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Game 79 discussion thread: Nationals at Braves

The Nationals have not won a series on the road since May 12, the day Roger Bernadina turned into a young Barry Bonds and the Nationals took the rubber game in New York against the Mets. That's more than a month and a half of a 5-21 record on the road, including three sweeps.

Tonight against the Braves, the Nationals have an opportunity to reverse that and gather momentum heading into the All-Star break. Taking the series against the first-place Braves here in Atlanta will provide a nice reward after a rotten June. The Nationals play 10 home games heading into the break, and they are 20-16 at Nationals Park. With a series win against the Braves, they could catapult themselves into a strong first-half finish.

It will come down to J.D. Martin, who quietly has lowered his ERA to just 3.03 but has an 0-3 record to show for it. He'll face Jair Jurrjens, who is also 0-3 but has a 6.38 ERA. Last night, the Nationals played one of their best games of the year. Can they do it again tonight? Talk about it right here.

By Adam Kilgore  |  June 30, 2010; 7:10 PM ET
 
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Wow -- a full half inning and no one is ripping on Nyjer's "not-so-surprise" bunt right to Chipper Jones? C'mon people!

For those of you not in DC, tonight is about as perfect of a night weather-wise as you could imagine. Watching Nyjer do another robot-like idiotic bunt right to the pulled-in 3rd baseman to START the game (again) is already getting me heated enough to feel like the last week (90F+, 90%+ humidity!)

Arrrrgh! What are we doing?

Posted by: mo_dc | June 30, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

At this rate, Martin will be good for about three innings; the Braves are wearing him out just by standing at the plate. I'm suprised he got out of the 1st with only one run allowed.

Yikes!

Posted by: BinM | June 30, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gang-yup, it's official:my happiness is dependent on the Nationals...and evidently, NJ and all of you. Vowed I was gonna stay off line tonight, comment-wise but....ahh well, here I am. And Away we Go!
I'm not a Carp/Dibs hater...neither a fan...but jeez, NO comments on what looked like some good pitches called balls....from 0-2 count to a walk. PLEASE....the GAME, guys...especially in the 1st!
Also....yea, moDC..and Hammer looked like he had a shot at HIS ball;
P.S.-as per Nats24 in a post game comment last night (apologies if it was one of you other gang members)...it's Gozno!(nice ring, eh?) And here's hoping Gozno gives a reasonable facsimile, performance-wise, to last night.
Go Gozno!
OK....watch the game, Zendo!!
Go Nats!!!

Posted by: zendo | June 30, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Mo: if it's any satisfaction, I posted on another blog, as it happened---- "WHY do they let Nyjer bunt to get on? He's rarely successful, certainly not at the .250 clip he manages swinging away. Gives away an out." Also, if it's any comfort, Zuckerman said today that Nyjer's time may be short if he doesn't get things straightened out.

Posted by: Slidell | June 30, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Jurrjens is 'painting the black' early - Not overpowering, just hitting locations, much like Stammen did last night.

Posted by: BinM | June 30, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gang-BinM...did it seem like J.D. wasn't getting the same calls in the first? (I thought he had a few nice pitches called balls).
Go Gozno!
Go Nats!!!

Posted by: zendo | June 30, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Carp: "3-4-5 coming up!"

Reminded me of the line in Fletch:
"Oh thank god...the police!"

(FYI, the police dude was in cahoots with the crook)

Posted by: mo_dc | June 30, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

@Zendo:
JD had some 'on-the-black' calls go against him, but when you throw 86-87 vs 92-93 (Jurrjens), those 'on the black' pitches are just in the HP umpires' vision for a split-second too long. If you give an ump a chance to think, he'll rule against you.

Posted by: BinM | June 30, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

@mo_dc:
Not watching, but listening (Charlie & Dave). Has Crapenter mentioned St.Louis yet?

Posted by: BinM | June 30, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Martin is all but done - Riggleman needs to get the bullpen active.

Posted by: BinM | June 30, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Jurrjens is pitching great tonight compared to those rehab starts. And it always stings when the pitcher drives home a run.

Posted by: asset | June 30, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gang-for sure Bin...guess my real complaint was Carp/Dibs not sayin' a word about it...Carp busy talking about the high humidity letting a fly ball carry FURTHER than normal (huh?)...the "heavy air" somehow getting underneath it and keeping it aloft. Blabblabblab...the GAME, fellas..especially in the (then) 1st inning!
And Jair.....well,at least he's a legit good pitcher we're making look un-hittable...
Go Nats!!!

