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Game 92 discussion thread: Nationals at Marlins

Craig Stammen knows better than any Nationals pitcher what the coming infusion of starting pitchers might mean. When the Nationals needed to clear a space in their rotation for Stephen Strasburg, they chose to demote Stammen. With the Nationals expecting a gaggle of starters returning in the coming weeks, more spots will need to be made, and Stammen will still need to stake a claim as to why he belongs.

Stammen can be brilliant, like when he allowed the Braves two runs on five hits in 7 1/3 innings in his return from Class AAA Syracuse. But that only makes his downturns more maddening - in his next two starts, both Nats losses, Stammen allowed 11 earned runs in 8 2/3 innings on 14 hits and five walks.

So starting today against the Marlins, Stammen's task is to find consistency. The Nationals know what he is capable of, but if he doesn't start showing it he could be making another unwanted trip back to the minors.

This afternoon at windy Sun Life Stadium (a name, one assumes, that will expire in 15 or 20 minutes), Stammen will take on Alex Sanabia, who's made only four appearances and one start this year, his first in the majors. Talk about the game right here.

By Adam Kilgore  |  July 18, 2010; 12:55 PM ET
 
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Philosophical question of the day: If a baseball game is played in a stadium but no one comes to watch, does the game actually occur?

Posted by: SorenKierkegaard | July 18, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

SK, ha ha. Good afternoon, Nats Folks.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 18, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

SK, ha ha. Good afternoon, Nats Folks.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 18, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Did you all see the collision at first base yesterday? I laughed for 10 minutes.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | July 18, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I dunno, that's a pretty decent crowd.

For a Gulf Coast League game...

Posted by: baltova1 | July 18, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Bases loaded one out and no run's again Dunn check swinging his way into the dugout, Ray Knight tells it like it is, i'd rather have Ray then Dibble next to Carpenter nothing personal mind you.

Posted by: dargregmag | July 18, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Any NVA Cox cable subscribers know why I can't get MASN2 (HD on 771 or otherwise) and see the game today? Thx.

Posted by: NW-DC | July 18, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Dunn will get his 40 HR and 100+ RBI but many K's with RISP. Strike 2 usually = strike 3 without advancing runners. 3 K's last night with two on and now another with bases loaded. Seems like many K's are on checked swings. Nice stat's but not a game changer. Looks like we're headed towards another double digit shutout.

Posted by: Natmeister | July 18, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

What did Knight say about Dunn?

Posted by: baltova1 | July 18, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Soren:
With MLB, because at least the TV, radio & official scorer see it, yes, in makes a sound & it counts. The sad part is, the Marlins will probably never draw in the greater Miami area, even though the team has won two WS trophies.
The solution might be to strip the franchise from Loria, and move it to someplace that might care more (Buffalo, Spokane, Vancouver, Salt Lake City, etc).

Posted by: BinM | July 18, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Some places are like that. I grew up in Oakland and even in some of their good years I was at games with not much company.

Posted by: marathoner | July 18, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the fish are having Christmas in July day with Santa Claus hats and Xmas songs by the organist. Pretty cheesy.

Posted by: Natmeister | July 18, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Natmeister:
It would be nice to leave them with a lump of coal and a 1-2 home series, wouldn't it?

Posted by: BinM | July 18, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

It's the "dead ball era" returned.

Posted by: baltova1 | July 18, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

The solution might be to strip the franchise from Loria, and move it to someplace that might care more (Buffalo, Spokane, Vancouver, Salt Lake City, etc).

Posted by: BinM | July 18, 2010 2:08 PM

After Miami builds them a new park in Little Havana? Not happening - they'll be in South Florida for years to come. And they'll draw a little better in the new stadium, not a ton, but they'll be viable.

Posted by: Kev29 | July 18, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Probably just need some more Cuban's like Livan.

Posted by: periculum | July 18, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Cow Bell, followed by Blue Bell .... ice cream for national ice cream month ... you'd think they'd come for free ice cream?

