cities: Harrisburg, Toledo, Columbus, Syracuse, Pawtucket, St. Louis, Washington, San Francisco, San Diego and Houston.

Now, he and the Nats are finally home, trying to snap out of a three-game losing streak filled with excruciating moments. "We felt like we had some chances to win some ballgames," Manager Jim Riggleman said. "That irritates you. We're all probably a little less fun to be around."

The Nationals will be rejuvenated tonight by a fresh buzz at Nationals Park, Stephen Strasburg's debut now just days away. "This is exactly what we need right now," one Nats player said.

It helps to have Livan Hernandez on the mound, too. He'll face Aaron Harang. Talk about the game right here.

By Adam Kilgore  |  June 4, 2010; 7:05 PM ET
 
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Midway through the first, it is starting to really fill up and there is a buzz in the air, the stadium is enjoying the warm night although threats of rain on the horizon and my weatherbug shows rain to the west.

Good energy for livo on 2 strikes. Getting out of a jam. True pro.

Livo is getting squeezed, which doesn't bode well. Hopefully Harang gets the same treatment, which could bring out the bats.

Posted by: mo_dc | June 4, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Cmon Hammer, please hurt 'em!

Posted by: mo_dc | June 4, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Just tuned in. Who had the error in the top of the first?

Posted by: CAskinhead | June 4, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

This game has a familiar feel - error and no hitting with RISP.

Posted by: Natmeister | June 4, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh, Nieves is doing his best Matt Lecroy imitation.

Where is everybody?

Posted by: mo_dc | June 4, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Who had the error?

Posted by: CAskinhead | June 4, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Livo looks like he has command of the fastball to keep the hitters honest, and then he works them with works them with the bending action
BOO YEAH STEE-RIKE THREE JAY BRUCE

Posted by: Brue | June 4, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

I count 5 RISP left on base through 3 innings.

Frustrating for us for sure but I wonder how it affects the mood in the dugout?

Posted by: CAskinhead | June 4, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Hurry back Pudge. Nieves is just killing us on both sides of the plate. He will never get a fastball to hit, an easy out on breaking balls away.

Posted by: Natmeister | June 4, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Livo seems to have labored a little early, but pinches out a DP ball & a K against Harang to close the 4th with 70 pitches thrown. "It's getting better all the time"; 2-1 Nationals, bottom of 4th.

Posted by: BinM | June 4, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

They have got to do something about the umpires. Livo on a balk?

Posted by: Nats_Lady | June 4, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

What's happened to MASN2 on Cox? Sox v. O's is on MASN and MASN-HD but MASN2 is nowhere to be found. "Channel is temporarily unavailable." Punishment for Boswell's column Thursday?

Posted by: dmazan1 | June 4, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

What a play by Bernadina! DO NOT put Guzman in RF as a defensive replacement for him.

Posted by: poncedeleroy | June 4, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Let's hope it's a "Weekend at Bernie's". An RBI tonight for Roger as well.

Posted by: bertbkatz | June 4, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

@Nats_Lady:
The guy behind the plate tonight (Bellino) is a rookie fill-in on "Country" Joe West's crew; He momentarily forgot his place in the pecking order.

Posted by: BinM | June 4, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

@ponce:
Agreed; Unless he's hitting below his weight, his glove is more than paying his freight.

Posted by: BinM | June 4, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Another bases loaded LOB.

Posted by: marathoner | June 4, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Dunn looks lost with RISP. Why swing at the first pitch with the bases loaded? It's like he had already decided to swing, probably figured it would be the only fastball he would see. His BA is decent but no power or RBI.

Posted by: Natmeister | June 4, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

LET CLIPPARD HIT!

Posted by: BinM | June 4, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Nice aggressive base running

Posted by: jtunney1 | June 4, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Joe West needs to be sat down for a long, long, time by MLB; He seems to think he's bigger than the game itself.

Posted by: BinM | June 4, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Joe West--a.k.a. Jabba the Hutt--seems to believe he is the God of Baseball. Walks across the mound to call Desmond out, when he was 120 feet away from what happened.

Unbelievable.

Posted by: shepdave2003 | June 4, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Unbelievable!!!

Posted by: Nats_Lady | June 4, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Will someone please set up FireJoeWest.com?
This guy is out of control.

Posted by: Natmeister | June 4, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

country joe west is a Jack A**

Posted by: jtunney1 | June 4, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm not usually one to join these crusades, but I'm thinking the "Fire Joe West" crowd is right. That was unbelievable!

