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Game 77 discussion thread: Nationals at Braves

Manager Jim Riggleman made Ivan Rodriguez the No. 2 hitter in tonight's lineup for several reasons. First, Cristian Guzman is out with the same neck ailment that held him out of yesterday's game. (Guzman will be available as a pinch hitter tonight.) Second, he wanted to give Alberto Gonzalez a shot at starting. Third, he wanted to change up the lineup and perhaps squeeze more runs out of an offense that has not produced to its potential.

"We're just trying to move it around a little bit, trying to find something that helps throughout the ballgame," Riggleman said. "See if we can get a nice flow in the lineup and see if we can win a ballgame here."

Riggleman typically prefers Rodriguez hitting sixth in order to protect Josh Willingham. With Roger Bernadina hitting well and for some power lately, Riggleman felt content to bat Bernadina sixth and move up Rodriguez. Riggleman said he liked Rodriguez's "game awareness" in the second slot. Rodriguez's .330 on-base percentage this year is actually identical to Guzman's.

Regardless of their lineup, even with Stephen Strasburg on the mound, the Nationals face a stiff test against Braves starter Tim Hudson. He ranks seventh in the National League with a 2.54 ERA, and opponents are batting .223 against him. "You got to remember," Braves Manager Bobby Cox said, "our guy is pretty good, too."

Strasburg-Hudson, which will be broadcast nationally on ESPN 2, promises to be a gem. Talk about the game right here.

By Adam Kilgore  |  June 28, 2010; 6:45 PM ET
 
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I don't subscribe to the theory that a slow right-handed hitting catcher who is tied for third in MLB in hitting into double plays should necessarily bat second.

http://baseball.realgm.com/

Posted by: CJArlington | June 28, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Pudge has quite a few hits to right field this year. Hopefully Nyjer can get on tonight and Pudge can get a couple more hits to right. We'll see.

Posted by: marathoner | June 28, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

thats inexcusable

Posted by: JDB1 | June 28, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Pudge won't get a chance to GIDP, but Zimmerman will. Morgan picked off, Rodriguez walks, Zimmerman GIDP in the top of the 1st; We've seen that before.

Posted by: BinM | June 28, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

God Desmond is looking clueless at the plate.

As for Nyjer, well, he continues to prove last year was a fluke. This team cannot afford to give outs away yet he continues to do so. RIP T Plush.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | June 28, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

May 23, 1998 - Kerry Wood debut vs. Braves
1st inning
Chipper Jones - HR
Andres Galarraga - HR

Bring on Strasburg.

Posted by: ebayjim | June 28, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Kev29 | June 28, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

If Riggleman is serious about fielding, get rid of Kennedy or Guzman and start Gonzo at second.

That DP was sweet, and that guy can play. I'd like to see him locked up long term right now as a utility guy.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=124

Posted by: CJArlington | June 28, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to join late - i thought this was on ESPN, not the deuce, which is blacked out in DC anyway. Fortunately I had it recorded. Coming in, with SS and Hudson pitching, I was thinking this could be a sub-2 hour game!

First inning is all I've seen so far, but Pudge in the 2 spot draws 9 pitches from Hudson (plus 3 throw overs) which is good to see someone make the pitcher work early. On a hot day to boot.

I'll join in on the boos to Nyjer who just is not using his head -- he truly is clueless on the bases, and I've tried to give him benefit of the doubt. He is absolutely guessing, which is NOT the way for a baserunner. Take a shorter lead-off, if you're so uncertain...

Nice throw hammer to the plate. Chipper had a good shot on that one to opposite field.

Posted by: mo_dc | June 28, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone else tired of Bob Carpenter saying "he jacks it" for every routine fly out the Nats hit?

Posted by: Nonno | June 28, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone else tired of Bob Carpenter saying "he jacks it" for every routine fly out the Nats hit?

Posted by: Nonno | June 28, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about the double post. Zimm has been looking pretty lost at the plate lately as well. We're really in a funk right now.

