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Game 74 discussion thread: Nationals at Orioles

After having the day off yesterday, the Washington Nationals get back to work tonight in their final interleague series of the regular season, this one a three-game set against the Baltimore Orioles at Camden Yards.

J.D. Martin (0-3, 3.55 ERA), he of the five total runs of support in his previous four outings, makes his fifth start of the season for the Nationals (33-40), who have scored just 10 runs in their last six games.

Jake Arrieta (2-1, 5.06) gets the start for Baltimore, which has lost 21 of 26 games and 28 of its past 36. The Orioles (20-52) are 4-11 in interleague play this season, including 1-2 against the Nationals.

Talk about the game right here, and check back later for updates following the final out.

By Gene Wang  |  June 25, 2010; 7:00 PM ET
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Morgan did exactly what a leadoff needs to do; Get on base, and irritate the pitcher enough to make him lose concentration on an "unwalkable" #2 hitter. Two on, no outs in the 1st.

Posted by: BinM | June 25, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Well another great start, 0-3 with RISP on 2 K's and one ground ball. We can't even make productive outs. Need more than gift wrapped runs.

Posted by: Natmeister | June 25, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Arrieta = 28 pitches in the 1st; Martin 11, with a walk. The Nationals need to continue working Arrieta for pitches; That will expose the bullpen earlier than they'd like, IMO.

Posted by: BinM | June 25, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Working for pitches? How about getting a hit with RISP? Maybe even hit the ball hard somewhere. Good grief Guzman, just catch the freaking ball.

Posted by: Natmeister | June 25, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

5-2-3DP; Perfect, but still not out of the inning.

Posted by: BinM | June 25, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Ugly way to start the bottom of 2. Bases loaded with no outs and Guz error on a DP ball beingthe main culprit...

Ah! 5-2-3 DP! Ok, let's get out if this!

Posted by: mo_dc | June 25, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Just 31 pitches for Martin, but 4-5 have been hit hard. That may come back to bite him later.

Posted by: BinM | June 25, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Alberto Gonzalez for 2B!

Posted by: Sunderland | June 25, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Through 2 innings, both these teams are showing some of why they are in their slumps -- Nats with 2 on 0 out, getting nothing, and then the O's outdoing them with bases loaded and a goose egg.

Fortunately the weather is gorgeous tonight or else being at the park could be watching a stinker!

Now let's get after them, top of the order!

Posted by: mo_dc | June 25, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Another ribbie from Dunn - 2-0 Nats.

Posted by: BinM | June 25, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Well I guess this is progress, now 0-5 with RISP but at least 2 SFs and a run. How about a 2 - run dinger?

Posted by: Natmeister | June 25, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Tonight's game is a nice reminder of what we in DC DON'T have to do anymore! Friday night, beach traffic, I-95 jampacked, and a game with our team at Camden Yards. I remember this drive taking nearly 2 hours from Foggy Bottom...

Fortunately, our team is not the home team and we can enjoy our 81 dates at home. Just nice to take a moment to enjoy what we DO have now! (i'll let the rest of you tear to shreds the topics of why we didn't have a team for so long)

Posted by: mo_dc | June 25, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Excellent baserunning.

Posted by: joemktg1 | June 25, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Way to go Pudge! A seeing-eye single for a HIT with RISP. And Guzman runs the bases! Hip Hip Hooray!

Posted by: Natmeister | June 25, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Arrieta now at 57 pitches through three; Keep it up, Nats. 3-0 Nats, entering the bottom of the 3rd.

Posted by: BinM | June 25, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

OH MY GOD!!! A Nyjer Morgan Webgem!! Please keep it up Nyjer!

Posted by: Natmeister | June 25, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Boogity-boogity! Morgan climbs the wall to steal a HR ball from Patterson.

Posted by: BinM | June 25, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Holy crap Nyjer. WOW

Posted by: amorris525 | June 25, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: dargregmag | June 25, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

And Martin now roughly paces Arrieta with 50 pitches thrown through 3, with two more hit sharply. It's a tightwire act, but the Nationals still lead 3-0.

Posted by: BinM | June 25, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Nyjer is in T-Plush mode tonight; 3 for 3, 1SB, 1RBI, & a WebGem. Me likey.

Posted by: BinM | June 25, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Bench Nyjer. Trade Dunn. At least against the O's let's keep them.

Posted by: marathoner | June 25, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

And Dunn doubles home two more; Now 6-0 Nationals, still in the top of the 4th.

Posted by: BinM | June 25, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

It's about time Adam and Nyjer let's see if J D Martin can handle a little prosperity and pitch with a lead.