Posted by: zendo | June 30, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

How come when the Nats don't get hits, the hitters are bums, and when the other team gets hits, the Nats pitchers are bums? And vice versa.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | June 30, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

bunt to bring up Morgan to come through with a clutch hit.......

Posted by: jtunney1 | June 30, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

okay, good eye Morgan. Come on Roger !!!!

Posted by: jtunney1 | June 30, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

OK, so Martin eakes his way through 5IP. At 96IP, he's gotta be done; Down 0-3, get Batista ready, and hope for some offensive behaviour from the Nationals (one way or the other).

Posted by: BinM | June 30, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Carp: "All right, here they go again... the big guns: 3-4-5, Zimmerman, Dunn, Willingham"


My head: "Oh thank god... the police!"

Posted by: mo_dc | June 30, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Martin hit a double in the 3rd inning? With two men on in the 4th, Riggleman has him bunting? Just to move up two players, have two outs and Morgan coming up?

Ok...Morgan walks, Bernadina hits a weak grounder to their 2nd baseman. Inning over. Why didn't Riggleman let Martin hit? To me, it wasn't a smart decision to have Martin bunt with one out when he had hit a double off Jurrjens.

Posted by: M20832 | June 30, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

D'oh! Meant 96 pitches thrown (PT), not innings pitched (IP) for Martin.

Posted by: BinM | June 30, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

The ball does carry further in the high humidity.

I guess I understand your point about talking about the game in the first inning, but they always complain about balls and strikes. I also noticed they said nothing about it and was pleasantly surprised.

Posted by: amorris525 | June 30, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Sec3mysofa,

I assume you're posing this as a general baseball question. Or are you suggesting that there's a fan base somewhere (with a higher Sec3mysofa-to-average-fan ratio than ours) that does not succumb to this fallacy?

Posted by: CapPeterson1 | June 30, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Bases loaded, none out.

Anyone else wondering if we end up getting zero runs out of it?

Posted by: gilbertbp | June 30, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Ok...bases loaded, no outs top of the 6th. Can the Nats please score some runs? Please.........

Posted by: M20832 | June 30, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

"thank god... the Police!"
(you know, Sting, Andy Summers, et al)

Bases loaded, no outs!
C'mon - let's get some in here!

(groan - double play on first pitch!?)

Posted by: mo_dc | June 30, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

15 dp's for Pudge this season. What a rally killer. C'mon Guzman! Guzman walks, AG up. C'mon Gozno! Just a hit!

Posted by: M20832 | June 30, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

M20832:
Martin's 2B came with nobody on; With runners on base & less than two out, the only pitchers who should be able to 'swing away' are Stammen & Livan. Every other pitcher probably has a standing order to sacrifice.

Posted by: BinM | June 30, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Bases loaded, no outs, one run.

I'm done. Good night, everyone.

Posted by: gilbertbp | June 30, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gang-well, Gozno shoulda been at the plate for a score...s.o. or not...Oh no, Gozno....
Go Nats!!!

Posted by: zendo | June 30, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Another great display of Nats baseball IQ. Why doesnt Dunn score from 3rd on a wild pitch ? And of course Gonzales strikes out on the next pitch. Why do the Nats continue to make these mistakes ?

Posted by: jtunney1 | June 30, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Why was Dunn two feet off the bag with Jones 15 feet away? What are the Nats paying Listach for? Dunn should have scored on that wild pitch!!!!!
Poor Gozno can't lay off thos low and away pitches....one run with bases loaded and no outs. Reverting back to pathetic.

Posted by: M20832 | June 30, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Sheesh...AG swings at pitches that aren't even in the same zip code as home plate and strikes out. After his 4-4 last night, he's back to his old form.

Posted by: thepostischeap | June 30, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

BinM, a "standing" order to sac bunt? This is agressive ball playing?
Just unbelieveable....loser mentality.

Posted by: M20832 | June 30, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

But honestly, who can argue with the Lerners' great deal--$14 for a hot dog, soda and chips. enjoy!

Posted by: pkaplan1 | June 30, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Great D Hammer!!