Posted by: Nonno | June 28, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

@CJ:
Unfortunately, AGonz has pretty much proven he's nothing more than a utility IF over the last two+ years. He'll never hit well enough to be a regular, is 'sketchy' as a regular fielder, and he's out of options (so he can't be sent down for a replacement). I like him, but the Nationals can't count on him as a regular, imo.

Posted by: BinM | June 28, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

It is just weak ab after weak ab. Nothing hit solid. Whole team seems to be hanging their heads except Dunn laughing with Glaus. You wonder if the stigma of losing with this team will ever go away.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | June 28, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Strasburg seems to have settled down a bit. Let's get him some runs.

Posted by: Nonno | June 28, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad to see Dunn go the other way, or at least someone who is struggling actually make an adjustment against this guy...

Posted by: mo_dc | June 28, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Guys look really focused in the field tonight - there's a post-team meeting improvement.

Posted by: Kev29 | June 28, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

>Is anyone else tired of Bob Carpenter saying "he jacks it" for every routine fly out the Nats hit?
Posted by: Nonno

Don't like his jacks. But anything to do with a jamming a hitter, I'm all for. I miss those days with Wimpee, it was all about jammage, jamjob, jam sandwwwich>

Posted by: Brue | June 28, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Historically, Hudson has all but owned the Nationals; As a moral victory, at least they're driving up his pitch count tonight.

Posted by: BinM | June 28, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Please, no more Mark Lerner interviews. For as long as they own the team. "I inherited a bunch of money. Yuck Yuck Yuck."

Posted by: markfromark | June 28, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

99 to Hinske. Now he's working the changeup. 90 mph. NASTY

Posted by: Brue | June 28, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I am actually for no more Debbie Taylor interviews of anyone!!!

Only thing I am hoping for is that the Braves will be into their bullpen soon and that has to be better than facing Hudson

Posted by: sjm3091 | June 28, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Anyone keeping track of how many innings it's been since the Nats scored a run while SS was pitching?

I swear he oughta sue the entire team for nonsupport.

Posted by: gilbertbp | June 28, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Although, through 6IP, Hudson has allowed 3 (now 4) hits, three walks, in front of three (now two) errors, with 102 pitches thrown, with no runs allowed.

Posted by: BinM | June 28, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Left handed Bernadina should be batting second.

Posted by: cr8oncsu | June 28, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Leave the kid in one more inning. It won't kill him....gotta hand it to Hudson though...extremely tough tonite...

Posted by: pentagon40 | June 28, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Strasberg should be batting. More likely that the bullpen will leak more than 1 run in the next 2 innings than Kennedy drive in 1.

Posted by: paulkp | June 28, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Riggleman has comletely lost it. Why bunt Bernardina to 3rd with AG and Strasburg coming up. Maybe Strasburg can bail him out and get a hit.

Posted by: Nonno | June 28, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Answering my question: They've scored 1 run in the last 19-2/3 innings that SS has been pitching.

Posted by: gilbertbp | June 28, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Make that 20.

Posted by: gilbertbp | June 28, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

I feel like I'm watching the World Cup with all this scoring

Posted by: SCNatsFan | June 28, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Having said that SS should have stayed in the game, I agree that sacrificing Desmond is silly.

Posted by: paulkp | June 28, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

LOL. Are you kidding me desmond? This team has returned to the unwatchable phase. Unbelievable.

Posted by: amorris525 | June 28, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Even if the Nats escape giving up no runs....Desmond Must Not Start tomorrow...if he does Riggleman must go.....

Posted by: pentagon40 | June 28, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Nevermind what I said about the fielding. Easy to say about someone after an error, but I don't think Desmond is ever going to cut it with the glove. Sad, because he's got all the other tools.

This is going to be another late/off season of cleaning house.

Posted by: Kev29 | June 28, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Nyjer Morgan has no brain.

Posted by: SorenKierkegaard | June 28, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I ask this question, seriously - is Desmond a major league short stop or is he someone we as Nats fans want to be good?

Posted by: SCNatsFan | June 28, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, after seeing that reaction by Zimmerman after catching Morgan's inexplicable throw, wondering if were going to have our own rendition of Upton vs. Longoria after this inning.

