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Game 89 discussion thread: Nationals vs. Giants

From staff writer Jorge Castillo

Last night, the Nationals held a 5-4 lead in the seventh before Tyler Clippard continued his recent struggles. Clippard allowed two runs and two more runners on base before being taken out after recording just one out. Doug Slaten then took the mound and couldn't prevent the inherited runners from scoring, giving the Giants an 8-5 lead and Clippard a total of four earned runs allowed. The Giants added two more on the way to a 10-5 win.

Clippard has struggled lately, allowing 11 runs over his last six innings over seven appearances - a far cry from his spectacular start to the season. Manager Jim Riggleman said he's going to avoid using Clippard today and starting pitcher J.D. Martin is available out of the bullpen.

This afternoon, Liván Hernández takes the hill for the Nationals in their final game before the all-star break - the 164th with Riggleman as the Nationals skipper. At 6-4 with a 3.12 ERA, the Cuban right-hander has been the backbone of this starting rotation. Rookie left-hander Madison Bumgarner, who will make his fourth start of the season, will oppose him. Bumgarner is 1-2 with a 2.86 ERA this season.

Talk about the game right here.

By Adam Kilgore  |  July 11, 2010; 1:25 PM ET
 
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Comments

This first inning thing is soooooooo draining...knowing after the 1st inning you HAVE to score at least 3 runs to win has to take its' toll on a team...

Our starters can't seem to avoid 1st inning walks which usually lead to runs scored...something has to be done...something.....

Posted by: pentagon40 | July 11, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I might be way off base but for a while I have been able to see Livan as a reliever coming in around the 6th and pitching at least 2 innings, maybe more because of his rubber arm...

He is usually ok if he can get past the first inning and hopefully the second but more and more this is becoming a thing of the past for him...Just my thought on this.....

Posted by: pentagon40 | July 11, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I do believe Nyjer should have caught Posey's drive. Bumgardner looks strong-could be a long day.

Posted by: CapPeterson1 | July 11, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

And Morgan screws himself into the ground on Posey's shot, turning an out into three runs (the triple + Ishakawa's SF). That just doesn't get it defensively.

Posted by: BinM | July 11, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

They are so weak up the middle defensively it's scary and that's with Pudge behind the plate. You can see how bad it is with the other fella catching.

Posted by: jwing14 | July 11, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

@pentagon40:

Livo's current 'stuff' would never work in relief, imo. He needs to be a starter because 1) he needs time to establish 'his strike zone', and 2) he needs to be able to throw his full mix of pitches (5-6 at current guesstimate) to be effective. As a reliever, he'd most likely be limited to 2-3 pitch types, at best.

Posted by: BinM | July 11, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

CapPeterson1&BinM: Are either one of you kidding me Posey's rocket should have been caught? come on the ball was hit like a cannon shot no way Nyjer could catch that now i will say he could have played the carom off the wall better but i don't see Willie May's or Curt Flood catching that shot.

Posted by: dargregmag | July 11, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Dargregmag,

Not the way I saw it.

Posted by: CapPeterson1 | July 11, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I agree with CapPeterson. He was back there in plenty of time so he easily could have caught it if he had read it right.

And how does listach not send dunn there that is unbelievable.

Posted by: amorris525 | July 11, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

WORST COACHING STAFF IN BASEBALL!!! How is it you don't send Dunn(and Rowand overuns the ball!) in that situation, and Madison Bumgardner comes in here and looks like Sandy Koufax, who scouted this kid? everyone of this franchise's advanced scout's should be fired(and yes i'm overeacting,just pissed off)after blowing last night's game this homestand is dissapointing.

Posted by: dargregmag | July 11, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Let's go Hammer!

Posted by: amorris525 | July 11, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

@DAGREGMAG....Have to agree with you...the third base coach is not aggressive at all...You could tell by that time the offense was bogged down...nothing to lose by having Dunn go for it...

someone mentioned the scouting staff...This guy pitching today is a rookie..no way he should have dominated like he did...we should have had a book on him...