Posted by: M20832 | June 30, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gang-on that humidity thing, here's a quick quote-although I found opinions on both sides..."Humidity.Air with high humidity is less dense, or thinner, than dry air.But this effect so slight it it would only account for a long ball traveling a few inches farther on a humid day.There is, however, a significant and unexpected effect of humidity.According to Professor Robert Adair, the dean of baseball physicists, a baseball in a humid environment is actually heavier and less elastic than a dry ball, and, therefore, cannot be hit as far.The exact amount of this effect- based on the data we've seen, we estimate a 400 ft shot on a day with average humidity would carry 415 ft on a very dry day with low humidity."...
From a site for sports bettors, no less!
A "livelier" topic than our offense, eh?
Sigh...
Go Nats!!!

Posted by: zendo | June 30, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Nice pitch Peralta!

Posted by: M20832 | June 30, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gang-and lets not forget that some of our most memorable wins were comebacks in Atlanta late!
Right?
Go Nats!!!

Posted by: zendo | June 30, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Morgan gets on with a bunt!! Maybe the Nats do have a chance. Just hope he doesn't get picked off.

Posted by: M20832 | June 30, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Not hitting in clutch situations and their record against Jurjens is very poor Jurjens has an ERA of under two versus the Nats in seven starts,wonder if Rick Eck had a skull session with the line up before the game? A little worried about my Nats at this point, seems like they're a little too casual given the current state of this teams won-lost record. I don't see the intensisty you should see in a team mired in a losing streak like they are especially after the way they were swept by the worst team in baseball.The one question we all should be asking is who takes it upon himself to give this team an "edge"? who has that bulldog/pit bull attitude that damn we ain't taking this sh#t no more, but sadly i don't see it, this we'll be allright kumbaya nonsense is exactly why this team is 14 and 29 since they were five games over five hundred.

Posted by: dargregmag | June 30, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Sigh...another dp. With Morgan going to the ground 15 feet away from the bag to avoid the throw to first. Is this smart baseball IQ?

Posted by: M20832 | June 30, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Desmond in RF? WTF????????????

Posted by: thepostischeap | June 30, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Riggleman's back to playing matchup baseball - I'm out.

Posted by: BinM | June 30, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

There's never been a double play ball that was more perfect than what Morse just hit into. Best he can do.

Posted by: Brue | June 30, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Ian Desmond to RF.
I dare anyone, name every guy who has played RF for the Nats this season.

Posted by: Sunderland | June 30, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

ugh.
One positive in past few minutes - Nyjer actually drag bunting as opposed to playing pepper with a 3rd baseman 60 feet away...

Posted by: mo_dc | June 30, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

@M20832: Would you have liked Nyjer to get beaned in the face?

Posted by: amorris525 | June 30, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Well, that was a piss poor pitching job by Slaten...

Posted by: M20832 | June 30, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I guess our pitchers are not afraid to throw inside tonight.

Posted by: marathoner | June 30, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gang-Yea....this is just tough to take. Dargreg-we've been in agreement on this "leadership/play with passion" thing for a bit...others, too.Just...except on the odd occasion, no one seems to step up. And ....GAWD, I wanna like this team...and mgr.....and G.M......it gets tougher. What's that they say about darkest before the dawn?
Go Nats!!!

Posted by: zendo | June 30, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I guess our pitchers are not afraid to throw inside tonight.

Posted by: marathoner | June 30, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

@M20832: Would you have liked Nyjer to get beaned in the face?

Posted by: amorris525

Whatever it takes to win. Morgan is entitled to the base path. Morse would have been safe. And this just shows that the Nats are "playing their guts out", but don't have what it takes to have a winning mentality.

Posted by: M20832 | June 30, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I dare anyone, name every guy who has played RF for the Nats this season.
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Let's see: Roger Bernadina, Mike "Michael" Morse, Willy "DFA" Taveras, "Not-So-Super" Willie Harris, Cristian Guzman, Justin Maxwell, Larry King, Al Roker and now Ian Desmond and Alberto Gonzalez...

Posted by: thepostischeap | June 30, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about double post. First didn't appear to go through originally.

Posted by: marathoner | June 30, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Batista walks in a run on four straight balls. But strikes out the next batter. Six outs to go for the Nats. Let's see some scoring!!!

Posted by: M20832 | June 30, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Al Roker? Isn't he a weatherman? LOL

Posted by: M20832 | June 30, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

No player in there right mind would stand there and get beaned in the face in that situation. He wasn't close enough to slide and attempt to break it up. I'm all for bashing Nyjer, but not in this instance.