Posted by: HotNats | June 28, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Nyjer Morgan has no brain.

Posted by: SorenKierkegaard

But his main flaw is that he has no arm.

Posted by: Brue | June 28, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Okay, the Desmond hate is getting utterly ridiculous. It may shock everyone to learn that rookies make mistakes. How many mistakes do rookies make you may ask? Lots of them, that's why veteran players have so much more value than rookies. On MOST teams, a rookie splits time with a veteran, but not on the Washington Nationals, where rookies are the starters all the time.

What is utterly, utterly, ridiculously, inexcusable, is a veteran centerfielder who REPEATEDLY refuses to throw to the cut-off man. What is the result of these throws? Constantly, missing and letting the runner advance. If someone deserves to be benched, it is Nyjer Morgan.

Posted by: Section506 | June 28, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Mouthbreathing confederate Braves fans think they got to Strasburg tonight - but their team beat our other 8 players. Looks like it was Moron Night at Turner Field, just like it is everytime Stras throws at Nats Park. High on celebrity worshipers and low on baseball fans.

Posted by: Kev29 | June 28, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Riggleman is an absolute idiot. Second SS game in a row that he leaves SS in to bat with a runner on third. There is no defense and no one pays for their mistakes. If Rizzo is a real GM, Riggleman is history and error makers are running 2 miles for every error.

Posted by: navboss | June 28, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Nobody in the outfield has an arm and nobody in the middle infield knows how to turn a double play of play any sort of defense.

Posted by: casser | June 28, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, after seeing that reaction by Zimmerman after catching Morgan's inexplicable throw, wondering if were going to have our own rendition of Upton vs. Longoria after this inning.

Posted by: HotNats | June 28, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

We NEED Zimmerman to get in morgan's face and tell him to start thinking like a baseball player. This is a sick joke.

Posted by: egoodman8 | June 28, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey, why not burn your bullpen?

Posted by: Section506 | June 28, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Stras may wish he'd held out.

Posted by: markfromark | June 28, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

This looks like the Keystone Kops...

"Lastings" Morgan doesn't know where to throw the ball... and the it just goes down hill from there.

Dump him. I don't care if they did make a bobblehead, he is KILLING this team.

It was nice to see Zimmerman scream an expletive and also see the look on Strasburg's face. Maybe there's some emotion and fire in those bellies afterall.

As far as Strasburg goes, this is what to expect. When he throws, opponents are going to send their ace up against him. Lack of run production will doom an otherwise wonderful performance.

Welcome to the Natinals, Mr. Strasburg.

Posted by: medic2010 | June 28, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Is this a good time to mention that we're 23rd in payroll, 21st in attendance and about to be 24th in the overall standings.

We get what you don't pay for, Lerners. Spend some godd*mn money you cheap b*stards!

Posted by: Kev29 | June 28, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Clink, Clank, Clunk. I was going to jump on Nyjer & use the "Godfather II - Michael to Fredo" speech, but he's not alone here. The entire team is in the tank defensively. G'night, Gracie; This isn't bad luck, this is as Rizzo stated, Bad Baseball.

Posted by: BinM | June 28, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Morgan's inexplainable throws are beyond the point of exceptability. Oh, and great way to start the game, getting picked off first. Sit Morgan, please Riggleman.

Posted by: jtunney1 | June 28, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

A month ago I was feeling sorry for Bobby Cox, stayed too long. Silly me. I wouldn't send Desmond down, but I'd give him a day off. And sit Morgan, start Morse in right.

Posted by: markfromark | June 28, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

My gosh... it looks like Little League.... They are batting around...

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100 losses is looking more and more realistic EVERY time the Natinals take the field.

Posted by: medic2010 | June 28, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

although my hope for this team getting better is pretty low right now, lets see the Nats start Bernadina in Center and Morse in Right. Morgan - late game pinch base runner (although we still have to deal with him getting thrown out on the base paths).

Posted by: jtunney1 | June 28, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Time to wake up and see the Lerner ownership for the farce that it is. People need to stop pretending this is a major league operation and stop buying tickets. Either the team gets new ownership or it should start over in another city. In the meantime, Strasburg should be traded--for his sake--before this team gets inside his head and ruins his potential.