Posted by: periculum | July 18, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Been going to spring training in Orlando the past 6 years..Even then with temps in the low 80's, sitting in the sun can be trying so I can just imagine how it must feel in Miami in July sitting out there...

Cities like that demand a domed stadium..to not have one in those climates is financial death...

Posted by: pentagon40 | July 18, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Kev29:
It won't matter where the stadium is, the Marlins will rarely draw over 22,000/game for the season, imo (1.78M home attendance). Loria will continue to play 'low-budget', cutting or trading most high-salary players, even after he's in the new stadium. And we think the Lerners are cheap.

Posted by: BinM | July 18, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Dunn whiffs with RISP, ho hum.

Posted by: Natmeister | July 18, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Guaranteed we lose the next game 11-9 or something like that.

Posted by: amorris525 | July 18, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

WTF. Bad even by Zimm standards.

Posted by: marathoner | July 18, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I've got no room to question the gold glover, but I'll never understand the sidearm throws from Zimmerman.

Posted by: Sunderland | July 18, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Probably just need some more Cuban's like Livan.

Posted by: periculum | July 18, 2010 2:59 PM

Sandwiches? Yes, Livan does love them! :-)

Posted by: Kev29 | July 18, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Sunderland: I echo your sentiments...Don't
understand why on grounders when you have time to get set he doesn't do it and just throw the ball overhand...Now on some of those slow tricklers when charging I get it but his accuracy rate drops drastically when doing this...

Time for Zimm. to start looking at films of his errors and try to correct them...

Posted by: pentagon40 | July 18, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Would be nice to take this one in the 9th and the series...what a morale booster it would be with little or no offense..

Posted by: pentagon40 | July 18, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I repeat, WTF.

Posted by: marathoner | July 18, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Kev29:
It won't matter where the stadium is, the Marlins will rarely draw over 22,000/game for the season, imo (1.78M home attendance). Loria will continue to play 'low-budget', cutting or trading most high-salary players, even after he's in the new stadium. And we think the Lerners are cheap.

Posted by: BinM | July 18, 2010 3:32 PM

I said that attendance will be slightly better, but nowhere near numbers we would call high. But that's all beside the point - baseball will stay there because they finally have a stable stadium deal. Bob Carpenter said it during the game, Loria will now have the access to game day revenues that he's never had. Their budgeting will change. The days of Marlins fire sales could be over. Who knows, that might not be a good thing for them, because they've been amazingly good at identifying the right prospects in trades. As a Nats fan, I'm not casting aspersions on the way they do business, because they do it a hell of a lot better than our team.

They will not be in danger of leaving Miami for decades. And to go somewhere like Buffalo or Spokane, please? Buffalo might lose it's NFL team, they are nowhere near wealthy enough for baseball. Miami is one of the most desirable markets in the world - in spite of constantly frustrating attendance numbers in all sports. MLB does not have to worry about Miami for awhile - but they should concentrate on decaying small market cities where teams might never compete again - Pittsburgh, Cleveland and Baltimore - what to do with those once proud clubs. The Indians just got rid of most of their stars and are currently last (LAST) in the bigs in attendance - no one suggests that they move.

Sorry for the long post, had to do something while the Nats bored the life out of us today :-)

Posted by: Kev29 | July 18, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Honestly...I've just about had it. This is UNBELIEVABLE the amount of idiotic mistakes this team makes. Good lord.

Posted by: amorris525 | July 18, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

These lineups suck! Granted, there isn't much to work with, but the Nats only put their best lineup on the field about 1-2 tmes a week, if ever and wonder why they can't score runs...............and why is Adam Kennedy still on the team, much less starting 2 out of the first 3 games after the All star game?

Posted by: Kolchak | July 18, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

More bad baserunning. I don't blame Kennedy for yesterday, he did what his coach told him to do. But this one is on him, and in a one run game, ninth inning, two outs to go. Hard to accept.

And Maxwell almost gets picked off with 2 out in the 9th.