Posted by: amorris525 | June 30, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

M20832 - You do not go in high and late into second base to break up a double play. You don't.
If you're close enough to get down, you get down and go in hard.
If you are not close enough to get down, then you get out of the way.
Otherwise you get a baseball into your teeth. That's how the game is played.

I rag on Nyjer as much as anyone, but he did what he could do, which was not very much.

Posted by: Sunderland | June 30, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

What the heck was going on in Riggs' mind that inning? He switches Gonzo and Des with a double play in order, and brings in Batista, sure to face a guy who was 3-for-6 against him with 2 (or was it 3?) HRs. Surprise! Bastisa walks him. Yikes.

Posted by: nats24 | June 30, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

3-4-5 for the 3rd time tonight!

Let's get more of last time and less of the first time, but better results.

C'mon -- this is a terrible waste of a gorgeous night!

Posted by: mo_dc | June 30, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

What an organization. Embarrassing baseball at embarrassing prices. I went up to Baltimore Saturday and the food was better and cheaper and the atmosphere in the stadium was so much more relaxed. They don't have have the Homeland Security details every fifteen feet along the rail, they don't make you wait for a "break in the action" to be seated if heaven forbid you leave your seat between innings. Oh yeah, and the statue of Babe Ruth is just a statue, not those gargoylian swamp monsters at our CF gate.

Posted by: Juliasdad | June 30, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

They don't have have the Homeland Security details every fifteen feet along the rail, they don't make you wait for a "break in the action" to be seated if heaven forbid you leave your seat between innings.
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Every stadium has the rent-a-cops stationed along the side walls to keep idiot fans from running onto the field. How the heck does that affect your experience at the park?

As for returning to your seat, it's simple common courtesy to not walk in front of people during an at-bat. How hard is it wait until the at-bat is over to return to your seat? Also, it is not policy, it is a request that they ask fans to voluntarily comply with.

Idiot.

Posted by: thepostischeap | June 30, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Juliasdad,

I'll give you your due on your opinion, but I will take a break until the next batter ANY day. I HATE all these fans these days who have no sense to wait until the next batter break before getting a line of 15 people to stand up in front of others, during pitches, to get to their seats.

I have personally been pushing the Nats management to enforce this more, and I personally call out jerkies who don't have a sense of the game they are interrupting so they can get back to their seats during an at bat.

I recognize there isn't a mandatory class for fans about behavior, but that's what ushers are for -- do it in an informative, educational way, and hopefully we'll have more educated fans down the line. The alternative, we'll have jack-a$$ fans going to other parks thinking they should be entitled to walk in and out whenever they want...

Posted by: mo_dc | June 30, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Ah, Desmond again makes you understand the meaning of "soft hands'' -- it's what he doesn't seem to have. And that throw would have been over Kennedy's head. Good thing the Nats weren't ahead!

Posted by: nats24 | June 30, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I guess last night was just a fluke for this team.

Posted by: thepostischeap | June 30, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Billy Wagner is still lights out tough...

He may not have 99-100 like the days I watched him in Houston, but with that short delivery, it jumps on you in a hurry, and that breaking ball is just enough to buckle the knees.

I've always been a fan of the south Virginia native -- even with the Phils, Mets or Braves!

Posted by: mo_dc | June 30, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gang- I got nothing...and listening to Riggs talk about this being a step in the right direction.....no wonder this team thinks "all is well"
The whole bunch needs to be taken to the woodshed...just......demoralizing....
"PLUS CA CHANGE,..?
Go Nats!!!

Posted by: zendo | June 30, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

One good sign in this game: Nyjer dragged a bunt to the right side and beat it out pretty easily. If only that turns on a light bulb in his head!

I've come to believe the Nats might want to trade Dunn, Hammer and Guz for some real good prospects. I've read all the the arguments thrashed about here, and I know it would likely mean a painful second half, but the Nats are not going to contend with the current roster. They are still too weak defensively and strike out way too much.

Posted by: nats24 | June 30, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gang-as long as they keep Gozno, eh, 24?(was you, right?-I like it. Better than Natinals)
Go Nats

Posted by: zendo | June 30, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

nats24, there will be almost nothing in return for Guzman, weak hitting, weak fielding 2 - 3 month rental. What contender would be improved by adding Guzman to their starting lineup?

For Dunn, there'd be a little more in return, but again it's a deal for a 2 - 3 month rental. Keeping Dunn, making him an offer and offering arbitration and letting him sign elsewhere might yield just as much in return.