Posted by: pkaplan1 | June 28, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Convinced now that Riggleman is incapable of being a real MLB manager.
Right after a closed door meeting, his knuckleheaded CF gets picked off in the first, and later throws to the wrong base.

Yes, Nyjer has the baseball IQ of a high school sophomore. But worse, Riggleman is just an enabler.

They've just completely ruined my Strasmas :-(

Posted by: Sunderland | June 28, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

And sit Morgan, start Morse in right.

Posted by: markfromark

-----------------------------------------
I've just been wondering why that idea hasn't taken hold yet, seems over-the-top completely obvious, as it has been for the past month, if not longer...

(typed as Morgan strikes out... grrrrr)

Posted by: HotNats | June 28, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Dibble's really hating on Morgan. Then, "I'm not trying to rip on the guy..."

He's just saying what everyone here's been saying.

Posted by: gilbertbp | June 28, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I had to turn it off. I just can't watch another such poor performance. Let Desmond go down and learn how to field in the minors. And is Morgan just plain stupid? A dumb pickoff and a throw to the wrong place both in one game? With all the talk today about accountability, it is time to see some actions in that direction.

This is just too painful to watch anymore.

Posted by: NatsFly | June 28, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'm willing to bid adieu to the Nyjer Morgan experiment as well, and I'm not one to cut bait lightly, you all will recall. I just don't know what to do with a player who over and over and over chooses not to throw it to the cut off man with disastrous results.

Let's start experimenting with Bernadina in center and using Nyjer as a back-up/pinch-runner until non-tendering him in the off-season. If he catches back on fire, awesome, but let's stop waiting for it.

As for Desmond's errors, the kid will learn what to do when the runner is in front of him and the ball is skipping along the ground, but I agree with those who say reduce the pressure by playing him less. Let's see some more Gonzo at short stop. At least the defense will be better.

Posted by: Section506 | June 28, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Okay, the Desmond hate is getting utterly ridiculous. It may shock everyone to learn that rookies make mistakes. How many mistakes do rookies make you may ask? Lots of them, that's why veteran players have so much more value than rookies. On MOST teams, a rookie splits time with a veteran, but not on the Washington Nationals, where rookies are the starters all the time.

Posted by: Section506 | June 28, 2010 9:28 PM

I want to take the Boz glass half-full stance with Desmond too. I root for the kid every single night. But he's been error prone at every level. Now he's error prone in his first 88 MLB games. Give up on him? Of course not - but I just feel that it's more likely that he is not going to be a reliable fielding shortstop. I hope for the best.

Posted by: Kev29 | June 28, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I loved me some Nyjer last year, but man, I've gotta jump on board here. This is ridiculous between him and Desmond in the field lately.

If you want a change of attitude, you gotta make a change. I tend to think the gang is quick to pull the hook on players in a slump or spell, but this June has shown some things we don't want to admit about this club. Maybe just some players aren't the ones you want to count on?

I love Desmond, but maybe some time on the pine or AAA to just get back to himself is the call. He's pressing big time.

Posted by: mo_dc | June 28, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Morgan is stupid. Witness his "plush" an Elvis routine. But. morw scarey, is how the team jumped on that. There is no adult leadership in the licker room.

Posted by: navboss | June 28, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Some guys just seem to react to failure by ramping up the aggressiveness, like doing more of what got them in trouble will get them out of it. You would think that if they could realize they need to be smarter it would be a start, but it seems they rarely do.

Posted by: markfromark | June 28, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

TERMINATE THIS BLOG AND BOYCOTT THE NATS!!!

Posted by: dovelevine | June 28, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Agreed Mark,

Looking at poker as an example, it's amazing how many players go "on tilt" after taking bad loss and then play super-aggressive, rather than taking the time to consider why they lost in the first place and using that knowledge to build on.

Posted by: HotNats | June 28, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Pulling a line from Crash Davis:

"We need a rain out!"

That would give us a day without a L...