We run the bases foolishly.
And this is 100% on Riggleman.
A baseball coach / manager, over the course of spring training and 90+ regular season games should have this under control.

Posted by: Sunderland | July 18, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

OK Kennedy has to go, the man is a complete albatross, a Jonah, just too many bad things happen when he is out there. Maybe a nice guy but he just KILLS US! For heavens sakes get Gonzo out there. Of course 30 K's in the series is pretty damn bad. At least they got Strasburg some runs.

Posted by: Natmeister | July 18, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Riggleman's constant tinkering with the line up and defensive replacements ONCE AGAIN cost the Nats a game.

Posted by: JT2009 | July 18, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Kennedy produces yet another bonehead play to kill a potential rally. Time to stop protecting a veteran who simply is not producing. In fact he has hurt the club much more than helped it. Any middle infielders down in Syracuse anywhere near worthy of promotion? Or for that matter, anybody out on the waiver wire? Time for the braintrust to give Gonzo a chance to fit into the infield "rotation".

Posted by: LeeM9308 | July 18, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

This has got to be the WORST baserunning team that I have ever seen. Unbelievable.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 18, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

This team is looking more and more Acta like with every game, just plain stupid baserunning by Kennedy no excuse whatsoever,Dunn swings at the same pitch's all the time, is anyone telling him to layoff those pitch's does he not know this is the "book" on him around the league. Just so you know Sunderland, no one is going to say anything to the Gold Glove Face of the Francise, Award Winning, Geico commercial spokesperson, sidearm throwing can't hit in the clutch third baseman you can forget that. Mister i don't want to rattle any cages or rock the boat manager is just fine with we'll get em tommorow, yeah right.

Posted by: dargregmag | July 18, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Is "pathetic" a strong enough word Rufus? Applies to the clutch hitting lately too. GOT to be some changes made - somewhere.

Who the H is supposedly in charge of baserunning on this team? And time to take the green light away from Nyjer, if he still has it that is.

Posted by: LeeM9308 | July 18, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

One more thing before i head to the gym to work off my fustration, another wasted pitching effort, finally Stammen get's it right and what do we do? not a damn thing!!.

Posted by: dargregmag | July 18, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Rizzo wake up man. Unless you make a change, you're looking at the same results. Loseses after losses. Time for a change.

Posted by: hersheykid | July 18, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Except for Strasburg, this team (I use the term lightly) is a pathetic joke. where are Dunn's three homeruns in a game now? Apparently, Dunn can't adjust to inside pitches over the plate...He swings at them and whiffs.
Where is Willingham's "hammer" time? All of them look lost at the plate with a lot of called third strikes. Most of them just look the pitches in.
Zimmerman looks a little too patient waiting for that just right pitch when a one inning relief pitcher is throwing. First pitch, right down the heart of the plate...just looked in for a called strike.

Two games now they have been shut out. Bonehead fielding, bonehead base running. It is getting tiresome.

On a positive note, at least Stammen did a good job pitching today.

No matter how much I yell at the tv, I guess they don't seem to or want to change.

Well, Cincinnati is coming up, what's going to change the losing?

Posted by: M20832 | July 18, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Riggleman doesn't hold ANYONE accountable. He treats this team like little leaguers. "Let's keep tryng", "let's stay positive", "I want to get everyone some at bats". What about sitting guys down when they make boneheaded plays on the base paths or in the field? Can we have Ozzie Guillen for one month to give this team a reality check? ONLY 1 month though...

Posted by: Kolchak | July 18, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Agreed that bad baserunning is not the only issue (situational hitting, anyone?), nor is it unique to one player, tempting as it might be to hate on anyone in particular after a couple of frustrating losses. Even if you got rid of the goat(s) of the day, imo issues would remain.

That said, props to the starting rotation and 'pen in the last two games. Clippard proved me wrong yesterday (I was, um, not enthused to see him enter the game). Now, if we could only get the team firing on all cylinders at once. heh...