Willingham, because he won't be a free agent at the end of the year might actually bring something useful.

All I'm saying is don't expect too much in return.

Posted by: Sunderland | June 30, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Zendo,

You're right. Even more depressing than their lackluster play (epitomized for me bt Dunn's emotionally detached baserunning) was the "happy talk" after the game by Rigs and the MASN team. This was a good loss? Becauae we didn't blow the lead? Speaking of which, are we the only club in MLB this year never to win when trailing going into the ninth? The "come from behind" Nats we ain't.

Posted by: CapPeterson1 | June 30, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

The "come from behind" Nats we ain't.

You got that right Cap. When the Nats trail late, it's over before it's over.

I'm not going to look it up now, but I think the Nats have not scored a 9th inning run in almost a month.

Posted by: KenNat | June 30, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

There is no such thing as a good loss... I guess you can learn from your mistakes... but I don't see a lot of that happening these days... ugh...

Posted by: Ghost7 | June 30, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Zendo: The emotional passion of your ballclub starts and end's with the manager especially if your team is absent of a kick azz everyday player, i thought Pudge might be that guy but he's also been bitten by the laidbackitis bug. The fault of this emotionally detached ballclub lies at the feet of Mike Rizzo and to a lesser extent StanK(only becuzz he ain't got a clue) Rizzo should have known during the off season what kind of team he had, therefore another manager should have been brought in someone with a "fire in his belly" imho Riggs is a career bench coach, sorry but that's what i see. Mike Rizzo i.e. should have known what kind of impact Grissom had on Morgan last year, now if i can see it here in the A-T-L how come nobody in DC noticed it, Radison may be Riggs buddy but he is a horrible first base coach routinely getting Bernandina and Morgan thrown out at second or worse getting them picked off, last weekend's debacle in charm city typified a team in need of a leader especially after friday night's meltdown then subsequent blown leads sat/sunday. I nominate Lloyd McClendon(jim leyland's bench coach in Det.)as a candidate after Riggs is shown the door,the Nat's need an emotional leader not a screamer mind you, just someone who will hold the players on this team accountable.

Posted by: dargregmag | June 30, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

What they said.

FWIW, I only yell at people who are bigger than me.

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As for returning to your seat, it's simple common courtesy to not walk in front of people during an at-bat. How hard is it wait until the at-bat is over to return to your seat? Also, it is not policy, it is a request that they ask fans to voluntarily comply with.

Idiot.

Posted by: thepostischeap | June 30, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Juliasdad,

I'll give you your due on your opinion, but I will take a break until the next batter ANY day. I HATE all these fans these days who have no sense to wait until the next batter break before getting a line of 15 people to stand up in front of others, during pitches, to get to their seats.

I have personally been pushing the Nats management to enforce this more, and I personally call out jerkies who don't have a sense of the game they are interrupting so they can get back to their seats during an at bat.

I recognize there isn't a mandatory class for fans about behavior, but that's what ushers are for -- do it in an informative, educational way, and hopefully we'll have more educated fans down the line. The alternative, we'll have jack-a$$ fans going to other parks thinking they should be entitled to walk in and out whenever they want...

Posted by: mo_dc | June 30, 2010 9:58 PM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | June 30, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

that is, (i.e.) the only people I yell at for this are bigger than me.

I just beat the small ones without warning or mercy.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | June 30, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse

sec3, can I have their peanuts before you get started? (Kidding.) Seriously, I'm also a big fan of waiting until an at-bat is over before walking in front of seatmates. We were at a game recently where there was a constant stream of offenders. Geez.

Oh, and I had a fire in my belly, but I got rid of it. Two words: Pepto Bismol. :-)

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 1, 2010 6:38 AM | Report abuse

On my way in to the office, with the Met's comming into town this could be an ugly holiday weekend for these Nat's,hopefully we'll see some emotion out of this laid back bunch but i ain't holding my breath,it is just dissapointing to see this team take every loss like it's no big deal, it's almost like they are waiting for the all star break and then we'll show em.

Posted by: dargregmag | July 1, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Terminate this blog. Boycott the Nats.

I'm out. (But as Riggleman would say, it was a good termination.)

Posted by: dovelevine | July 1, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

What, so you don't really want the peanuts? Or you'll wait until I'm done? I'm so confused...

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sec3, can I have their peanuts before you get started? (Kidding.)
Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 1, 2010 6:38 AM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 1, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

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