Posted by: mo_dc | June 28, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I had no problem with Nyjer's Elvis or Plus routine. This is a game played by young men and I think it is fine for them to have some silly fun. The silver fox was just that. I DO have a problem with his idiot blunders on the field. Loved the spark he provided last year and would love to see it again, but I think it was a fluke. I think we are seeing why he was traded to us (not that the trade cost us anything worth having).

Posted by: NatsFly | June 28, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

"As for Desmond's errors, the kid will learn what to do when the runner is in front of him and the ball is skipping along the ground"
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Huh? You learn this in High School and Rookie Ball

Posted by: JDB1 | June 28, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Seeing that announcement about voting Nats for the All-Star game begs the question:

"Are they sure they have to send a Nat?"

Posted by: mo_dc | June 28, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

at some point Strasburg gotta get in his teammates face and tell them to stop sucking

Posted by: chillsonic | June 28, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

40 guys on the roster and apparently only one of them can play at the major league level...and despite a valiant effort to go out and score his own RBI (since no one else can knock in a runner on 3rd) - he can't be expected to win all alone.

Disgusting

Posted by: burnedonce | June 28, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Watching the Nats is like Groundhog Day. Nothing ever changes. There's no accountability. Guys make the same dumb mistakes over and over. Nothing Changes!!
Nyjer Morgan is one of the dumbest baseball minds to ever stumble down the pike. There is no reason to bat him leadoff cause he'll just get thrown out or picked off over and over again. And defensively--well the guy really doesn't understand the game. Period. I don't think he even knows the rules.
Desmond is a minor league shortstop. Poor Stras. He'd be undefeated on a real major league baseball team. Riggleman has no backbone and no imagination. And Rizzo has put all these players on the team and the Lerners-- well what's the point--right?
It's Groundhog Day. Tune in tomorrow for more of the same. Only without the Bill Murray humor.

Posted by: dovelevine | June 28, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Dibbs with his tatts expounding on how bad Desmond is on defense without actually saying his name. The defense really is pitiful, and if Desmond is as dumb as he appears from these post-game interviews, there's no hope at SS.

Riggs talking about Stras now - 'not focusing on pitch count w'him' 'Again that's Chipper Jones, and that's what he does to you.'

Like gets you fired.

Posted by: Brue | June 28, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Okay, the Desmond hate is getting utterly ridiculous. It may shock everyone to learn that rookies make mistakes. How many mistakes do rookies make you may ask? Lots of them, that's why veteran players have so much more value than rookies...
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But if you look at Boswell's article, the veterans made almost as many errors in June as the rookie.

Rookies may make mistakes, but you can't pair him with veterans who also make mistakes.

Posted by: Vze2sr66 | June 28, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

1. Nyjer may be a great athlete, but he's no baseball player. He has no baseball instincts.

2. Desmond might not be a MLB shortstop. Probably better suited to 2B. That's assuming he can hit on the MLB level, which he hasn't shown yet.

3. I'm really worried about our middle infielders next year. Gonna have to get some free agents. Ones who can field.

4. Bobby Valentine is available. Only half-joking.

Posted by: Sal143 | June 28, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

1. Nyjer may be a great athlete, but he's no baseball player. He has no baseball instincts.

2. Desmond might not be a MLB shortstop. Probably better suited to 2B. That's assuming he can hit on the MLB level, which he hasn't shown yet.

3. I'm really worried about our middle infielders next year. Gonna have to get some free agents. Ones who can field.

4. Am I the only one who just doesn't see Storen as a closer, at least not yet at least?

5. Burnett sucks. Has all year.

6. Bobby Valentine is available. Only half-joking.

Posted by: Sal143 | June 28, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Riggleman just posted tomorrow's lineup:

Nyjer Morgan CF
Willie Harris LF
C. Guzman RF
W. Nieves C
Adam Kennedy 2B
Ian Desmond SS
Gonzo 3B
Sean Burnett 1B
Stammen P

Posted by: swanni | June 28, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

It's not hate on Desmond, its wondering if he can play the position and be a leader for us. Error, sure they come, but at one point to you watch the constant weak abs and errors on easy plays and think my God, this is what we handed the position to and he's not up to the task. The errors he is making don't seem like because he's young, they seem like he can't field a routing ground ball like major leaguers are expected to do. Will he get better? I sure hope so because its not like we have anyone better to trot out there.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | June 28, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Riggleman calls it his "half full" lineup

Posted by: swanni | June 28, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Oh well. At least the Philthies lost (silver linings and all).