Posted by: pentagon40 | July 11, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

You take the first game of a series and can't get one of two at home...The weakenesses have been on exhibit on this home stand for all to see...but management should be aware of them long before the fans are....

We can't depend on the pitchers coming up next month...they havent pitched all season and an adjustment is necessary which will take at least 3 starts each...

Sept. might be a good time to look at some different arms....

Posted by: pentagon40 | July 11, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the team will total 50 losses before they have 40 wins; That's a shame, imo.

Posted by: BinM | July 11, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Post All-Star team goal - Finish above the Marlins in the NL East stndings.

Posted by: BinM | July 11, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Announcer:
"Thanks for tuning in MASN. This defeat was brought to you by...Nyjer Morgan! When you're looking for a center fielder, don't forget Nyjer Morgan. One out of every 30 MLB managers recommend Nyjer Morgan for all your center field needs."

Posted by: swanni | July 11, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

From Newsday:

AL Least Valuable Player:Brandon Wood, Angels, whom I projected as my "AL breakout player" in Newsday's baseball preview section. Another candidate: White Sox second baseman Gordon Beckham, whom I predicted to win the AL MVP. Double yeesh.

NL LVP:Carlos Lee, Astros.If you're wondering why the Astros are terrible, Pedro Feliz and Tommy Manzella also are candidates, as are the Nats' Nyjer Morgan...

Posted by: swanni | July 11, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gang-been a minute.....did manage to go to the yard on my 2 off nights-those 2 scorchers.Both wins! So I was...well, as always...optimistic.And now? Almost embarrassed to say I stayed home to watch World Cup....of course, I did manage to flip channels often enough to see....well, no errors-so that's a "plus". But mainly-the same old same old. 6th year and counting. Meet the New Nats...or plan...or lack of anything sustained (other than the stuff we don't like)...Same as-need I finish?
Sigh......still love 'em. Still love the game. Still think we deserve better from the Slow Lerners. Beyond that, I won't criticize anyone else. I think we're hamstrung at the top. Don't wish for ANYONE'S "demise" but....since Mr Pohlad/Twins owner is now the son, it seems as if they are actually willing to capitalize/spend...(while they seemed to execute the "plan" quite well, also under Carl, may he rest in peace).
Yup-I leave it to all of you, my NJ friends, to analyze and debate the other shortcomings.... but for me-given the enormous opportunities squandered- this fish rots like all the rest. And I really wanna like the Slow Lerners, too..and believe they'll eventually "do right" by us.Thats all...and still, against all credibility
GO NATS!!!

Posted by: zendo | July 11, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Bases loaded twice. Same ol'...same ol'. Have stanky pitching (except Straburg), inconsistent, streaky batters, the most errors in the major leagues and the fielding sux.
What have the Lerner's brought us, eh? Without any change or upgrades, the Nats will be better than last year. But competitive? Don't think so. I believe I'm not the only one on this board that thinks this way.
But we have baseball. The American summer pastime in DC. What could be better than to go to the park, have a dog and brew and watch the game be it bad or good.

See y'all after the AS game.

Go Nats!

Posted by: M20832 | July 11, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the death of Bob Sheppard, the Yankees 'Voice of God". If only our home team had a PA announcer with 1/10th of the class of Bob Sheppard. I suppose we can't really blame the man because he is told to bleet out his cheesey introduction in his infantile manner by team president Stan Kasten. It diminishes the experience at the ballpark and makes the Washington Nationals look like the Macon Whoopees. We are the nation's capital, not the Pontotoc county fair in Ada, Oklahoma. (No offence OK). We deserve an announcer commensurate with the position, not Herb Tarlek from WKRP. Ever wonder why teams like Boston and NY don't feel the need to embellesh player intros? RIP Bob Sheppard. We hate the Yankees but we honor you and the class you brought to baseball.

Posted by: Natstoyou | July 11, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

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