Posted by: cdstej | June 4, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Charlie and Dave are sputtering, they are so amazed.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | June 4, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

The incompetance that is Joe @#$& West. What a showboat.

Posted by: natsfan74 | June 4, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Alberto Gonzalez is having a very quiet, solid season for us. He's been all you can ask for as a utility bench guy who doesn't get much PT

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | June 4, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Well, they did get the call correct. I can see a scenario where West goes over there, and asks the 3rd base umpire what he saw. Given the angle, there's no way the 3rd base umpire could have seen that Desmond was off the bag. West might have been able to. Hard to get upset when they get it right.

Now he did seem to be itching to toss someone, didn't he?

Posted by: phooter | June 4, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

GOOD for Storen!

Posted by: Nats_Lady | June 4, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

way to go storen !!!!

Posted by: jtunney1 | June 4, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

When was the last time you saw so many seats filled behind home plate?

Just talked with StanK. Very gracious! Guuuuz- man!
Juice Box!

Posted by: mo_dc | June 4, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

You can tell when someone is so caught up in their own supposed self importance that they have to interject themselves into any and every situation that is who Joe West is,sadly this fat totally out of shape umpire is becomming a joke,trust me Bob Watson of the commisioner's office ain't having it,he's already put the ump who tossed Roy Oswalt(Astro's)in monday's game on notice and i'm willing to bet he's gonna have a conversation with Joe West where Bob Watson will do all the talking.

Posted by: dargregmag | June 4, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

@BinM: "Joe West needs to be sat down for a long, long, time by MLB; He seems to think he's bigger than the game itself."

Uh, well, he IS bigger than the game itself. He's bigger than a battleship. He's bigger than the city of Washington, DC. He's the biggest dang foul-ball target in baseball.

Posted by: shepdave2003 | June 4, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Come on Capps. Please no drama

Posted by: jtunney1 | June 4, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Come on Capps. Please no drama

Posted by: jtunney1
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

HAHAHAHAHAHA....whew... Good one!

Posted by: Naugatuck-Nats | June 4, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Dare I continue to watch? I nearly drove off the road yesterday during the bottom of the 9th!

NatsFaninKC

Posted by: mastroj | June 4, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Enough with just fining these guys. Baseball needs to start dealing with umpires who unfairly affect the outcome games with ejections similarly to players who take PEDs and unfairly affect the outcome of games.

First erroneous ejection: the ump is suspended for thirty to fifty games.
Second: out for the season.
Third: fired and banned from MLB.

Please note that I'm not talking about guys who blow calls or miss balls and strikes. I'm talking specifically about umps who eject players as immediate knee-jerk reactions.

Posted by: jmorrisa | June 4, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Whew! A curly W in the books (finally!)

Posted by: mastroj | June 4, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Big Win !!!!

Posted by: jtunney1 | June 4, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Fire Umpire Joe West
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=130612593620150

Posted by: DCguy7 | June 4, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Was talking to a buddy of mine who coaches HS baseball. Said the arrogance of umps is prevalent even at that level.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | June 4, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Quality win. Desmond showed us why we'll have to put up with the errors, because he's got a lot of talent, and looks like he could be an excellent clutch hitter.

Capps showed why you have to have patience and confidence in your closer. He's tough enough to bounce back from some tough outings and come up with good pitches.

Posted by: baltova1 | June 4, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Clip the winner?

Posted by: nova_g_man | June 4, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

1) Joe West and Angel Hernandez had the right call: Desmond was out

2) Joe West seems to not have had the right to change the call

3) Joe West was itching to toss someone

4) Joe West and Angel Hernandez have a really rotten track record and have forfeited the right to the benefit of the doubt.

5) I think Dibble is going to have a hefty fine tomorrow.

6) Way to go Dibble

Posted by: Section506 | June 4, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

BTW, managers get fired, players get demoted, but the same thing doesn't seem to happen to umpires. They're like Supreme Court justices or Popes. That's wrong.

Posted by: baltova1 | June 4, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

What did Dibbs say? Had Charlie and Dave on, and they were mad, but biting their tongues.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | June 4, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Maybe West will be disciplined after all, per Yahoo Sports:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-west052710

Note that Joe West employs a publicist. Have you ever heard of an umpire who employed a PR person?

Posted by: shepdave2003 | June 4, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Dibbs said Bud Selig "has to" get rid of Joe West after this latest display.