Posted by: dargregmag | June 25, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Arrieta now at 84 pitches (53-31 split), with 8 hits through 4IP. He might come out for the 5th, but I doubt it.

Now, JD just needs to settle in & get a couple of 'rocking-chair' innings (16 pitches per inning) & turn the game over to the bullpen.

Posted by: BinM | June 25, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Good job, JD. Set 'em down 1-2-3 after the big inning. Let's keep rolling.

Posted by: Natmeister | June 25, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Martin gets to see the 8-9-1 hitters in the 5th, having thrown 60 pitches so far.

Posted by: BinM | June 25, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Nice to have some room for Martin here.

At least Harris isn't the DH. Harris as a designated hitter is like having Roseanne Barr as a designated babe.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | June 25, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

FYI, Here's Lannan's line up in Harrisburg as of 8:55 PM:
Lannan 7.0 3 1 0 1 5 0 0.00

Posted by: -CN- | June 25, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Bases loaded, no outs against Martin - Get the bullpen busy.

Posted by: BinM | June 25, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Lannan has been lifted, so that is his final line:
7 innings
3 hits
1 Run
0 Earned
1 Walk
5 K's

Posted by: -CN- | June 25, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Another Desmond horror show. Out of control trying to make up for the first error.

Posted by: Natmeister | June 25, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I know I'm a little late but Nyjer has been playing, for the first time this season, amazing baseball. Let the record show that this is T-Plush's most complete game to date! That catch on Corey Patterson was AMAZING! Then, Nyjer snatches a well hit ball by Tejada in DEEP left-center with the bases loaded... Then Desmond gave the run back that Nyjer stole one play earlier. Sheesh!

Let's go Nats!

Posted by: MEssex | June 25, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

If i'm Riggleman i sit Desmond for a few games i'm serious this kid makes too many fundamental errors and it almost always leads to a big inning don't get me wrong i love this kid and he's got range and a cannon of an arm but he needs to think out there.

Posted by: dargregmag | June 25, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

@-CN-: Thanks for the line update on Lannan. I think that if he can do the same for two more starts in HAR, he'll be back up with the big club.
So Martin spit the bit, and couldn't get through five; Hated to see Slaten get yanked after only one runner faced. It's now Batista's game to win or lose.

Posted by: BinM | June 25, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

We knew that Desmond was going to commit some errors coming into the season - the question becomes, how many are the Nationals willing to swallow? I'd personally think that 32-35 would be acceptable, given his additional range, as long as Desmond is hitting .250-.265 with a reasonable OBP/SLG (.325/.385).

I guess we'll see...

Posted by: BinM | June 25, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Clip & Save time - only thing I want for my birthday is a Nats win...take it to 'em!

Posted by: NATurallyYours | June 25, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Would've liked to see Martin work through the jam in the 5th, but completely understand going with all the subsequent relievers... this team needs wins and can't afford to take any chances. that said, a fairly solid outing, though he won't get the win.

On Lannan, he'll probably be back no earlier than the all-star break. i'd personally like to see him back ASAP, but he definitely needs to build up his confidence...

Posted by: -CN- | June 25, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Uhhh...not exactly what I was thinking...

Posted by: NATurallyYours | June 25, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Tyler C. appears to be tossing batting practice out there...

Posted by: NATurallyYours | June 25, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Desmond's throwing error highlighted his a previous poster said he needs to take a seat for this message to sink in....settle for the runner getting to first and not compound it by throwing it away and granting an extra base...

Same for Zimmerman...some times just hold the ball, don't give them an extra base...

Tied 6-6 now and errors haunting us...

Posted by: pentagon40 | June 25, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

OPnce again Riggleman blows thru our rntire bullpen leaving us with nobody. Amazing how little he trusts his bullpen. I'm really tired of the one batter relievers, the double switches. Let your best players play.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | June 25, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Tyler like others can't or won't pitch to his strengths...the announcers are saying lay off the breaking stuff when the weak hitters can't hit your fastball...throw your fastball til they hit you....

Posted by: pentagon40 | June 25, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

What on God's green earth is Jim Riggelman doing?! "Glee" is on Tuesdays and is done for the year anyway, and "Futurama" was last night, and FX is showing "There Will Be Blood", which no one should watch on television. All I know is he's not watching Tyler Clippard serve the game up on a platter.

He obviously doesn't have his stuff tonight, Jim, this loss is entirely on your head.