G'nite!

Posted by: HotNats | June 28, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Desmond is a failed experiment. Nyjer fits the same category. Fundamental baseball should be learned in the minors. The consideration was that Desmond's bat would compensate for his errors and that Morgan's fielding and speed would make up for his lack of power. The options at second base are just as troubling in Guzman/Kennedy. We are stuck holding a bad hand for 2010.

As for this game itself, welcome Strassburg to the epic failure of our batters to produce runs and our defense to back you up. It is getting rather tiresome in every aspect.

Right now Bernardina and Zimmerman and are the only position players who should not be contacting real estate agents this winter.

Posted by: driley | June 28, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Post of the year:

Riggleman just posted tomorrow's lineup:

Nyjer Morgan CF
Willie Harris LF
C. Guzman RF
W. Nieves C
Adam Kennedy 2B
Ian Desmond SS
Gonzo 3B
Sean Burnett 1B
Stammen P

Posted by: swanni

Drink up, ladies and gents. Hold the Maalox tonight. Straight bourbon, neat, and lots of it, barkeep. We have to watch this team for three more months.

Posted by: Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me | June 28, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

This is probably the worst lineup in the last 50 years of professional baseball. How can you put this garbage out on the field all at the same time, especially after this debocle today?

Posted by: egoodman8 | June 28, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

@egoodman8:

I think it's called satire. Look it up.

Posted by: Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me | June 28, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Are these guys really a "team" in the strictest sense of the word, or do we just have a bunch of guys wearing uniforms that look alike? I love being able to take my kids to the ballpark, but it's just getting too painful. I feel like just going to see them play the strongest teams so that we can see the best the league has to offer in action.

Posted by: p-man | June 28, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Strasburg is just counting down the games and years until he can bolt this joke of a team and join the Yankees. Man he'd be undefeated if he was with them now.
Rizzo, Kasten, Lerners, Riggleman take a bow. Good job guys.

Posted by: dovelevine | June 28, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Riggleman post-game: "I'd like to have nine of 'em". He was referring to Ian Desmond, whom he really, really admires.

Now that would make a very interesting team to watch.

Posted by: JohnRDC | June 28, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Nyjer Morgan needs to take a trip down the yellow brick road to the Wizard and ask for a brain.

Posted by: dovelevine | June 28, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Some clubs are real teams. Others are experiments. Guess which one Mr. Rizzo has put together.

Posted by: dovelevine | June 28, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

1. Nyjer may be a great athlete, but he's no baseball player. He has no baseball instincts.

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Now, see, I don't think his problem is instinct. It's not "bad instincts" to bypass two to three men standing between you and the bag, that's a decision. And you may make that decision once or twice, thinking you've got it in you to make the throw. But after doing it over and over and over and over and failing, you're making a very bad decision and you should not be trusted.

Posted by: Section506 | June 28, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Bad team sure, horrible manager absolutly however here is the real travesty..., because there is no baseball culture in the local sports talk media the LernerStanK will continue to get away with this major rip-off year after year after year. There is not one person on either TEM or JFK that will spend enough time every day blasting this team and the lame ownership. So basically the LernerStanKs will continue to get a free ride and as long as Phillie, Mets, Braves etc, etc fans show-up the cash flow will continue.

Case in point; I posted 5 Club Seats in section 213 for Saturdays SS start against the Mets at 6PM on StubHub, they sold within 45 minutes at full price plus my 5% markup.

Posted by: TippyCanoe | June 28, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

@Tippy: I think you underpriced your product. See StanK/Lerners/BusinessPlan/2007-2010:

Let's not forget: These clowns were third last year in MLB in operating profit, according to Forbes' annual listing.