Posted by: cdstej | June 4, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking there is a plus to a bad road trip - coming home to a very appreciative crowd. Seems like it might inspire more team cohesiveness if they get positive crowds and positive outcomes.
We are stil learning how to be a baseball town, and how to be part of the team's positive. If we can actually bring the Lets Go Caps feeling and result to Lets Go Capps, PLUS having Jeezus here, this coud be a fun summer.

Lets Go Nats!!!

Posted by: bluejeener1 | June 4, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

bj, I am noticing more and more Nationals banners, bumperstickers and shirts around town. Makes me smile all the time.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | June 4, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

do we know if Joe West will be behind the plate in this series ?

Posted by: jtunney1 | June 4, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Bob said Joe was scheduled to be behind the plate tomorrow, I think.

Posted by: cdstej | June 4, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Check with his publicist...

Posted by: Nats_Lady | June 4, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

"Dibbs said Bud Selig "has to" get rid of Joe West after this latest display."

Also that he was one of the two worst umpires in the leagues (the other being Angel Hernandez)

And then when the ball girl missed a rolling foul and West was chuckling he did a mocking Jabba the Hutt laugh.

Posted by: Section506 | June 4, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Desmond came off the bag but it looked like the 3rd base ump thought Rolen pushed his foot off. The guy was looking right at the play, made a call and then pointed to the bag when Rolen protested. And since when does a manager get the umpires to go into conference on a tag play right in front of an umpire? I guess when Cowboy Joe West is crew chief and has an itchy trigger finger. And don't forget the rookie home plate umpire calling a balk on a 15 year veteran. It cost Livo a victory (although some tiemly hits would have solved that issue).

Posted by: Natmeister | June 4, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Dibbs - keep giving Joe West hell. Thats why we love you as a Nats ambassador

Posted by: jtunney1 | June 4, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm confused. How can Joe West, as crew chief, decide to hold a conference (at a managers request, no less) and then overturn a safe/out call at another base? Why wasn't Jim Joyce's blown call in the perfect game overturned if umpire crews hvae this discretion? What's the rule? It used to be that umpires would never hold a conference to overturn a safe/out call that a member of the crew had clearly seen. Good call or bad, they backed the guy up. Plus the manager would get tossed for asking for a second opinion. Overturning calls is a slippery slope, especially with a drama queen like Joe West.

Posted by: Natmeister | June 4, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Dibbs was really getting after it tonight. I like that in a broadcaster. I had some choice words for West, myself, but that's another story. I also wracked my brain for several at-bats trying to remember who Angel Hernandez had called two balks on. I did remember that it was Perez before Carpenter mentioned it, but I also had to look at an old media guide.

And the ball girl needs to keep her glove to the ground. :-)

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | June 4, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse

our ballgirls always miss foul balls. without fail.

Posted by: DCguy7 | June 5, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

@Nats_Lady

"Check with his publicist..."

lol,I read that article.

This guy is setting himself up for a career after baseball. I've been in the entertainment industry for many moons and I can smell it. He'll soon have a booking agent and a record label. Maybe sports talk radio? The possibilities are endless and he's doing all the right things. And as long as he gets the call right (which he did) and uses his authority to overturn a bad call, they can't do much about it.

But a baseball lover I hate it. I hope they find a way to can him

Posted by: CAskinhead | June 5, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Got our season seats for tomorrow's game. Plan to give Joe West Holy Hell (if he can hear me). Great win tonight, but what a joke. Plenty of chin jokes in store.

Posted by: thelonghaul | June 5, 2010 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Got our season seats for tomorrow's game. Plan to give Joe West Holy Hell (if he can hear me). Great win tonight, but what a joke. Plenty of chin jokes in store.

Posted by: thelonghaul | June 5, 2010 1:12 AM | Report abuse

All right, the Nats won the darn game, so can we please stop raggin' on the umps? Their thankless job is clearly headed toward distinction -- an electronic device, as we all know by now, can do it better. But I hate when people lose jobs.

I would like to dissent on those ripping Riggs for double switches. The vast majority of them are really routine -- the pitcher's spot is coming up next inning, and you have to do it. As for the defensive ones, most are safe bets. As everybody and his mother has said, if Guz wasn't still in there Thur., the Nats would not have had a game to squander.