Posted by: Section506 | June 25, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Keeping Clippard in too long...he should have been gone after that homer...Slaten should have been left in longer...if a guy is lpitching ok why take him out??? If one comes in in the 8th and gets the side out, let him stay that closer if you can...and just because you're a middle reliever doesn't mean you CAN'T pitch the ninth...

Posted by: pentagon40 | June 25, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Again, inability of starters too go deep put's undo pressure on the bullpen don't blame Clippard for this one JD Martin's short stint leaves Riggleman no choice but to go his relief corp's,again playing down to our opponents, the O's are horrible but you wouldn't know it when they this team.

Posted by: dargregmag | June 25, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse


How can you possibly blame J.D. Martin? He gave up no earned runs in his "short stint".
He has yet to win a game either because of no hitting support or wretched fielding.

Posted by: gnatman | June 25, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

I can see no good evidence that Riggleman knows how to manage. Time and again he makes mistakes, as many here have pointed out time and again. His comments to the press show very clearly he has a very shallow view of managing. Certainly on the pitching side, the talents of this team from the starters to the bullpen will be underutilized as long as he is manager.

Posted by: gnatman | June 25, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Can't Clippard throw ANYTHING low??? Just begging to be hit for another homer..

Posted by: pentagon40 | June 25, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

A loss with a 5-0 lead against a poor team like the O's will affect the Nats til the all star break...another losing streak could start tonite...

Posted by: pentagon40 | June 25, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Good call Section506. Don't know why the manager couldn't see that it just wasn't Clippard's night. S*cks that the (angel)O's are the beneficiaries.

Posted by: smill411 | June 25, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Ha. Absolute pathetic loss. What a joke.

Posted by: amorris525 | June 25, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Just give up the run and put us all out of misery. This team is almost worst than last year. At least last year I expected them to blow six run leads with t-ball style defense. This year we expected better and are getting served up the same nasty dish. Every pitcher we face is either Cy Young or our defense starts playing like the Bad News Bears. They deserve to lose this game (3 errors?).

Posted by: mastroj | June 25, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

dang...this one stings.

Posted by: Naugatuck-Nats | June 25, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

WTF...I go to the kitchen, come back and post game is going on...

Posted by: pentagon40 | June 25, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I guess they just had to lose on their 4th error. Good job boys. Way to go out, make a statement, and get back in contention. Good night nurse! The Nats are sellers after all.

Posted by: mastroj | June 25, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

i only caught the ninth innings on, Nats blow their chance in the top of the 9th, then why is Clippard brought back out in the bottom of the 9th? Then I realize the Nats already have 3 errors. Sure enough, here comes #4. I think its Riggleman's decision to continue to play Desmond, Guzman and Kenedy at 2nd and short, they need consistency or we will get more games like this one.

Posted by: jtunney1 | June 25, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

The good, the bad, and the ugly. Nyjer, pitching, and defense.

Posted by: marathoner | June 25, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Desmond must go down. He is killing us. No hit. God awful fielding. Not ready for the bigs.

Posted by: AWWNats | June 25, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Haven't posted in months but tonight really was pathetic. Still not sure what Willie Harris is doing on the club, why do you leave Clippard in to start the 9th. Why did you go through almost your entire bullpen in the early innings, its just really frustrating to think we had a chance at decency this season and then have to realize we are pretty much where we were last year. 6-0 lead on the worst team in baseball and we can't handle prosperity. Not enough Jameson's in the cupboard for this one. I am pissed

Posted by: sjm3091 | June 25, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Orlando Hudson has two errors this year. Guzman/Kennedy has 11.

Way to spend $ to upgrade the defense...

Posted by: CJArlington | June 25, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Riggs thought they were "pitched real good again" or it is another tip of the hat to the other team day ......really this is a complete fall back to 2009 welcome 100 losses

Posted by: CBinDC | June 25, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

That was a rough game to lose. Didn't expect them to win a pennant this year and I guess if Desmond is going to learn the hard way, this is the season to do it. He's much better than that and I think the lessons he's learning this year will go a long ways in future seasons. Pitching staff deserved better, but, not to be. Better now than in 2011 and beyond.

Posted by: cokedispatch | June 25, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Desmond does not seem to be LEARNING ...he is doing worse now then at the beginning of the year BOTH hitting and fielding ......and Guzman ......well when does he LEARN

Posted by: CBinDC | June 25, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Ha! Ha! O's win! O's win! O's win!

Posted by: Bethesda_Jack | June 25, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Out at dinner, saw that they were winning 6-0, delighted! Then tuned into MASN on getting home. 7-6 loss, only the Nats could embarrass themselves this badl!!. Otherwise marred an amazing game from Morgan (still 4 for 24 though)....