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | July 18, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Kennedy has compeletly lost his feel for the game, with a ball hit that hard he shouldn't even be thinking about advancing to third. It's really time for some accountability. Don't understand why they are protectiong someone with a one year contract. Gonzo made a great play to end the game Friday and then Kennedy butchers the next two with bad plays in the field and on the basepaths. WTF kind of message does that send? Riggleman should grow a pair and fire somebody. This club needs to be shaken up or they will continue to play like a lousy last place team.

Posted by: Natmeister | July 18, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Does Riggleman know how to play percentages? Twice today and countless times in the past the Nats early in the game with a chance to score runs have refused to sacrifice bunt the runners. This is going to be the reason in my opinion Riggleman gets run out of DC. Knowing your team is having trouble scoring runs on top of it right now. To me this is unacceptable. Gonzalez or Maxwell should have been running for Kennedy in the ninth as well. I would expect better decisions out of my manager.

Posted by: LAL15 | July 18, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Is this a bad time to mention that Orlando Hudson would have played here if the Lerners weren't cheap?

Posted by: Kev29 | July 18, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

LAL15, Riggo just goes by the traditional baseball philosophies even when they don't make sense. He continues to PH or start Kennedy against RH pitchers, because he's a LH batter. Completely ignorng the fact that he's batting .225 against RHers and Gonzo, though a RH batter is batting .286. Not to mention , he's a much better fielder. Riggs has got to go and the Nats have to get someone that will make sure EVERY player is accountable.

Posted by: Kolchak | July 18, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Anybody hear Riggleman's postgame comments? Be interested to hear if his frustration level is anywhere near that of many NJ folks. And if any changes are being considered - by him or those above him. Got to get Gonzo on the field, and Morse too. Those two are about the only guys producing right now. Sit Dunn down for a day or two. The H with the GD platooning. Hate it, especially when our hottest players are sitting down instead of playing.

Posted by: LeeM9308 | July 18, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I have to assume they are trying to "showcase" Kennedy to see if they can get anything for him at the deadline. At this point, just release him and put him (and us) out of his misery.

Posted by: truke | July 18, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

LAL/Kolchak, let's face it. The Nats are just a TERRIBLE bunting team. Top to bottom. And who's accountable for THAT, along with countless other obvious blunders too numerous to mention?

BTW - the next MLB franchise will be going to Vegas, not any of these other cities mentioned earlier. Bank on it, so to speak.

Posted by: LeeM9308 | July 18, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Then" best 3,4,5 combination" in the majors once again fails to deliver. Why would you want to keep them intact?

Posted by: jjburns1 | July 18, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

jjburns1, I'd like to see the other 3-4-5 combinations with regards to how often they strike out with men on and less than two outs. Not to menton our "cleanup" hitter batting .076 with runners in scoring position and two outs!

Posted by: Kolchak | July 18, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Nats ... must ... beat ... Orioles ... to #1 Pick ... Must ...

-- Riggleman's message.

Posted by: periculum | July 18, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

23rd in payroll

23rd in MLB standings

22nd in attendance

Posted by: Kev29 | July 18, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Riggs lost me with game. He is no better than Acta. I thought he had more guts and was a better tactician. He holds no one accountable and rewards stupidity with more playing time. Your record says what you are and this is not a .500 team, or a .400 team. In fact, they are as bad as last year save SS.

Posted by: vagator | July 18, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

It's too painful to watch. I think Riggs has got to go after the season.

Posted by: egoodman8 | July 18, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Two more games, and Acta's Indians (which is essentially a AAA team with a half dozen meajor leaguers) will have the exact same record...

Posted by: amo36 | July 18, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Does Riggleman know how to play percentages? Twice today and countless times in the past the Nats early in the game with a chance to score runs have refused to sacrifice bunt the runners.

Percentages are bunting early in the game leads to less scoring.

Posted by: markfromark | July 18, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

If the Indians are a AAA team with a half dozen major leaguers, then what are we?