I got no response on a previous thread, (probably because I was the usual day-late, dollar-short) but what if Riggs had flip-flopped Willie Harris and Guz on Thursday in the bottom of the 9th? In that light, he made one fewer move than was needed, in 20-20 retrospect.

Posted by: nats24 | June 5, 2010 1:20 AM | Report abuse

nats24, answer is "no". I'm sick of umpires changing the outcome of games, which easily could have been the case tonight had Gonzo not come up big. If their jobs is so thankless, then they can get another one.

Posted by: thelonghaul | June 5, 2010 1:24 AM | Report abuse

"Maybe a little bit Karmic reward for the breaks we've had the last couple years and what we've all -- both in our team and in the fans - had to live through.'' -- Stan Kasten, talking about having two straight no. 1 draft choices.

Notice he didn't call them "bad'' breaks, because in fact they were pretty routine and to-be-expected breaks, given the talent. You can spin anything.

Posted by: nats24 | June 5, 2010 1:38 AM | Report abuse

thelonghaul, I'm not disagreeing with your complaint, but it's like spitting in the wind. Except, as I said, umpires will be gone soon, for economic reasons if nothing else. Technology will replace them.

I saw uncounted games in the '60s where ump were out of position, weren't looking in the right direction or were picking their nose. This was before ESPN and instant Internet video, which surely keeps them on their toes more.

It's been part of the game, as have egos.
It may be gone soon. That will, for the most part, be good, but it will be a lot different -- and homogenized.

Posted by: nats24 | June 5, 2010 1:50 AM | Report abuse

Sick crowd tonight, can't wait for Tuesday.

The umps need to be ragged on, they pretty much deserve it. Yeah, some sweet plays from Gonzalez at short, he's done a great job this year in limited action at three positions.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=124&t=1016853

Posted by: CJArlington | June 5, 2010 1:50 AM | Report abuse

bj and NatsLady, my husband and I have been seeing more Nats gear out here in the 'burbs, too. (Him: Look at that toddler in the Nats t-shirt. Little front-runner. :-))

As for "Let's Go Capps," I'm all for crowd noise and getting behind the team, but I'm not crazy about the idea of recycling a Caps cheer. OTOH, I guess our team needs bandwagon fans as well as the hard core old-timers, just as the Caps did, so never mind.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | June 5, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and Dibbs also said that West was a fossil. If memory serves, he also mentioned West having been fined recently, and said that they (umpire fines, I took it to mean) should be made public as with the players.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | June 5, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Fun game last night. The crowd was into it and was nice to have that 9th inning mojo working despite Capps letting 2 guys get on.

And as far as Cowboy Joe -- time for him to ride off into the sunset.

Posted by: gonatsgo1 | June 5, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Mike Leake who hurls for the Red's tonight was a little league teamate of Strasburg and remembers the #1 pick as an overweight youngster who cried a lot when he pitched poorly but soon got it together and obviously did well,Leake made the jump to the majors without having to play in the minors at all Dusty Baker thinks Leake has Cy Young potential, tonight's matchup between Leake and Altilano should be a good one and a chance for Altilano to step up.

Posted by: dargregmag | June 5, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

@1a1:
As a long-time DC resident and fan of Nats/Caps/Wiz/Skins, (and aficionado of bad puns) it seemed only natural to start cheering, "Let's go Capps!" when he started ringing up all those saves. If he continues to have a successful season, I hope he engages in some cross-promotional activity with the Capitals, especially with their goalies (both make saves, duh).

Posted by: bertbkatz | June 5, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the perspective, bertb. I'm pretty much an all baseball, all the time type, so I don't really follow the other teams closely.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | June 5, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

That said, as NJ denizens likely know all too well, I'm also a fan of bad puns. :-)

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | June 5, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

A great and well needed win. But pleeze stop playing WIll Nieves. He really stinks and is killing us.

Posted by: dovelevine | June 5, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

"The Nationals are finally after an exhausting road swing."

Do you mean "The Nationals are finally home after and exhausting road swing."?

Posted by: KilgoreNeedsACopyEditor | June 5, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

dovelevine: Who? and put in whom for Will Nieves, Maldanado? then someone will be complaining about him the injury to Jesus Flores has impacted this club more than Rizzo would care to admit there is no backup down on the farm that Riggleman trust enough to bring up so we're stuck so to speak Nieves is a "victim" of Pudge playing almost everyday so he doesn't get the at bats and the "flow" of calling the game that's just the way it is for now.

Posted by: dargregmag | June 5, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

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