Posted by: DupontNatsFan | June 25, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Out at dinner, saw that they were winning 6-0, delighted! Then tuned into MASN on getting home. 7-6 loss, only the Nats could embarrass themselves this badly!!. Otherwise marred an amazing game from Morgan (about time).....

Posted by: DupontNatsFan | June 25, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Rig's pulls his starter in the 4th .. the first game of the series. What, was that the seventh game of something? Bozo move.

Plus, Rig's team plays undisciplined, sloppy ball.


Posted by: tslats | June 25, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

This is not even worthy of minor league baseball. To blow a 6 run lead against the worst team in baseball? And it's not so much that they beat the Nats, the Nats beat themselves. The Guzman experiment at second base needs to end. Desmond quite clearly doesn't have the defensive skills to play at the ML level. What is the record for errors by a SS in one season? Any chance Desmond can beat it before the all-star break? Has there ever been a worse in-game strategist than Riggleman. I sure hope he works magic with the players, because managing the actual game is NOT his strength. This is a team in need of a major shake-up. Lets dump Harris and his buddy Riggleman, put Kennedy at 2nd base everyday and see what happens. If he plays better, great, if not trade him for whatever we can get at the trading deadline. Most of all, it's time to send a message to the players, perform or try to find another job that pays millions a year!

Posted by: lesatcsc | June 26, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Might be overreacting on Desmond a bit, gang. He's fourth on the team in RBI, only four behind Zimmerman, for one thing. The league has made adjustments to him, now he has to make adjustments to the league.

Riggs managing of pitchers, though, is absolutely terrible.

Posted by: Section506 | June 26, 2010 12:34 AM | Report abuse

In terms of fielding, Desmond has a .951 Fielding Percentage. Zimmerman has .950. This doesn't even cover range (Desmond is greater), but just errors. That's 16 errors in 324 chances for Ian and 8 errors in 159 chances for the Z-man.

Posted by: Section506 | June 26, 2010 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Just got back from Baltimore. What an abomination.

Listening to 105.7 (Balt. sports talk station), baseball writer Roch Kubotka was chortling over Riggleman's overmanaging. "He was managing like it was the 7th game of the World Series." Why the quick hooks for Slaten and Batista, e.g., and then leaving in Clippard for what, about 80 pitches? Way to fry the bullpen for the next couple of days, Jim. OTOH, waasn't impressed with J.D. Martin either. Tony Plush tried to save him with his second webgem of the night. Too bad Tony P's truly epic game had to end this way.

Can Alberto Gonzalez start some games in the IF now? Would like to see him start at 2B and SS simultaneously if that's possible.

Funny in a really stomach-churning way to hear the O's postgame guys exulting about how this could be the game to turn the O's season around. Might also turn out to be a "defining moment" for the Nats and Riggleman too.

Posted by: CapPeterson1 | June 26, 2010 12:53 AM | Report abuse

More on Desmond's defense. His UZR of 2.5 makes him tied for 5th in all of baseball for shortstops, tied for 3rd in the National League.

Posted by: Section506 | June 26, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

I have to wonder how the team is responding to Riggleman right now.They don't seem to have hard-nosed players,so a kick in the butt from the manager might be in order.And I think,as I did last year,that the guy for the job could be Tim Foli,the former Syracuse manager who is now a bench coach or consultant.He was a tough player who worked with many of these guys in the minors.

Posted by: seanmg | June 26, 2010 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Riggs really outmaneuvered himself last night. You cannot use your lefty relieversnin for one batter each in the 5th and 6th innings. Besides, aren't Burnett's splits better against eighties?

And the official scorer needs to change that last error, it wasn't a great throw by Guz but it was catchable. E-3 in my book. Dunn sets his feEt early and cannot adjust to the throw.

Posted by: comish4lif | June 26, 2010 7:26 AM | Report abuse

I went right to bed after the 4th and game deciding error last night, just unbelievable no way you lose that game,again the starter's can't give the pen a break you should not expect the relievers to bail you out every time. The middle infield of this team is boardering on awfull, still think Kennedy/Guzman is better than Hudson? Riggleman did overmanage last night but poor starting pitching(again!) backed him into a corner, still the error's are absolutely killing this team, they need to win the next two games losing a series to these sorry bumm's would be inexcusable.

Posted by: dargregmag | June 26, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Last week Adam wrote that this year's team essentially does not resemble last year's team, despite the recent troubles. I wonder if he is beginning to rethink.

Posted by: paulkp | June 26, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

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