Posted by: egoodman8 | July 18, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Dunn is dead meat with 2 strikes, batting around .150 with 50% K's. Even at 3-2 he's .167 with 22 K's in 42 AB's. RISP w/ 2 outs is the worst, .079 ( 3 hits in 38 AB's with 5 RBI and 19 K's). Bases empty is the best with.328 BA and 16 solo HR's.

Posted by: Natmeister | July 18, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Have you looked at the Indians lineup recently??
Yesterday, they played with 4 guys hitting below .200. Their best active hitter not named Carlos Santana is Shelley Duncan (OPS .881 with an insane .410 BABIP). Next in line is Jayson Nix with .805.
Bottom line: That team is terrible. They have nothing that even compares to our 3-4-5 hitters.

Counting even those who are injured, I would want 5 Indians -- at best -- on my club: Sizemore, Choo, Santana, Westbrook, Carmona. The rest is barely above replacement level, if at all.
The Nats should easily be 8 to 10 games ahead of them at the end of the season.

Posted by: amo36 | July 18, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gang-....I'm too dispirited to make any comments about the team....hey, dargreg:I'm listening to the post game radio-maybe I'll catch you again!
And...this is not about the team...but.....how can you have much to look forward to based on the way the Slows have operated thus far? I keep refraining from calling them "cheap" but....the fact is....I have as much confidence in their doing right by us (AND their players, etc.) as I do of Adam getting that elusive 2 out hit. (I'm hot, bitter and tired-so I don't wanna say more because I'm sure I'll be over the top and not very fair-just wish the org had the passion the Gang here does...)
Go Nats!!!

Posted by: zendo | July 18, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

23rd in payroll

23rd in MLB standings

22nd in attendance

Posted by: Kev29 | July 18, 2010 4:58 PM | ****************************
K29, if you don't mind a small edit, I'd amend this to:

23rd in player payroll

24th in manager / coach payroll

23rd in MLB standings

22nd in attendance

*******************************

Of course, I don't know that this the maanger / coach ranking is accurate, but it's certainly in the ballpark. Acta was tied for the lowest paid manager in 2007 / 2008.
Riggleman is getting a little more.
I'm sure the Nat's coaches are among the lowest paid (and therefore, the least in demand).

Posted by: Sunderland | July 18, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

markfromark: What? The Nats did not score at all. The point is if you can bunt runners into 2nd and 3rd with less than two outs there is a vary good chance you will score. This is basic except that the Nats refuse to play small ball at all. That is why and how you get 11 hits on Sat. night and don't score. That is how you get shut out today. The point is there was more than enough chances to score if you play smart baseball. You don't have to bunt all the time but while your team is struggling to score you are better off playing for the lone run.

Posted by: LAL15 | July 18, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Adam Kennedy -- why anybody would take a turn when it's a line drive right in front of you to RF. All you have to do is watch it go through and proceed to second. Like little league. Riggs needs to go, the whole team is playing like a bunch of pricks.

Posted by: Brue | July 18, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

BTW, it looked to me like Riggleman did order a sac bunt in the third, after Stammen singled and Nyjer dropped a very nice drag bunt to give us two on and nobody out.

Guzman made a half hearted effort on the first pitch and bunted foul. He took the next pitch for strike two, essentially taking away the bunt. He struck out (and did Dunn afterwards) and Willingham ended the inning with a groundout.

Posted by: Sunderland | July 18, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Matt Chico today home v Pawtucket, 7 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 3 K
His previous start, 8 days ago, virtually identical, but at Pawtucket.

Posted by: Sunderland | July 18, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Matt Chico? I'll pass; if i'm Rizzo package him with AK and Willie and see if you can get a few prospect's that your scout's think has down the road potential this could be the road trip that breaks this team's collective back to salvage the season they need to go 7-3 on this road trip and we know that ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: dargregmag | July 18, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

7-3?
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Now THAT is just too funny!!!!

Posted by: M20832 | July 19, 2010 7:16 AM | Report abuse

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