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Game 88 discussion thread: Nationals vs. Giants

The Nationals held the Giants scoreless in the top of the first to break a franchise-long streak of nine games in which the team allowed a run in the first inning.

After a two-run first inning, the Nationals could not hold a lead in the top of the second. Craig Stammen allowed a two-out rally, including a two-RBI single to pitcher Jonathan Sanchez.

The Nationals tied the game in the bottom of the second with Michael Morse's solo home run. It's Morse's fourth homer of the year.

The Nationals took the lead in the fourth inning when Ivan Rodriguez doubled home Josh Willingham, who started the inning legging out a single. Craig Stammen doubled home Rodriguez, but was quickly picked off at second. Stammen continues a very solid outing -- save for the three-run second inning, he has held the Giants scoreless entering the sixth inning.

By Zach Berman  |  July 10, 2010; 7:13 PM ET
 
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dunn and hammer - both out looking. WTF. the two runs ought to be 3 or 4 right now.

Posted by: DCguy7 | July 10, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Holliday? Here.

Carpenter? Here.

Dibble? Dibble? Dibble?

Posted by: baltova1 | July 10, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

A hideous throw by Stammen on the 1-4-3 DP. Noticed on the replay that Desmond leaped at the same time Guzman did, guess he was trying to add some elevation for Guzzie. Ouch, now Stammen hanbgs another one for a RBI. Keep 'em down Craig or you'll join Lannan in the minors.

Posted by: Natmeister | July 10, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me, a 2 RBI single by the opposing pitcher on a 3-2 pitch? OK Stammen, your ticket is punched to Syracuse. Too many people down there waiting to move up.

Posted by: Natmeister | July 10, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Jeezus, Stammen.

Grooves a 3-1 pitch to the 8 hitter with the pitcher on deck. Christ, just put him on. Then goes 3-2 on the pitcher and gives up a 2 run single after getting a 2 run lead in the first. Methinks Syracuse beckons.

OK, Morse goes yard. Nice. Think you can hold 'em down, Craig? Jeez.

Posted by: LeeM9308 | July 10, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

You mean to tell me Stammen is better than Sharon Martis? Stammen isn't even a AAA pitcher imho and what has Martis done not to deserve another shot in the majors,they keep running the same raggedy azz arm hurlers through the revolving door,i'd try to package Stammen and Lannan and maybe a position player before the deadline and get both their sorry ass's outa here you listening Rizzo?

Posted by: dargregmag | July 10, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Stammen is doing a great job of guaranteeing a spot in the rotation for Ross Detwiler as soon as he's ready.

Posted by: baltova1 | July 10, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Let's be honest Stammen is the worst pitcher in the ML right now. He's absolutely terrified out there. He KNOWS his stuff ISN'T good enough. He must stand there thinking, "Gee, they gave me a lead, well I can fix that". Don't let him come out for the third. Indeed, send him to the showers and the bus station at the same time.

Posted by: lesatcsc | July 10, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

it's really too bad maxy can't hit

Posted by: DCguy7 | July 10, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

No Ray Knight? No Rob Dibble? Maybe they're finally settling the score tonight. I'd take Dibs for two reasons: one, he's bigger and younger; two, he'd fight dirty.

Posted by: SorenKierkegaard | July 10, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm, Stammen goes to the curveball and gets a 1-2-3. Is SS calling this game too?

Posted by: Natmeister | July 10, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Stamen should be a bullpen guy. I would like to see him come into games as a long reliever type if a starter is having a bad day.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 10, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Neato Rizzo in the booth

Posted by: amorris525 | July 10, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

dargregmag, you make a good point. Martis has become a forgotten man and I believe he's been pitching better of late. Might be worth at least a quick look while we wait for the return of the injured starters.

Posted by: baltova1 | July 10, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, this is a baseball town. Right.

OK, that's unfair. But geez, get a grip.
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Let's be honest Stammen is the worst pitcher in the ML right now. He's absolutely terrified out there. He KNOWS his stuff ISN'T good enough. He must stand there thinking, "Gee, they gave me a lead, well I can fix that". Don't let him come out for the third. Indeed, send him to the showers and the bus station at the same time.

Posted by: lesatcsc | July 10, 2010 7:50 PM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 10, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

LOL at the idea! :-) But, yeah, if I were a gambling type, I'd be inclined to put my money on Dibble.

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I'd take Dibs for two reasons: one, he's bigger and younger; two, he'd fight dirty.

Posted by: SorenKierkegaard | July 10, 2010 7:58 PM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 10, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of broadcasters, I noticed at yesterday's game that there was a kid in the booth with Charlie and Dave. When they danced to Nieves' at-bat music, he joined in. He also leaned out the window a few times (Me to 1b: hope they have a bungee affixed to his feet.) Seriously, though, he seemed to be having a great time. Cute.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 10, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

1: I wouldn't be so sure--what kind of odds can I get?
2: What makes you think Ray wouldn't? Age and Treachery ...
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LOL at the idea! :-) But, yeah, if I were a gambling type, I'd be inclined to put my money on Dibble.
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I'd take Dibs for two reasons: one, he's bigger and younger; two, he'd fight dirty.