Posted by: Sunshine_Bobby_Carpenter_Is_Too_Pessimistic_For_Me | June 28, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

"Is anyone else tired of Bob Carpenter saying "he jacks it" for every routine fly out the Nats hit? "

What I'm really sick of is when Bob "future imperfect" Carpenter yelps out "double-play ball" on a grounder hit to one of our infielders.

You're a play-by-play man, Bob, not a fortune teller -- you're supposed to be calling what you see, not what you think is going to happen.

The call is: "Grounder to short..." and then if events warrant, you can finish with "... on to first -- double-play!".

Posted by: joebleux | June 28, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

That DP was sweet, and that guy can play. I'd like to see him locked up long term right now as a utility guy.

Posted by: CJArlington |

I think several of the players should be locked up.

Posted by: djorl | June 28, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

That DP was sweet, and that guy can play. I'd like to see him locked up long term right now as a utility guy.

Posted by: CJArlington |

I think several of the players should be locked up.

Posted by: djorl | June 28, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

How much improvement can we expect from Desmond?

Who knows, but one truism about the very good shortstops is that they take over their starting jobs in the MLB when they are very young--because they have demonstrated they have the arm and the range to play this very difficult position. Typically, they make a lot of errors in their first year or two in the bigs, and then tend (not always of course) to become more consistent defensively. Hitting is always the big variable: assuming that they are not good hitters to start with, some eventually become good at it, like Omar Vizquel; others never quite get it (e.g., the legendary Mario Mendoza).

Let's compare Ian to another MLB shortstop
--his teammate, Cristian Guzman. Guzzie took over the SS job in Minnesota in 1999 at the age of 21. By the time he was 24, in 2002 (Desi's age), he was in his 4th year on the job. His error totals from 1999 to 2002: 24, 22, 21, 12. Note that he halved his season error totals over this period. (He then averaged about 13 errors a year for the next three years.) Over this 199-2002 period, coincidentally or not, Miinnesota's win total climbed from 64 to 93.

Desi, in his rookie year, is 24 (old for someone touted as a future All-Star SS). His error total so far: 19 in less than half a season. Of course, I've left out a comparison of range factors (don't have them for Guzzie), but I find it hard to believe that Tom Kelley would employ someone as his everyday SS who didn't have at least solid average MLB range.

My point? Odds seem to be against Desi becoming an All-Star-caliber SS. In fact, we'd be very lucky if he put together a career as good as Guzman's (a two-time All-Star, btw).

Posted by: CapPeterson1 | June 28, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Okay, the Desmond hate is getting utterly ridiculous.

Sorry, but I think it's on the mark. He's not that young, and if he hasn't learned how to make routine plays in the field, it's not going to happen. I had really high hopes for him as a hitter, but he's nowhere near having enough of a bat to make up for the errors. The correct answer at short for the Nats is "none of the above".

Posted by: InTheCheapSeats | June 29, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Tell me if you've heard this one before:

A lanky pitching phenom comes of age in Southern California. He signs with the Washington Nationals and sets the town on its ear. His team stinks on toast.

The classy kid never calls out his mortal teammates. The rookie posts a sparkling 1.88 ERA, but wins just 5 games and loses 9, as his sorry team goes 49-102.

If you think 1907 was bad for Walter Johnson, consider 1916. He had a 1.90 ERA AND LOST 20 GAMES.

SS must be channeling the Big Train:

Imagine if his team could catch and hit?


Posted by: Drew8 | June 29, 2010 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Imagine if his team could catch and hit?

We all could imagine this. But imagination with this team as it is, catching and hitting is just a fantasy.

I did like Riggleman's answer to the question about pulling Strasberg before the 7th.
"We don't have anyone better to put out there". How true and how telling.

Posted by: M20832 | June 29, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Just realized that lineup was a joke. I was so angry last night I barely looked at it. I just came on here to vent.

@Sunshine: No need to be a wiseass.

Posted by: egoodman8 | June 29, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

No reason not to let Desmond play out the season, see what he can do with himself. But I do think he needs a break because he's just butchering the position.

Posted by: markfromark | June 29, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

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