Posted by: SorenKierkegaard | July 10, 2010 7:58 PM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 10, 2010 8:14 PM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | July 10, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Well, does Ray have any tattoos? You know what, never mind on that question...

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1: I wouldn't be so sure--what kind of odds can I get?
2: What makes you think Ray wouldn't? Age and Treachery ...

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 10, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Is there no live chat tonight?

Posted by: DavidandDonald | July 10, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Clippard's highwire act continues but now it's going the other way. So much for brining him in to start an inning. Looks like the heavy worklodd has taken it's toll.

Posted by: Natmeister | July 10, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Is there no live chat tonight?

Posted by: DavidandDonald | July 10, 2010 9:28 PM

Nope, it's not tail wagging the dog night

Posted by: Kev29 | July 10, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Why didn't they bring in Storen? Was he tired from last night?

Posted by: DavidandDonald | July 10, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

So Clip's charged with 4 runs in 1/3 of an inning. Nice outing for him.

Posted by: DavidandDonald | July 10, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

What the H is Riggleman doing? Clippard is a disaster waiting to happen lately. And Slaten to face the righty Uribe? Where is Storen? So he pitches 1.2 innings last night. Does that make him unavailable the next night? Kinda ridiculous. And we see what happens...

Posted by: LeeM9308 | July 10, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

So Clip's charged with 4 runs in 1/3 of an inning. Nice outing for him.

Posted by: DavidandDonald | July 10, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, I'm afraid that Clipp is another one of our bargain basement pitchers who got found out.

Posted by: Kev29 | July 10, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Been a helluva lot of "nice outings" for Clip lately. And still they throw him in with the game on the line.

I know you gotta try to keep the guy's confidence up, but he's hurting the team. Try somebody ELSE!

Posted by: LeeM9308 | July 10, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

This is what happens when the starters don't go past the 6th (or 5th). Bullpen gets taxed and eventually breaksdown under the constant pressure. The options become more and more limited. Hope Livo can go 8 tomorrow.

Posted by: Natmeister | July 10, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

I think Riggleman is a nice guy. That said, I've about had it with his "touchy-feelie" type of management. "Wanted to build his confidence" stuff. Also, don't let our zillion dollar pitcher get dirty and maybe pitch an extra inning, but let's burn-out others. (Sorry, just P.O.ed tonight. WE SHOULD WIN THIS GAME!

Posted by: NickfromGermantown | July 10, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

This is Natinals Baseball!

Posted by: jwing14 | July 10, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I've about had it with his "touchy-feelie" type of management.

Posted by: NickfromGermantown

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Agreed, Nick, I've been trying to root for the guy, but it appears Riggleman's using the Zorn technique with this team.

Posted by: NatAlbert | July 10, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Clippard cannot be used in the future unless they are behind by six runs. He is costing this team big time.

Posted by: MKadyman | July 10, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Natmeister has it right. Too little work by the starters means too much work for the bullpen. Those guys go through slumps like hitters and Clippard is slumping right now. The best thing would be to see some longer outings by the starters.

Posted by: baltova1 | July 10, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Not ready to give up on the guy -- certainly not "rip" and save yet. Think he's just being overworked.

Posted by: reddog278 | July 10, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I am a big Clip fan, but quite clearly things are going very badly for him right now. Perhaps the thousand innings he pitched early in the season has caught up to him, perhaps there's actually something wrong with his arm, no way to know from the stands. The thing is, it's Rigglemans's job to know what's going on and to adjust the situations he puts guys in for the benefit of the team. He either needs to shut Clip doiwn for a couple of weeks, or use him in non-critical situations until he has sorted out whatever isn't working. the definition of stupid is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Riggleman is a joke.

By the way,how do you run into the first two outs of an inning at 3rd base. How stupid is that.

I love the Nats. I want them to succeed. I don't mind when they lose because they meet a better team or a hot pitcher. But to keep losing because of stupid mental errors, by the manager, by the coaches, by the players is getting very hard to live with. Perhaps it's time for Rizzo to upgrade the guys making the decisions in the dugout.

Posted by: lesatcsc | July 10, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

AAA starter + AAA manager = another loss...

Clpp has been awful for 3 weeks. If you want to get him back on track, bring him in when you're up 8-1 like last night, not up 1.

This team finds ways to lose, much more often than they find ways to win. That's the sign of a bad manager.

Nice guy, not a winner, that's been demonstrated over 1,000 games as a manager.

Posted by: sollazo | July 10, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Missed the game tonite but see by the posters it's business as usual...can't get the pitcher out in crucial at bats...

Time to look at some other players who are hungry to stay here...

Posted by: pentagon40 | July 10, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Yes indeed, "business as usual". The same ol' Stammen act. Then Clip the overworked, overtaxed reliever (wonder how much he gets paid?) comes in and gives up four runs.

The home run king gets a BB and three whiffs in four AB's. What was the stat they showed the other night? AD gets a HR every 10 or 12 AB's?

C'mon Nats! Fell the giants today for a series win! Livo's pitching! Give him some run support! Please?

Posted by: M20832 | July 11, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Surprised I didn't see the usual Riggleman pillory after probably his worst game as a manager. Check out nats320.blogspot.com for a really good blow by blow analysis.

Posted by: paulkp | July 11, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

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